/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17904896
What does this mean for SQQQ?

>>17904896
they can't keep getting away with this

>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO SHORT THE MARKET LINE ONLY GOES UP

>>17904896
Good idea desu. The last time short sellers speculated during an economic downturn it led to Hitler

>>17904896
JUST ORDER NUMBER GO UP
AGAIN

>>17905706
>The last time short sellers speculated during an economic downturn it led to Hitler
+

Besides, speculation is vile and shysters get what they have coming to them

short selling should be outlawed desu, it doesn't serve the markets any value to bet against companies

You can't get away with this

adddd more instruments

>>17905783

Shortsellers confirmed for BASED National Socialists.

>>17905891
Out of the rubble of post Corona America will rise the true 56% Hitlerino we've all been waiting for

Cope harder bullfags

>>17905706
Wtf i love short sellers now

boomers win again baby!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY SHORTERINOS!!!! HOW AM I GOING TO BET FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF SOCIETY!!!!

>>17905855
>>17904913
Only a minor setback. We will find way to short or we will make one

>>17904896
NOOOOOO YOU CANT STOP SELLERINOS

Lol. "Free market" my butt. It better not happen.

>>17904896
short selling is like buying fire insurance on my neighbors house...

you can't do that because you now have an interest in your neighbor's house being set on fire

how is short selling legal in the first place

>>17904896
Trumps administration breaks another finger on the invisible hand. Fuck this commie bullshit

>>17904896
NUMBER ONLY ALLOWED TO GO UP

>>17904914
You're still allowed to sell, anon.
You're just not allowed to sell other people's stocks, which is what shorting is.

>>17906362
You can use insurance on your own house too dude. How are you actually so simple minded. Is it even possible for you to understand things outside of black and white?

>>17906385
See >>17906387

Stop being this confused. Not a good look.

>>17906425
>let's change the rules now after a humongous drop
Cope and seethe more bullcuck

>>17906399
yeah but no one want's their own property to burn down, the insurance is only to cover a potential loss

insuring someone else's property means you want it to burn down

>>17905811
>company is overvalued and doesnt have a realistic stock value
>short seller puts in an order to better reflect its real value
>stock corrects to a more stable and honest valuation

>>17904896
Join the hidden /biz/ discord, discord gg xFuuSTZ

We got 600 members and are growing
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>>17904896
>they come back to shorting crypto
>pump it
>all bobos dead forever

why cant we short stock via crypto?

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR PUTS

>>17906502
and? i want it to fucking burn down, who the fuck cares? free capitalism, right?

with your retarded analogy, you are telling me everyone else is allowed to bet that someone else's property isn't burning down in the future and i am not allowed to bet on the opposite? shit, fuck freedom, fuck choices

>>17906551
Bitcoin is a stock now

>>17906362
how can a single anon get so incredibly based

>>17906554
no more puts
no more vix
only buying equities

Bobo banned from the playground for being too much of a fag. What a year.

>>17906557
wow and the capitalist shows their true color...

when we have political debates capitalism is heralded as the savior of humanity and the only way to create peace and wealth

now it's:
>i want it to fucking burn down
>who the fuck cares?
>I want to make a bet that everything burns to the ground

at least I know where you stand...

>>17906502
No, it means I am offering insurance contracts. Your mind is so warped that you actually think everyone is entirely self centered. Because of that you follown depravity. Think better.

>>17904896
> FREE MARKET LOL

>>17906648
really? what happens to already bought puts?

>>17906653
>t. Doesn't understand the foundational flaws and long term implications in our current system

Confirmed brainlet

>>17906667
probably immediately closed at their present positoon

>>17906653
capitalism isn't about money only, it's about choices, but stop using random analogies which make absolutely no sense in capitalism

you are fucking around stealing my freedom and by free will to choose whatever event and i outcome i'd like to

>>17906474
>why are you preventing people from selling other people's shit at a time when everyone wants to sell????
You're retarded.

>>17906657
If a person is potentially able to gain a lot of money by a certain event then they will try and act in a way that helps manifest it. Shorting the markets is all kinds of wrong, it literally fucks other people's lives up for cash money. People lose their jobs and such while you retards keep posting badly drawn images of bears, laugh and pee pee poo poo yourselves hoping for damage around you so that you can enjoy some material benefits. Literally zero benefit for society.

>>17906659
Shorting is selling other people's things.

