/biz/ - Business & Finance

Is CCL $25 PUT 4/24 a good move frens? I'm about to do options for the first time, scurred. Carnival can't recover from this for at least a month, right?

Friendly reminder to have at least 12 months worth of living expenses in cash.

PSQ/SQQQ to short the DOW!
SH/SPXU to short the S&P!
TLT/TMF to short yields!
DRIP/OILD to short oil!

>>17643979
4-5% drop on the ftse tomorrow

redpill me on wtf dark pools are and how i use them to profit

Fuck tripfags btw.

bump limit is 310

OP is a faggot bear who is so desperate to spread FUD he couldn't wait 20 fucking posts.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Tomorrow, we make history.

I'm looking forward to shit posting during recession with you all... actually I look forward to shit posting with you all every day. All I know is it's always a pleasure to take part in these threads, and I even say prayers for the KYS guy and really bitter anons.

italy banned short selling lol

>>17644000
They are nothing burgers. Its just how ultra wealthy trade large blocks of stock without crashing or pumping the market.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/050614/introduction-dark-pools.asp

what the FUCK am i supposed to do tomorrow? buy puts? buy calls? do nothing?

All I have are TSLA and SPCE puts and TSLA just refuses to dump no matter what

>>17644029
Do you realize that after the global economy collapses there will be no electricity or internet?

thinking of putting a deep OTM put and just wait for market to open in singapore, strike 35 bucks

lol

>>17644030
oh no, it's just salivini (zionist) suggesting it

>>17644029
Everybody hates you you god damn fag. I hope you get corona asap

>>17644029
im hoping i get some time off of work due to nCoV so i can day trade more. damn i really gotta learn how to code so i can automate this shit... im just acting like a robot anyways following my algo and managing it manually.

i'd love to shitpost with you guys here while working from home.

Is buying NCLH and/ or SPCE right now a bad idea?

>>17644003
Love you too. Was slowpoke even a good pokemon? Like I had my Charizard, Gyrados, and my ex-gf's Venisaur.... Like why would I ever use a fucking slow poke when some one like polywrath, nigtrio or nidoking filled a better niche on my team.

>>17644032
ah, so no useful info can be gleaned from them and i can safely ignore them, then?

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuyWkNK0-yo

>>17643964
Tomorrow is the judgement day for non-believers. Only bulls will be saved.

>>17644036
>TSLA and SPCE puts
Are you fucking stupid? Why not short oil or cruises, or casinos, or even just the general market? You choose two of the ONLY STOCKS that DONT FOLLOW THE MARKET. TSLA has already bankrupted multi-millionaires, you think you stand a chance?

>>17644079
If there was, that would defeat the purpose of a dark pool. If you have a good broker, they trade with dark pools and you can get some good deals across the bid-ask spread.

I have almost 2k to spend. What should I do when the market opens? Should I just go all in on volatility and VXX? Or should I just short the S&P or some oil ETF?

>>17644101
You're late to the party on both of those buddy, I would spend my money elsewhere.

>>17644056
That's just not even true. I'm similar to Trump, people love me people, people hate me, but it's always one or the other, and i'm impossible to ignore. Like even you a person who hates me, won't even resist the urge to repy and kinda just uhh what's the word I'm looking for? Solidify the truth.

>>17644101
See >>17643987
But you can just buy SPY and QQQ for a discount right now if you dont want any risk.

This year will change the world, lads. There will be a before and after.
Like 1990.

>>17644035
No idea. FED or banks may pump even after the coming of Christ. This market has become completely unpredictable.
The safest bet seems bonds (TLT), bunds, gold and silver but hell if I know.

>>17644101
Some think there will be a Monday pump, but Wednesday and onward have a very bearish outlook. Let boomers and retail have their run-up, and if you are looking for buy/put opportunities, wait until mid-week
Source: my ass

>>17644101
short volatility.... i mean vxx is going to come back to earth in a month. you've got a ton of opportunity to make money just on volatility quieting down.

FUTIES SOON boyos!

i cant believe how fucking lazy everyone is about determining this...

>>17644120
Well what then? Those are the most obvious targets, yes, but there isn't anything I know of that isn't obvious and as guaranteed in terms of liquidity.

>>17644132
Thanks for the tips.

>>17644144
This is what I don't know but it's kind of scary to think it would turn so suddenly.

Gap down on oil incoming. I think? It should. I dunno. Pretty sure it should.

