[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/biz/ - Business & Finance


View post   

File: 1.46 MB, 400x513, fed sayan money printing.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17888327 No.17888327 [Reply] [Original]

Why do we even pay taxes if the Fed can print out infinite amounts of money?

>> No.17888379

Shhhhhh no tears, only BRRRRRRRRRR now......

>> No.17888393

>>17888327
Neither The Federal Reserve nor The Internal Revenue Service are a part of the U.S. Government nor do they have the country's interests at heart.

>> No.17888413

>>17888393
DELET THIS

>> No.17888453

(((Fed)))

>> No.17888502
File: 43 KB, 960x960, 1562356824228.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17888502

>>17888393

>> No.17888503
File: 200 KB, 661x716, bitcoindiscussion.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17888503

>>17888393

>> No.17888536

>>17888393
>Neither The Federal Reserve nor The Internal Revenue Service are a part of the U.S. Government nor do they have the country's interests at heart
They are not, but saying they don't care about the country at all is a lie, we have a symbiotic relationship at best

>> No.17888545

>>17888327
its literally for control and no other reason and this thread should end right here

>> No.17888664

Because Americans have a FUCKHUGE military that has bases scattered throughout the world.

Why the fuck do you think Japan got neutered in the 1990s? They had US troops on their soil. You can't break away from the dollar if you're not a truly sovereign country.

>> No.17888694

>>17888536
>but saying they don't care about the country at all is a lie
are you sirius

>> No.17888738

>>17888393
Aint it funny how those fucks are legally allowed to print money and they arent even a government agency?

>> No.17888750

>>17888327
It's about the principle, that you know who's the boss and that you give a cut by your own free will before you get fucked up.

>> No.17888779

>>17888738
Anon, clearly the government can't be trusted with monetary policy. Best o leave it in the hands of (((bankers))).

>> No.17888782

>>17888393
How can people lie so easilly?

>> No.17888808

>>17888327
>Why do we even pay taxes if the Fed can print out infinite amounts of money?
To restrict inflation, in principle.
In practice it's because a majority of people haven't realized that we can monetize the debt.

>> No.17888838

>>17888413
((ThEy KnOw ShUt It DoWn)))

>>17888545
+1

>>17888779
NON-politics rational objective policy decisions only

>> No.17888859
File: 8 KB, 300x404, nothing to see here.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17888859

>>17888779

>> No.17888873

Taxes are basically a mechanism to limit inflation

>> No.17888904

>>17888873
If you tax the poor or consumption, yes
If you tax the rich or investments/savings, not so much

>> No.17888907

>>17888664
How's that related to anything?

>> No.17888923

>>17888327
I was wondering this as well.

>> No.17889082

But what function do the taxes actually serve? It's not like the state needs them to fund itself, that much is clear. It can just take endless loans from Fed.

>> No.17889098

>>17888664
not an answer. they can print that instead of stealing from you, although they are still stealing from you.. the question is how many holes do you want to take it in?

>> No.17889117

>>17888327
OP JUST BROKE THE SYSTEM WHY DON'T THEY JUST PRINT THE WHOLE BUDGET AND LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE CHECKMATE ATHEISTS

>> No.17889125

>>17889082
they need a way to steal your work energy. that is all it is for.

>> No.17889154

>>17888327
Taxes create a demand for the government's money, because people need to pay them.

>> No.17889165
File: 20 KB, 600x338, le_monke.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889165

>>17888327
>Why do we even pay taxes if the Fed can print out infinite amounts of money?
inflation my dude

/thread

>> No.17889166
File: 1.13 MB, 957x960, dvilnchsscl@edok.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889166

>>17888327
because taxes limit the purchasing power, the conciousness and militancy of those who cannot create money - it means total control over them
>starving ppl dont make good revolutionaries

>> No.17889167

>>17889125
But what's the fucking point? It's not like they benefit from this arrangement in any way.

>> No.17889168

>>17889082
It's literally so we have a liability denominated in dollars so we have to go around scrapping for dollars and these are the rules of the charade

It's entirely about control

>> No.17889170 [DELETED] 

>>17888327
Because that money is debt that you owe and have to pay with your taxes.
The FED doesn't print money. The FED loans money tht goymericans will have to pay back with their future taxes.
The FED is a private bank owned by 13 families.
You are about to learn that 'conspiracy theorists' were rught all along and why (((they))) have been expelled of more than 109 countries over the last 2000 years.

