/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17854652
I'm sorry bro. I'm having a tough go too. We aren't even eligible for unemployment either, because the system has been overburdened to the point of collapse by generations of people who used the safety net as a fucking lifestyle.

>>17854652
I'm sorry anon. Just start a garden, get some guns and a hunting license, install solar panels and generators, and turn one of your bathrooms into a methlab or hydroponics for mendacino greeno to sell.
Your white market entrepreneurial days are over.

>>17854750
Good

>>17854775
I'm getting chickens

>>17854652
what type of business? cant you figure out a way to adapt?

>>17854794
Indoors?

>>17854786
this. socialism and Keynesian wishy-washiness ALWAYS fails in the end. maybe we'll actual give Austrian based, laissez-faire economics a try for once.

>>17854652
What's your business. Some of the mega shekel fags might be investing

Everything is going under. And this is just the start. It's going to get far worse.

>>17854836
extremely based

>>17854836
that would be great for once young people would taste prosperity and maybe all the socialist lunacy would go away

>>17854750
>the system has been overburdened to the point of collapse by generations of people who used the safety net as a fucking lifestyle.

>>17854652
Go to the local food bank and the local salvation army, they will give you and your family free food.

>>17854836
>>17855153
We'll show you some "socialist lunacy". It hasn't even begun

>>17854786
The entire system was built on the premise that hardworking, creative and industrious people could take chances, work harder, and create future prosperity without fear, because we had each other's backs.

Reality: it's been bled dry by the underclass (of all races) to buy their votes and let them have 8 kids per generation that do the same.

Maybe it does need to burn.

>>17855328
It was bled dry by everyone but they're an easier target

>>17854652
>giving birth a child in this shitfest
What the fuck were you thinking

>>17855153
That would require rich people to willingly give raises and increase employee engagement in making decisions which isnt going to happen under a capitalistic system like the US currently has.

>>17855326
You're a gang of unemployable 105iq transsexuals that believes any change of system will put you on better footing. The reality is, you'd be worked to death in the first week by the same people you think you'd be sticking it to in the revolution (hard working and competent people who thrive under any system).

>>17854652
ah-bloo-bloo

>tfw family business is in tourism

>>17855421
how the fuck is that any different to all the pathetic outcast retards who desperately cling to "muh fourth reich" as if a bunch of zoomer faggots can even get off the couch let alone form a death squad.

>>17855467
It's not any different.

>>17855421

>>17854652
Let's hope you didnt think trump was a good idea..

>>17855328
That seems like an incredibly neoliberal take. The people who built the railroads as well as the railroad barrons all had 8 kids. Pretending that any of them are at fault for a system that has been borrowing money without any plans of paying it back, along with a bunch people at the Federal reserve skimming wealth from the nation, I find it strange that you would place all the blame on welfare queens who only exist because very powerful find them easier to manipulate than the actual working class.

>>17855467
>>17855528
seething

>>17855456
RIPPPPPPPPP

>>17855566
I did mention vote buying in my mini rant.

>>17855467
It isn't, revolutions don't happen the way most people think that they do, and even if they did keyboard warriors are among the last people capable of starting one.

>>17854750
what are you talking about?

>>17854836
I'd rather have a planned economy than laissez-nigger garbage.

>>17855749
boomers, spics, niggers.

>>17854836
>maybe we'll actual give Austrian based, laissez-faire economics a try for once.
HA-HA, GOOD JOKE MY MAN!

>>17854836
>we haven't tried REAL obscurantism with regard to economics yet!
Liberals are fucking pathetic

>>17855566
>The people who built the railroads
Those nigs would be like 200 years old by now. We're talking about the boomers.

>>17855456
Same here desu, just opened my very own hostel in the mountains, unironically had a 180% increase in revenue compared to same period last year. Decided to close it down when things started going to shit early feb. All zeros from now.
Fuck.

>>17854794
Ducks are easier and more useful. Chickens fuck around with your other shit while Ducks remove pests from your garden.

>>17854652
Welcome to the free market faggot. Remember, you wanted this.

>>17855939
The boomers didn't have 8 children though, they were the ones that whittled it down to 2 kids who they leave no inheritance to.

>>17854652
If your business didn't have enough capital to weather such things you were probably too liquid light anyways. Let this be a learning experience. God bless.

>>17856149
OP was obviously exaggerating and was talking about the retarded niggers and rednecks who have more kids than average and take advantage of the system.

>>17855918
>being so illiterate and cognitively dissonant you don't know what a dictionary is, let alone what a strawman or a no true scotsman fallacy actuary are

>>17854836
Laissez-faire economics only work if you shut off trade with other countries and stop all immigration.

