/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17677033
>unemployment looks good
Its all part time jobs

Take a look at the unemployed chart and compare it to the 2008 crisis

>>17677033
This
https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Giant fucking ponzi scheme propped up by reckless borrowing.

Guess what, you can create jobs and employment and record-high share prices if you pump trillions of dollars of cheap loans out into the world. People will spend money buying shit that's unnecessary.

Now we're feeling the effects of relying on debt and speculation instead of actual supply-side growth.

>>17677033

Mmmm maybe continuous nonstop QE for 11 years along with permanently low interest rates and massively overvalued stocks wayyy beyond any realistic price to earnings ratio is a problem. That and real wages not increasing while housing, healthcare, education, and auto loans have skyrocketed could be an issue. Or massive wealth inequality fueled by Republitard cut taxes and deficit spend forever, future be damned. Pick all or some of the above. Add the fact Millenials are not breeding and buying shit because the Boomer Republicans strangle them to that as well.

>>17677033
>what's wrong with the economy
There's a state, the workers don't own the means of production, and billionaires exist

>>17677033
Central banking and the fact that "money" isn't limited.

>>17677159

>>17677033
When goods aren't moving, people aren't traveling, workers aren't working, nobody is making money.

This is what happens when you rely on an economy based entirely on debt and speculation.

>>17677159
Fuck off commie. You'll be late to the bread line.

But seriously endless growth isn't sustainable on a planet with finite resources, so sooner or later every companies profit will plateau and the market will shit itself and die

>>17677033
fiat = slavery

>>17677033
Declining EROEI, the energy simply does not exist to power the post-WW2 boomer lifestyle so we try and make up for it with debt, which is only a temporary illusion

Literally just basic thermodynamics but people refuse to entertain the idea because of the horrifying consequences

>>17677159

Based. Neosyndicalism is the way.

>>17677202
Growth is sustainable, inflation isn't. GDP growth isn't real growth.

>>17677033
The economy is fundamentally wrong. It's all speculative debt driven growth.

It’s infested with parasites

>>17677131
Because there is no fucking supply-side growth.

>>17677233
So you are admitting that those who profit from increased GDP are charlatan parasites, good

>Is it just the doomers bullshitting or what?
yes. I recommend ignoring everything they say if you want to make money

>>17677167
>money" isn't limited.
how do you maintain liquidity of trade and prevent even worse wealth inequality without an inflationary currency

>>17677245
Agreed, the rich and their enslaved sycophants(/biz/) must be culled

>>17677245

>>17677271
People want goods. They'll pay for goods that they want if they can afford it. That's your liquidity. People aren't gonna stop buying stuff just because their savings are becomming more valuable over time.

>>17677033
Late stage capitalism. That’s literally it.

>>17677245

agreed

>>17677339
It's actually late stage socialism. This bubble was created by central banks manipulating the markets. Markets should be free.

Have you retards not even seen the oil price war going on between Saudi Arabia and Russia? That's the major reason why the market fell so much today.

>>17677359
Turns out words mean whatever anon wants them to

>>17677359
>Socialism is when central banks manipulate markets

>>17677359
>socialism
Stop using words you don't know the meaning of.

>>17677380
Shhh let them think it's the Coronavirus, it's funny to watch them pretend to be competent at economics

>>17677328
>People aren't gonna stop buying stuff just because their savings are becomming more valuable over time.

With a deflationary currency companies have no incentive to pay a wage at all for unskilled labor, it would instead be more cost effective to simply provide housing and food for their workers instead of a wage... which is hugely inefficient for the economy but will save them from having to spend their valuable cash. The velocity of money will hugely decrease and with it the rate of growth

>>17677090
I mean, does anyone think any country with a sizable debt can actually climb out of it?

>>17677145

This is the only poast that comes close to a good explanation.

>>17677403
We memed Ron Paul for too long

>>17677186
This
Imaginary Jewish economy

>>17677359
Imagine being this much of a retard. Socialism is workers’ ownership of the means of production.

>>17677090
Wow that link is cool, but it must be fake since the debt in the year 2000 is constantly increasing as well, which makes no sense

>>17677403
It might as well be. Central planning doesn't work. Socialists want to solve problems caused by central planning with more central planning.

>>17677033
>Fundamentally speaking
They're propping up the global economy with monopoly money. Frankly, it's hilarious.