>> No.17889185

>>17889082
Reduce inflation

>> No.17889198

>>17889082
They want to keep up the illusion that money is rare and has value not that they print trillions and give to big banks

>> No.17889199 [DELETED] 

>>17888327 (OP)
Because that money is debt that you owe and have to pay with your taxes.
The FED doesn't print money. The FED loans money that goymericans will have to pay back with their future taxes.
The FED is a private bank owned by 13 families.
You are about to learn that 'conspiracy theorists' were rught all along and why (((they))) have been expelled of more than 109 countries over the last 2000 years.

>> No.17889207

>>17889167
>It's not like they benefit
oh yes they do, they have great salaries and even better benefits
https://pastebin.com/20uxpgVg

>> No.17889218

>>17889165
>>17889185
How the fuck does paying taxes reduce inflation?

>> No.17889223

>>17888327
Because that money is debt that you owe and have to pay with your taxes.
The FED doesn't print money. The FED loans money that goymericans will have to pay back with their future taxes.
The FED is a private bank owned by 13 families.
You are about to learn that 'conspiracy theorists' were right all along and why (((they))) have been expelled of more than 109 countries over the last 2000 years.

>> No.17889258

>>17889167
not true - every mJ of energy you dont spend on yourself but spend on them (remember - the 'maximum profit' principle of neoliberalism means individualizing profit and socializing cost) means a better world and better survivability for their offspring

>> No.17889269

>>17889223
How do we spread this understanding to the masses? This entire system is fucking retarded.

>> No.17889313

>>17889269
That I don't know.
But do you know understand why free shit is a myth?
All these trillions of dollars will have to be paid back with our taxes.
We are slaves to (((them))) working for dollars that have less and less purchasing power each year.

>> No.17889343

>>17888664
and you are not a sovereign country if your money is tied to the IMF WB and FED... amirite? HUH amirite?

>> No.17889344

>>17889313
Why the fuck should we pay back anything to them.
Just kill them. Remove them from our financial system completely. There is zero need for this sort of retarded sham. The paper money they "lend" aka fucking print out of nothing, or more accurately, just ad a bunch of numbers to a digital account, isn't worth fucking anything in itself.

>> No.17889346
File: 1 KB, 317x34, capture_6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889346

>>17889207
>https://pastebin.com/20uxpgVg
What am I looking at?

>> No.17889372

So what is printing more money going to do to help the economy/stock market at this time? Isn't it just a form of delaying the inevitable?

Also, why are we bailing companies out? Isn't this going to just make things worse? Why should the government fix or save corporations?

>> No.17889378
File: 203 KB, 500x764, Bitch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889378

>>17888536
>we have a symbiotic relationship

>> No.17889379
File: 140 KB, 1024x991, 1584307300857.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889379

>>17888393
This
End both of them and fund the country with low tariffs, any other suggestions is pozzed bullshit.

>> No.17889397

>>17889218
Takes money out of circulation.

>> No.17889409

>>17889372
>Isn't it just a form of delaying the inevitable
Yes, assuming they succeed. Otherwise, it's going to properly screw things further.

>> No.17889412
File: 33 KB, 474x315, external-content.duckduckgo.com.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889412

>>17889344
>Just kill them. Remove them from our financial system completely.
We are there, bros.
He lives.
14/88.

>> No.17889413

It's all paper money with no intrinsic value. The really value lies in power, specifically military power. Which is something the Americans have in spades. The point of taxes is to act as a buy-in; it keeps one beholden to the status quo which manufactures, services, maintains and distributes power around the world.
Without taxation you would have no skin in the game and as long as a world power remains indomitable and its currency the coin of the realm it can go on producing monopoly money indefinitely.

>> No.17889418

>>17889397
In what fucking way? Government also spends money.

>> No.17889434

>>17889413
Which is also another reason why only net tax payers should be allowed to vote.

>> No.17889436

>>17889082
>It can just take endless loans from Fed
It's been doing that it's whole existence

>> No.17889449

>>17889223
Nah, the final red pill is realizing that the debt is not real either. Interest rates on it can be made artificially low and even negative. Nobody gives a shit. It only goes to shit if people don't want to use the USD anymore because then a black market develops over which they have zero control.

>> No.17889467

>>17889397
how so ? that money goes back into the system the second you fill your tax form ...

