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>>17789505

average Joe*

>>17789505
a second wave would be a total crash, no immunity, most likely mutated, another shutdown?

There won't be a second wave. Life goes on.

>>17789505
The virus is a nothingburger. That being said, all efforts to contain it are futile

I heard corona is similar to SARS. How did SARS go away and why can't the same happen to corona?

>>17789505
Well, I doubt they would respond in a positive way, no?
But what makes you think wuhan will have a second wave of cases? and even if it does, there's no guarantee that anyone outside of China will know about it.
Either way, the loss of value in all assets is backed by a very real market slowdown from corporate to small business. Could things continue to get worse for markets from here? I sort of have a feeling like everyone who was going to exit has already done so.

>>17789541

Even if there is immunity in those infected and recovered. Only 100.000 or so people have been infected in Wuhan. And Wuhan has about 8 million inhabitants. If you think they have this under control you are pretty naive IMO.

>>17789594
>>17789553

see
>>17789603

>>17789591
Corona is like a stealthy mix of SARS, HIV and the flu. The corona structure around the virus body allows it to penetrate your cells with ease; after that, the thing completely annihilates the immune system and invades every critical system in the body.
Even when someone is “cured”, the virus is still present in the brain stem, the T Cell count is dangerously low for months (who knows how long), and your lungs are permanently scarred.
>tldr; this is a Franken virus that spreads like AIDS

>>17789505
Coronavirus is a psyop. Either it blows over in the next month or two, or they drag it on for an entire year and use it as an excuse the cancel elections. They've already used it as an excuse to cancel elections in London.

>>17789505
CV is overblown. Weaponized to attack Trump politically.

Europe is dead anyway. USA will be fine like china and sk. If USA shows it can't contain, go all in puts and retire.

>>17789591

Sars: 8000 total cases in 10+ years
Corona: 100.000 cases in 3 months

>it's the same thing

>>17789728
jinkies, why am I even wasting my time on the business board looking for ways to make money if this thing is going to annihilate us all?
I know we still haven't found a vaccine for SARS but surely the pressure will be much higher to find a vaccine for this than it was for SARS
>>17789789
cease this slander, I said similar, not same

>>17789835

Ebola is also similar, in the sense that they are all infectious decease. What's important are:
>the rate at which the virus spreads
>the mortality rate

If these two parameters are completely different, it makes no sense to compare the viruses.

>>17789728
You're talking out of your ass lmao

I listened to a /pol/ LARP and went short three weeks ago after other parts of it came true. Thank you anonymous shitposter with connections.

>>17789899
The COVID designation is only used to prevent panic, but the virus is literally SARS 2: Electric Boogaloo.

>>17789603
>”only” 100,000 have been infected
>they dont have this under control
this makes no sense. what are you tryin to say

>>17789835
We will survive, but it might be wise to short sell the market over the next 12-24 months

>>17789949
DYOR, but I will leave this here
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/32104915
https://medium.com/@gaertner.adamp/covid-19-is-the-big-one-cda91ea74646
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762452
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.18.20024364v1

>>17790027
See:
"From a risk communications perspective, using the name SARS can have unintended consequences in terms of creating unnecessary fear for some populations, especially in Asia which was worst affected by the SARS outbreak in 2003.

"For that reason and others, WHO has begun referring to the virus as “the virus responsible for COVID-19” or “the COVID-19 virus” when communicating with the public. Neither of these designations are intended as replacements for the official name of the virus as agreed by the ICTV."

>>17789983
same. shorted the second it spread to italy. based and worth all the lurking pilled.

>>17790037

Let me spell it out for you..

>100.000 people get infected
>3.000 people die
>97.000 people recover and their immune system now knows how to deal with this virus
>people are all in quarantine so the spread of infections slows down
>goverment realizes that they cannot stop the economy forever
>goverment says they are getting things under control
>quarantines end
>some people will still be spreading the disease
>8 million - 97.000 people are still susceptible to the virus
>repeat

>>17789589
It's not a nothingburger, but it is something we have to deal with rationally. But the press has cranked the hysteria up to the point that rationality is impossible. It's a strain of flu that is VERY dangerous for the elderly and people with underlying issues, like obesity and diabetes. The experts are all saying, the vast majority of people who catch it, will experience mild symptoms, and it will pass. This is not a "catch it, guaranteed death sentence" disease. But we DO need to contain it and keep it from spreading, because it's common fucking sense, and if we collectively pull our heads out of our asses and stop listening to the MSM, we can get that done. And most likely will.
The real damage has been done, to the markets. It's gonna bounce around for a while. It's gonna take time to smooth it out and start a recover. I'd wait until early summer to even start predicting anything.
If the US is anything like Italy, we're about halfway to peak, before infections die off, due to warmer weather, quarantine of the infected, and yes, some older people dying. But if we stop with the doom and gloom from the MSM and just fucking deal with it, we can get through it and not burn it all to the ground.

>>17790080
I prefer Kung Flu.

Barring that, Wuhan Flu, because fuck the bugmen trying to cover up they caused this.

>>17789505
I seriously doubt Wuhan is actually solved at all. The chinese clamped down hard on anyone spreading non-positive news about it and stopped glorifying doctors.
As for making money, I dunno, go full vulture and buy prime real estate from families whose primary income earners die off from the virus.

>>17789983
is this real?

