/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17670326
It's the classic CT advice: JUST HODL

>>17670326
is this guy retarded?

>>17670349
It's true though. Stocks have actual value. They pay dividens and they have equity. Market price only matters if you plan to buy or sell.

>>17670358
Explain how he's wrong, faggot? Those who didn't sell still own the underlying and only have to DCA or wait until their gains on paper recover.

>>17670388
Dividends is a meme to get morons not to sell.Everyone should be bailing rn.

>>17670388
do dividend payments go down when the stock price goes down? sorry ive never bought a stock in my life, only crypto.

>>17670326
Ok this is epic

This >>17670408 was meant for >>17670358

Additionally, >>17670388 is right.

Didn't Bezos sell most of his Amazon stocks in the fall?
..i-is he behind the Corona virus? in some twisted revenge for his expensive divorce or the online bullying he has been a victim of?

>>17670414
>income is a meme

>>17670445
Wheres your income now?

>>17670326
Ben "Ethnostate for me, but not for thee" Shapiro

>>17670408
It makes sense on a certain level while being brainlet as fuck on another. By his reasoning all you have to do is HODL everything forever and you'll never lose money in the stock market.

>>17670441
Bezos sold his stock to fund that climate change charity.

>>17670480
You only have to HODL good companies and you never lose money. The trick is picking the good companies.

Problem is that people werent buying stocks for their cash flows or capital appreciation, but for multiple expansion. Another 50% down can happen.

>>17670414
>profit is a meme
Found the commie bastard.

>>17670534
Some people were. It's the people who weren't who're losing money. This crash was predictable.

>>17670462
Dividends are not based on the stock price, dum dum.
Go back to /pol/

>>17670521
These are the people buying stocks in 2020. The amount of carnage forthcoming will be for the record books.

>>17670326
“Yes goyim, leave your shekels with mr Ezra Sheklesberg, he will look after your retirement”

>>17670579
Right, people who bought low debt companies with good fundamentals like Southwest, EOG, 3M will be fine.

>>17670595
What's the problem with my logic? If a companies still doing well and it's selling for cheap why shouldn't I buy it?

>>17670595
Fuck right off you doomer commie tranny board raiding freak.

>>17670492
so he directly traded money for political influence in a radical movement, moments before an economic and political crisis were to appear and disrupt the system greatly increasing the likelihood for radical political movements to obtain control over the state.

Bezos is one twisted fuck, but you gotta respect the game he is playing, he is basically just playing single player at this point.

>>17670326
>Its only a loss if you sell

/biz/ knows better by now

Can you pay for things in stocks? Because now they cant exchange those stocks for as much currency...which means they've lost wealth. Which means they've lost influence.

Deal with it neocon jew-nigger

>>17670623
Buy companies with solid balance sheets and good margins and you'll be fine.

Ben Shapiro is the embodiment of every smarmy 17 year old on the high school debate team who thinks that they're the smartest person in the world because they have quite literally just discovered that you can make an argument for anything. The difference is that those kids usually grow out of it.

>>17670661
You can get paid for holding stocks. If you're betting on the market price going up or down, you're not investing, you're speculating.

>>17670462
Wow you're really stupid. Do you think socialism could work?

>>17670326
Look at the boomer, it's afraid.

>>17670786
Boomer? Dude is 36

>>17670623
what companies are doing well? they are all levered up on debt to do stock buy backs?

>>17670326
Reminder: paper profits aren't real money

>>17670592
Serious: what are they based off?

>>17670326
NO NO NO PLEASE DON'T SELL YOUR USELESS STOCKS GOYIM PLEASE HODL I WANT NUMBER TO STOP GOING DOWN

>>17670647
we'd all play that game if we could

>>17670358
Yes

>>17671252
profits

Bezos basically got that 150m house for free now

>>17670326
Also people haven't made profits unless they sell

>One dollar is always worth one dollar so it never loses value

>>17670326
Kek the cope is brilliant

>I am incredibly wealthy due to my stock portfolio
>Stock portfolio dumps into oblivion
>ACTUALLY I HAVENT LOST ANYTHING BECAUSE I HAVENT SOLD YET

If youre going to claim to be wealthy due to your investments (ie your unrealised gains), then you can fucking accept being poor when they go to shit. Not that any of the guys this post is talking about are poor yet, but Ben's point is utterly retarded.