>> No.17889472

>>17889397
Bitch the dollar lost atleast 90% of it's value since 1913 the year the income tax was introduced

>> No.17889482

>>17889449
ban usury.

>> No.17889483
File: 32 KB, 750x546, angry apu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889483

>>17889413
I have no skin in the game as it is.

>> No.17889484

>>17889449
This would make Iceland's debt forgiveness much more easy to understand.

>> No.17889493

>>17889418
They would have to spend that money regardless of taxes and it would have to be fully supported by monetary supply expansion. Here they just have to print enough to cover the deficit.

>> No.17889503

>>17889472
98.5% actually.

>> No.17889508

>>17889223
>>17889269
>>17889313
not just the debt - the interest, which wasn't even created so you basically cannot pay back without loaning out money again, which has interest, which wasn't even created so you basically cannot pay back without loaning out money again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM
there are already people who are truly working on communicating this, but considering the average education level of a US citizen it is fair to say that there is no way

>> No.17889511

>>17889482
objectively define usury

>> No.17889512

>>17888536
>implying bureaucrats aren't just as selfish as everyone else

>> No.17889523

>>17889449
>It only goes to shit if people don't want to use the USD anymore
The whole world can fuck us over since they all use the USD, this is not sustainable at all.

>> No.17889531

>>17888536
Usurous.
The government wants to leech of of actual labor to expand itself.
You're giving over 27% per year of your labors to see no real returns. Crap roads, welfare for people who hate you, etc etc.
America is an absolute joke.

>> No.17889537

>>17889344
yeah well, hardy, prepared and dedicated men tried that and failed

>> No.17889538

>>17889508
>not just the debt - the interest, which wasn't even created so you basically cannot pay back without loaning out money again, which has interest, which wasn't even created so you basically cannot pay back without loaning out money again...
Precisely.
Forgot to mention that.
We are hamsters on a wheel. Running forever without ever going anywhere.

>> No.17889556

>>17889511
charging interest for loans.

>> No.17889562
File: 14 KB, 397x392, EDP1NbDWsAIRX3u.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889562

>>17888536
>we have a symbiotic relationship at best
HAHAHAHAHAH WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING

>> No.17889568
File: 1.68 MB, 300x259, happyhitler.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889568

>>17889412

>> No.17889593
File: 174 KB, 235x256, thinking intensifies.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889593

>>17889538
What if we just stop running?

>> No.17889603
File: 7 KB, 217x232, reich.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889603

>>17889412
Mein neger

>> No.17889627

>>17889556
What effect does this have on family housing, post-secondary education, and first cars?

>> No.17889631

>>17889593
that would be anti-semitism.

>> No.17889647

>>17889511
usury is that interest which wasnt created so cant be paid back without further loans - which makes it impossible to pay back

>> No.17889665

>>17889223
Reminder that every dollar in existence has money owed on it

>> No.17889667

>>17889631
spooky you mention that, 2030s coming right up

>> No.17889701
File: 303 KB, 1500x1494, ioukhbtra12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889701

>>17889593
look what happened with JFK, AH and others who tried that from way better positions than any of us is in

>> No.17889712
File: 52 KB, 1009x509, PROD0000000000477711.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889712

>>17889627
pic related is hitorical inflation going back to 1210.
source: https://www.dbresearch.com/servlet/reweb2.ReWEB?rwnode=RPS_EN-PROD$HIDDEN_GLOBAL_SEARCH&rwsite=RPS_EN-PROD&rwobj=ReDisplay.Start.class&document=PROD0000000000477712

>> No.17889721

>>17889523
Every country in the world operates like this. Most abuse it in objectively worse ways. The USD is by far the most trusted currency. The example you don't want to be is somewhere like Argentina where they already defaulted multiple times. Nobody trusts their currency enough to hold it without high interest rates, to offer a decent risk/return compensation. This screws up the common people way more.

If you think about anywhere else in the world, there aren't anywhere else in the world with a more solid economic backbone than the US. And this is a non-American speaking. Think about it objectively. For the USD to fail, you'd need to both lose the economic confidence of Americans in their currency, and have their economic output go to shit.

>> No.17889745
File: 68 KB, 537x778, Hitler 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889745

>>17889701
This system can't keep on going forever.

>> No.17889756

>>17889721
the dollar is the king of fiat currencies... but it's still a fiat currency.
> there aren't anywhere else in the world with a more solid economic backbone than the US.
we have no industry left here in the west.