>>17677145
This.. do normies even realize we've literally been bailing out the banks on a monthly basis for over a decade?

>>17677145
>>17677432
Replace republicans with jews

>>17677033
the whole thing is a giant ponzi scam
watch Bill Still's "The Money Masters", bitch,

the economy is realizing there are wooden doors holding us all in

>>17677033
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_35FTnYVA

>>17677033

I never thought Trump's economy looked good. Job numbers are not better than Obama's. Maybe workforce participation is great but only slightly better than Obama. GDP numbers are worse than Obama. The current 2% GDP growth is not even "good." Inflation is worse, whether you measure it by CPI or real inflation which is off the charts (closer to 10% by the chapwood index and others). Not even stocks are that great. Average return even at ATH in jan was about the same as Obama, just more volatile (big crash in '18, big recovery in '19). Now stocks are of course much worse than Obama.

So I don't get why people think Trump's economy ever looked good, even in January. I thinks its more of a stereotype that the Reagan style big government, spend more, tax less, print money policy is good for the economy. Combined with the bounce back from the 2018 crash, maybe that's why people got euphoric.

So you have an economy that is growing at 2%, with real prices increasing almost 10%. How does that look good? Sounds like a recession. Technically, we've been in a recession for about two years now with GDP growth consistently well below inflation. After corona, prices will probably head up even more and productivity will drop even more. The real question is will this ongoing recession become a full blown depression, and how long can the government keep the wool over people's eyes by printing money to keep the digits going up, even though most people's quality of life is getting worse and worse. Maybe like frogs boiling in water, they'll never notice until its gets real bad.

>>17677260

Exactly, that's the whole problem.

>>17677225

Isn't this just peak oil? How does EROEI economics account for the wild swings in oil prices that are clearly due to political reasons, not economic factors? And how can debt buy things that we don't have the energy to make?

I understand the idea of spending money to create bullshit unnecesary jobs through credit but how can we do that if we don't have the energy to sustain it?

Watch the interbank short term lending market, once that blows we'll have our Lehman Brothers 2.0 event.. and it's getting close, real close. I advised my family today to remove any excess savings they had at Chase and Wells Fargo immediately, better safe than sorry

>>17677580
But what's the solution?

>>17677577
This is pretty insightful, ty for the write-up

>>17677604
Gold standard. No central banks.

>>17677604
tallysticks

>>17677064
Oh vey, goyim, you work full time or we gonna make life difficult for you!

>>17677159

>>17677629
A bitcoin standard would actually work better without fixing every currency at 1oz of gold = 35USD

>>17677090
There are only 6 countries in the world that have a Debt-to-GDP ratio higher than the US, and only 2 of them aren't complete shitholes (Portugal and Singapore). Think about that.

>>17677315

>>17677533

Poster who write the original comment, no. My parents both have professional degrees and while smart enough to pull their 401k from the market in the last two weeks put 25% back in on Sunday despite me begging them not to. They say Trump will save them. Trying to keep them from doing anything more retarded but it's hard. I'm glad Crypto taught me to be risk-averse as fuck.

>>17677580
There's no such thing as supply side growth. Supply side economics is a fucking sham and always has been

>>17677783
And imagine how much it will explode to the upside with this coronavirus shit.

>>17677775
Are you seriously posting boomer memes from Facebook? Gtfo

>>17677033
>unemployment looks good
My ass looks better, having an ever increasing amount of people needing to work two or even three jobs just to make ends meet is not good in the slightest. That combined with banks and businesses still getting bailout shekels to this day means we’re all teetering on a very fine line of experiencing something that’ll make 1929 look like the wealthiest year ever over the slightest major slip up. Normalfags will either eat all of it up because muh trump is bidnesman or le trump is baesd xD, not realizing just how fucking worse everything is becoming.
Tick tock motherfuckers, hope you retards stocked up on canned goods and bullets.

>>17677033
Jobs never mean shit. Even if people are productive, they consume more than they produce.

>>17677064
>unemployment looks good
>Its all part time jobs

Also the average work week is only 34.4 hours because Obama killed the 40 hour work week, which isn't great if you are paid hourly.

>The Bureau of Labor Statistics tracks how many hours per week the average American works and releases that information as part of the monthly Employment Situation Summary. According to the most recent data (May 2019), Americans worked an average of 34.4 hours per week.