All cash anyway. But I want to know.

why shouldn't I just put all my money into google stock?

How'd I do reddit?! My portfolio:
59.14% Stocks & Options
0.87% SH

>>17644030
OH NO MY PUUUUUUUUUTTTTTSSSSS!!!!!

>>17644099
I don't know the DIX results are pretty interesting.

>>17644144
hoow long can vix stay above 50? I mean lets be real... how sustainable is high volitility??? It's going to slow down sooner than you'd think.

>>17644101
I think you should do absolutely nothing and wait.

coronavirus will be hitting full force two weeks from now

in time for the release of animal crossing

people will abandon the real world and all social and economic status will depend on your standing in animal crossing as a proxy for the real world as people can no longer leave their homes

Which one would George Soros pick lads? I want to make a FOREX play

>>17644172
because you should be buying alphabet stock and not forgeeting you having voting rights.

>>17644172
Because it may hammer down more and you can buy googlies later. And some AMZN and MSFT.

>>17644174
>dick flattening

...what?

Buy calls on TLT for may

>>17644220
dude yields won't go negative.... you're literally telling people to buy the top namefag.

>>17643979
$22.5 or $25? Whoever responds i'll push it through.

>>17644188
I hope they have enough product to meet demand. I'm guessing no one will get an AC Switch, but the game itself should be available digitally, right?

>tfw bagholding NTDOY and SNE

>>17644210
Hot&Fresh new meme! All the rage right now.

>USD loses even more value
Wait. Can we STILL short the dollar? Literally dropping like a stone right now.

If I wanted to short the S&P, isnt the best way to do so by buying puts on mini futures?

What brokers allow this?

>>17644036
>>17644091
also SPCE is for retards who don't understand the space industry and want to be in on SpaceX but don't realize Branson is literally retarded and Virgin Galactic will never track with SpaceX

>>17643964
screenshot source URL?

>>17644256
china is back to work, it's not a game, recovery has begun and you got faggots telling people to go into bonds now for 2 months from now.

>>17644133
What happened in 1990?

>>17644273
there was a flash crash in the late 80s. you had unrest in the middle east, and US was importing oil and not drilling the permian basin.

If oil goes below 30 dollars what will you do?

>>17644256
wait NO
I GET PAID IN DOLLARS

>>17644270
Just tell me your opinion so I can inverse it and get some safe profits

Which of the US' "friends" are worse, Israel or Saudi Arabia?

>>17644273
you also had the russian perastroyka or what ever revolution and defeat of communism.

The only safe bet is shorting the gold mining industry that's been speculated to hell. Schiff shills can schlob on my knob.

>>17644257
FUCKING ANSWER ME

>>17644296
i dunno... i'm not 100% wrong all the time, that's just a meme.

>>17644270
>believing chink lies
they have million deaths now

>>17644313
this

bullbros win

>>17644270
>china is back to work

More virus spread then, lmao.

>>17644292
do not long that ponzi, i repeat do not buy calls, do not long, that shit is gonna be dead until china gets its shit together

my put options get repriced in 10 minutes

i feel like michael burry

>>17644270
>>17644323
china is fine now
they solved it the old fashioned china way of copy, steal, secretly use

ud know this if you didn't play lazy

>>17644257
Short sell futures contracts

>>17644270
it's totally over. not at all like it has only just begun to spread outside of china.

this is usually a bearish sign prior to futures opening

>>17644327
Not sure about that. Even the market cheerleader squad has stopped telling folks to buy the dip. I hope you like the positions you're in come Wednesday when the crappening begins, because you may be stuck with them for awhile.

>>17644323
Doubtful. It's been spreading in South Korea for like 2 months and they only have 50 deaths. Also spreading in the US for 2 months with only 20 deaths. So unless it takes months for it to kill you, it's a pretty tame virus.

>>17644341
I'm buying them

first time with futures

gonna do futures options a bit OTM on calls I guess to get the hang of it.

ticker is ESH20 I guess thats on the spy futures right?

Never done it before, can't lose more than price of option so no biggie-

Monday will be the first +10% day in history.

>>17644239
come on niggers, is buying puts on cruise lines and airlines even a good move right now? It seems so fucking obvious it'll go down. is $3.60 premium inflated for that put? I don't need spoonfeeding, just affirmation

>>17644358
If you play with a royal flush.