>>17906653
>NOOOOOO
>YOU CANT BE A CAPITALIST AND MAKE MONEY IN DOWN TURN MARKETS
>IM A GIANT RETARD THATS NOT FAIR NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Cheers

>>17905811
but short squeezes are great, its just right now maybe a good idea to turn off for a little

>>17906775
>Shorting is selling other people's things.

That they are compensated for. Just like if I were to sublet an apartment, or if I go into any consignment shop in the world, etc. Everyone involved are consenting adults.

>>17906775
so ?
longing is also using fund you don't own, you didn't seems to have a problem with that when the market pumped for the past 10 years

Do short sellers even sell stock?
what exactly are they selling, and who's money is being taken if they are successful?

>>17906787
sorry for your loss, bobo

>>17906837
Short selling is borrowing someone else stock and selling it at that time. Example a stock worth 100 you borrow 100 of it to sell, you then buy it back at $80. You profit off the change.

>>17906787
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO ALLOW ME TO SELL OTHER PEOPLE'S STOCKS!!!!!!!

>>17906837
>>17906812
The point is the actual owners may want to sell those same stocks.

>>17906837
Me (short seller): dumps a 1000 units of ABC at $240, which i borrow from other clients of by brokerage
You (pink Wojak): panics and and places a market sell order, price dives to 238
Me: buys 1000 shares at 238, gaining $2000 minus some interest on the loaned shares

>>17906775
Be honest. Do you have an iq below 80?

>>17906765
Wrong wrong and wrong again. Humble yourself and listen. See the words I am writing to you. I offer insurance contracts because I knew the economy was going to tank. I did little to nothing to create this scenario.

Here's the deal, you only think that this is the case because you have failed to grasp anything outside of it. So because of that, it's fair to conclude, by your own thoughts, that you yourself only think in such a negative way and are actually part of the problem, even though you don't realize it. To ban short contracts is the same thing as banning insurance. You are on here moaning like the low T child you are, whilst people commit insurance fraud all the time, yet you're not moaning about that. So because you have been proved to judge the situation in an unethical and immoral manner, your own words have condemned you at this point.

You're bitter because you lack understanding, not because shorts are unethical (which they are not). If you call shorts unethical, you call insurance unethical, so you must either rid yourself and demand all others be rid of insurance in order to preserve your own integrity. Any deviation from that and you prove yourself to be a liar.

>>17906891
>shorting is NOT selling other people's things!
Be honest. Do you have an iq below 80?

>>17906867
>actual owners may want to sell those same stocks.

Who do you think sold me the opportunity to sell their stock? Fake owners?

>>17906867
>The point is the actual owners may want to sell those same stocks.
that's not how it works you dum fuck
the stock owner lend those shares willingly, nobody is forcing them to do it, and they do it because they get return on that lending

>>17905811
It does when your companies are worthless shit

>>17904896
>ny post
I'm not freaking out over this shitty tabloid's bullshit

>>17906911
If it was theirs then I wouldn't be able to sell it

>>17906950
>nobody is forcing them to do it
That's where you're wrong.
Now hand in the fucking stocks.

>>17906975
They've done it in Europe but I doubt the US will

>>17906950
>that's not how it works you dum fuck
Of course it does.
For the duration of the short, the stocks are not in the possession of the actual owner.

>>17906979
>If it was theirs then I wouldn't be able to sell it
lmao

>>17905706
Wtf I love short sellers now?

>>17904896
Short provide liquidity, you will have a flash crash if you ban shorting. That is the dumbest idea ever

>>17906901
>autism

Will i be able to long pms?

>>17907017
>For the duration of the short, the stocks are not in the possession of the actual owner.
>lmao

I refuse to believe you're actually this stupid. 3/10 bait. Should have been more suddle.

>>17907017
>For the duration of the short, the stocks are not in the possession of the actual owner.
BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO, YOU FUCKING RETARD
it's like you complaining someone is driving your car after they rented it from you

HOW FUCKING RETARDED ARE YOU HONESTLY ?

>>17905706
>speculative short selling will create the next Hitler
look like we've got our work cut out for us, boys.
short EVERYTHING!!!

>>17907092

He's baiting. Quit giving him (you)'s.

>>17907003
Yeah I saw yurope did it but I still think we'll be okay

>>17905706
BASED short sellers

>>17907085
Well that's literally how it works, soooooooo

>>17907092
>BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO
You don't get a message asking if you want to approve short sell x for x amount.
This is done through intermediaries like brokers and exchanges.
This shit is buried away in some general user agreement.

>>17906765
The market is fundamentally a pricing mechanism, distorting the market leads to misallocation and economic inefficiency. You probably think short selling was to blame for the housing bubble too, fucking smooth brain

>>17906926
but forcing laws for people to stop working and printing excess money will create a bull market!