>>17789541
There most likely will be a second wave in the fall. Same thing happened with Spanish flu

>>17789591
It’s much more contagious than SARS
Also the world wasn’t nearly as interconnected then as it is now
Also China probably slaughtered thousands of people to cover it up

>>17790340
Just in time to cancel the elections.

>>17790340

I think it will happen earlier. The correlation between temperatures and the corona virus is pretty low. I think it is more a function of the government not trying to overwhelm the healthcare system and thus quarantining everyone versus the government needing the economy to continue to provide for necessities, thus stopping quarantines.

>>17790184
yeah m80 here's the problem with that. this thing is literally a KILLEMALL bioweapon that broke containment and it's actually worse than even the "hysteria" implies. All of the elites are bugging out. All of those CEO's stepping down, Gates today, all going to their bunkers. City of London is empty. this will not just go away. these fucks either accidentally or on purpose our whole civilization. Vietnam is getting fugged and is pretty warm at the moment. BUY SUPPLIES AND AMMO because this is the big one. your last and final warning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCzJBXRwS5o

this kid recovered but progressed to the ventilator stage

https://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/umland/dieses-coronavirus-wird-auch-vor-kindern-und-saeuglingen-nicht-halt-mache

>>17789983
I live in Brazil, am I gonna die?

>>17790208
The Holocough is the best

>>17790484

I don't think there will really be a "second wave" of the virus attacking people or re-attacking areas it has already spread to. If anything I think the "second wave" will happen as early as next week or the following, since now we are ramping up testing.

This time next week each US state will probably have multiple hundreds of confirmed cases, if not thousands. That's when more people will start to freak out.

That being said I think most of the market crashes have been priced in. Most companies are shutting things down or telling people to work from home. Oil is down because of saudi arabian manipulation and because less travel as a result of this. Airline stocks are down for the same reason etc. I don't see airline stocks going much lower desu. People dumped their stocks hard over the past few weeks.

Like, if you didn't sell within the last 2 weeks, why would you panic and sell at what is essentially the bottom? IMO things have to get 10 times worse before you see an equivalent market panic of the previous two weeks

>>17789505
Smart man

So apparently the death rate for people under 50 is relatively low and I presume this also true for the amount of cases that have to be treated in hospitals. Therefore, why don't we just isolate all old and vulnerable people for a year or so? Keep everything else going with very strict hygiene standards and wait till all younger people are infected and immune and we have a vaccine for the others.

As for making money I am looking into investing in companies that are making tools to make personal presence anywhere unnecessary like online education etc.

>>17790491
>this thing is literally a KILLEMALL bioweapon
It's literally not that, larper.

See, i listen to the experts, who know things. They all say 2-3% mortality. I'll keep listening to them, and not your larping ass. I'm pretty fucking sure I'm doing the right thing.

>>17789505
Invest in trash bags

>>17790666

> investing in companies that are making tools to make personal presence anywhere unnecessary like online education etc.


Sounds like a good idea.

I am personally looking into medical supplies that will be in enormous demand. I'll have to look further into which ones specifically. But I head medical ventilators will be much needed in the next few months. So if I can find a stock closely related, that would seem like a good idea IMO.

so I'm economically illiterate, is it a good idea to invest in delivery services? You know, in case hideous kojima predicted the world would look like in death stranding with people afraid to leave their homes due to the virus?

>>17790687
on your head be it man. not larping just trying to save some anons from the coming chaos. The outcome of this thing will make everyone reevaluate their position on "experts".

>>17790367
Huh that one really is making me think because they've already delayed the Louisiana primaries. That or maybe they implement an online way to vote usinv block chain technology?

>>17789728

The virus is closely related to the common cold and mutates just as frequently. That means vaccines are useless and you can catch it multiple times. This is going to fuel another great depression just like the dust bowl did in the 1930's.

>>17789505
>In hindsight, it is fairly clear that this could have easily been predicted in late december/early january
With hindsight, I could lever up via margin and invest in any major investment drop with a following v shaped recovery.
This Corona fallout and market drop is unprecedented.
So what did I do? I was prepared, put my money where my mouth is, and bought all of the major downdays by selling 10000s of $s of munis and buying equities.
Time will tell how long for a v recovery or if I'm (eventually) right. This could be an L shaped recovery for a very long time.

The point: you gotta have cash or cash equivalents to play any market drops. 99.9% of biz is playing with 100s. Not enough to>>17789505
jump socioeconomically.

>>17789505
Concerning crypto: I withdrawed all may assets from exchanges. No one knows how corona-chan will unfold. In case of a partial or complete meltdown of law & order the exchanges won't hesitate a microsecond to gobble up my precious BCC.

>>17790491
>T-this is the big one guys, it really is this time I swear. You're all going to be sorry if you ignore me this time! S-stop being so calm this is Serious!

>>17789781
>If USA shows it can't contain
the US is taking roughly the same measures as Italy (probably less so when it really comes into effect), but 4 weeks later into the pandemic
look up how well Italy's containment is going

>>17790943
Enjoy choking on your lung goo in the street because there's no room left in the hospital. Niggers will also totally respect a nationwide quarantine, you should be fine.

>>17791209

Well at least it will kill a dis-proportionally large amount of dumb people that will ignore the quarantine.

