/biz/ - Business & Finance

IT'S GOING SUB 50% NIGGAS, SUB 50%

>>17920543
So we're still plus minus zero?

>Worst global pandemic of the century

>>17920684
As much as I dislike trump he really doesn't deserve the blame for this shit

>not realizing trump is a bear

>>17920684
>>17920701

Obama had swine flu

>>17920543
he's doing exactly what I voted him in to do: crash it all with no survivors

>>17920701

He can get blamed for the US' shitty initial response, spending days crying about how it's all a nothingburger the dems are trying g to use to make him look bad. I mean shit he was constantly saying the opposite of that health officials were suggesting and didn't want test kits out because he himself said he didn't want to see the numbers go up

>>17920701
No excuses!

>>17920701
He allowed - in fact pushed for - ridiculous monetary and fiscal policy which turned this economy rotten to the core. The markets were booming yet interesrs near zero, massive tax breaks, a trillion dollar deficit, etc. There's no tool left in the box. The market has been living paycheck to paycheck while profits got siphoned to private shareholders. Now the vast majority of companies instantly combust upon facing a few months of limited revenue. The pandemic is just revealing how fucked up the global economy was.

>>17920716
Yeah and the economy was already in the 9th circle of hell from the GFC, so it didn't really affect much.

>>17920701
You're a retard

>>17920746
lmao

>>17920746
fake tweet

>>17920543
>complaining about how an intelligent Businessman gamed a system and became president
>not complaining about the system in place that allowed it to happen

Cucks you will never be free

>orange clown is going down in history as a failure

YEAH THATS A BASED FROM ME LADS

>>17920543
>Be Trump
>Drive economy so hot that even after epic meltdown of the century it's only back where the last administration left it
Keep repeating this one, tranny.

>>17920997
>he thinks its over

>>17920701
I agree and disagree. No president could have weathered this storm. But at the same time, he actively made things worse. SO it might have not been as bad as it is now, but I guess we'll never know

I can't wait till drumpf is voted out of office. he is such a fucktard. If biden was in there things would be alright

>>17920746
Fake retard

>>17920716
>swine flu
A nothingburger FLU that isn't nearly as contagious and doesn't require such a large percentage of hospitalizations as COVID-19

>>17920701
its also still more than 1k up than when he won (Nov09), but slightly down on his inauguration date (Jan20), which is a bit sneaky. The Nov09 comparison would be fairer. Does he deserve the blame? Most of his pressers are greeted with a 5%+ drop. Trump's never a substantially serious crisis president - standing BS'ing and saying 'tremendous, tremendous' a lot, wears mighty thin.

>>17920543
yes.jpg

>>17920701
If he didn't suck himself off over the economy daily I don't think the general public would care as much.
But I think he was insecure that things were already trending up before he actually got into office and had to make a song and dance so people would think it was all his doing.
nigga just needed to chill and leave things alone

>>17920701
>As much as I dislike trump he really doesn't deserve the blame for this shit
https://apnews.com/438fae12f9204b1fbd8e8b1985ae554f
>2017s tax overhaul was trumpeted as a way to give companies more cash to invest to grow their businesses. But its timing coincided with signs that the global economy had begun to slow, an incentive for companies to instead give the cash back to investors.
>The practice has come under scrutiny by members of Congress, who criticized companies for using their extra tax benefits to boost the value of their own shares instead of investing in outside growth or their workers.

>>17921038
Yeah, going to be great with Uncle Joe at the helm. He'll grab Corona-chan and give her a good sniffin'.

>>17920701
>>disband the white house pandemic response team
>>ignore the virus despite it ravaging china since fucking November/December
>>called it a hoax two weeks ago
>>pumped the economy while it was doing well so there's no options when it turns
BASED FELLOW MAGAPEDES LETS GO BUY SOME REDDIT GOLD FOR R/THE_DONALD THE WALL GOT TEN FEET HIGHER AND MEXICO IS PAYING FOR IT

diaf

>>17921331
>But I think he was insecure that things were already trending up before he actually got into office
They were. Obama's economic initiatives didn't even go into effect until 2016

>>17920701
Nah Trumptards wanted to act like all of the positive momentum of the market was because of Trump, they can suck a dick and take the blame for it going the other way now, but they won't because they're the niggers of humanity with zero personal responsibility or integrity.

>>17921472
>disband the white house pandemic response team
Didn't actually happen, iirc.
>ignore the virus despite it ravaging china since fucking November/December
He shut down flights from China early, and everyone called him a racist for doing it.
>called it a hoax two weeks ago
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not baiting, just retarded. He called the MSM/ DNC characterisation of his response to the outbreak a hoax. Yet another "very fine people" moment from you fags.
>pumped the economy while it was doing well so there's no options when it turns
The economy was never doing well.
Rope yourself.

>>17920701
>people call the corporate tax cut dumb because the corps will just STOCKBUYBACK FREE MONEY
>He does the cut anyway
>Productivity doesn't budge, no new jobs are created because all the big companies STOCK BUYBACK FREE MONEY
>Now all of them have 0 cash and are dying
He certainly didn't help.

>>17921559
before corona:
>woohoo the economy is doing the best it's ever done! Trump 2020!!!
After Corona:
>the economy was never doing well, this was all obama's doing

>>17920814
>durrr you retart
>no argument
>doesn't know shit
kys

>>17921472
It doesn't matter how Trump reacted to it, symptoms can go unseen for fucking weeks before you know you have it. There were probably people spreading way before it was possible to know. A global pandemic has always been something that would happen, we just didn't know when. This is nature at play here. Arguably the worst thing Trump did was fuck up the pandemic response budget.