>> No.17889793

>>17888327
I find it interesting that the Federal reserve has managed to skirt it's way around Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution because really only claims that States cannot recognize something as legal tender if it isn't backed by Gold or Silver, but it doesn't say that the Federal Government can't recognize fiat.
https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec10.html

>> No.17889802

>>17889593
Forced labor or war probably.
The gov and elitists want their cake.

>> No.17889805

>>17889793
>I find it interesting that the Federal reserve has managed to skirt it's way around Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution because really only claims that States cannot recognize something as legal tender if it isn't backed by Gold or Silver, but it doesn't say that the Federal Government can't recognize fiat.
B
A
S
E
D

>> No.17889821

>>17889802
So you are saying that if we stop running, the elites will enslave and or kill us?

>> No.17889829

>>17889712
Whoever made that graph should be hanged.
>hurr durr lets just use the same fucking color for multiple things

>> No.17889853

>>17889821
Well they don't want their power and control to be depleted, I can about guarantee you that. What do you think the government and policr actually do?

>> No.17889859

>>17889756
Gold will not make a comeback. It's (1) retarded, (2) inaccessible to the common pleb and (3) leaving public consciousness after decades of fiat.

You're not thinking about the US objectively, like most whiners on 4chin. The US is still leading in tech, cultural outputs, and industries of the futures. Manufacturing is not the future. It will become even more of a race to the bottom with advances in automation. Its GDP growth is way more healthier than in any country, especially China, which is just pumping it with shitty infrastructures that falls apart and inefficient state-owned industrials.

>> No.17889882
File: 2.24 MB, 1920x1080, dank mems.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889882

>>17889805
Yeah, hello? Based department? I'd like to file a claim

>> No.17889901

>>17889853
Ideally they should work to secure the existence and survival of the people they govern.
In practice they work as an enforcement tool to keep the people obedient and working for the interests of the elites.

>> No.17889916

>>17889712
How will that make buying a house for a family an option without debt?

>> No.17889921
File: 7 KB, 210x240, soyjak.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889921

>>17889859
>Gold will not make a comeback. It's (1) retarded, (2) inaccessible to the common pleb and (3) leaving public consciousness after decades of fiat.
>You're not thinking about the US objectively, like most whiners on 4chin. The US is still leading in tech, cultural outputs, and industries of the futures. Manufacturing is not the future. It will become even more of a race to the bottom with advances in automation. Its GDP growth is way more healthier than in any country, especially China, which is just pumping it with shitty infrastructures that falls apart and inefficient state-owned industrials.

>> No.17889922

>>17889082
It's interest on the debt that is fiat

>> No.17889924

>>17889721
>there aren't anywhere else in the world with a more solid economic backbone than the US
For now, but the system WILL fail as does every fiat monetary system for the past god knows how long. I mean a black swan event like the coronavirus affecting the economy this badly is proof the entire system needs to change.

>> No.17889927

>>17889745
yes, that's true, there are two or three possible outcomes
>the (not yet official economic term of) trap of high income countries becomes inevitable (thank to the 'maximum profit' principle, loosing the ethos and the spiritual meaning of life) and coupled with the global climate change and peak oil will kill of societies as we know it, reducing liferating 1/10th or 1/100th of today ending the industrial and causing the dawn of the post-industrial age
>the global monetary elite can hold control of the situation and all nations of Earth and after a pseudo-crysis forms the global super state of [information redacted for security reasons]
>nations can shake loose the control and become selfcontrolling again

>> No.17889951

>>17889793
nice catch

>> No.17889959

PREMINED SHITCOIN AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.17889965

>>17889921
Not an argument.

>>17889924
It can only fail if there is a replacement to take its place. It won't be gold, and it certainly won't be crypto. Better against the USD right now is retarded, even with the helicopter money.

>> No.17889969
File: 1.49 MB, 500x391, sad hitler.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17889969

>>17889927
How do we achieve the third option?
I don't want to be a debt slave.

>> No.17889979

>>17889901
that would be true in an ethnically pure nation with the same ethnicity governing
now, Anon, I have bad news...