I hope the corona virus ends Jimmy Kimmel

>>17789505
inductive reasoning failed, many viruses before that originated in SEA and the far East have been a nothing burger. markets followed logic and got fucked. do not use /pol/ fear mongering that somehow turned out to be right as a baseline for making investments.

>>17790849
Oooh, such scurrry dooooom and glooooom.

Have the basic decency to jerk off in private to your lame fantasies, incel.

>>17791628
/pol/ anon here, who advised you all to sell Bitcoin in the Bull Trap.
And told you to sell up weeks ago
And made fun of people buying

>>17792005
yes, but now is certainly a good time to buy

>>17792149

>>17791945
you will be naturally selected, unironic sóy buzzwords poster.

>>17792189
When do you think the time for buying back in will be? What signs will you be looking for as far as news/markets/coronachan goes?

>>17790630
>>17790484
Second wave will be in the southern hemisphere, from mid to late April on. South America is in full denial mode, and the coldest months of the year are just a couple short months away. The first wave, -the one comprising wuha, eurpoe and unfortunately now the US- hasn't even shown itself completely; over the next two weeks, as more northern-hemisphere nations ramp up their testing capabilities, you will begin to see a large increment in reported csses. China is a different deal: if you think you can trust anything the Chinese government has to say, you need to think again. They've been bullshitting about this from the start, even blaming the US military for this, fucking embarassing. Their numbers and communiqués in general cannot be trusted, ever. Feel like this is stating the obvious, but here it is anyways. So remember, second wave incoming, BUT in southern hemisphere, starting about six weeks from now.

>>17792304
Alright, I am not an economist, nor have any money in the stock market or bitcoin.
But I am a polack who also knows science/human nature.

Corona virus essentially destroys labor and wrecks international trade. In this way it eliminates productivity, causes mass unemployment, with people unemployed having nothing to do but stay in their homes. Totally disastrous.
Furthermore it causes people to pull out of the market to have cash to buy real world items (food etc etc)
This is why capital is not really fleeing to Gold or Bitcoin, those personality types are buying guns and food.

There are two pathways.
1. It is a bio-weapon with no previous cure (inhibitor) (China made or US made 100% chance it was stolen by Chinese)
2. It is a bio-weapon with a pre-planned cure (inhibitor) (China made or US made 80% chance it was stolen by Chinese %20 chance it was released, that chance it was released was higher then the US was coming off arrogantly confident.)

If 1. then expect everything to get way worse. Banks may crash, stocks will go down further then more of the world gets infected (South America, Africa etc. Big chance of violent mass-looting and murder in multi-racial countries (Europe, America). 100% chance in countries without food security. (Produce less food than the consume)
Virus's are notoriously hard to vaccinate for due to the bodies immune response. A vaccine in this case is ages way, at least 6 months or longer, if it is less than 6 months, it was 2. all a long.

If 2. then there is a trigger for a country to release the news they have a vaccine. It will likely be a proxy for the US.
Unless China released it on themselves, then we won't ever hear about it.
If so the market will do a huge rally, then re-dip, then stabilize. The South America and Africa still get infected but the stock market won't freak out. There may be a banking crisis during the return to pre-Virus.

>>17792304

Where to go:
Keep pulling out. Rethink this as when the market is 3/4 when Trump took office (The time when long term investment kick in) Rethink harder then the market if at 1/2 of when trump took office. (Yes it probably will go that low)

Obviously Medical should be good to hide money into. Especially any companies that deal in HIV or Malaria.
If you want to go further, look into companies with secure national supply chains.

Silver is a better investment than Gold, consider the uses for each material (Silver is anti-viral, so is brass). While Gold is used in electronics which will slump naturally and because they are made in China.
Both should dip a bit but to look at it a different way, everything else is depreciating in relation to Gold/Silver so it's decent.

If you don't have the materials to secure your health or food then you should sell and punch yourself repeatedly.

>>17792768
>>17792884
Also polack, but just a lurker, very rarely post, and a newfag at that, missed out on the mythical 2016 craziness, and the alleged greatness of early /pol/ that's how new. Oh well.

Never really gave much thought to this being a bioweapon, still doubt it for some reason, although your 2nd point, if things goes down as you describe, (early cure release) then will have to rethink this angle heavily. reason for doubt n the bioweapon angle is because in asia in general they eat wild animals like there's no tomorrow, and all kinds of disease can be contracted that way again. ut, hey , then again, what better social context to release a bioweapon on the down low than precisely that kind of place....?
Anyways, beware of PM's, lots of paper gold out there, LOTS, plus many central banks (Russia, China and others) have been stocking up on gold for several years now, so just the fact that those whales with armies and legislative and geopolitical weight are out there skews the whole thing heavily. Investing in gold streaming companies makes more sense, safer, acrtually deal with mining operations from the funding side, which generates a small but efficient buffer to protect from gold price volatility and general distortions. Also NOT an economist. Medical also sounds good, respirators are going to be in high demand, the situation in Italy attests to this, poor Italy medfags were doing fucking triage a few days ago is a rumour that was popping up in one thrad on /pol/ a few days ago. Awful.

>>17793121
Been there on and off since 2014. 2016 sure was fun.

>because in asia in general they eat wild animals like there's no tomorrow

That is what people say and what people have been told but the virus is mixed with too many different elements of other virus's for me to assume it was a series of random mutations
Virus's can't share DNA (RNA) like bacteria can.