>>17921085
No it's not, read the title

>>17921516
No president could have stopped this but ok engage in politics over a natural disaster. The only one who should he blamed is the chinks for their shitty markets where they eat infected birds.

>>17920783
this, thank you for writing this

>>17921034
>No president could have weathered this storm.

This. At least, I assume, Trump can handle the pressure fairly well. He's not going to crack and have a breakdown in the oval office or some gay shit like that. Hilldawg would be literally shitting and screaming like that /pol/ meme. Thank fucking god we don't have a female president.

>>17921559
I also read the opinion piece by former trump supervisor Tim Morrison claiming he did not disband anything just consolidated Obama’s pandemic relief team. Who recently stepped down before testifying in the houses hearings, basically fired and trying to make up for his disloyalty.

>>17920783
>>17920951
How can a country be owned so hard?, this is just ridiculous mate.

Remember who shilled him all the way to the white house, and maybe, just maybe, this wont happen in the future ever again.

>>17921807
>before corona:
>woohoo the economy is doing the best it's ever done! Trump 2020!!

More like before the yield-curve inversion last year.

>>17922031
Yea trump never goes on emotionally driven off script rant venting about the economy. Or atleast if you don’t watch his conferences he doesn’t.

>>17922031
>He's not going to crack and have a breakdown in the oval office or some gay shit like that.

This is a joke right? Do you actually see Trump as a calm and reserved guy?

>>17920543

>literally better equipped than a power whore retard who hedged everything on Vagina and blue check mark retards that shill for nickles. Voting Trump again, keep seething and pay your fucking student loans we will be enacted debtors prison after this crisis because so many of you fucktards still want to drop 250k getting degrees in professional helplessness and victimhood.

>>17920543
>drumpf is responsible for the worst pandemic the world has seen in a hundred years
Okay groomer

>>17920716

Cant tank the economy when it's already in the gutter.

>>17922096
>Do you actually see Trump as a calm and reserved guy?

He seemed fairly reserved when he turned his debate opponents into blubbering retards with just a few words

>>17922127
Then why is every other market doing fine while the US economy crashes?

>>17921559
longest bull market in history
>The economy was never doing well
kek

>>17922187
what markets are doing fine right now.

>>17922187

..... what?

>>17920701
He deserves blame for helping to fuel the bubble, tying his entire presidency to the stawk market, and until things were too late downplayed the virus because it would hurt says stawks. He's a conman and a faggot but at least hes smarter than most of his supporters though.

>>17922187

Because US stocks are overvalued trash erected on fake money.

>>17922187
You're such a disgustingly dumb nigger. Every market is doing horrendously and you deserve to die.

>>17920543
>be tired of corrupt politicians
>vote in a shit-talking businessman known for his swindles
That's what you get.

>>17920543
>Literally all the world is facing a new crisis

MUH DRUMPPFFFFF ECONOMY!!!

>>17922310
>>17922301
>>17922271
>>17922266
B-B-BUT MUH TRUMP RUINED THE ECONOMY

Sorry I just had to do a lil trollin to get these fucking commies to realize how retarded they are

>>17922271
>Cayman Islands green

>>17922222
The economy WAS doing well. His playing chicken with China over trade was working (if nerve wracking), jobs were up, and the GDP ticking right along. Mostly because Trump wasn't fucking with business with regulations and bullshit like Obama and the Dems love to do. But Orange Man Bad, right? You're part of the problem that led to where we are right now.

But it's pointless to even argue it anymore. Damage is done. All we can do is pick up the pieces, if there are any, when it's over.

>>17922078
Americans, for all of their talk of freedom, are the perfect slaves. This kind of thing was inevitable once their ruling class plummeted in competence.

>>17920543
I'm sorry, but did the economy already collapse? Oh, that's right. The decision hasn't even been made yet. In fact, it's only midweek. Does not 20% unemployment count as a collapse? Is that what you're saying? Because if you're saying that I can assure you that you're wrong. Why would you make this topic when the market is still open? The traders are in NYC right now and they have been the best stock market people for how long now? They're fighting one of the worst virii of all time and they're feeding off the lack of support from the Mainstream media. But you know what? They're still fucking trading. America is one of the best fucking nations on earth, we dropped 2 more and would have dropped 2 more if Japan hadn't surrendered. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when the Dow hits 30k and someone bumps this topic. Oh look at that, the Fed just pumped 2 trillion dollars into the economy and cut us all a check. Are you a fucking drunk? Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I'm fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you're the only guy making all these anti-Dow topics because you're a faggot hater who doesn't like America because its free. Fuck you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to trun the Fed, like I give a fuck. It's so easy to spot out your threads now, you're a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don't you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That's just you, you're always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.

>>17922711
cope

>>17921366
I will actually kill myself if Grandpa Joe gets in

>>17920543
Trump went bankrupt 6 times in his life. I guess this makes the 7th.

>>17922800
Then buy a rope. Because unless Trump can somehow spin his ineptitude or Sanders somehow wins. He's going to be the next president.

>>17922345
>these fucking commies
>Thinking Trump is a retard who shouldn't have tied his presidential success to the stock market = commie

Wew

>>17920783
Interest rates were 0% under Obama, not under Trump (until just now).

>>17922711
I hate this goddamn website so much

>>17922711
Nice pasta, I'll be taking that.

>>17922841
Do you see any Trump supporters voting for a senile nigger like Biden? No one has been watching primaries. No one cares. Trump will run laps around him in the debates when everyone is watching. Biden will be muttering and stuttering while Trump is washing his hands with him. I'm not that wild about Trump but an incumbent in a crisis won't lose no matter how retarded he is.

>>17922972
>an incumbent in a crisis

That depends on if the population decides to put the blame on him or not, and their confidence in him being able to steer them out of the crisis

>>17922972
I would agree. But like the other anon said, this crisis might end up ruining him in the next election if he can't spin or contain it.