>> No.17889997

I should make it known that above all else is power. Power is more than money, more than anything. That is why wicked men seek it so much.
Fiat is just a sort of power.
Without power, you have nothing.
Man's power is being exploited and stolen, which is what unapportioned taxes are.
To be fair, the FRNs ARE owned by the Fed, so they CAN make the rules regarding it's use, accumulation, etc.
But if you take away a banks power, it's exploitative and usurous system can be demolished, and a new, organic system can be implemented. Organic as in, we could see Mars being inhabited, taxes go to the improvement of peoples lives, the government serves the people, not the other way around, and so on. The system we have now is so upside down and backwards, the government literally has to hedge against opposition because long term, looking at history and general human behavior, it likely will get overturned at some point. Maybe not this decade, but over the next 150-200 years, I would be surprised if it did not have some serious backlash for it's current operation, given people are lobotomized and we don't continue onto the path of some Orwellian nightmare.

>> No.17890017

Money machine goes BRRRRRR hahaha

>> No.17890026

>>17889901
Correct. Nowhere does the Fed or any government entity state that it's interests are in the welfare of the people, at least that I know of. Their actions say enough.

>> No.17890042

>>17889969
well, its interesting how china slowly does exactly that
- developing a "social credit system" (that rewards or demotes citizens according their actions)
- already using a basically cashless payment system

maybe its also possible locally on small scale like a "bunch of hillybilly crazies", jsut under the radar

>> No.17890060
File: 346 KB, 1124x624, 20200229_233418.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890060

>>17889969
>I don't want to be a debt slave
If you pay taxes, work a shit job, completed public school indoctrination and have any form of debt you're already a slave anon, sorry to tell you.

>> No.17890067

>>17889805
M U C H O B A S A D O

A N T I s.o.y.l.e.n.t.verde

>> No.17890076
File: 19 KB, 543x443, 1584384717017.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890076

>>17888536

>> No.17890078

>>17889916
By saving up money. Market prices will adjust when no one can take on a 30 year 0.5% McLoan. It's low interest rates and inflation that have led to these massively increased housing prices.

>> No.17890092

>>17889997
the faith in the system puts the power of the individuals in the hands of the monetary elite

>> No.17890130
File: 1.37 MB, 1062x915, Hitler on the role of the state.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890130

>>17890026
Maybe he was right in the end.

>> No.17890142

>>17890092
Perhaps faith by despairity.

>> No.17890151
File: 44 KB, 750x458, 1578257892616.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890151

>>17888536

>> No.17890172

>>17889117
You have to go back

>> No.17890183

>>17889082
To give the illusion that fiat money has value and isn't just paper.

>> No.17890198

>>17890026
>magsimum brofid

>> No.17890210

>>17890183
Oh yeah, you can't pay taxes in any other form than in the fiat currency.
So it is literally just a way to enslave us.

>> No.17890221
File: 1.57 MB, 8000x5583, 1584130594606.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890221

>>17888327
More Redpills for Anons and lurkers who don't know any better:
https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0

>> No.17890231

>>17889117
Literally why don't they?

>> No.17890269

>>17890130
Perhaps not entirely. The role of the government should not just be preservation, that is low level thinking, it should be support and supplementation for a brighter future, spiritual growth which produces growth in all other areas. Thriving>surviving

>> No.17890298

>>17888327
Thank you for all those BRRRRRRRRRR gifs. It's really entertaining.

Keep on BBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRing

>> No.17890304

>>17890221
I'll add to this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxvy9XyUtg&feature=youtu.be

>> No.17890307

>>17890269
True.

>> No.17890313
File: 124 KB, 554x350, Friedrich List.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890313

>>17889969
Take the Friedrich List pill. The only truly successful German American economist. Capitalist Nationalism is the way forward. Trumps ideas regarding protective tariffs are the closest modern example of protective customs that brought the US and German industries to a peak.

>> No.17890318
File: 2.63 MB, 699x4932, meanwhile in the fed.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890318

>>17890298
Could this meme be used to spread awaraness to the public of how retarded our modern financial system is?

>> No.17890331

>>17888327
It's a temporary solution to make people believe they have more money so that they spend more money and stimulate the economy temporarily.

>> No.17890334

>>17890183
it isnt the the problem that money does not have an inherent value - its just a unit of measurement

the problem lies in the illusion that money actually HAS values (which it does not) - money is always a credit, the promise of the community to the holder that sometimes one can redeem it for real products of value

a unit of measurement does not have a "quantity", there is no inflation or deflation of the meter or liter or kilogram, is there?

keeping up the illusion of valuable money, keeping track of the quantity of money, and taxing (through not-created interest) all created money is theft and the basic methodology of modern slavery

>> No.17890336

>>17889269
https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0

This guy explains it very clearly.