>>17670326
If you assume dollars are money, they're not, then you've actually lost money the moment you buy stock. As is the case all the other times you buy things.

>>17670521
>The trick is picking the good companies
Bro you just solved stonks, bravo

>>17670326
Ben repeating the lamest cope in the book. You lost money, your asset lost value meaning you lost money.

>>17671481
Aw, christ. Here comes some fag arguing semantics about "money" and "currency".

>>17670424
They can. Stock price typically go down because perception of the company had decreased. If people see the company poorly because of valid reason (like they won't be able to earn as much money), then a company might decrease its dividends.

>>17670623
>it's easy if you do the hard parts right
yeah ok fag

>>17670521
>The trick is picking the good companies.

If that's the case, no one would be losing money in the stock market. Everyone thinks they've picked "good" companies.

>>17670358
yes, more than any other prominent political commentator

Guys, just hold to zero, that way you never lose any actual money.

>>17671252

The company needs money in order to pay money out, so it comes from profits.

>>17670326

MAGA AM I RITE GUYS?

>>17671252
The profit of the company

If markets worked perfectly rationally, dividends and share price would be perfectly correlated.

But because the stock market is all smoke up your ass bullshit, the price of shares gets decoupled from the actual value of the underlying company and, at least for the past few days, many companies shares have been leagues more valuable than the actual books of the companies.

Just because a companies share price nosedives It doesn't actually affect the companies ability to operate and make a profit (at least in the short run).

>>17670358
yes, but he's not wrong here

>>17670358
Ben Shapiro? It's hard to tell, his audience is retarded, though.

>>17670441
dude still makes like 1.6 billion every day

>>17670326
Is this guy actually retarded?

>>17670326
BS is a retard. They lost a fuckton of buying power.

>>17670408
Copium

>>17671457
100 fucking percent this

>>17670326

value vs money
/thread waste of time

>my car is on empty, but unless I try to start the engine, it doesn't mean that there's actually no gasoline in it

>>17670326
Unironically a bigger sell signal than the Dow Jones dropping 1k points in a single day

>>17670647
What the fuck does the Corona virus have to do with climate change and why would climate change movements gain traction from it?

>>17674069
Most revolutions take place in the context of political and economic instability/chaos.
Weimar Republic, Bolshevik taking control of Russia, Formation of communist China, etc.
The only exception that comes to mind are the Iranian revolution.

The climate change is in some aspects a revolutionary movement, because in it's most extreme form it will radically change society e.g. outlawing fossil fuel in a short timespan.

>>17674210
Feels like a weak connection, brah.

>>17670358
he is, he also laughs at his own jokes

>>17674234
If you can't conjure up weak conspiracy theorist on 4chan, about Bezos scheming to become dictator over the US, then he has already won..

>>17674335
No I mean, he's obviously doing that, I just don't think climate change and Corona is gonna be the thing that does it. I think he bet on the wrong horse this time.

Why is everyone calling him retarded?
Selling stocks at a lower value is a permanent loss, which can never turn into a gain because you sold
Retaining stocks at lower value is a temporary loss, which could turn into a gain with time meaning that it's no longer a loss
It all depends on what your definition of "losing money" is as it relates to stocks
>>17673973
Poor comparison
Stocks with shit price can increase in value on its own
Near-empty gas won't increase in gas level on its own; you have to fill the car

>>17674592
The purchasing power has been lowered, so you can't start the engine of the car because there's no gasoline in it. There might be more gasoline in it in the future, if you go buy a can and fill it, but as it stands, the tank is empty, whether you want to start the engine or not. He's just being a smug jew showcasing his skill in talmudry.

>muh boomer rigged scam will go up forever, therefore all dips will recover quickly

millennials will be left holding the heaviest bags in human history in 20 years after boomers die off. you finally pay off your student loan debts at age 40, purchase your first home a decade later than your parents, and proceed to watch it immediately halve in value creating an entire generation of the pink wojaks

>>17670623
You're the shoe shine kid.

>>17675024
pic fucking related also. these niggers know literally nothing other than a vertical bull market

>>17670358
>Ben Shiapiro
>Retarded

Gee I dunno anon

>>17670414
>sell low buy high
baste retard

>>17670326
Snarky little jew too arrogant to see his casino game is broken and it's not getting fixed.