>>17921910
>No its not
eh, whatsnot?
Trump won THE ELECTION on November 9th, 2016 - Dow 18,589
He was INAUGURATED as Pres. on January 20th 2017 - Dow 19,804
Close today - Dow 19,898

Allibesayin, it be fairer to use the November 9th election date close as Trumps starting price, rather than the inauguration date, which is what the media is doing here, to fabricate 'all Trumps gainz wiped' headlines. But it was/is still Trump who made this his keystone Presidential stat, which looks like a dumb idea now.
tldr, he's actually still got 1,000 or so headroom imo (discounting inflation) - he's good, least till tomorrow

>>17921516
Well actually youre a moron. Trump can take credit for the Stock market rise from corporate tax cuts. We would have crashed after 2016, but we had a bullrun instead because of his cuts. It doesnt matter if you like or hate him these are the facts. and the decline in the current market has nothing to do with him

How the fuck is Coronavirus crash Trump's fault?

>>17920701
Of course. Everyone with above room temp IQ knows it'll shoot back up the moment Coronavirus pandemic is over.

>>17921516
But...I thought it was obamas economy?

>>17921516
So you're just salty Trump took credit for his economy, and want him to take credit for Coronavirus tanking the WORLD's economy.

The absolute state of TDS sufferers.

>>17923045
The coronavirus itself obviously isn't his fault, the piss-poor late response is. Just a week ago the guy was saying he didn't want testing being done because it would make the numbers go up. He's called the freakout about this a democratic hoax meant to make him look bad, which interestingly isn't the case now that things are starting to really go in terms of cases and he has to take it seriously. Given he's in charge of everything people in other departments obviously were walking on eggshells because they couldn't go against the man in charge

>>17920543
Israel has no right to exist

>>17922658
Jokes on you, burguers will blame everyone but themselves for all of this, as always.

Perfect slaves indeed...

>>17923223
Possibly. I guess we'll just have to see. Either way, I expect America to fuck up in a massive way.

>>17923167
>Just a week ago the guy was saying he didn't want testing being done because it would make the numbers go up.

And he was right. Its nothing more than common flu and the media drummed up panic. Meanwhile, when Trump closed the fucking borders to China to initially contain the spread, DNC shouted racism. Heck Biden is still saying closing borders is racist. DNC is too high on its own bullshit to matter anymore, sorry.

>>17923221
True.

>>17923257
>And he was right. Its nothing more than common flu and the media drummed up panic.

Is that why my hospital is worried about not having enough ventilators to take care of high-risk patients heavily affected by an infection of this 'common flu'?

>>17923257
>Its nothing more than common flu and the media drummed up panic.
This is part of the problem. He downplayed it initially and now all his braindead followers are ignoring his recommendations to self-isolate.

>>17920543

Yup, those weird business decisions he's been making the past couple of months have really tanked the market. I hope he reverses all the business decisions he's made soon.

You fucking faggot.

>>17923299
>>17923301
>56,000 people die from common flu in a single year

Not a problem. Shit happens.

>2000 people die from corona

Stop the country! Biggest pandemic in human history!

Media, DNC will end up looking like losers in the end and hyping this to be more than its worth. That's a guarantee. Good shit on Trump for playing it down and telling people to be calm.

>>17923458

Why are you comparing whole year flu deaths to deaths of something that's currently going on, where experts expect we won't even hit peak cases for another month or two?

>>17923458
What the fuck is it with Trump voters and their complete refusal to listen to people who actually know what they are talking about?

>Climate change is going to kill a lot of people.
>FAKE NEWS!
>Corona is going to be a massive medical disaster.
>FAKE NEWS!
>These economic policies are going to create a bubble that will eventually implode.
>FAKE NEWS!

If somebody could explain to me where the fuck this misguided confidence comes from, then please tell me. I want some of that.

>>17923004
>That depends on if the population decides to put the blame on him or not
They aren't, outside of a few echo chambers. Even the media isn't being that hard on him anymore.

>>17923513
>>Climate change is going to kill a lot of people.

lol. Climate is always changing, what's funny is libs only solution to stop it is close the economy of red states. Definitely genuine.

>>Corona is going to be a massive medical disaster.

Death numbers will be more or less equal to common flu. Wanna bet?

>These economic policies are going to create a bubble that will eventually implode.

What? The US economy itself is built on a bubble. Obama was in it just like Trump. All Trump is doing different is not letting other country's get away with trade imbalances, or letting EU get away from paying NATO dues.

When DNC politicians sprout shit like "Manufacturing can never go back, you need a magic wand, you have to outsource to China", people like Trump are undoubtedly going to be in power.

You do this to yourselves trannies.

>>17923602
>Climate is always changing
And somehow, climatologists know why its changing better than you

>>17923640
Yeah that's why they were saying in the 80s that all countries will be underwater today unless we closed down all coal mines in red states. On that note, why don't you call it "global warming" anymore?

>>17923602
>Death numbers will be more or less equal to common flu. Wanna bet?

If death numbers are equal to the common flu with us now taking all these precautions as a nation then it's not exactly proving you right there famalam

>>17921648
Expect jobs were created, and what happens to the money after the stock is bought. Do you think it disappears?

>>17923692
Neither does moving goalposts like you're doing.

Plus I'd even wager deaths would be more or less equal to influenza even without these over precautions to socially isolate.

>>17923167
He called the Dems blaming him for the virus a dem hoax.

>>17923747
>moving goalposts

I'm simply stating why your argument that similar numbers proves you right is wrong. I don't expect similar death numbers myself at all

>>17922187
>Then why is every other market doing fine while the US economy crashes?
Shit/10 bait

>>17923602
>Still denying the word of experts.
Again, where the fuck does this confidence comes from? And how are you still going to be able to keep this up after every single thing goes exactly as the people that actually knows what they are talking about predicted?