Plus the lab in Wuhan was literally researching corona, HIV and other elements of the virus. So was the lab in Canada were those two Chinese tried to steal stuff from.

That is about it, you clearly know more about gold than I do.

>>17789505
If it is true that the number of infected has been doubling every 4 days since the first bat-eater in November, then according to my calculations, everyone on the planet will have it by the end of April.

>>17792884
>Keep pulling out. Rethink this as when the market is 3/4 when Trump took office (The time when long term investment kick in) Rethink harder then the market if at 1/2 of when trump took office. (Yes it probably will go that low)

Agree completely. This thing is just beginning, this will be one long, drawn-out happening. Remember Dr.Fauci testified a few days ago and was very emphatic about the fact that a vaccine was like at least 8 months away, and even then would not be readily available for several more months. Plus, it is highly possible that hospitals will collapse fairly soon (weeks away) in most if not all major Western cities. Again, Italy shows this, not full blown yet, the early indicators were clear just a few days ago.
Plus, the more tests become available, the numbers will skyrocket, especially given the fact that it appears they won't be testing just anyone, (because of the scarcity of test obviously) but individuals which at the end of the day have a greater chance of actually testing positive. End result, the positive vs. negative results will be pretty terrifying. They have to make every test count, ergo, only 'high risk' peole will be tested, they have been very clear about this.

>>17789505
>could have been predicted
if you didn't see it coming you're a fucking blind ass retard.

only a stubborn ass bullfag would hold his shares after being pampered for 3 years. The crash made me tons of money THIS time because I shorted. Next time just pay attention

>>17789505
I'm sorry but all I heard was buy more toilet paper before it's too late.

>>17790816
>hideous kojima

>>17789505
>In hindsight, it is fairly clear that this could have easily been predicted in late december/early january
I would never had thought it to cause a drop this big
People are hoarding toilet paper goddammit, its a fucking clownworld and a clown market
If we where living in an market simulation game thats exactly what the devs would build in as joke

I think it's possible to extrapolate what happens by determining how joe reacts to this not being a 2 week problem. The media has hyped this enough to the point that that realization could cause panic. Panic leads to emotional decision making usually riots which lead to more law enforcement, in this case the nature of the virus will help against riots and herd chimpouts. The chimpouts will be online/media based. In this case the need to control information is necessary.

>>17792768
>Corona virus essentially destroys labor and wrecks international trade. In this way it eliminates productivity, causes mass unemployment, with people unemployed having nothing to do but stay in their homes. Totally disastrous.

Not necessarily, this is only affecting certain industries. Restaurants and retail will be hurt, but outside of that I think all of the effects are already priced in. Outsourced chinese factories have been shut down for a while now.

I think in the long term this will lead to a big boost in productivity. Lots of companies are letting employees work from home now, and that raises productivity. I think one year from now there will be a lot less business trips and real world conferences, and a lot more video conferencing and virtual meetings than ever before. Working from home is about to become normal. This will lead to happier employees who care about their jobs and it will also lead to savings for companies who aren't dumping money into airline tickets so their 6 figure salaried employers can just check things out and tell people at another location what to do. So much of modern business could be conducted electronically without needing to travel

>>17793292
>That is what people say and what people have been told but the virus is mixed with too many different elements of other virus's for me to assume it was a series of random mutations

>Virus's can't share DNA (RNA) like bacteria can.

Way over my head, don't understand all this technical stuff, unfortunately. Big if true obviously, absolutely huge, but given the asymmetrical relationship between experts and laymen in tech society, can never even begin to hope to ever know how much truth or untruth there is as far as this sort of highly technical stuff goes.

>Plus the lab in Wuhan was literally researching corona, HIV and other elements of the virus.

Heard about that, could still be coincidence, (benefit of the doubt and all....) but your next point.....

>So was the lab in Canada were those two Chinese tried to steal stuff from.

I heard nothing about this, what the actual fuck are you talking about?? This actually happened?????

>That is about it, you clearly know more about gold than I do.

Not much more at all fren, just started looking into it literally like 2 months ago when it became clear coronachan was absolutely NOT going to be a nothingburger at least as far as dissemination of propaganda (((''news''))) and muh stonks of course. In case your interest was piqued, here's a pretty good basic knowledge article on gold:

https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/05/04/what-is-gold-streaming.aspx

here's a question in the case of a second wave, possibly mutated, if resource distribution is affected by scarcity how will people cope? worst case government intervention will help to disseminate absolute necessities as cueing for rice is out of the question, but not being able to work or get paid will require infrastructure only seen in communist regimes.

>>17793488
>I think in the long term this will lead to a big boost in productivity.

I was going to let you be wrong until you said this.
Now I will reply by calling you a retard.

>>17793536
There was a few.
Most Chinese
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567
https://greatgameindia.com/chinese-biowarfare-agents-at-harvard-university-caught-smuggling-viruses/

This one was from awhile ago
https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-researcher-investigated-for-allegedly-trying-to-smuggle-out-vials-of-biological-material_3183421.html

and 1 recently a Jew.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-01-31-harvard-professor-arrested-conspiring-chinese-spies-smuggle-biological-material-china.html
(Who also helped build the Wuhan lab)

>>17791075
Nobody can contain it, China's measures were sealing entire buildings when someone coughed, killing all dogs, using drones to spray who knows what, and then, killing all coverage.

There were piles of corpses in the everywhere last it was reported. Now there's just silence.