You don't worry about much.

see thats my goal. have a royal flush on the world, then nothing matters.

This is just a step.

>>17644133
can't argue with jesus dubs

i've got 500oz silver phillharmonics
am i gonna makeit?

>>17644370
This. Everyone expects it to go down, bearishness literally maxed out.

>>17644370
You know too?

Don't tell. I wanna make money on futures. I'm blowing the lid off though probably tomorrow morning.

You got dat good stuff knockoff brand? Chinese way of copy steal use?

>>17644047
EWI put looking ripe for the pickin

>>17644372
was thinking of buying puts on southwest airlines desu , but need to short brent now

Show us your positions, bulltards. Guaranteed less than $1,000 in the market or none at all.

So If I buy calls on ESH20 futures options they work just like stock options? Can't lose more than I put in? Goes up like crazy if OTM and there is a big rally?

>>17644372
Yeah you're late but if this gets bad and you have strong hands after buying puts you could do really well.

I'm short oil so I'm about to go balls deep on dwt.

>>17644372
Puts have priced in a 10% drop already. You need more than 10% to be profitable unless you're prepared to watch this thing every hour and take profits. Chance of winning with a put this week are much lower than if you entered last week or the week before.

>>17644407
how can you not be a permabull?

bears are fucking stupid

buy SQQQ, DRIP and DOG on Wednesday

sell on Friday

repeat until bottom and then put everything into MMM, RTN, PFE

am I doing this right

>>17644422
I said show us your positions cucklet.

all this end of the world doom and gloom has me thinking we will have a face ripping rally tomorrow

>>17644047
So no inverse etfs then?

>>17644407
Levered about 2:1 on msci world ETFs, nominal exposure about $50k

t. a soon to be margin-called gambler

>>17644433
yes I will show you my positions so it becomes public knowledge

>>17644412
>>17644421
Would it be a brainlet move if I'm gonna go 4/17 $22.5 on CCL and buy 2 contracts for $2.70 premium. The state dept just tweeted that Americans shouldn't board cruise ships and doesnt carnival have 3 ships quarantined?

>>17644430
No. You picked companies that are cheap rather than companies that are good.
If you can time the bottom you should be buying top quality names.
LMT>RTN
MRK>PFE
KO>MMM

>>17644335
Has nothing to do with China you dumb fucking nigger

WTI (OIL) WILL GAP DOWN $10.00

>>17644063
what are you trying to automate anon?

>>17644430
what's your risk set at? you... you do have a hard stop, don't you, senpai?

>>17644461
i didnt say it has to do with china you nigger, i said the demand from china will be a good sign to buy calls or longs, i am buying buts on brent at strike of 30 bucks now

>>17644455
Nobody cares about your $500 Robinhood account. And that's why no one should care about your bulltardation.

>>17644471
= CHEAP JET FUEL = LONG AIRLINES GOGOGO

>>17644471
That would be total madness but I suppose it's possible what with the brouhaha and the shenanigans. 18 minutes...

>>17644475
I'm a NEET investing excess college money, my risk tolerance is "fuck my shit up for massive gains"

>>17643964
I can feel it.
A massive drop.

I'll be fine though if Hudbay minerals hits 3.25 a share from 2 dollars, which it probably will.

>>17644484
Being a bull is a lifelong commitment

>>17644456
Think about it this way: the market brings all future risk forward. Unless there is a possibility of the future becoming even worse than it is currently, there's no reason to think it would go lower. People already know cruise lines are floating disease pits. Nobody is buying cruise tickets. The only way it could get worse is if the virus lasts much longer than people initially thought or we have a financial meltdown. The probability of neutral or good news for cruise lines is higher than bad news at this point. That's the only thing that matters for stocks, because the market is a race to get in the door before anyone else.

>>17644313
>>17644327
>>17644358

I would short GDX if I didn't think people were going to panic buy and hold gold for a while. We're going at least another 10-15% down at the least, and I'm not so sure people are going to be pulling their money out of gold this time.

>>17644472
trading based on a set of indicators, with defined risk and scaling out based on the ATR. currently i do it all manually but all im really doing is scanning for stocks that meet my conditions and then entering the trade and watching it.

it works but it gets tedious, a bot doing it would free up my time and it could actually watch the markets all day and get in exactly when the signals arise.

>>17644101
buy quest diagnostic

>>17644456
Your probably fine. Let's us know how it goes.