Didn't know there were so many Keynesian faggots on biz.

>>17923692
So that infects everyone at different times, in waves if you will. The unique respiratory element to this severe cold requires some actual medical intervention in severe case (small minority of cases), and though people's outcomes with that intervention are statistically very favorable, if everyone effected severely needs intervention at once, there won't be enough icu beds to go around.

Solution: social isolation to slow the burn and let people get infected in controlled waves.

We're all going to get this. It's going to happen. The experts have done the math and the best outcome is everyone getting over a prolonged period versus all at once.

>>17923866
Check my dubs, niggas.

>>17920701
He had quite awhile to prepare for it and he essentially went "it's just a flu".

>>17923766
If you're expecting and an actual pandamonium, you should turn off CNN and travel the world a bit more.

>>17923791
>Again, where the fuck does this confidence comes from?

Knowing you're lead by retards and lobbyists and bought out scientists like James Hansen and Wally Broeker. Besides, when you start off your policies with "Close the lifeblood of red states or we'll be underwater" it obviously reeks of bullshit.

Wasn't global warming in the 80s predicting we'd all be under water by now? What happened to Al Gore's predictions?

>>17923866
>We're all going to get this. It's going to happen. The experts have done the math and the best outcome is everyone getting over a prolonged period versus all at once.

Completely accurate, issue is that even if we successfully flatten the curve there's still a question on if we'll have enough ventilators to go around for all that require them

And dubs check'd

>>17923074
Trump literally signed a chart of the stock market going back up last week because he wanted everyone to give him personal credit and said Obama needed to be impeached pretty much whenever the market crashed.

The logic being applied here is literally Trump's own. /pol/niggers have unironically reduced themselves to the level of true TDS sufferers with their own Anti-TDS.

>>17923951
>Knowing you're lead by retards and lobbyists and bought out scientists like James Hansen and Wally Broeker.
I don't even know who that are.

>Besides, when you start off your policies with "Close the lifeblood of red states or we'll be underwater" it obviously reeks of bullshit.
1: Not every red state is based around environmentally damaging industry or farming. 2: I'm sorry, but the lives of major urban populations around the globe is more important than a comparatively tiny group of people keeping a job that is basically already obsolete. 3: So, what, if the argument was that blue states need to close their lifeblood you would be fine with it? 4: Again, you are still denying the word of experts.

>Wasn't global warming in the 80s predicting we'd all be under water by now?
It didn't.

>>17923951
>everyone is a fucking liar but ourselves, fuck the libs yo

Zip it, this is no time for conspiracy bullshit

>>17920701
Obama had a worse flu to deal with and people didn't panic or flip their shit cause they expected some normalcy with him. With Trump, every single gaff (ban on European trade goods) or utterance of his quasi-conspiracy shit (it's a hoax, Chinese flu), people get antsy.

Not to mention he literally thought it was a good business decisions to dismantle the safeguards Obama set up AFTER he had to deal with his viruses

>>17923602
>lol. Climate is always changing
Litmus test for CC autism right here no one is arguing that the climate doesn't change people say human industrialization contributes massively to these negatives processes

>Death numbers will be more or less equal to common flu. Wanna bet?
This is such a dumb equivalency claiming that the flu kills more is in no way an attack on the argument that the US should deal with corona the metric for how bad a virus is isn't always the rate of death

> Obama was in it just like Trump. All Trump is doing different is not letting other country's get away with trade imbalances, or letting EU get away from paying NATO dues.
I mean your only point here that is more or less correct is that he's harder on EU countries but everything else is just a random comparison to obama and how everything is a bubble which on its own is a super odd statement

>>17924074
>Obama had a worse flu to deal with
this will age well

>>17923458
Even Trump is admitting that it's a big deal now. What outdated source are you even getting your commands from?

>>17923962
Well, hopefully if this virus infection spreads gradually enough, the patient to bed ratio will be manageable with the existing infrastructure.

My fingers are crossed. I'm not a doomer, and I honestly don't want to see anyone suffer, even the boomers. They'll suffer enough in the afterlife, if there is one.

>>17924065
>I don't even know who that are.

Libs don't know the founders of Global Warming pandemic? Yeah the media doesn't talk about them anymore because of how wrong they were. But now you know, they were the NASA scientists and Greta Thunberg's of 80s.

>I'm sorry, but the lives of major urban populations around the globe is more important than a comparatively tiny group of people keeping a job that is basically already obsolete.

Planting more trees, developing softer transitions to renewables would be a lot more preferred than telling people in red states they should all die because people in cities are more important.

Good reason why you're losing so hard in national politics too. Idiots. Oh and what exactly are China, India doing to curb C02?

>>17924065
>It didn't.
Rewriting history won't help you.

>>17924154
Don't worry. The eternal void of nothing that awaits us after death is far scarier than a afterlife.

>>17924122
>Even Trump is admitting that it's a big deal now.

Not really, he said it'll be over in a few months and he's right. He's still telling people to be calm. He said it today.

>>17924181
>Libs don't know the founders of Global Warming pandemic?
I'm not a lib, but alright.

> But now you know, they were the NASA scientists and Greta Thunberg's of 80s.
So... they were a group of people and a child?

>Planting more trees, developing softer transitions to renewables would be a lot more preferred than telling people in red states they should all die because people in cities are more important.
I more or less agree. But eventually those industries will have to disappear, red or blue state. What matters is that it handled well.

>Rewriting history won't help you.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?

>>17924220
>I'm not a lib
Well progressives are becoming an outdated and toxic ideology.