Also they didn't stop it, they just shut down reporting.

No measure can do anything, it lives in the air for 3 hours and on surfaces for days, infected people shed for up to 37 days as per the lancet.

Odds are we are all already infected, anyway, as, you've probably noticed most everyone famous taking a test IS infected.

Not all is bad news tho, a ton of people testing positive didn't have symptoms, so its possible the percentage that gets really sick is lower than the previously thought 20%.

Regardless, I expect that next week, when tests are widely available, the true panic will begin when everyone finds out they are infected, since there's nothing anybody can do anyway. Riboflavir barely does anything and its not like they can magic respirators into existence.

So, one of two things will happen:

In 1/2 weeks, America will be Italy and we will be full of corpses of people dying waiting for respirators...

OR!

It will come out we are all infected already, most people didn't even notice and everything will be okay.

That said, the orange man bad media is worsening things, the panic they are spreading is gonna make things unmannageable, it must be stressed that WHETHER YOU GET TESTED OR NOT, DOESN'T MATTER, THERE'S NO TREATMENT OR CURE.

TLDR: I know, I know I've let you down. Ive been a fool to myself, I thought that I could live for noone else.

>>17793418
Nah, this shows why its hard to model behaviour. You think the TP thing is nonsense.

Its not.

Normies vaguely stocked up with food when they saw it as a vague immaterial threat. When they realized it was for real, they gathered stuff they thought they'd need for the quarantine.

Most people don't have a ton of TP on hand. Its always on sale, and it takes a lot of room. Furthermore, a TP aisle doesn't have that many units, so a few people taking a few empties them.

From there, randos saw there was none, went to other stores, and started a meme. Look at memebook, people are making forts and other idiocy with TP, nobody can really sell it at a profit.

stocking TP is the real world equivalent of putting corona chan in posts here, people are having fun with the end of the world.

Remember when people thought memento mori shit was a deep philosophical statement about their relationship with death and all that?

It was a meme. People saw the plague, went ah fuck it, and started posting memento chan everywhere for lulz.

Models fail to take into account that people do things for their own amusement.

Furthermore, TP is inexpensive, one can fill their place with it for like 40 bucks.

>>17793672
Eh, you already saw what happens, money printer goes BRRRRRRRRR

>>17794019

Had heard about the faggot from Harvard, sold his fucking soul that one, but got caught in the act. Fuck him, hope he gets what's coming to him. Hadn't heard about the others, sounds like good ol' Chinese espionage though. Not justifying it at all, but probably every first-world country is up to the same or similar shennanigans though. These incompetents just got caught doing it. Just think of all those that actually got away with it....

On a different note, honestly, have to kind of half-agree in a very general sense with >>17793488, even though he's very wrong to think in terms of productivity, --or more precisely, to adscribe future productivity to a continuing tendency of novelty-driven change in interpersonal communication that would of happened anyways but just much more slowly coronachan notwithstanding. In other words, one of the end results of coronachan could very well be an acceleration of already present tendencies of physical isolation between human bodies product of muh gabbitalist system within this unique technical milieu of ours. In plain English, what he describes would have happened soon enough, --an not related to productivity really but to sociological tendencies is my point-- but coronachan simply serves to stress the system in this direction. If muh workers can concievably be made to work from home -and to actually feel it is beneficial to them and even self-initiated, this last bit is crucial- then markets will respond accordingly. Some semblance of proof of this is that the tech is already here, well developed and in abundance actually, all that was needed was an event like this to bring the weight of investment and general interest --and very soon the necessary (((propaganda))) as well-- in that direction.

>>17789505
I live in China. The virus is pretty much over. Not for anywhere else tho, you're just beginning. Mainland China is the safest place to be right now.

Also, sell ALL shitcoins now, except for BDK (bidesk)

>>17794722
totally agree. China was patient zero but dealt with it so swiftly that it's by far the safest place to be in terms of avoiding further contamination.

>>17793672
First ''wave'' isn't over yet; but honestly anon, thinking in terms of waves is a fucking joke to begin with, but fine, you wanna fall for that kind of bullshit, go ahead. Suggestion: don't let the framing of the problem by the media make you believe there is an inflection point marking the end of a wave and the beginning of the next; if you do, that inflection point willl without a doubt be proposed and later crystallized in collective perception by literally anyone except you. Mind control 101, mane.

However, if you still must insist on thinking in terms of ''waves'', at least do yourself the favor of using natural inflection points, like seasons and hemispheres, and not (((artificially managed))) inflection points subservient to technical needs of propaganda manufacture and delivery. this way, at least the chances of being cheated into believing in a lull -- or conversly in an unsubstantiated worsening of the situation is mitigated.
If you still insist on this modality of perception/thinking, ''second wave'' will ultimately be originated in the southern hemisphere, first because of the hard fact of spectacular denial of the gravity of the situation all across South America, second of all because seasons should actually be changing things up for coronachan, and third, because of the strategic necessity of corona-riddled northern-hemispheric first world nations to be able to say ''we're doing bad, but look how bad they are really doing down there where they didn't do jack shit when we told them to''. Don't forget Trump just the other day mentioned offering assistance to Iran. This management of perception is already in the works.

>>17795062
stop being a fag, language is used to facilitate communication. I just read two paragraphs and didn't get my question answered. cunt.