>>17854750
It’s the fucking wealthy that fucked you over dumbass not Juan with his $4hr/job cleaning toilets

>>17854652
Should have voted for Bernie

>>17854652
Is there any way you can convert your b&m to accustom deliveries? Even if it's just you, don't give up hope.

>>17855566
>The people who built the railroads as well as the railroad barrons all had 8 kids
The former were just the Irish being Irish.

>>17856292
I know western democracies like to create an illusion of pluralism, but that doesn't mean that libertarianism and its affinity for laissez-faire economics isn't just another strand of liberalism.

>>17854652
Go buy a gun and ammo, faggot. But it's probably already too late for that.

>>17854750
>by generations of people who used the safety net as a fucking lifestyle
It's okay, you can say niggers here

>>17854652
You’re not the dude with 100k are you?

>>17856367
based

>>17854652
I'm serious OP. Go to the nearest salvation army, tell them you're stuck in a bind, they will give you free food once a month without looking at your finances or race. Do this for your son and his mother

did anyone just see spy jump to 240 flat for a second? just a glitch?

>>17854652
i just started too...had to get a real job to help with the crash

>>17854836
>derp let's try THIS 19th century economic model instead

>>17854750
>We should have a welfare state to help the poor and needy!
>NOOOOO NOOO NOT LIKE THAT
What the fuck were you expecting? If you're in favor of a welfare state the whole point of it is so that the poor are subsidized by the rich, even if they have to do it their whole lives. I'm just playing devil's advocate but you're being delusional if you think people aren't going to abuse the system when there are shit job markets

>>17854836
Based fucking retard
Your obsolete pseudoscience will never matter in the real world

>>17854836
Based? Yeah I'm thinking based

>>17856660
It will matter as long as people believe it. The fact that it's as real as palm reading is irrelevant, Austrians tell a powerful emotive story.

>>17854652
My sister in law went into labor and is about to have a premie. Will need to be in ICU for at least a month. I haven't mentioned to my family how worried I am about that, considering how overwhelmed hospitals may be a month from now.

>>17854652
time to invest in knee pads

>>17856343
>the whore didn't give you VD, society and her pimp did
Everybody is at fault, but Juan and the bosses both need to go. Juan can leave peacefully if he wishes.

>>17854652
sounds like a goy problem

>>17854750
The over-fucking-whelming amount of social spending is on giving Boomers UBI (Social Security) and free unlimited healthcare (Medicare).

The Boomers voted for massive tax cuts for themselves their entire lives. Cold War spending? Cut taxes. Iraq Wars starts, fuck war taxes, more tax cuts. Great Recession explodes deficits? The rich need even more tax cuts!

They never paid for their shit and now they want us to be rationed care and ventilators while they still get everything for free. $1 in $4 the Feds spend is financed using debt, debt which is due from Boomers grandchildren.

As for Juan, he only came here because people kept employing him to cut wages, undercut unions, and drive rent up. Blame richfags, they did this shit on purpose.

>>17855749
FINNA BUY SOME MO' WEED WHEN MY SNAP COME IN YA'LL

>>17854652
Get a loan.

>>17856643
We need a patriarchal welfare state where you get help when you need it but if you're just a bum you get cut the fuck off

You should help your son if he needs it but if he is just a loser drug addict and taking advantage of your generosity you cut him off

i hope you are happy you voted/supported the orange
you 4chan fags wanted this

>>17857369
>implying i vote
>implying all western states and their institution aren't sclerotic due to 200 years liberal obscurantism

>>17857257
>We need a patriarchal welfare state
No, we need a good job market. Welfare doesn't lift people out of poverty the same way a good job does.

>>17857463
wtf is scerlotic

>>17857559
I think obviously we should have both. Bad things do happen and sometimes people need help.

>>17854652
have you done a bankruptcy before?
Now's the time to start talking to a lawyer if you've got real estate or vehicles you don't want to lose.

I'm sorry this is happening to you, but it's happening to me and millions of others also. In a couple weeks this is going to be how most of the workforce is.

>>17856343

It's both, retard.

>>17856095

I live on an acreage. Do ducks have to be pinned up, or can they be taught to roam some during the day and come inside at night to avoid coyotes?

>>17856343
But its they wealthy hiring Juan at $4hr/job that's fucking people over

>>17856343
>$4hr/job cleaning toilets
This is a meme, every illegal I knew SoCal made decent money, something even a regular citizen might not get

>>17857559
> we need a good job market.
good for who, workers or capitalists? because if you want a good labor market for workers you need a strong welfare system. jewish tricks told you otherwise.