>So... they were a group of people and a child?
They were the equivalent of the so called scientists you roll out for your political agendas today.

>>17924220
>I more or less agree.
Then you should be with Trump.

> But eventually those industries will have to disappear, red or blue state. What matters is that it handled well.
Forcing the mines to shut down and forcing people into reneweables when it hasn't reach the efficiencies of fossil fules is DEFINITELY not handling it well. I can tell you that.

>>17924220
>Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I'd have to google. Meanwhile how true was Al Gore's predictions.

>>17924293
>They were the equivalent of the so called scientists you roll out for your political agendas today.
Were they? Again, I never even heard of them. Nonetheless, most experts used by most people to make a case still know more about climate change and global warning than you or Trump.

>Then you should be with Trump.
No. Because he's a buffoon with dementia.

>Forcing the mines to shut down and forcing people into reneweables when it hasn't reach the efficiencies of fossil fules is DEFINITELY not handling it well.
Most of the mines were already shutting down. Moving the people there to jobs involving renewable energy is way better than just leaving them with nothing.

>I'd have to google.
Then do that.

>>17920543
You didn’t really think a boomer with so much fake tan would preserve your wealth anon
You didn’t think a boomer eith a fake hair piece would preserve your wealth anon
You didn’t think a boomer surrounded by (((them))) would preserve your wealth anon
You didn’t think an insecure boomer who pretends to be macho would preserve your wealth anon
Did you anon?

>>17923458
>>17923602
nice reddit spacing, I too am 12 years old and just came from r/the_donald

>>17920543
American business is shit

>ill run this country like a business
aka ill engage in reckless deficit spending, go insolvent and require a bailout every 10 years

>>17924200
"This is fine"

>>17924430
>Were they?
Yep.

>No. Because he's a buffoon with dementia.
Who ran circles around all of dnc and msm.

>Most of the mines were already shutting down.
Clearly not all of them. Just don't try to forcibly shut them down, its not good politics, its not good for the people of your own country. Go invest in

>Then do that.
I'm afraid my googling skills have suddenly become as lackluster as your inability to recall how well Gore's predictions have come.

>>17920543
>"fuck the coastal elites!"
>elect a celebrity from new york

>>17924555
>Go invest in
in reneweables*

>>17924555
>Who ran circles around all of dnc and msm.
Which says more about them than Trump.

>Clearly not all of them. Just don't try to forcibly shut them down, its not good politics, its not good for the people of your own country.
Again, they are going to have to be shut down eventually. The real problem is that the people need help afterwards. If the right people end up paying, then everything should be fine.

>Go invest in
In what?

>I'm afraid my googling skills have suddenly become as lackluster as your inability to recall how well Gore's predictions have come.
I don't know what Al Gore's predictions were.

>>17924569
Investing doesn't matter unless you then also force them upon the population and businesses.

>tumpcucks on every board playing damage control for their shitty choice

>>17924200
>Nobody’s ever been swamped like this, and nothing’s been so contagious. The level of contagion has been incredible, actually. Nobody’s seen anything quite like this.
https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hAYN4_kjRxDBT3DYp0sEOrPvm7wBScVOiA-KbyTEISer8PG42385crRQir2-6NsjvUtsyaGtLNWrdPbZm3p3nFUAouc?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&ts=3204.55

You retards can't even stay internally consistent with your own narrative. If it wasn't a big deal then why are we wasting 1+ trillion dollars on a stimulus?

>>17924567
>Hillary
>Trump
>De Blasio
>Bloomberg

We need to pass a constitutional amendment banning people who have ever lived in the state of New York from running for president.

>>17924625
>Which says more about them than Trump.
lol..i guess you can say that.

>I don't know what Al Gore's predictions were.
Polar caps would melt and basically we'd be underwater in 2020 unless he was elected. I'm pretty sure he quoted climate change scientists of the time.

>force them
No. If renewable tech reaches a point where its more cheaper/efficient than fossil fuels, it'll attract businesses and interest on its own. Its not there yet, so forcing it is supremely retarded.

>>17924661
Good, you should be happy then. He also said it'll be over in a few months and STAY CALM.

>>17924654
Printer goes BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRap

>>17920716
swine flu didn't shut down the entire planet for a extended period of time

>>17924741
>Polar caps would melt and basically we'd be underwater in 2020 unless he was elected.
Evidence?

>No. If renewable tech reaches a point where its more cheaper/efficient than fossil fuels
Anon, get this through your head, it's never going to reach the point where it's going to be cheaper than fossil fuel. But that is not a excuse to keep using fossil fuel when it's going to end up killing us all. Profit is not a good reason to do anything, nor is it a effective driving force to make sure the right decisions are made.

>>17924741
I'm not personally worried about it, I'm a bear. The point is, Trump followers who are downplaying the virus as "nothing more than common flu" are only exacerbating the issue. But by all means, go out and socialize with your friends and family, my puts thank you for it.

>>17924800
I found a website which should be your homepage bro.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

>>17924800
>Anon, get this through your head, it's never going to reach the point where it's going to be cheaper than fossil fuel.

Then it cannot fully replace fossil fuels. Get it through your head.

>>17924838
That'll happen on its own as people become sick of staying in their rooms and tolerating a few days of coughing will be more tolerable than locking yourself to eternity. If you're miss out on this dip though then I don't know what to tell you.

>>17921366
Grandpa joe can’t remember where he is or what he’s doing half the time. He’s guaranteed to Literally take a shit on the debate stage.

>>17924951
1: This is literally a right wing propaganda website. 2: A lot of the articles feature predictions that either came true, have yet to come true, or don't mention a time period. 3: Again, this is literally right wing propaganda with un-sourced counterarguments.