>>17644497
Women are totally soulless philistines.

>>17644497
why do you post this whore in every thread?

>>17644493
ah, so you're just a gambler like most people in the market, i see. let us know when you eventually lose it all.

>>17644499
>Nobody is buying cruise tickets.
Have you considered that you're underestimating the stubbornness and delusion of American boomers?

>>17644259
Virgin Galatic isn't doing the same thing as SpaceX all. They are offering completely different services (orbital launches vs personal travel). You are the retard for assuming thats why people are buying it.
>Branson is literally retarded
Yea, thats why hes one of the richest people in the world.
>Completely vertically integrated "space" jet manufacturing, 3rd one is almost done
>Hired some of the smartest engineers including ex-NASA
>Hypersonic travel across the world
>Flying this summer
Its your loss bro.

Bros I'm a bear too but you gotta remember this. They will prop up markets at the cost of their currency. Hard assets are the only way

>>17644522
if I lose all $400 I'll just ask grandma for another $400

My handfull of redpills:

CDC drug their feet on testing for Corona for 2 reasons. 1-To screw Trump 2-To slow the panic and allow connected people to exit all markets

Fed will cut to zero, but won't go negative. Probably this week, maybe next week.

Fed will buy the bond market to keep things afloat. Their repo efforts will be herculean.

Bulls may scalp a few good days here or there.
But the trend is down down down.

Paper gold will crab for a while. Moonshot in a few weeks.

Bank runs start in a week or so. Normies will start to pull cash.

Cash is king for the next few weeks maybe months.
Boomer 401k's will take it in the ass.

t. lived through 08 was all in cash and survived.

>>17644499
>That's the only thing that matters for stocks, because the market is a race to get in the door before anyone else.

you never heard of arriving fashionably late and leaving fashionably early?

>>17644029
>I even say prayers for the KYS guy and really bitter anons.
Nice to know Im not the only one who does this

>>17644529
I've considered it, that's why I'm not speculating on anything directly related to the virus until next week when the boomers see the news on CNN and FOX and realize their city is about to be quarantined.

>>17644471
manipulation

>>17644530
the resemblance is uncanny...

>>17644530
>STILL shilling virgin galactic

Jesus dude.

>>17644499
>>17644508
Jesus I'm unsure, I feel like there's more room for bloodbaths. I know a roastie who's literally on a royal carribean cruise right now. $22.5 seems like a long ways to drop but this will probably keep getting worse before it gets better. There's still people actively getting on cruise ships, just wait until tickets completely dry up over the next month. I might push it through bros

>>17644171
Oil will keep crashing until American shale operators realize they cant keep going at these prices.

friendly reminder to buy every dip, the US economy is the strongest in the world and we have been in a 100 year bull run with no end in sight.

>>17644530
Virgin isn't doing the same thing as SpaceX, but what they're doing is a subset of the capabilities of Starship. Which is also targeted to fly this year, and with a production rate goal of 2 Starships *per week*. Spaceship One can't replace an airliner, but a Starship can.

Yes, this all depends on Starship actually working.

>>17644541
>magic bookism
why?

futures hinting at -1% so far

$20 oil, even $30, will cause a recession in Houston. Can't wait to buy some cheapie foreclosed homes from ex-employees of NOV, Halliburton, Conoco-Phillips, Schlumberger, Chevron, BP etc.

>>17644497
All women are whores

>>17644422
How is this cutie?

>>17644602
is this supposed to be surprising, considering news over the weekend?

>>17644487
jet fuel can melt market candles

>>17644626
did i act surprised? kys low iq nigger

>>17644513
>>17644518
>>17644617
i think that is a mentally ill boy that he keeps posting

>>17644551
I wasn't even the one to bring it up fuckwit. I try and tell them why its going up and Idiots just make believe whatever they want.

>>17644570
>Starship
Not even the same thing. Virgin is a travel company while SpaceX is basically a cargo company. Starship is for interplanetary human space flight, SPCE is first to market in high altitude hypersonic terrestrial travel. Concorde failed, hopefully SPCE will succeed, it shouldn't take a whole day to travel across the world.

>>17644641
Flights will be so cheap that everyone can do so much business that this will ignite a golden bull run across the economy.