>>17677033
White people. White people are what’s wrong with the economy and the world. White people enslaved generous brown people, raped them, beat them, because white people are greedy and scared of everything. The native Indians say when all the animals shared their knowledge with humans the animals shared their knowledge of fear to white people. Now white people are afraid of everything and always come up with some new scheme to one up everyone and nature while maintaining continuous war—war against Asians, war against Muslims, war against natives, war against communism, war against terror. All the while being hateful, hating Jews, hating Asians, hating blacks, just gook this, chink that, nigger nigger, kike. No other race does it as much as the white trash. And other races stood aside and quietly tolerated it because they didn’t want any trouble and could see the psychosis of the white man, the mental retardation, the paranoia, the schizophrenia. You can’t argue with stupidity so other races left. Where they couldn’t leave and were pursued by colonialism, they quietly tolerated it and gave out of love in hope that the white man would eventually see the error of his ways, but the mental disease was too strong, and the white man saw it as weakness and conquered more. Thanks, white man.

>>17677993
Where did Chad touch you, anon?

>>17678031
You mean white chad? He touch me in my peepee and poopoo, but th-th-that’s ok cuz he’s w-w-white, r-right?

>>17677145
this..and only this

> Yo Mike, you seriously stayed in the market dude? Forreal? Man, I told you last month dude. Well, keep it on the down low man, stuff like that can cost you a promotion around here. If you ever need a couch to crash on I've got you man, friends for life.

>>17677805
>noooooo you can't point out that the entire banking system is dominated by jews!!! noooo

>>17677145
This
>>17677533
No they do not.

>>17677418
>tfw if bitcoin goes to a million i will literarily have wagie slaves

>>17677577
Yeah... We're boned.

>>17678146
What's the difference between jewish millionaires and other millionaires?

>>17677359
Point at the retard and laugh

>>17678146
Good for them. Try to make a better effort ending the banking system going forward.

>>17677993
>whites are evil!
>I better travel on foot across the Sahara and take a rubber raft across the Mediterranean to go live with them!

>>17678272
>replying as if that was a serious post

>>17677145
>republican
I THINK YOU MEAN ISARELI SUPPORTING JEEEEEWWWSSSSSS

>>17677033
In september I actually sold off most of what I had in the market at a profit because trump was bragging about the stock market which he doesnt have control over, and it just felt like "it's doing too good" So with the powers that be wanting to bury him I figured some behemoths would sell a bunch of stuff off to try to trigger a downturn. That may or may not have happened, but happened with corona. Then I bought back in during february cause corona had started up and the markets seemed unphased

>>17677805
IDZ DA J00000000000Z

>>17678397

Side stepped the melt up just to ride the crash down. Brutal.

>>17677359
>>17677393
>>17677403
>>17677403

Central Banking and debt creation from fractional reserve banking is one of the main tenets of communism. Socialism just leads to communism.

>>17677033
What's wrong with this economy? What's right. This entire thing was propped up by borrowed public money for the rich.

>>17678462
I sold in September too based on the absurd housing bubble I see all around me.
I won't be buying in until the DOW approaches 15000

>>17677783
japan has a higher debt to gdp ratio

>>17678619
Stagflation on the loose since the early 90s.

>>17678604

Oh I thought you were saying you sold sep and bought feb.

>>17677359
>It's actually late stage socialism

>>17677033
>What's wrong with the economy?
coronavius is the main cause. it's making people do less. that has a HUGE effect on the economy. Nobody is pending money.

>>17677145
>Boomer Republicans

you were so close, retard.

>>17677033
Our economy is no longer producing anything of value. For the past couple of decades we let women into the workforce which completely changed the focus of good employees from the amount of effort they put in to how attractive and charismatic they are. The people at the top are now good looking moronic douchebags (mostly accountants) who don't know how to spur innovation or make their companies more efficient internally. They only know how to cut costs which destroys quality and the company as a whole over time. The worst part is the CEO accountants figured out how to make killing these companies profitable.

You make more money killing America than helping build it because of bullshit corporatism and the federal reserve.

>>17678817
This. And as soon as a problem you can't talk your way out of came along, say a virus, we were going to get fucked.
We are currently in the process of getting fucked.