>Then it cannot fully replace fossil fuels. Get it through your head.
So, everybody is going to die for the sake of a few angry Midwestern farmers.

No, thank you. If the need arrives, those mines will be closed down. The only difference being if it's going to happen with compensation before the disaster, or with a gun barrel after the disaster.

Love the retards saying "he can't be blamed for the flu"

The flu might have been the needle that popped this bubble, but come on. The #1 fasted crash in history?

The economy wasn't even strong before, 2% GDP growth, real prices going up 10%...

The flu was a reality check to stock us back to reality but we would have been in this shit in 6-12 months anyway.

>>17920543
Time for
A U S T E R I T Y
first program to be cut: Medicare :)

>>17925140
>Again, this is literally right wing propaganda with un-sourced counterarguments.

They literally post the images right from your beloved so called credible newspapers.

Are you saying they were all fake news lmao

>So, everybody is going to die for the sake of a few angry Midwestern farmers.

That attitude won't help you. Insulting the people feeding this country isn't smart thing to do. Have some respect. And coal mines aren't going to kill the world, no matter how much your asswipe newspapers bark that nonsense.

Go plant a tree. You'll do much improvement to the environment then tellling red states to die.

Look. I am a Christian conservative. Trump has issues. Really, he does. But at the end of the day HIS policies support Christian living and our national culture FAR MORE then a socialist or any other bizzaro person supporting transgenderism, homosexuality, abortion, extreme political correctness, etc. I voted Trump for a reason, because the left has declared war on the Christian establishment and culture in this country, which is the work of the devil, and is not to be confused with oh muh progress. Thanks.

>>17925371
>They literally post the images right from your beloved so called credible newspapers.
Like I said, a lot of them are misrepresented. Some predictions were wrong.

>That attitude won't help you.
When shit goes down it absolutely will. Again, it's not a question of if those mines are going to be shut down. It's when and how.

>And coal mines aren't going to kill the world, no matter how much your asswipe newspapers bark that nonsense.
It will help kill the world. And will have to be dealt with accordingly.

>You'll do much improvement to the environment then tellling red states to die.
Red States won't die just because one source of income vanishes. Don't be stupid.

>>17920701
wew the replies on this
sure is shareblue in here

>>17923033
>it be fairer to use the November 9th election date close as Trumps starting price
cope
If it crashed to 9000 from that date til before he got elected, would he get the blame? If a war broke out in December, would he be responsible?
Keep moving your goalposts buddy.

>>17925414
>Imagine thinking social values you dislike are the work of a fictional fallen angel.
Look, I know roleplaying as a D&D cleric can be fun. But /tg/ is that way.

>>17925452
>Some predictions were wrong.
Like? Post em.

>When shit goes down it absolutely will.
No it won't. That attitude will never help you.

>It will help kill the world.
Forcibly shutting the mines and forcing renewables will kill far more through unemployment and just plain shitty energy.

>And will have to be dealt with accordingly.
LOL what are you gonna do? Rally with antifa? hahaha

>Red States won't die just because one source of income vanishes.
Main source with millions of people's livelihood dependent on the industry.

>>17920701
>He said we shouldn’t let the death princess dock in SF Bay because it would increase the official count of cases in the USA
He’s actually retarded. When times are good he’s funny, when they’re bad he’s scarily stupid

>>17925501


You'll say that until you're dead, but when you die, you will see for yourself. Please repent, for your own sake.

>>17920543
>all of its gains
So they're finally admitting trump made substantial gains?

>>17920701
If he didn't want to be blamed for the stock market's failure he shouldn't have taken credit for its success

>>17925532
>Like?
A few of them have dates that did not end up being accurate.

>No it won't.
Why not? Being able to make tough choices is very important.

>Forcibly shutting the mines and forcing renewables will kill far more through unemployment and just plain shitty energy.
No, it will not. People aren't going to die due to fucking unemployment anyway, even in a shithole like America.

>LOL what are you gonna do?
Forcefully shut down the mines once climate issues become too big to ignore.

>Main source with millions of people's livelihood dependent on the industry.
Then find a new industry for those people. I don't think those people should be thrown to the sharks, but the current situation is unsustainable.

>>17925623
>TDS-DS

>>17925574
When i'm dead, I won't be saying anything. Because, you know, i'll be dead.

Like, the bible is a book written by humans. This is a historical fact. To assume the words described within it are the word of a higher deity is insane. Only slightly less insane than pretending Star Wars or Lord of the Rings is divine text.

>>17920736

>have enough wealth have a computer and internet
>thinking that crashing it all is to your advantage

>>17925532
>Main source with millions of people's livelihood dependent on the industry.
>The argument for keeping a bad industry is because people will be unemployed when it goes away even if it's a net negative on society

Insurance companies fall under the same shit and I can't wait for the inevitable future where they disappear. You won't find anyone in healthcare who likes those bastards

>>1792573

The new testament is full of eye witness accounts of the supernatural, you will be told this is a lie, like you believe. You have been deceived. Whether you take that seriously or not is your choice, not mine. Seriously, choose wisely.

>>17925841
People used to believe natural phenomenon were supernatural all the time. Even creatures like Fairies, Succubi, Kappa, and Centaurs have their roots in material natural phenomenon.

>>17925907

You can choose not to believe, that's your choice. But still, can you explain how we have such solid morals that pervade all cultures and religions? Everyone on Earth has rules that are pretty consistent across continents. These rules are from a guiding force, they must be, as by natural selection and evolution they really have no reason to exist. Oh gosh, here comes "muh society needs morals to function well."

>>17920543

Unification fixes this.

www.unification.com

>>17920543
I don't know about you guys, maybe i'm just not exposed to the real economy but i'm fucking comfy with my SUTER rewards.