>>17795381
jeez i thought it was me. how much of a faggot do you have to be to be that unnecessarily verbose. a complete incel at minimum

>>17795497
>resorts to samefagging
back to school nancy

>>17795509
what. i was agreeing with u mong

>>17795523
I had my finger on trigger on that one, sorry lad

>>17795381
You're right, you asked a straightforward question and got a fucking essay as a reply, way off on a tangent. Still insist you forget about the ''waves'' bullshit, because that is one fucking dangerous meme to conjure up. Just got carried away. Sorry brah.

Answer:

There will be very little coping if shit gets that bad. You better just hope you live in a first world country; if that's the case, the State/govt WILL take over fully, and ration the fuck out of everything. Eminent domain. They will confiscate everything necessary and dole it out as they see fit. Full-on central planning, 2.0. You're right to think of communism. It's gonna feel a lot like that.

>>17794496
Yeah I could see what he was saying.
I guess I ascribe to a light version of the Labor Theory of Value, I know it is heresy, especially here but whatever.

When labor is eliminated like this, what happens is that critical services become more valuable. I am taking lumberjack, miner, electrician, factory worker, trucker, policeman, doctor, farmer all those core type jobs that keep the society running. And critical services require real world interaction, rather then typing keys on a keyboard or speaking over the internet. A person writing code for an app is doing a job that makes labor more efficient, not increasing the pool of labor in and of itself.
This is to say, the exact type of person who's job could be done at home is the most likely to become unemployed when the market takes a huge tumble, especially so when capital becomes diverted into critical services like doctors or factory workers.
This is why I disagree with what he said. He MAY be right as the world starts to recover a year(s) from now. People may get used to being a home and so working at home sees massive growth. It makes logical sense.
Side note, as I will point out that when men work from home, many start to devolve into sloppy unshowered neanderthals. A hidden reason why people travel to work.

>>17795540
everyone copes somehow, you can't keep a population locked up for long. What's after toilet paper?

>>17795569
Ackshually..... Everyone is locked up nowadays, by choice no less.... vidya, Netflix, TV, YT, FB, those fucking goddamn smartphones, if you have to go out it's rat racing to the office or factory or school or whatever, etc etc etc.... All locked up; no such thing as being outside if you live in a city if you really think about it. All you have to do if you're the govt is take that freedom away in exchange for coronachan and possibly martial law and the promise of safety of course, and pretty soon only hardcore retards will still wanna go out and stop a bullet or two with their fucking face. The groundwork is all there. Most people will eat that shit up. All that is needed is a little fearporn and propaganda and it's done, man. What, you really think muh militias are gonna do jack shit??? It is a very telling fact that without exception all the prepper fags with their bullets and guns have only one thing in mind, which is 'muh property, muh stuff, fuck off or get shot'. People are gonna be aching to lock down and get airdrops of rice and beans if shit gets to that point.
Anyways, it won't get that bad. Don't know how worried you really are, but if you really are that worried, remember, if you live in a place that isn't an absolute shithole, my wild guess is you'll be fine.

>>17790072
The articles you referenced seem to say something very different from what you have said.
"Taken together, the neuroinvasive propensity has been demonstrated as a common feature of CoVs."
The reason medium is the source for your hiv connection is because the article has not been published, and probably never will be published. Because instead of comparing t cells levels before and after infection t cell levels of patients with covid were compared to controls. They're mostly shit articles written by green doctors who want to have published an artlice with "covid" in the title.
Furthermore they make no claims that the virus shares any sequences with hiv. The nih article actually says this virus is a lot like Sars and mers (bug surprise!)
If you don't actually understand medicine you should take a little more care before you try to talk with authority about the topic.
Say something like, "I don't really understand the background science, but" as a preface next time.

>>17789505
let me guess. the recent rise in the market hurt you?

>>17795569
>you can't keep a population locked up for long
jail isn't bad and when you get computers and snacks it's awesome
I'd do this for months just to save some lives
people are faggots going out still it's just prolonging this disease

>>17795565
Yeah, agreed; more valuable, and more painfully scarce and necessary. Current means of production are no way near to where we can say 'alright, everybody just stay home now and it will all be great'. Production of foodstuffs and drugs (not to mention distribution) and really basic stuff like that will almost inevitably be significantly hindered by this shit; who knows how that will be worked out. Basically supply will go to shit, and demand will not disappear obviously.... one of the very last resorts will be eminent domain and total centralization of distribution if the situation really does go to absolute shit; this is just a guess of course, but seems to make sense. But in any case for that to actually happen so much other terrible stuff will have had to go down on the way there; dunno, just don't really see things getting even near that bad, at least not at this time. But then again, who the fuck saw coronachan coming six months ago? Possibly a handful of intellectuals and medfag experts, but no one else.....

>>17795565
>>17795569
Getting late, gotta get some sleep bros, boring crap to do tomorrow morning, catch you later, take care.

>>17796121
bye fren

Awesome fucking thread bumping for justice

This is some of the most useful discussion I’ve seen on this shit board since 2017

>>17795890
Its pointless bro, there's no stopping it.

If it makes you feel better, SK seems to indicate its less deadly than the 20% complications and 4% deaths number.

Its very possible most of us are already infected, seeing that people can not show symptoms at all and how things have evolved. We will find out in a week, I guess.

>>17789983
People at /pol/ at least make their LARPs with some effort unlike /biz/.