>> No.17890357

>>17890231
they do that Anon, all the time, its called "quantitative easing"

>> No.17890376

>>17890269
wahr, kamerad

>> No.17890410

>>17890210
exactly this

>> No.17890414

>>17890318
2008 created the tea party and a rebirth of libertarianism. Let's see what the future brings.

>> No.17890434

>>17890414
The problem with libertarianism is that it fails to take into account group behavior of humans.

>> No.17890482

>>17890434
not really

it does require virtuous people to actually work though, that is the only "problem"

except that all societies and economic systems require virtuous people anyway

>> No.17890502
File: 59 KB, 628x960, 1581011335924.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890502

>>17889412
bro...

>> No.17890506

>>17890318
As long as we emphasize the monetary system and not "muh socialism" and don't let leftists do their "muh rich people" memes. I don't really care what happens after as long as the monetary system is replaced.

>> No.17890508

>>17890482
Yes it does. It fails to take into account the fact that humans are ethnocentric and tribal, and do not necessarily hold universalistic moral world views, as in, they are willing to fuck over people that aren't members of their own ingroup in order to benefit themselves and/or their own ingroup.

>> No.17890539

>>17890506
The problem with socialists (the internationalist kind) and leftists in general is that they don't fucking get the banking system themselves either apparently. They just think that the problem is "muh rich peeple have more than poor" when in truth the problem is that "our money literally has no fucking value and it is being constantly produced out of nothing".

>> No.17890564

>>17890508
Yes. And that is when you kick them out of the country, just like the founding fathers did. Seriously shut up with your lack of understanding. Be better.

>> No.17890568

>>17890434
literally the exact opposite of the truth
https://mises.org/library/use-knowledge-society

>> No.17890600

>>17890508
again, literally the exact opposite of the truth, since it's literally the only school of thought which actively acknowledges precisely that fact

>> No.17890611

>>17888327
It can't, but during a global recession investors shy away from weak currencies and buy strong currencies like the US dollar. This gives the fed enough margin to print money in order to stimulate the economy without going into major hyperinflation. Mind you though that this doesn't mean what they are doing is right or that it'll work.

>> No.17890620

>>17890078
Will it be usury to keep mortgages started before usury is abolished? Will they just be forgiven?

>> No.17890627

>>17890564
>>17890568

And how does it supposedly deal with that problem? Kicking them out doesn't work in a democratic system where everyone (including the people fucking us over) get to vote.

>> No.17890635

>>17890539
They're already pushing the narrative and I honestly don't blame them, it's a smart strategy to win. Let's just be glad Bernie got castrated a month ago by his party otherwise he'd be screeching even harder about this shit. Anyone even remotely fiscally conservative will be fucked if they can't adapt their ideas either. If they don't double down and oppose bailouts in general they're fucked.

>> No.17890677

>>17890627
Force is the only way to diminish evil.

>> No.17890678

>>17890635
There is no chance of voting for anyone that would want to abolish the fed, is there?

>> No.17890693
File: 1.19 MB, 320x284, Hitler serious.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890693

>>17890677
On that we agree.

>> No.17890726

>>17889508
>>17889449
>>17889413

heartwarming to see how many anons are redpilled on our current debt-based system and the promise held by monetary reform.

As long as a nation maintains a strong military and economy, there’s literally nothing stopping them from reforming the monetary system and printing new money — not at interest — and using it to pay for all government expenditures.

(i.e. $5,000,000,000 is printed and direct deposited to military personnel to pay their salaries).

The biggest question is how we could switch to such a system and avoid an economic crisis.

>> No.17890765

>>17890508
srsly blackpilled, like it

>> No.17890778

>>17890221
Is that series any good?

>> No.17890801
File: 184 KB, 602x683, 1566669128513.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890801

>>17888327

Because taxes force you to use fiat as money. It is YOUR LABOR that gives the dollar value after all. Without that, it's worthless.

>> No.17890804

>>17890678
nope, none

>> No.17890823

>>17890726
yes, heartwarming indeed, quite surprising I must say

>> No.17890835

>>17890678
The amount of people in the USA that even know what the fed is I would imagine is less then 1 percent.

>> No.17890839

>>17890678
Basically none, Trump rocked the boat super fucking hard in 2016 and didn't even mention the FED apart from what his cabinet would look like. Only chance is maybe Rand Paul but he has no charisma and I don't expect him to win moderates over.