>>17926034
>But still, can you explain how we have such solid morals that pervade all cultures and religions?
What consistent morals? Morality changes on a whim. Two thousand years ago it was seen as perfectly acceptable to mass slaughter barbarians, having your dick sucked by a man was the height of masculinity, and celibacy was treated as abnormal and weird. And that's just in western society. You also have cultures like the Aztecs or Norse that practiced human sacrifice.

Like, morals really aren't all that different from the evolution you so despise. It's natural selection, essentially. Countries with poor morals are destroyed, while countries with good morals prosper and spread their memes. To pretend a divine will is responsible, or even that morals are remotely consistent across humanity, is to show a hilarious lack of knowledge regarding history.

Just buy ARPA and stake on binance.

> Global stock lose all its gain since Trump took office
And yea Trump and NATO must nuke China and sue the fucking chinks

>>17920783
He's crashing the global economy with no survivors, getting caught in a depression was part of his plan. It is about to get extremely painful... for you.

>>17926340


Hmmm....let's think here. Yes there are variations, I am not denying that. But what about morals in terms of rules on thievery? It is not allowed in most cultures, besides some. Murder? Not allowed unless mandated by the state. Fairness in trade? What is fair? That is the point I am making. Fairness, and other morals, are a divine mandate by God, whether we discovered that once we became sentient, perhaps through evolution which I admit may be true, or whether we were created. Morals that are not so obvious like celibacy would not be part of our culture unless Christianity intervened, as our natural state is barbarism.

>>17920701
>drain the swamp
except he didn't, he hasn't and he won't

>>17920716
Obama and EU indeed had a closer relationship with China. So now the fucking chinks could gave us virus way faster than past

>>17920701
Yeah, but he Tweeted a self congratulations over the "biggest point gain in history," Friday and sent a signed print out of the Dow that day to Fox News so fuck him for being retarded.

Also, this isn't all WuFlu, it's a giant corporate debt bubble he helped create by harassing the Fed to keep rate low and the lower them more.

Plus the CDC testing faliure and him refusing to take any responsibility or his reassurance speech where he managed to get multiple things wrong in a prepared address, which crashed the market again.

>>17920701
yeah, he doesn't
but if you take the credit you get the blame, and he didn't do jack shit to fix any of the financial and economic disaster obama left, he simply threw more shit at the failing economy and begged the fed to pump more money instead of normalizing shit
He did everything he could had done to prevent, or at least ameliorate, this in the worst ways possible

It's funny how all of the sudden we went from everything being Trump's responsibility to nothing being Trump's responsibility, he's just a little poor old man who can't control anything, it's not his fault! But when times are good everything is good because of Trump not in spite of him.

>>17926803
This is a lovely attempt at inverting the truth.

>>17926914
seethe and cope trumpfag. Another republiturd president is going to oversee another economic depression. And you retards will vote for this orange fuck again.

>>17922889
The economy recovered, interest rates should have went up under Trump. They didn't because he's stupid and bitched about the fed any time there was a rate hike. So now we're staring down a recession with literally no bullets in the gun.

>>17922972
What's one senile nigger over another?

>>17926803
He's responsible for inflating the bubble and then popping it.

>>17923167
>>17926661
>>17926803
It really amazes me how evil Trump haters are. You deserve to be tortured at this point for your disingenuous lies.

Even saying Trump response to the virus is bad is objectively false. Italy and Sweden are bad responses, your so called highly valued social democracy healthcare did it.

>>17927371
It really amazes me how evil Trumpers are. You'd god emperor can never do anything wrong and you want to suck him off at every turn. You deserve the coming rope.

>>17921082
I work in an ER and literally had an otherwise healthy 9 year die about 3 weeks back due to confirmed H1N1, faggot.

>>17925452
Small communities have monomaniacal economies. Cities have to get really big before you actually start to see diversified industries, before that everybody lives or dies on the town's one thing.My hometown, it was tourism. If the ski hills and the hot springs somehow vanished the entire town would collapse. In appalachia, it's usually coal.

>>17920543
LOL, the entire economy of the world is tanking and this mother fucker thinks Trump can do something about it...
LOL, every single leader of the entire world is struggling and this mother fucker focuses on only Trump.

Kill yourself. You're too stupid to procreate.

>>17920543
Should've elected a doctor president.

>>17927917
Dr Ben Carson

>>17927371
I really don't know where you clowns come from, but you really need to evaluate your choice in political rulership.

>Economy is on an upward turn after the Obama administration de-fucked it from the 2008 nightmare that Bush left it in? All thanks to Trump! God Bless America!
>Economy is tanking in the middle of said upwards trend because of extremely thoughtless and hasty political maneuvers? Well nobody could have predicted this, and it's absolutely not at all related to our present president. It could have happened to anybody!

>>17927496
>I watched one person die
>this is the same thing as a global pandemic that is on par to infect tens to hundreds of millions.

>>17922187
coronavirus + US economy crashing are dragging the rest with them

>>17928248
>It could have happened to anybody!

This, but unironically.

>>17925414
>Christian living
>literally do everything the synagogue of satan wants
fuck off kike false flagger

>>17920543
>buisinessman

>>17928525
>manbuisiness

NOOOOOO DRUMPY CREATED THE VIRUS HIMSELF AND PINNED IT ON CHINA

>>17928608
based goddd emperorrr can do no wronggg it's all the liberrrulssssss noooooot the trumperinooo emperrorrrrrr

>>17928664
lol

>>17920543
It's going to sink to pre-Obama levels.