>>17858053
>because if you want a good labor market for workers you need a strong welfare system
That doesn't make any fucking sense, how are you supposed to have a welfare system when the people who are supposed to pay into it the most are the ones creating the jobs? I don't like the rich anymore than you do but taxing them to oblivion will only reduce the job market

>>17854652
im so sorry, you're going to have to eat the child

>Mfw the quarentine craze / curfew is making erry1 to order food by ubereats apps and ubber stock is gonna moon asap

>>17858482
/Bread
6/5 made me chuckle

>>17854652
>has a child
>thinks owning a small business is an acceptable way to take care of his family
>surprised when it doesnt work out

>>17854652
is he cute?

>>17854750
Lololol neets triggered hard

>>17857867
So its still the wealthy?

>>17858482
I've eaten a baby before bro. It's pretty awesome.

>>17854652
Rip.
I genuinely feel sorry for you man.

>>17854836
>laissez-faire
>based
Look at this anarchist in denial. Go kys fucking nigger.

>>17854652
>1 post by this id

stop bumping a slide thread saged

>>17861572
I'm here.

Thank you everyone for your kind words. I'm just stressed as fuck trying to figure out how to stay afloat.

>>17854750
>Amerimutts really believing in the "welfare queen" meme
I really can't wait for that third world shithole and every retard in it to burn in economic hellfire

>>17859800
uber delivery will pay 1000 per day

>>17858349
>falling for the job creator meme
Looks like you bought into (((their))) lies, frankly I feel sorry for you. And BTW, having a weak welfare system is a way of leveraging you into accepting ever shittier pay and conditions.
If you accept it's a zero sum game then if you want to improve living standards for ordinary people then you need to take (one way or another) from those that make exorbitant profits. Their profit model is predicated on a slow immiseration of working people in the developed world.

>>17854836
Real Keynesian economics has never been tried before.

You fags always talk about “risk” to justify your fat salaries and nice margins.

Well guess what, cocksucker- this is the “risk” part. Hope you end up on the street.

>>17854836

>Austrian

Oh nononononono

>>17854775
With what money lol?

>>17854652
sorry to hear that anon my parents went through the same shit on 2008 burning all their life savings and inheritance they got from their parents. Just be quick whatever you do and secure an income i hope everything works out. You might find it hard to put yourself together while facing this but you have to do it for your family, secure an income no matter what that should be your goal for now, you can always rebuild later.

>>17862244

>>17862234
>>falling for the job creator meme
I mean this also includes small businesses too, not everyone is a Fortune 500 company bro.
>And BTW, having a weak welfare system is a way of leveraging you into accepting ever shittier pay and conditions
How so, if we had a stronger welfare system then there wouldn't be any reason for employers to pay their employees any better because they could just say the government is liable for healthcare and pensions or whatever. Example is when employers started covering health insurance during and after WWII, before Medicare even existed, because they wanted to attract worker
>Their profit model is predicated on a slow immiseration of working people in the developed world
That's why I'm against taxes, they impoverish more people than they lift out of poverty.

>>17862309
How much money did you lose anon?

>>17854652
OP if it makes you feel any better Im getting completely buttfucked too
hope were all gonna make it through this shit

>>17854652
Welcome to capitalism soon to be former petty-booj. Now get back to work prole.

>>17854750
>Blaming the poor for the rich fucking you over

This is why they try to pit races against each other

I'm so sorry. Going through the same thing with my pest control business right now. i'll pray for you man.

No it won't. Your business will just be on hold while the government compensates you and your employees' wages over this time. Everything will resume as normal in a few months.

>>17861966
I hope you feel better. Everything is going to be okay.

>>17854652
Just print more money, pleb.
> BRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>17854652
fell for the small business meme get fucked lmao

IF YOU DID NOT DESIGN YOUR SMALL BUSINESS TO ACCOUNT FOR A PANDEMIC THAT SHUTS DOWN MOST ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN THE COUNTRY THEN YOU DESERVE TO FAIL. AND ALSO, YOU DESERVE TO STARVE. AND SO DOES YOUR FAMILY. PERIOD.

>>17864805
>IF YOU DID NOT DESIGN YOUR SMALL BUSINESS TO ACCOUNT FOR A PANDEMIC THAT SHUTS DOWN MOST ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN THE COUNTRY THEN YOU DESERVE TO FAIL. AND ALSO, YOU DESERVE TO STARVE. AND SO DOES YOUR FAMILY. PERIOD.

this but unironically

>>17854652
fuck off loser. you should have anticipated a pandemia.

>>17856009
hostel in the mountains could maybe be marketed as a corona hide out, long term to some city fucker

>>17864805

Welcome to the “risk” part of being a business owner.

Oh wait- you mean that was just an excuse to exploit people?

Welp, downsize, get what you can from liquidating your assets, and start again when you're able. Not much else to it. It's not always easy this life. You can pull through boyo.

>>17854652
Why do i need to pay taxes to compensate you and your workers? that's not capitalism. This country needs real authentic capitalism. It's healthy if businesses like yours go under.