>>17907120
you're so fucking right, here's your you

>>17907139
I want to preform analingus on Iori

>>17907166

I don't want a bull market. I've made 10x more money in the past 2 weeks of bear market than I've made in 2 years of "bull" market trading.

I hope the market tanks another 30% honestly.

>>17906901
If you would be right, most bobos here would do shorting to ensure that they don't lose money. That is not the case, they do it as an obvious and parasitic way to make money.To ensure your stack, you could buy puts, which is another thing altogether. If you sell short, you have to buy the amount back by the end of the day, which is nothing like insurance, it is either gambling, or even worse, using fear and panic to make money motivated by greed. In any other crimes, we always consider the original intention, which is in this case, nothing but malicious greed. Killing other people is illegal, I see no reason why taking their jobs and family's living is any different, especially if you made up your mind and planned for it beforehand.

>>17907139
Wow, just look at Europe's markets! What a shining beacon of green! Twas those dastardly short sellers after all!

>>17907283
If you actually cared about people's familys and jobs you'd personally go after the Federal Reserve, US government, and banks. Until then your niche bleeding heart doesn't count for anything. Short contracts are insurance contracts. If you really cared you'd also get rid of welfare. But here you are on a low level internet forum whining about a tiny spec in a sea of sand. Get real or go home.

>>17907201
a man of culture and taste

>>17906653
>Create huge bubbles
>Ban people from doing the only thing that can prevent those bubbles from forming
>Huge bubble eventually burst and ends up in a catastrophe

bUt cApITaLiSm cReATeS bUBbLeS aNd mArKeT cRaSheS

>>17907612
>Ban people from doing the only thing that can prevent those bubbles from forming
You can still sell you absolute brainlet.
You just can't gamble with other people's money doing it.

>>17906775
>what is derivatives

>>17907679
You're not gambling anyone's money, you're taking out a loan from someone willing to give it to you, absolute retard

>>17907840
You are literally gambling you turd.
You are placing a bet, and if you lose, your stake is liquidated.

Just fucking cope already with the short ban, it's mind-numbing watching you shortfags cry so much.

>>17907876
t. bull who lost a shitton of money out of pure ignorance

>>17906513
how about demand drops for its shares. No one buys for a while and it goes down. No short selling needed

>>17905811
>Only bets on red are allowed but if the ball lands on black you still lose goy
>the house always wins goy
Mostly because of retards like you

>>17906886
So what if ABC goes to 242, do you have to buy 1000 shares at 242, and then give them back to the brokerage?

>>17904896
So when do the normies realize this market is manipulated?

>>17908428
>quick, initiate personal attacks!

>>17907017
how can you condone taking a loan to start a business from a bank. it's other people's money and you're using it to make your own money. of course, they profit off of it and they agreed to lend it out, but obviously those things don't matter so borrowing money is immoral.

>>17905706
I'm going to short now

>>17906224
Nah at this point if this happens I suspect many more will leave the market causing a bigger crash lmao theyre literally doing it to themselves at this point.

>>17904896
You mean this isn't a free market and all of the gommunists that raid this board are fucking morons?
Wow, what a shock.

>>17908572
>selling other people's assets is the same as taking a loan to buy your own asset

>>17905706
Short sellers good now.

OP ARE YOU OK
OP ARE YOU OK
ARE YOU OK OP

>>17908525
Yes, it's a good way to lose lots of money

Lol this "ban shorting" meme again

>>17908613
Fiat isn't something magically separate from stocks or any other assets, in either case you borrow an asset from someone who agreed to lend out their assets, exchange it for another asset, exchange those assets for the original asset later at a profit, and give some of that profit to the person you borrowed from.

>>17904896

>3:16 PM
>Today

>>17904906
HNNGG
IM GONNA
SHOOOOOOORRRTTT

When the economy is functional, puts and short shells help rectify overvalued securities.
However, during a national emergency short selling and buying puts is no different than war profiteering, or selling hand sanitizer for $150 a bottle. You're not providing liquidity, insurance, or any of the other pedantic gymnastics scalpers tell themselves. No, you're just betting against the society that you reside in.

As usual, /biz/ absolutely HATES making money

>>17906175
>>17907022
>>17907112
>>17907144
>>17908582
>>17908619
Have sex incel

>>17908922
>No, you're just betting against the society that you reside in.
Our is society is filled with niggers, cucks and whores.
I've been betting against it for a while.