>> No.17890848

>>17890804
Societal collapse is the only way for us to be free at this point it seems.

>> No.17890865

>>17890835
Well duh, of course the elites don't want the masses to know about this scam. Hence I wonder if the new BRRRRR meme could be used to spread awareness about it.

>> No.17890887

>>17890778

Hell yeah buddy, you should absolutely watch that and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t0CkzD-Bv8 as part of your basic financial education.

Since I've absorbed this information I've started looking at markets completely differently and now I'm raking in good profits.

If you want to understand what is happening, I recommend watching at least the longest videos in this series. Yeah, it's a lot but put it on in the background while playing some video game or something and try to absorb the information as it is vital to understanding the world around you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g&list=PLj7zFfTP8VIeu1G4PEwzRae62drneX_pe

>> No.17890933
File: 1.65 MB, 480x360, giphy (3).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17890933

>>17888664
Lol you stupid dumbstruck, if they do withdraw from the dollar, Americans arent going to fucking fire a shot. They wouldnt fire a shot over migrants.

>> No.17890943

>>17890887
What can we do about this shit? Is there any way of organizing against these parasites without being assassinated or something?

>> No.17890946

>>17890848
yes, we were born the right time to participate in the upcoming racewar

>> No.17890982

>>17890946
Good. The bankers can't be allowed to survive however.

>> No.17891039

>>17890943
Join the millions of other Americans pitching a tent in your local urban zone.

>> No.17891056
File: 63 KB, 1266x739, brrrgif.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17891056

>>17888327
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>> No.17891057

>>17889344
Congratulations, been at this point since 2009, still waiting for most people to realize this
>it's all so tiresome

>> No.17891266

>>17890887
Nice
>That id tho

>> No.17891322

just wanted to say THANK YOU for the information in this thread. Holy fuck.

>> No.17891397

>>17891322
Same.

>> No.17891421

>>17888327
>Why do we even pay taxes if the Fed can print out infinite amounts of money?

Inflation IS tax, forced tax.

>> No.17891482

>>17889218
>How the fuck does paying taxes reduce inflation?
By not needing to get those money from printing more money and so creating inflation

>> No.17891570

>>17890778
Probably the best financial videos on YouTube. Mike is based and knows his shit: https://youtu.be/FI7NnOg2rxo

>> No.17891581

>>17890839
Too bad that Trump didn't really change anything in terms of the fundamental flaws of this economic model.

>> No.17891582

>>17889223
Hitler was right.
Money needs to be tied to labor.

>> No.17891621

>>17891582
How did that labor based money system work tho? I haven't been able to find any real info about it. The popular liberal economists always just claim that it was a sham and the Third Reich would have collapsed had it not gone to war, but never really explain why that was the case either.

>> No.17891656

>>17890678
Financial power rules everything in a democracy.
Unironically read Mein Kampf.
There is a reason why the powers that be have spent 70 years propagandising you to dismiss National Socialism as pure evil.

>> No.17891696

>>17891656
I hope one day people will see the truth about this cancerous system.

>> No.17891743

>>17888327
To reduce inflation

>> No.17891789

>>17891743
Again, how does taxation reduce inflation? Especially if inflation itself is basically a hidden tax?

>> No.17891856

>>17891789
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>> No.17891887

>>17889344
Seig heil

>> No.17891919
File: 61 KB, 408x630, 9781912759200_p0_v2_s1200x630.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17891919

Reminder to read this fucking book.
It's cheap on Amazon.
The PDF is free online.
It's short.
It explains everything.

>> No.17891948

>>17891919
It is deleted from amazon actually.

>> No.17891953

>>17891919
Is it conspiracty theory shit? Is there a noninsane version of this somewhere if it is?

>> No.17891977

>>17891582
False. Labor should be tied to growth. Money should ONLY be a mediative means of trade.

>> No.17892008

>>17891953
The author is the former director of the South African Reserve Bank.
So he's not some tinfoil hat weirdo.

>> No.17892043

>>17891919
Looks like this guy is trying to start a movement about that. He even has a solution https://www.bitchute.com/video/lSaKoijh6YDd/
I bet it will take violence though

>> No.17892113

>>17891953
>central banking literally enslaves people
>GTFO CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!111one!!

>> No.17892125

>>17890887
BASED

>> No.17892195

>>17891621
This, it's hard to find anything about the fucking thing either way.