>>17920701
He can be blamed for inflating the economy to the point that the momentum of the oncoming recession is going to hit way worse and stick around for longer
Why the fuck does this shit keep happening, why can’t these fucks in the whitehouse ever just grow with stability
THis shit has been every president since Reagan, hell since JFK

>>17925462
>N-NOOOO
>DONT MAKE FUN OF MY INCOMPETENT PRESIDENT, HES DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST 5 CHUCKLEFUCKS

>>17929053
only every republican president :)

>>17920742
HAHAHAHAH nice script faggot better stick to it, it’s dangerous to go off the script for NPCs

>>17920814
Cope.

>>17929142
What about Clinton? What are you saying about LBJ or Carter?

>>17929142
It happens under Democrat’s too, though not quite to the same level of recklessness but not enough to say it’s not irresponsible

>>17928664
IT'S 4D CHESS TO MAKE AMARACA GREET AGAIN.

CHINAH ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE JUST WAIT FOR THE FINAL CHESS MOVE TO BE ASSEMBLED FOLKS
-Q

>>17920543
this is going to be the worst economic downturn in nearly a century. perhaps worse.
let's hope that's the worst of our problems.

>>17929227
>the power of denial

>>17921038
Trump is an idiot but Biden is literally senile

>>17923030
Why contain it?

>>17931676
just wait for pedo HILLLDAWWWWGGGG to be Biden's VP, then Bien will die a few months after being elected

>>17927496
let me guess, the plural of anecdote is data, right?

>>17922187

Dumbass.

>>17920716
Swine flu was no worse than the common flu. It infected hundreds of millions, possibly over a billion, but only had an estimated kill rate of .01-.08%

>>17925414
>>>/x/ is over there, schizo.

>>17920701
He ignored medical institutions' preparation advice from 4 months ago, he spent weeks calling the virus a non-issue and a Democrat hoax, and took credit for the feds pumping to make the economy look stable while also giving corporations more tax cuts and bailouts.

>>17920701
He does he bullied powell into not normalizing rates pumping the stock market to absurd levels , then called nothingburger to corona for months.

Even awooos shills attacked other anons saying this was a nothingburger for the last 60 days.
Anyone with a brain could see that a disease with 3x the r0 of spanish flu and 5% of mortality rate(with hospitalization), was going to be a massive disaster.

Instead he kept worrying about the stock market rather than containing this shit.
They even let go the infected cruiser passangers into california for fucks sake , it's almost as if they want it to spread.

And now instaed of fixing this shit he spent blaming china non stop.
I don't think burgers realize the magnitude of what's coming china contained it in one province , the us now has cases in all the states , if you think the last two weeks were bad for the stock market then prepare for the next two.

>>17931676
At least the communist is not running anymore but it's between 2 senile boomers that have been calling this a nothingburger , trump for the stock market and biden because muh containing it was racist.

The world is about to remember what bad days are and that we are not gods.

>>17920716
Swine flu was the slightly deadlier flu everyone thinks coronavirus is. .1-.2% mortality instead of .05-.1% like a regular flu season. And they had a vaccine ready within two months of it being identified

>>17922711

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>>17929174
Get a load of this guy

>>17927371
>It amazes me how evil Trump haters are
>You deserve to be tortured
Fucking kek. Up there with "the Holocaust didn't happen but it was a good idea" in terms of /pol/ cognitive dissonance

>>17932596
>He does he bullied powell into not normalizing rates pumping the stock market to absurd levels
Powell never gave a fuck about Trump (at least not until recently) he craved to the stock market when it cratered back in oct 2018 after they slightly raised rates
>then called nothingburger to corona for months.
That's true, Trump played himself and fucked up everything he could about corona

>>17932738
Powell was actually doing the right thing , Trump attacked the wrong man, instead of attacking powell for trying to fix the mess of 2008 he should have attacked the ecb and other central banks that were devalaluating their currencies relative to the usd with no survivors.

>>17927371
The only three true /ptg/ Trump dick riders I know in real life are all marginally/unemployed constantly, two live with their parents at 30+, all are fat, and two haven't had a date in 6+ years.

Seems more an ideology of impotent rage and these are not the type of people who plan well.

It's fine when we don't talk politics, but if we do, talk about fucking brainwashed. Anyhow, you guys aren't remotely intimidating, it'd be like a beta rebellion.

>>17929227
>>17929193
>>17928608
>>17928389
No one is saying Trump created the virus or that other Presidents wouldn't be fucked by it. However, even leaving his response aside, he IS responsible for us entering this depression with $1+ trillion deficits that he ran DURING A GIANT EXPANSION. He is responsible for removing a Fed chair who wanted to normalize rates and stacking the Fed board with loyalists and then pressuring them to lower rates. There 2018 meltdown was over fucking 50 basis points. THAT is when he should have started a crisis team to unwind corporate debt.

But also the Corona virus response was shit as evidenced by multiple "it's just flu and it'll be gone soon," statements and tweets right up to last week, followed by him now claiming he knew it would be the worst pandemic in a century back in January and had taken the bestest, most tremendous, bigly action ever.

But like I said, it's not the response. It's the entire term spent creating a bubble that will make this many times worse

>>17926603
>But what about morals in terms of rules on thievery? It is not allowed in most cultures, besides some. Murder? Not allowed unless mandated by the state.
Again, any state without clear rules regarding murder and thievery is going to collapse on itself and be replaced by a state that did. It's simple natural selection applied to a state level.

>Morals that are not so obvious like celibacy would not be part of our culture
Celibacy, at least in western society, was the result of medieval politics trying to keep positions of religious importance outside of noble bloodlines. There is nothing divinely ordained about it, it was simple human caused politics.

>would not be part of our culture unless Christianity intervened, as our natural state is barbarism.
Buddhism also encouraged celibacy for monks. While China had a rich and civilized culture long before Christianity appeared. Again, even a mid examination pf human history will reveal that God had nothing to do with anything