>>17677033
>What's wrong with the economy?
I haven't read the correct answer ITT yet...
We are dealing with centuries old debt, why do you think gold was taken from the people back in the 30's? It's surety upon the debt of the nation. These debts were created by war then never paid. The beautiful part about the plan is when they removed the ability to pay they also removed ownership. Now true ownership is impossible. So the rules of this world now own everything, what is left for them to take as surety on this national debt? the only thing left to be taken is hope. they already own you, via Certificates, a document of ownership.
The creditor of the nations control the nations. we are bankrupt.

>>17677033
>Fundamentally speaking, what's wrong with the economy?
We outsourced it to china and made the whole fucking house of cards contingent on "lean" supply chains that can handle any sort of crisis.

>>17677145
>republicans
the word you were looking for was jews but you got close

the uncomfortable truth is that we need to win another war. Sorry pussies, but that's the way it is.

Bombing camel fuckers every 12 years isn't enough anymore

>>17678817

That's a result of poor government policies and low interest rates, which makes unproductive, normally unprofitable things profitable in nominal terms. So you get huge, bloated zombie industries that use up massive amounts of labor but don't actually produce anything of real value to society. They are only profitable from an opportunity cost perspective.

I generally think the economy itself is fine. People have jobs (albeit a lot of shitty gig economy jobs), debt is cheap, and geopolitically we're better off than most other countries purely from a skills/infrastructure/positional perspective. That said,
>>17677586
This is the closest answer, imo. The eurodollar market is fucking terrifying and could easily become a house of cards. In practice, the Fed uses the repo market to provide liquidity to banks, which then becomes shadow money as an interbank loan to smaller banks. If enough smaller banks crash, then the big banks become insolvent and collapse, bringing most of the financial system down with it. This could easily happen with a black swan event like coronavirus, or oil dropping 30%, or any major geopolitical intervention in the countries that owe that interbank debt.

i hate that other men are cumming inside of girls while im only allowed to cum onto tissues

>>17677033
standard of living has been going down since the 80's

stock market has to correct to 1980s levels it be a buy

since we got off the gold standard the government has become so large we cannot afford it as a society

homelessness, harder to get out of the rat race, no family formation - these are all symptoms of the problem

there is really no reason to ever buy stocks again unless these fundamentals change
(we have more freedom and we can afford our government or it is restrained somehow)

since that is not going to happen its best to get into crypto/alternative economy

>>17677426
the whole economy is based on the premise that we can

apparently, we will get so much growth that we will just pay it off in one go

this is what boomtards actually believe

>>17677993
yes yes! genocide them all!

>>17678971
>Bombing camel fuckers every 12 years isn't enough anymore
Where else do you wage war though? Nukes made imperialism impossible. If you try to bully another country that has nukes the entire planet ceases to exist. Have you ever heard of this thing called the cold war?

>>17679334
Theres no fucking way anyone actually believes that dude.

>>17677033
Too low profitability on productive investment, leading to >>17677186

>>17679419
Then you can't talk yourself into owning a treasury, but they are at all time low yields

if people think the US will default on its debt, either outright or by devaluing their currency (inflation) the yields should be way up in double digits

The markets are capable of being irrational as fuck.

>>17677586

Whats happening with Wells fargo?

t. account holder

>>17677191
sounds like an anarchist that wants to rob rich people

>>17677209
when cops enforce the fiat rules and jail you for being poor it is unfuckingironically slavery

>>17677284
where are all these hippie retards coming from?

>>17677418
get the fuck out of here Maynard

>>17677783
>poortugal
>not a complete shithole


lel

>>17677090
>https://www.usdebtclock.org/
fuck i aint paying that
boomers can keep it

>>17678362
>>17678915
Whats the actual difference between a Republican and a Zionist? Nothing, that's what.

>>17679264
Underrated post

>>17677432
i really feel like some texture is missing from that...

>>17677805
This, but unironically

>>17677993
>barbery slave trade
>black on white crime
>welfare state solely funded by middle class white men
>export all sorts of aid to brown people all over the world

>>17680231
Big and true (not that democrats are any better for all you miga retards)

>>17677033
poor people, which is why Ferrum will moon just like Raiblocks in 2017.