>>17864901

Maybe he should start living like he tells his employees- no Starbucks, bring your lunch and get a second job and roommate if you have to.

>>17864878

If i was him id be using it myself for my entire family. What an idiot

>>17862658
>if we had a stronger welfare system then there wouldn't be any reason for employers to pay their employees any better because they could just say the government is liable for healthcare and pensions or whatever
that's why workers in the rest of the world who have state funded healthcare and pensions never get any raises, their wages are still at 19th century levels
truly unbelievable, america is retard strength if it was a country

>>17865009

But we would have fewer billionaires though! Think of them!

>>17856343
Fucking retarded left wing cuck. Its the rich using Juan to fuck you over. You realize "labor gap" and "skills shortage" is all bullshit to facilitate mass immigration which only fucking helps the mega corps. Take away any fucking immigrants from the 1960s until now legal not legal all of them and send them back. There will still be enough Americans to fill every job. It's just they will want to get paid more for shit jobs. You do realize there is always a labor shortage or skills gap if you're asking big kike corps right? They always want higher skills for less pay.

>>17854652
There will likely be a consumer protection and small business bill passed soon. To give people like you a lifeline through the virus.

>>17861966
Sell all of it buy btc, get any job, hold it till christmas, also maybe stack up on some food cans just in case, not because corona will fuck things up, people panicking might fuck things up

I’m so fucking pissed about this. They’re letting all of the big corporations stay open but forcing small businesses to close. This is Unironic fascism

>>17854652
You can blame the Jews and the Chinese anon

>>17865009
>>17865090

As far as I'm aware employers( not burger flippers, come on lol) provide a health insurance plan, and there are many that will also match your retirement to a degree.

>>17855421
>421
Checking those angel digits . Commies are pure evil.

>>17865090
>Its the rich using Juan to fuck you over.
Finally you figure it out. Want to end capitalism so that no one is interested in fucking you over like that?

>>17856941
Based and not a fucking retard pilled

>>17854836

Man you people are absolute retards. As if any economic system can survive the entire population staying indoors and not going to work or purchasing goods.

>>17865355
in america yes, that's why I say "workers int he rest of the world" because they have state funded pensions and healthcare and they get raises like everyone else

>>17865090
You know capitalists can export jobs just as easily as they can import immigrants, right?

>>17854652
same boat here anon
3 month old daughter
business is closing
i'm a network engineer/solutions architect for various major hotels, most of them are gutting jobs for non-essential things (i.t. isn't essential), and i'm sure most of them will be closing in a month anyways...

currently have a project management masters degree
anyone have any ideas or suggestions on where to look/go? any leads? gonna make a linked in tonight and start exploring.

>>17854836
>laissez-faire economics
Take a good look at Lebanon, do you want to end up like that?

>>17865683

go to the major it service vendors. It's a shitshow but Dell, IBM, Lenovo are always searching for good people. Unless you're shit then please fuck off.

>>17856343
It's governmental failure. Juan asks for less than minimum wage so the market is more favorable to him. If skilled people could negotiate their own prices things would be more balanced. Also, the value of citizenship. If Juan is undocumented then most labors laws (ex: a limit on hours worked) do not apply to him so that makes him even more marketable in a twisted way.

>>17862891
Only rational post ITT

>>17866058
always been a 1099 so i've enjoyed that lifestyle, but I had heard specific suggestions of dell and verizon, i'll look into it more tonight, hoping i can get remote only work
thanks anon

>>17865683
you had 3 months to start looking for a virus proof job. We knew back in Jan what was coming

dubs and anon survives and makes it

>>17865090
Republican administrations the most illegals on. Border crossings hit a 12 year high under Trump. It's not a left/right issue. It's a class issue.

Before the Great Awokening, as recently as the early 2000s, unions were hardcore against illegals and Bill Clinton campaigned both times on doing more to stop illegals than his right wing rivals. Even Obama hit higher deportations than the last two years of Bush or all of Trump (stat definitions changed on 2006 so it's not fair to compare early Bush to Obama).

Ironically, nationalist socialism is the answer.

>>17861966

What business? I can buy something off you

>>17854652
Least you have a protein source then. We're all out of meat locally. Eying the kids & pets right now.

>>17864805
Real boomer moments.
>>17865009
I love how so many burgers do that, like those of us in social democracies are living like peons lmao. It's insane. We even still have billionaires (sadly)

>>17854652
Send your wife over, 50$ for BJ 150$ for Anal.

>>17854652
Got laid off with hundreds after the company fucked up a ballot bill that would have given them a monopoly. Been two months with no good offers and now all this shit. FUCK
Could be worse. Stay strong OP.

>>17869445
>the company fucked up a ballot bill that would have given them a monopoly
what do you mean by this?