>>17796301
Here have an analysis post for the bump:

I'm betting things are gonna moon in the short term. Simply put, the Dems made this political and are trying to cause a panic. Fortunately for the Orange man, God made his enemies ridiculous.

The dems are so hated and the media cries wolf so much that I'm half thinking that the streets could be full of corpses and people would still "just a flu brah" cause the media and dems are just that bad at this.

On the other hand, the orange is a master of messaging. Look at how he dodged all the questions in the press conference earlier. Like him or not, he can be depended on to be... well, to put on a good show.

Been watching all the usual pundits going "PROBLEMATIC, GET TESTED DRUMPTF REE" and people have.. well, told em to go fuck themselves.

Plus, I can see Bernie and Biden not making it, but the Orange... well, germophobe master race might make it.

>>17796392

Sure brah, poo in loo is the epitome of effort.

Brb brrrrrrrr

>>17789505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEmX5HR9ZxU

>>17796392
Took a look at that pasta for lulz. Its nonsense. Viruses don't jump between species back and forth, what is this idiocy about brazilian bats?

Honestly, I buy the bioweapon angle more, and China of all people are now saying that it IS a bioweapon.

We also know China was trying to make em, about the lab, and about the viral espionage.

Doesn't change much at this point but... if based Bruce Willis jumps back, it wasn't the army of the 12 bats, it was the biolab across the street.

>>17789521
Shortening it to the Joe is funnier, stick with that.

>>17789983
if this larper is to be believed, he recommended biomedical and plastics. Many biomed stocks have been slammed alongside everything else. Anyone have any idea, specifically, which stocks he is talking about?

>>17789728
Someone confirm or refute this please. Will i have permanent immune sysyem heart, lung, muscle, or any other kind of permanent damage if i'm infected? I'm 30.

>>17789591
The virus is called SARS CoV 2, because it's very similar to SARS. It's less lethal so it's spreads more easily. If a virus has a high death rate like SARS and MERS, they go away way easier.

>>17796480
Vir biotechnology amd any other bio stock developing a vaccine is performing well.

>>17790493
You are already ded

>>17795919
I saw it 2 1/2 months ago.
And 2 months ago I bought food for it, among other things.
People are panic buying in Australia starting today. It was on the news.

Feels pretty good to be on a forum that allows you and me to predict outcomes months in advance. You just have to have a good compass for bullshit/lies/trolling and truth.

>>17796121
Good night big guy.

>>17795569
After toilet paper runs out, we start naming (((them)))

>>17796627
I can confirm. The HIV aspect is not the reinfection part (that never goes away called reverse-transcriptase), it's the immune-suppressant part that makes other illnesses more deadly.

>>17789728

This is complete horseshit. Also for anyone wondering about the 2nc wave, you are less likely to get it 2nd, and less likely to develop bad symptoms/if any.

The amount of retards in this board.

>>17796435
Still a better LARP than 99% of biz's.

>>17790926

Yes anon. This is numero uno. No one gives a fuck about kraken going awol if the world is hysterical.

>>17796414
Why do burgers always think their bullshit domestic politics actually matters on a global scale?

>>17793418
The markets were absurdly overbought (check historical RSI data on all of the majors indeces). In addition to this, the algos parsed the mounting pandemic news as sell signals and brought the beautiful house of cards down.

I started taking profits in December and /smg/ smuggly called me a retard doomer bear. Cashed out completely once Corona Virus Generals began appearing in /pol/.

>>17797251
We’re number 1 and you’re irrelevant, Yuro. We don’t think about you, ever.

>>17797299
>We don’t think about you, ever
You haven't been outside ever in your life?

>>17797312
I’ve traveled abroad quite a bit (mostly to Europe).

>>17789505
>the corona virus has had a massive impact on crypto prices
>In hindsight, it is fairly clear that this could have easily been predicted

you're a retard and have absolute 0 understanding of bitcoin and the real causes of the current price movements. c l u e l e s s.

ngmi

Fuck. Seeing this shit go down the way it's going makes me scared. The guy in the 'axe me a question Rothschild' thread was right after all.

>>17796480
ansel is a australia plastic and disposable glove manufacturer, also gilead science are a big pharma company that make remdesivir which is shown to be the only drug that alleviates some of the symptoms so far. i would suggest looking into biomed companies and if any one of them announced or even HINTS that they are close to a cure that stock is going to moon like a motherfucker. any anons know many bio tech companies post here

>>17789505
I don't think it was easily predictable from January. It looked like SARS 2.0 at the beginning. In the end it was probably brought by fewer than 10 fuckers who selfishly escaped quarantine controls in China and made it out of that shithole. Most cases in North America are probably from Europe by now.

It's probably not done in China yet, but since everyone is under lockdown, they can spread as much propaganda as they want.

This shit will be around for some time, but things should return to normal within two months with just better hygiene standards that will stick for a long time. If mankind wasn't full of retards, we could easily eliminate all infectious diseases with a bit of self-control and proper hygiene. Hopefully better hygiene becomes the new normal. But then again, it can potentially increase bacteria resistance through repeated exposure and mutation, so who knows.

I never try to predict stupidity because it's a fool's game, so I'm not sure on how to make money from this.