>>17644613
Dude... shale companies were ALREADY in dire strains even in the $50-60 range, long before Corona. If you're into RV this interview from Dec 2019 was excellent. https://www.realvision.com/shows/the-exchange/videos/how-easy-money-enabled-the-shale-evolution

>>17644621
>>17644617
>>17644518
>>17644513
This is what pre-puberty hormone treatment looks like.

Up to 557 confirmed cases across the US with 100 of those being in NY, buckle up lads

>>17644662
The reason flights are cheap are because nobody uses them for business. Every company is cancelling all non-mandatory travel and giving people laptops to work from home.

>>17644613
>$20 oil, even $30, will cause a recession in Houston
Depends how long it lasts.

>>17644660
>>17644677
Disgusting
get that faggotry out of my thread

FUTURES CRASH

>california is giving free tests and neetbux if you are currently working and are merely exposed to covid-19
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-012.aspx
its j-just a flu b-b-bro

>>17644677
and a future suicider

>>17644672
Oh you don't have to tell me. I drive by these companies' headquarters and corporate offices every day. I see BP employees going for 9 am power jogs and the parking lots of oil drilling companies 70% empty. This is what shuts down these zombie companies that are hanging on for a miracle.

>>17644554
Just make sure your expiry is after q1 earnings. You'll be fine. You can always just buy an inverse etf on the s&p and oil.

I'm short on six flags and jet blue. I'm long on an oil 3x leveraged ETF because it hit historic low last friday and I feel it's a good way to hedge against surprise green dildo days.

Oh

>>17644682
Seems likely, banks have been setting up those beautiful screens at their employees homes, probably setting up high speed internet’s.

I’m less bearish on the market but it seems Russia and saud are using their spat to push the US over the edge and force major defaults in the oil industry.

EE HOLEE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>17644696
Agreed

another AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH monday it would seem

Gap down. Here we go...

HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

>EVERYTHING IS FINE
>DO NOT WORRY CITIZEN
>THE FED WILL CUT RATES
>THERE WILL BE MORE REPOS
>THE VIRUS IS CONTAINED

crude in the 20s holy fuck

It doesn't really drop until the officially announce the NYC quarantine.

Oh, and don't think it'll leak like the Italian one.

o i am laffin lads

WHAT IS THIS PATTERN??????

>FUTURES

WEW LADS
>WEW LADS
WEW LADS
>WEW LADS
WEW LADS
>WEW LADS
WEW LADS
>WEW LADS
WEW LADS
>WEW LADS

puts are safu

futures down 1000 points jfc

is this the end boys

Where is the retard who said to buy oil? Lmfao

-10% day? :)

>>17644714
Ahem...

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>>17644754
VIX SURGING

CRUDE FUTURES FROZEN LOL

>>17644739
There goes the arab world

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY 401K

>>17644739
A 27% drop in oil. That's not taking retail out, that's taking hedge funds out.

-4% -4% -4% -4% -4% -4%

>>17644739
I see it right at 30
still: DAMN
imagine being Russia or Iran or Saudi Arabia right now lmao

Jesus Christ
I hate it
Fuck

OIL MARKETS FROZEN ALREADY LMAO

Lmao its the end of the world

>he bought the dip
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

Gold 1695.

>>17644739
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-07/saudis-plan-big-oil-output-hike-beginning-all-out-price-war

I kept DCAing down on SVXY holy shut I’m fucked

-4% ACROSS THE BOARD
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>>17644661
>SPCE is the first to market for hypersonic transport
[blocks your trajectory]
https://youtu.be/zqE-ultsWt0

I'm gonna be rich on monday you faggot bulls lmaoing@yourlyfritenow

Would you just look at all that red!

2400 is the bottom

>>17644788
How bad is this? It's just gonna bounce back like last week no?

what the fuck, is this the first time that futures aren't somehow completely different to the public sentiment?

>>17644777
checked

Welp. I didn't get to cool guy walk away from the oil fire but at least I got out alive on Friday before.... this shit.

SHAT THE BED
SHAT THE BED
SHAT THE BED

forced liquidations incoming

>>17644800
Technically speaking, 0 is.

>>17644596
Why not?

THEY'RE GONNA BREAK THE CIRCUITS

HAHAHAHAHHAHA WHAT THE FUCKKKKK HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

What is happening? I am to intelligent too understand why red line go down.

These moves are literally life changing. Your life could change with one single trade in this market, fucking insane

>>17644788

>>17644809
Technically, futures don't mean shit. But.........