>>17678192
the other millionaires earned theirs

>average white IQ is 100
>average ashkenazi jew IQ is 115
>snowniggers complain that jews are over represented among millionaires
you guys realize you sound like niggers that complain there are not enough black people in STEM or shit like that, right?

>>17677145
>massive wealth inequality
yep looks like double-digit IQ

>>17677225
EROEI is the stupidest thing I've ever come across. We don't use energy to explore for energy, we use money to explore. EROEI hasn't been used in an E&P company since about a week after it was first used, once we all realised it's bullshit.

Maybe it's basic thermodynamics on the scale of multiple millennia or million years, but it doesn't feature at all on our timescale. As long as the value of a barrel goes up, more resources will become viable. You have no idea of how many big discoveries have been buried and saved for later

>>17677033
The amount "we" owe the federal reserve is 23 trillion, give or take, and the amount of money supply is 16 trillion, and actual dollars is more like 6 trillion..

>>17680566
stem is mostly white goys and chinks you filthy kike
Apply for a teaching job at Harvard to teach 18 year old how to be transgendered, your last name will get you in Schlomo

>>17678146
>noooooo you can't point out that the entire banking system is dominated by jews!!! noooo

China has a lot of big banks with global influence and no Jewish people at all. In fact, of the few religions that the communist party allows to exist in China Judaism is not one of them.

Checkmate anti-semite, go back to /pol/.

>>17680848
>he doesn’t know about Rittenberg
>he doesn’t know about the German Jew diaspora to Shanghai during WW2
https://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/11/shanghais-forgotten-jewish-past/281713/

>>17677921
I have ~3500 rounds of 7.62x39 and 60 cans of Spam. Am I gonna make it?

>>17680890
>Today, few would guess that this quintessentially Chinese city once played host to a bustling community of over 20,000 Jews.
>once played host to a bustling community of over 20,000 Jews.
>once
>Article is titled "Shanghai's Forgotten Jewish Past"
>past

I reiterate:
>China has a lot of big banks with global influence and no Jewish people at all.

Thanks for playing though.

>>17680030
its a great place to live

>>17677033
>What's wrong with the economy?
Are you new here?

>>17680954
Ya got water?

>>17680954
based

there are three fundamental issues with the economy:

1. increasing inequality due to stagnant wage growth and the loss of jobs that can be done by morons - the elimination of the middle class

2. no significant growth in productivity since the 90s means there is nowhere for businesses to invest - they are using historically low interest rates just to pay dividends and buy back shares rather than stimulate the economy

3. exploding asset prices due to point number 2 - the lack of investment opportunities means people have no choice but to plow their money in to real estate and index funds

>>17677131
how can i become this smart u are very smart

>>17677033
trannies in the work place

would you invest money in someone that was voluntarily castrated?

my company pushed tranny inclusion all last month, even in the q4 report. Tanking since they brought on a new woman CEO down 48 in last month i am tired of this dumb shit

>>17677501
>>17677406
>>17678765
Fucking faggots. Socialism leads to comunism and according to Lenin, 90% of initializing Communism is done through the establishment of a Central Bank. Go the fuck back to Plebbit, fags

>>17678975
You misunderstand what he is saying.
Promoting social skills financially and reproductively is dysgenic. It's what birds do, and birds are not the apex predators of anything.

>>17677033
Motherfucker are you retarded or do you really believe Netflix is going to make as much money as they did last year, for the next 90 years? Because that's the same as being retarded.

>>17677993
based

If you wanna talk globally we've been too reliant on "just in time" supply chains. Part of what you're seeing right now with global markets is the inevitable shock from when China shut down a lot of the country a month ago. All the little nuts and bolts needed to make everything dried up.

>>17680566
STEM is 99% white and asian. If anything, a 100 is pretty amazing given how much hicks would drag that number down

>>17677159
based and breadpilled

>>17681486
>based

>>17677033
Real inflation is 10$. If you make $100k today it's like you made $50k in 2010. If you live in NYC that's like making $30k adjusted for cost of living. Making $100k is a lot of work. Working for $100k for $30k value is not worth working at all. If working for $100k doesn't make sense in the financial capital of the world, what part of this economy is even real?

>>17681831
i wonder who is behind this

>>17681831
With your math, someone earning 30k lives like they made 15k in 2010, sorry but that's just patently false. It really boils down to when you make more you want nicer shit and increase your own cost of living alongside your income.