>> No.17892205

>>17892113
does it name the jew?

>> No.17892286

>>17892205
Yes. Repeatedly and in specific detail.

>> No.17892313

>>17888327
why the Fed prints out trillions and doesn't donate me a million to let me retire now

>> No.17892350

>>17888379
Who's the idiot who came out with the "BRRRRRRRRRRR" meme? It's so retarded and unoriginal.

>> No.17892459

>>17892286
Fair enough. Personally I've seen tons of similar ideas that blame all of the figures on that cover along with a general blame on "elites" throughout history without ever mentioning jewry so I've been made skeptical.

>> No.17892806

>>17892350
i personaLLY LOVE IT BRO

>> No.17892985
File: 233 KB, 780x945, 21F9336F-21EF-4054-9C91-D70F7203F441.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17892985

>>17889082

>> No.17892995

>>17892350
I also love it, one of my favorite memes. How is it unoriginal? what meme is it copying exactly?

>> No.17893534

>>17888536
I get what you're saying, but i'd label it more of a parasitic one rather than symbiotic

>> No.17894781

>>17888327
because that tax money is your labor. your are literately a slave.

>> No.17894882

So that they can incentivize certain behavior and disincentivize other behavior, and so they can persecute political opponents through tax audits.

>> No.17895082

We need sound money.

>> No.17895125
File: 124 KB, 750x720, endthefed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17895125

The currency we cry over, bleed over, die over, means nothing. We are slaves to this falling system. With markets failing the time to awake the dormant spirit of man is NOW!

>> No.17895203

Your question doesn't even make sense. We pay taxes for various government functions and the fed prints money to control the value of our currency. Bunch of dipshits in this thread who can't even comprehend middle school level subjects.

>> No.17895837

>>17895125
Unironic based nigger

>> No.17895903

>>17895125
i'm listening to the guy talk about the housing boom/bust. thanks

>> No.17895949

>>17888327
because since 1913 the usa has been a country that is trying to maximize its productivity. this means minimizing the unemployment rate that means not allowing you to accumulate enough wealth to be able to stop working

>> No.17896075

>>17888393
Just because a central bank is independent doesn't mean it's not a part of the government. It just means that it has the autonomy to do things without political interference.

>> No.17896176

>>17889167
So you're exhausted and don't have any energy left to even consider rebelling against your enslavement. That's literally it. People with billions and billions and billions don't give a shit about money, only about threats to their position of power.

>> No.17896274

>>17892350
you are SOOOOO original because you hate the BRRRRRR
I wish i was as cool as you, but im not

>> No.17896300

>>17896075
No they have nothing to do with the government in the slightest they are a private entity with private owners.

>> No.17896423

>>17892350
>t. jerome powell

>> No.17896755
File: 3.74 MB, 464x540, SS-BRRRRRRR.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17896755

>>17888327

>> No.17896799

>>17889397
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.17896961

>>17891621
>>17892195
This guy kinda explains it, you have to dismiss some of the nutlicking but it has good info
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ld8fxzEXZ2Qz/

>> No.17896988

>>17896961
This is a great video and Hitler did nothing wrong

>> No.17897360

>>17896300
so why doesnt the government get rid of the people controlling the fed and make it their own?

>> No.17897392

>>17897360
lmao
unironically, the cabal which controls the fed also controls the government
it's all a puppet show, and you are a slave

>> No.17897652

>>17890269
>it should be support and supplementation for a brighter future
The government ain't your daddy little boy. The sooner you accept that, the better.

>> No.17898504
File: 51 KB, 600x708, ron-paul-end-the-fed-paperback-book_600x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17898504

He tried to warn everyone.

>> No.17898918

>>17889859
America makes nothing of value that the rest of the world needs. American cars are shit, their planes fall out of the sky are shit and outside of the FAANG coroporations most of silicon valley is made up of third rate programmers making worthless apps that most people don't need.

The only thing the US has going for it at this point is its large area which can be used for farming.

>> No.17898986

>>17896075
Stfu kike

>> No.17899274
File: 19 KB, 326x284, 1584341574688.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17899274

>>17897360
>why doesnt the government get rid of the people controlling the fed and make it their own?
It basically IS their own, I don't think they've ever been at odds with each other as much as you'd think any other private entity would be against the government. Maybe that's how politicians get rich, they're stock holders of the fed.