>>17644797
ALL I WANNA SEE IS RED

Look at fucking oil

Bobo please, you're gonna trigger the circuit breakers.

hope you didn't forget to buy the dip

imagine being me, a complete alpha chad who called that bull trap perfectly.
now imagine being you, a sad faggot who fell for the obvious bull trap.

>>17644833
But people use the futures performance to predict the stock market's performance when it opens

There are decades where bull markets happen and there are weeks where bear markets happen.

>mfw scooping up all the cheapies

I bet we hear from Mnuchin and Powell before open.

ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH ITS JUST THE FLU THOUGH

>>17644824
True. The 2018 recovery rally was my most profitable run by a wide margin and I look forward to the time when this madness turns around. I will be there to buy the ashes.

>>17644840
>He thought there would be mercy

>>17644370
This man needs the number to the suicide hotline.

>>17644819
because there are multiple competing magic books and choosing one seems silly, because they all say if you choose wrong you go to [bad end]

>>17644854
kek

>>17644857
That or a Bloomberg headline will announce their suicides. Either one.

>>17644761

>>17644886
based VIX

How's it going bros?

OOOOOH SAY

CAN

YOU

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE

now let AMD drop 20 dollarinos so i can buy that new motorcycle at last

>>17644886
>>17644851
>>17644846
Put premiums are so high already. How do i take advantage of this crash?

>>17644857
"We're slashing rates another .50%! pls buy stocks"

>>17644879

A bear just shorted the ES with 350 contracts at 2850, 350 fucking contracts. Which means if we go to 2860 (just 10 points in this crazy market), he will be down $175k, fucking kek'd. The retards are coming out in full force

>>17644911
Keep shorting until Bill Mitchell capitulates, that's my guideline.

Why am I so weak willed?

Closed all my puts at a loss during the spike before Friday close

Tomorrow is a +10 - 20% day for $GILD. It is *the* coronavirus safe haven. I put $10,000 in options on it and I hope I'm right.

>>17644911
sorry fella, amateur hour is long gone. the big boys navigate these markets now.

>>17644911
inverse ETFs?

>>17644911
you won't be able to now. premiums are going to be so volatile the algo's wont even be able to handle it

>>17644911
Inverse ETFs

>futures the highest they've been in the range of 2000-2018

Bullbros, we're back.

free oil is probably the ONLY good news for airlines all year

>>17644921
might just be a maintenance/hedge position

>wti

hyper long

>>17644788
>Dow 24K

It's ogre

Why is everyone making a big deal over -4%? BTC does double that every month

>>17644911
/cash/ is here to see you through these turbulent times

>>17644938
there are bigger problems than "free oil" for airlines...

you okay, buddy?

>>17644921
$175k might be a lot to you. But there are people managing billions of dollars in daily volume.

>>17644937
holy cope

>>17644943
The markets are only beginning to be shrekt.

>>17644945
This is real money kiddo

I learned a lot this week and I'm still up 689 dollars from last week

>everyone circlejerking dow/S&P
>this happens

We're heading back to 2017 valuations on DOW/S&P. It was all a bubble after that.

>>17644766
>MFW saudi revolution and the entire suadi royal family is stoned to death with actual gold nuggets

Bros i dont feel so good...........

>>17644928
>>17644932
>>17644951
I had some Jan 15 call leaps ill hang onto it. But yeah i think the rest is going cash and waiting.

-4% on FUTURES HOLY SHIT. BIGGEST EVER DROP IN FUTURES IN HISTORY OF THE US. HOLY SHIT. Sooooooo glad I went all cash 2 weeks ago. What time are they going to shutdown market? I expect full closure by at least noon. SPY PUTs are going to print too bad I got rid of them all last week.

>>17644566
This picture is very based.
But I have turned $500 into $14k options trading?

Buy calls on airlines (bullish)
Or puts on Tesla (bearish)
or puts on LVS ?

>>17644975
teach me

>DAX down nearly ANOTHER 5 fucking percent

Holy shit.

should i buy puts on brent now that its going up ? strike 30 bucks

>>17644976
yes we know, thats why sp/dow is down so much. now get ready for the real fun when american shale producers start declaring bankruptcy one by one

>>17644976
holy shit, why?

https://youtu.be/61Q6wWu5ziY

>>17644976
A low crude price is a good thing, though. It means value is siphoned from OPEC to the companies that most people here invest in. I hope it has some sort of cushioning effect for the bulltards' sake.