>>17677033
Overdependence on 2-3 industries
(military, energy, tech), that are actually inherently volatile, and interlinked meaning small movements have huge feedback loops.
Bloated financial sector and shrinking stable employment mean that uncertainty abounds which is shitty for 99% of Americans.
At the heart of it there is also the fact that there are no real investments for middle class Americans. The closest thing to investment for C1-C2 is property which is grossly overpriced and crashes every 10 years.
All of this isn't a bug of course, its a feature and has been since the 60s. So it isn't that the economy "doesn't work", it's that it doesn't work for you.

>>17677033
Also the dip is nothing to do with covid-19, it was a game of chicken between Russian and Saudi oil firms, the Coronadip hasn't happened yet, it'll happen when the states and most of the Eu lock down.

Here is your guide to REAL economics.

>Supply is set up like fucking factorio, a supply shock in China literally freezes the whole machine
>Only actual production growth in the US has been oil from fracking, massive sector of economy can be fucked by saudi-iran price wars
>Proper analogy for 2008: We are struck by an asteroid. It hurts but we rebuild. We do not acknowledge that asteroids are bad or give any thought to several other asteroids we can see.

some combination of these three things

this is it bros, get ready for the revolution

>>17677033
tax season retards bought in wanting to get rich quick . got spooked sold at a loss

>>17677033
The fed has been fucking us all in the ass with MMT and QE.

>>17677033
Too much borrowing, too many bubbles (cars, homes), and most importantly:
Too much globalization.

The US FFS allowed PPE manufacturers (3M, Scott, etc) to export production to China. Fucking anything that isn't a full blown gas mask is made in China
>3M N95's and P100 disposables = China
>Every disposable and most half face respirators, most nitrile glove and medical PPE production = China
>Anti-Viral, HIV/AIDS, immunobooster, and other medication production = China\

The only thing actually made in the US - Full Face Gask Mask respirators

>>17677202
>But seriously endless growth isn't sustainable on a planet with finite resources
Yes

>>17677233
Uh, GDP is deflated to a base year when you calculate it. Which base year is used is always stated. How about you pick up a book, commie fuck?

>>17677033
If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.

>>17677033
Government intervention and socialists blaming socialism failing on capitalism

>>17677033
Tendency of the rate of profit to fall.

>>17678514
You are either braindead or a paid shill. This one drank too much fluoride water.

>>17681309
You are clearly obsessed with central banking. Do you know that our current mode of production is way larger than central banking? It requires a State, private property of the means of production, wage labor, money, delegation of power throught representative democracy. Central banking is only a part of our current system, but i don't know you cucks focus solely on this. I also was mainly focused around central banks, it was until around 2014 i think. Being out of date in the internet era, especially on 4chan is pathetic. By the way, but of course you didn't noticed it, central banks didn't take control of Capitalism, Capitalism required and still want central banks. But as usual, you are lost in causality reversal.

>>17681026
It isn't. Mother Spain is superior.

>>17677993
Woah dude, never saw it that way before. Things will definitely be better when whites are gone, so you have that to look forward to!

>>17677033
The economy is being propped up for the sole benefit of boomers while all other generations are eating shit, and now there's a plague out there which basically kills boomers exclusively

>>17679965
Various leftypol retards that think using a market pullback they can convince /biz/raelis that funding shanequa's 10 nigger babies with taxes is good and will usher in a fantasy socialist future. Extremely low IQ use of time.

>>17681301
how does sexual reproduction correlate with the workplace at all? go back to pol retard

>>17680566
Jew have higher average IQ, but are such a small population that statistically, using well validated IQ bell curve distributions, they should still be a distinct minority in all of the places where clearly racial nepotism has been used to achieve grossly outsized representations. That is why they are so prominent in accusing white Europeans of racism, they do it so much themselves that they can't comprehend that whites actually bought into anti-racism.

>>17677033
>supply chain disruption
>demand weak
>shale btfo
>inability to raise rates due to outstanding debt
>out of options in case of severe downturn
basically instability

>>17677159
You really should kill yourself.

>>17684844
holy fuck based

>>17681026
Fuck off, we're full

>>17679419
Everyone just kind of agrees not to think about it too much.

>>17677990
>average 34.4
>average

>>17684844
Okay comrade.

>>17680566
>Average IQ of Israel - 96