>>17670326
If they hold stocks, they don't hold money at all.

>>17670326
KWAB
Try finding a trading partner at last weeks prices, brainlet.

>>17675024
Only because millenials are incompetent retards with no balls. 95% of the people under 35 that I work with are bugman morons, there's absolutely no way our economy can function with these people in charge.

>>17675024
>>17675279
>It goes up or on until it doesn't.
Starting at the end of this madness, wealth will travel from weak hands into strong hands on an unpredented scale.

>>17675458
People ages 28-35 are the worst ""humans" I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with. At least with my Gen Z bros I can say nigger and have serious discussions about fascism.

>stock market averaged 10% returns over the past century
>BUT THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT, THE MARKET WILL NEVER RECOVER AGAIN REEEEE
most people on /biz/ will die poor
"The stock market is a device for transferring money from the impatient to the patient." - Warren Buffett
Just dollar cost average and stay the course

>>17675520
>"The stock market is a device for transferring money from the impatient to the patient." - Warren Buffett
Or the (((ones simply in the know))), which is also Buffett.

>>17675458
>>17675512
>millennials are hated by Gen Z, Gen X and Boomers at the same time
success breeds jealousy

>>17670326
>>17675432
Oh and also pitch that to your broker that holds your margin account, Ben.
also
>samefagging hard like it's viagra

>>17675024
>>17675458

Also this doesn't necessarily imply an impending crash, more likely a long period of slowed growth or stagnation with increased wealth disparity, eventually resulting in the west being less competitive and having less influence on the global market.

>>17675622
Success at what? Pissing away income on disposable consumerist bullshit, "luxury" services, and 4year summer camp "degrees" to keep up with the joneses and be nigger rich at 30 years old? Goaded into by boomers it or not, millenials still bear the responsibility of the wealth transfer.

Who bought those grubhub orders? Who leased those cars? Who took those loans? They are legal adults with free will that act like fucking children. Deflect all they want, in the end it comes down to whose signature is on that line.

>>17674741
This is a stupid analogy because it doesn't actually speak to when investors bought in. If I bought in at 5 dollars a share, it shot to 100, then dropped to 30 (still a profit) the news would still report that as losing 70 dollars because i doubt it looked into the buying point of and just looked at holistic drops from high to low.

>>17670326
Ben Shapiro is a sophist kike

Yea, you tell em Ben!
I didn't lose $5k yet because I'm still holding in to the VET I put based it with even if it's value got btfo! I still have that $5k!

:)))))

>>17670326
>just baghold for 10 years to break even bro

>>17676342
Yes.

>>17670358
Just small

>>17670326
fiat is not money.

>>17676439
Holy fuck that’s funny!

>>17670358
like Jordan Peterson he is just another retard who stood up against trannies once

>>17676452

>>17675512
Boomers obviously make terrible parents.

>>17670358
Absolutely. He gets off on “debating” college freshman and calling anything he doesn’t like “socialism.”

>>17670441
No. He owns 16% of Amazon.

>>17676832
I agree but why? Was the west already lost back then?

>>17676965
You know it was pretty bad because they got away with killing JFK. Throughout the Vietnam war they made lots of progress on changing the culture.

>>17670408
yeah, bagholders havent lost a dime on those $0.00 stoncks, just dont sell!

>>17676071
See ya in hell, boomer!

>>17670408
Bloomberg obviously is talking about networth. While Ben Israelite-pinaro is talking about realised gains.

>>17670358
https://youtu.be/3BPsRE2flm0?t=460
7:40

>>17677836
how much does an underwater home cost?

>>17670326
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2020/03/09/the-1-good-reason-to-check-your-401k-right-now.aspx

This one rocks. 'Please don't check your 401k today. Also please pay more in'.

>>17670441
Nah he just did it for classic manlet rage purposes

>>17670424
dividends are on a per share basis. If they decline with the stock price it will be because the company decides to reduce the dividend, not because it's tied to the stock price

>>17674210
what the fuck are you talking about climate change action is literally only possible with a stable state which is able to worry about things which isn't survival day to day

>>17670647
I can confirm Bezos is one twisted fick.

>>17670408
>if i buy and hold to zero and dont sell i didnt lose anything