I pray to god all the saudis get bankrupt and annexed by iran.

>>17644976
It just barely slipped below $30 for a second there. Amazing gap down.

>>17645015
The saudi's deployed their nuclear option and are dumping oil

>>17644270
If you actually believe the official Chinese reports on anything iv got ocean front property in Montana to sell you. NASA Ariel satellites show there is no industrial activity.

>>17644998
They'll pump it during the day, EOD at -1-2% at most

>>17644998
>SPY PUTs are going to print too bad I got rid of them all last week.
Speaking of which I, uh, didn't sell mine.

Are there any good free calculators I can use to guess at their value before tomorrow morning?

>>17645004
Look at Greeks before buying contracts is what I learned this week.

>>17644976
jesus christ
Can someone explain why oil is getting pummeled so hard for a non commodities guy? Is it all to do with the Saudi's dumping oil into the market? How connected is oil to other securities?
>>17644983
is bin laden /ourguy/?

>>17644998

Futures opened last week 4% down then monday ended 4% up

>>17644961
Of course, but even professional traders wouldn't even call that a valid trade even if it was profitable. It's literally a FOMO short based on nothing other than the market taking a shit

will vix literally never fall again is 40 VIX the new baseline what the fucking fuck rrrreeee

>>17644911
have cash and buy the real dip (2 years from now)

>>17645041
No travel affects oil brainlet

So if this keeps up through the market open, it will probably take out these market makers manipulating the market. At that point, all bets are off, we could go back to 2015 valuations even if the fed steps in.

>>17645021
Shale companies bankrupting might also free up some blue collar labor in this tight labor market.

>>17645015
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-just-told-world-no

>tfw you shorted the DOW, DAX and brent

>-3.5% on futures
its ogre

>>17644976
I AM SELLING ALL MY EXXON AND CHEVRON.
GET THE FUCK OUT NOW!

WHAT ARE YOU BUYING TOMORROW

>>17645053
>it will probably take out these market makers manipulating the market
Kek'd. If they are the ones manipulating, don't you think they are all short now earnings millions while pushing the market down? It's not like they are handicapped enough to only sit on one trade

>>17645045
Oil prices didn't go down -23% last Monday... this is going to be biggest single day crash in US history.

>>17644951
Not gonna lie I wish I held all my SQQQ and SPXU from Friday but I was on margin and the stress would be too much if this was going the other way. No one can time the market especially in this mad environment.

Where can I see Europe futures?

2008 here we fucking come

BOYS WHAT IN THE FUCKING FUCK JUST HAPPENED TO OIL PRICES

>>17645041
Serious decline in travel, shipping, manufacturing, etc all contributes to oil dropping. Saudis also decided to fuck OPEC and just pump as much oil as possible.

>>17644976
fuck

>>17645087
KNEEPADS AND LUBE

long all the damn things!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCaYsW2xzw0

Welp, my tqqq hedges are going to zero immediately. Good thing I had 7% of my assets in a long position

>>17645041
Production alliances that have existed since 2016 completely fell apart on Friday and there was no resolution over the weekend. OPEC wanted Russia and the rest of the non-OPEC countries to agree to cut production to prevent the price from crashing due to very low demand from Corona impact on industry. Russia refused to agree. Saudis had to slash their monthly price. Now it's a price war with everybody INCREASING production. Russia told its producers to "pump at will" starting April 1st.

I was long on oil up until Friday as I expected Russia to come to terms with OPEC during the meetings in Vienna last week. When those failed I immediately had to eat the loss and get the fuck out. This outcome is why.

China is going to report positive inhibition with Kaletra, but the ongoing remdesivir study is showing even more effectiveness but not finished.

They are most likely using large lots of knockoff remdesivir in all cases nationwide already.

Bright Gene had begun preparing to make large amounts of it for Chinese domestic use.
https://www.genengnews.com/news/coronavirus-chinas-brightgene-manufactures-apis-of-gileads-remdesivir/

TLDR: we will have effective treatment very soon and China will announce positive treatment results via their clinical trial soon.

para bellum

>I TOLD YOU ABOUT TVIX BRO
>YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED

Sold my oil holdings on Friday. Kept my balls and didn't sell my SPY put. IM FEELING PRETTY GOOD LADS

>>17645077
>looking forward to wake up with money
>realize that brokers will probably go under """maintenance""" for some reason

>>17645094
Type FESX in your bloomberg terminal

New thread

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>>17644857
Mnuchin already?
They’ll trot out Kudlow for sure... and maybe another “stock market looks good to me!” Tweet.