>>17795801
In my haste to reply, I found the medium article. It should have included relevant citations, but you can review this at your convenience: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

The HIV connection was one of the first things to come out back in January, when researchers started to realize the gravity of the situation.
You are right, I am not a medical researcher, however I think that the danger of this virus is being understated right now. My opinion is that this virus was a bioengineered strain, stolen by the Chinese from a Canadian lab, and either by accident or intentionally, made its way out of the lab in Wuhan.
Let me ask- have you ever seen such an extreme reaction from the world leaders, so very early on in a breakout like this? Are we supposed to believe this strain is fairly benign when the Chinese have been on full lockdown since day 1? They claim that everything is under control, and yet even the word “virus” is banned on Chinese internet. If things were okay, wouldn’t their gov’t want people to share their stories of the “recovery”?

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Morning everyone, glad to see our thread is still alive. Bumping for:

>Feels pretty good to be on a forum that allows you and me to predict outcomes months in advance. You just have to have a good compass for bullshit/lies/trolling and truth.

Das rite mane. If you've got the will and the patience, this place gives you superpowers.

>>17798114
>This shit will be around for some time, but things should return to normal within two months with just better hygiene standards that will stick for a long time.
>expecting India to embrace cleanliness
>India
>washing hands

Things 'returning to normal within two months' as you say is one of the worst things that could happen; with flights resumed, (a big part of the 'normal' you describe), roasties and soibois the world over will be flocking back to India as usual to 'find themselves' after the muh trauma of the initial chaos, thus ensuring coronachan will make her final comeback and follow us all to our fucking graves.

Granted, half-kidding with this, but half serious as well. India will surely soon be 10 times worse than Italy, chaotic and disorganized as ever.... No chance in hell they will be dealing with this properly on ANY level (including communication of stats to the rest of the world). They will be starved for tourism, and retarded Westerners will abide, if and when there is an apparent lull in coronachan's righteous fury.

Really think we should keep our eyes on India in the weeks or months to come. The unwitting revenge of the poo has evey potential to be catastrophic.

>>17794176
Because China literally reacted in the worst way which is why they had to resort to those things.
>notice virus going on that will be bad for business in a middle of a trade war
>threaten local doctors not to speak out or post about it
>oh shit they find out the hard way how bad this disease is
>panic even more and resort to extremes to seem more competent to the world
Yeah no, there is a reason it's worse in places like China, Italy, and Iran. I have been to all those places and they have poorly organized governments and poor hygene.

>>17800041
No it's not the worst thing to happen, it literally needs to happen because whether we like it or not globalism is definitely here and world health standards need to be made because if anything this proved how poorly prepared all countries are for a vital outbreak. This is the type of shit that brings cultural change.

>>17800096
>Viral outbreak
God I fucking hate phone posting.

>>17789591
With Sars you were only infectious when symptoms were showing. With Corona you are infectious for two weeks before symptoms show.

>>17795381
>>17795497
Retarded post, but if you couldn't understand that clearly you might have an intellectual disability

>>17800096
>Cultural change

>Fully propagandized, standardized and globalized technological society
>Culture
>pick one

Culture is long dead m8.

All you are really hoping for is for purely cold technical means to catch up with coronachan's chaotic misdeeds. All Western nations without exception have failed spectacularly in dealing with this appropriately, at least China went iron-fist there for a while, which just will not do in the West, what with muh human rights and muh freedom and all, not to speak of muh markets and stonks.
What you call cultural change will just be a severe adjustment of propaganda technique to an unforseen situation. There will be no cultural change whatsoever. Technical solutions to technical problems have fuck all to do with culture. Muh individualism and a century plus of evolving propaganda technique and means of dissemination thereof have wiped out all preexisting cultures.

>No it's not the worst thing to happen, it literally needs to happen

Yes, couldn't agree more, it DOES need to happen, but it won't, too little too late was done to stem the spread. The West is not prepared to do what it takes, unlike the bugmen at least attempted to due to their souless idiosyncracy, and shitholes like India will certainly undo any and all efforts by Western nations, due to their lack of organization, lack of infrastructure, and worship of literal filth.
This is why a lull is the worst thing that could happen: only compounded extreme tragedy will force the western powers to step up to the plate and go full draconian thus finally eliminating poor coronachan. If there is an actual lull, it will be the end of us; all the too-little-too-late retards in power will seize the chance to ease up on muh stay home from work and don't touch le face, and in this way keep the machine going, sealing our fate. Plus motherfucking India dispensing corona-riddled tourists back to every corner of the globe.

Sorry for the fucking blog post, but there it is.

https://archive.is/QIBmE

This pretty much confirms it is a bioweapon.

I got the covid right now by the way. It really feels weird.

There are a lot of cases of reinfected or with organ damage. I remember reading around january that people usually will recover and then a few days later will die. Dont know how truth theres in that but this is something else

>>17789505
I made multiple threads in mid February telling anons to buy airline and cruise put options to help them get rich and even explaining in detail what to do. Coronavirus means put options are great value because you have an unlimited supply of bad news and a guarantee it will play out over the next few months. No one listened to me and said that the fed would just print money to prop markets up or that airlines business wouldn't even be affected

I've since made 200k. Already cashed in 120k worth of my puts. Leaving the rest until airlines go bankrupt. Still not too late to get in anons

>>17800848
>few days later they will die
Yeah I remember that too, someone would be discharged from the hospital and just die a few days later, weren't there a bunch of cases in the west where patient that seemed stable and relatively healthy suddenly turned critical