When does he assemble the PPT and go on TV to address the nation and plead for us to buy stock?

>>17644976
>tfw you didn't sell

End me

>>17645096
More like 1929

I'm excited for the prospect of seeing gasoline with 90's prices again, that will be neat

>>17645088
Those are the people that keep thinking this is a short term nothingburger and think they can remain liquid with their multi billion dollar fund while having short gamma positions on the VIX.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/someone-big-was-utterly-blown-fk-out-heres-reason-behind-todays-unprecedented-vix-move

>>17645109
TBLT for kneepads. Great products, will moon somewhere in the future.

>tfw markets are now permabear mode

>>17645116
literally are you me ? had a call on brent at 50, moment i got a notification from telegram closed it, thinking of buying a put now at 30 bucks strike

>>17645087
Nothing. If tomorrow is red it means there is no setup for a swing long and I missed the short entry. So I wait in cash...

All in puts. 75% of it slightly out of the money with strike dates ranging from 3/13 to 4/17.

25% at 5/15 or 6/19 omg I'm not going to be able to sleep.

>>17645120
BG was reprimanded by the Shanghai Bourse because it actually wasn't granted permission by the CPC to manufacture Gilead's remdesivir. It went down 20% shortly thereafter. I just hope that Gilead is not caught up in the market crash because it is going to be the company that saves us from nCov.

Thread Theme
https://youtu.be/dJ2-oCxA2rM?t=09

>>17645041
Saudi Arabia put an eastern city on lockdown Qatif, most of the oil in europe is received from eastern SA, probably is a factor

>>17645120
LCI makes a generic Kaletra. No joke, LCI might be about to double at a minimum, they are under $8 a share now and well below book value.

LCI guy might even be right about the $60. The market does not seem to know they make a generic Kaletra. I put $25k into it to hold.

>>17645164
You're going to be rich lad. Enjoy NEETdom.

>>17645159
I thought about instantly flipping short when I sold on Friday but there was a risk of weekend negotiations ending in some kind of truce. Too much risk.

>>17644613
SLB will survive this.

They will be a fantastic long very soon.

>>17645026
>>17644983
Holy shit.
Does anyone remember that the thousand princes of Saud forced their “citizens” to buy Aramco shares?
What a brilliant exit scam...

Notice how all the bulls suddenly disappeared? I guess they jumped out the windows already.

>>17645116
PUMP AT WILL

>>17645202
what do you think about puts now ?

>>17644074
>SPCE
Yes
>NCLH
Cruise lines going to go bankrupt, so no.

>>17645242
Too scary for me off this much of a gap down. Don't bet too much if you do it.

>>17645257
currently have only an AMD put, will probably close today to book the profit

>>17645233
yeah getting a lot less advice to buy the dip than two weeks ago for some reason

>>17645233

Still bullish. Same thing happened last week. Futures were down big. Then monday was a big green day.

>>17645193
Die tesla die!!!!!

Got over 100k in student loans but this could help me secure house/ help me kill those loans in a few years or I play it smart.

Buy gold

>>17645276
It's going to be so fucking funny to see Musk's Twitter salt tomorrow.

>>17645292
>historically gigantic full-market crash
>2.5% profit

wow gold is garbage. this is the literal most ideal scenario for it too, and that's all you get?

>>17645292
OZ price

IS SHORTING XOM FOR 45 DOLLAR STRIKE BY MARCH 20TH A GOOD IDEA?!?!?!?!?!?

>>17645312
I hope it drops to 500 by end of week. Fuck that overhyped soiboi following that tesla has.

>>17645366
Give it a moment, people will start panick buying it once reality sets in and it’ll triple in value over the course of a few years

>>17645034
https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com/calculator/long-put.html

>>17644250
>Hot&Fresh new meme! All the rage right now.
I will md5 filter every single one of this cringy shit.

>>17645729
Ayy, thanks.

>>17645366
>wow gold is garbage
Gold is not an inverse hedge. Don't use it like that. It's an independent thing that moves with market sometimes andf against at others.

NEW NEW NEW NAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>17645928
Dumbfuck, already is a thread here >>17645131

>>17645964
I am aware. O___O