/biz/ - Business & Finance

I was at 30% plus before Corona and now I'm almost and buying price

From the end of the last thread.
Both the US and European markets are entering a downturn together and the repo market has been fighting off a liquidity crisis for most of 2019. This is why the fed is cutting rates. It's to prevent a complete halting of the financial system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFhQNugglXk

>>17639714
I was +20% before corona and now I'm -10%. I thought I was a smart buy and hold Boglehead but got weak hands. Now I can't think of anything but my stocks for 2 weeks and my work performance is degrading.

>>17639702
how reliant on National Bank pumps and Gov Subsidy can a Market become before it stops being a Free Market?

DUDE
Just buy Weed stocks my bros
CGC, ACB, VFF

I’ve never played the stock market but I’ve been researching options, do you faggots still think this shits gonna dump? Are puts safu?

>>17639770
Everyone and their mother is thinking about shorting so it's time to long, we peak fear

>>17639770
>do you faggots still think this shits gonna dump?
yes
>Are puts safu?
no

>still no hentai links

N G M I

Warning, Italy is about to be quarantined

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51787238?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

>>17639778
We are not peak fear yet. We are peak fear when the US has a quarantined city which will start to hurt confidence in the dollar.

>>17639844
Hope it happens.
I could definitely benefit from a cheaper dollar.

What is China doing? Still everything on lockdown? Back to work when?

>>17639844
the dollar is only going to get stronger

>>17639770
Market can still drop by allot. Peak fear is when everyone is sick and economy is paralyzed. True, everyone wanting to short, so a bit saturated... Be smart with any pics. Can also go cash or bonds for a few months.

Getting into the market has made me so excited for weekdays, I don't even mind waging as much

I just dump all my money into various ETFs.
Seems like a safe way to make little money over time.
Should i start buying and selling individual stocks to make some money on the side?

I am telling you all, keep your eye on the repo markets. It froze up again after the rate cut and when that happens it means that a major bank was about to go bankrupt and the economy is about to implode for real. The fed is going to cut rates a second time because they dont know what else to do, but it's questionable how much that will help.

>>17639714
Was +100% now +240% for the year or plus minus 20

>>17639939
Only if you want to lose money.

I am bullish

Green monday
Green tuesday

Willl be buying

>>17639970
Not particularly.
I like going to casinos just for the fun of it and so far, to my brainlet mind atleast, the stock market just seem like a less chancy, higher profile casino to me.

>>17639751

Just cut your losses or embrace the hold. It’s not worth cutting years off your life staring at the market every day.

Maybe scrape together extra cash and try to buy some cheapies during the downturn and it’ll make you feel better

>>17639946
Deutsche Bank without a doubt.
This explains why Germany and linked Governments are in complete SHUT IT DOWN mode over possible economic impacts from Corona, they are in panic.

DAE think AAL will plummet any more?

>>17639980
Retard

>>17639810
It has one anon.

>>17640006
You see

I see the future

Like you know a ball dropped falls

Its just as predictable for me

and guess what i see

G r e e n

>>17640001
Imagine it collapses the same day they do the rate cut

I don't understand why the WHO hasn't declared pandemic status yet
It actually just doesn't make sense to me

>>17639997
Then why are you even asking us what you should do?

>hey I'm almost certain I'm going to make money (because im an inexperienced dummy), should I do it?
Gee idk anon

Insee green

I see green

Alert

I see green

>>17639997
>less chancy
If you treat trading like gambling, it will be just that.

>>17640049
They dont want the public to panic because that would make things hard to manage.
It's really not that mysterious and confusing, lad

>>17640049
The US
Not even kidding
Apparently, the Presidential election takes precedence over a fucking global outbreak.

>>17640049
their most recent explanation is that "if we define it as pandemic that means we stop counting cases and give up hope of containment"
so it's essentially psychological, and has nothing to do with actual definition of disease.

>>17640001
I'm not a doomer, but I feel like we are staring down a barrel we shouldn't be looking at. I don't know if it's going to go off now or later, but when it does it's going to be rough.
>>17640049
The P word is racist

God damnit, why the fuck would anyone use DB

>>17639905
Same, brother. I used to traditionally love weekends, now I hate them because no market. Two days not doing shit.

>>17639946
>It froze up
care to explain for a brainlet?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I SEE GREEN THEN RED.

>>17640077
>Apparently, the Presidential election takes precedence over a fucking global outbreak.
Of course it does. US politics takes over everything. This isnt shocking.

>New York fed getting $80 to 100B daily in liquidity
>About $25B of that is on mortgages
>This is just the NY fed
Am I understanding this right, that if they didn't do these operations, wherever this money goes to would have collapsed otherwise?

>>17639905
You know all those motivational speakers and shit? (Ie Robbins, Rohn) where they say you need to find your 'why' and then you'll be excited to wake up in the morning? You've found an opportunity to accomplish your goals (in this case, money) and now you have some fire, some spark, some passion in your life where you are excited for Mondays. This is the shit normies don't understand.

Are inverse ETFs a good way of shorting?

As a newfag, I want to ask this: Assuming Italy ends up with their economy/ect. fucked into oblivion due to this virus, which stocks/parts of the market would be most affected by this/most likely to crash downwards into below earth levels?

>>17640229
motherfuck normies. normies better consoom so companies i am invested in make money, so i can make money too.

Stop thinking short term
Stop thinking this is just about corona
Stop ignoring the Fed's decade of bullshit
Stop ignoring the yield curve
Stop ignoring the repo market bullshit
Stop pretending the Plunge Protection Team didn't fake the market recovery on Friday
They are desperate to keep the mass delusion going on indefinitely
The future is War

>>17640215
Rates of lending would shoot up to at least 10% as institutions dont trust each other to be solvent enough to pay them back without hefty interest

>>17640006
Honestly it’s because it is retarded that this anon is probably right, contrary investors are a thing, I mean at least a 2% gain open is possible until something happens and then I predict a non stop free fall like you do

>>17640253
>The future is War
Inshallah

Calls on Boeing.

Hey does SMG know any /comfy/ day trader streams newbies can watch during the week?

>>17640237
I'm interested too. Some anon with experience in inverse ETF's, please share.

>>17640253

Blah blah blah blah people have been saying the same shit for decades. Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow much less even further in the future. Of all the doom and gloom faggots who’ve screamed we were on a spiders web hanging over oblivion and to buy guns and ammo for the second coming not ONE even saw the financial crisis coming and if you bought at literally the worst possible time during that you would still be up big today. Buy stocks niggers or drive ubers until you’re 90 regretting being an idiot

Green mon bullbros

Anons, I'm hearing rumours that the king of Saudi Arabia has just died. What will this do the the stock market and oil price?

Shorting gold mining companies seems very tempting since their supply is mostly inelastic but they're getting pumped up by speculation.
Gold sells off with everything else when funds and banks need liquidity during sudden volatility.

>>17640342
I know the future

Green monday
Green tuesday

Its clear as fucking day. Lewrn to seee.future

>>17640371
not much, who cares about that old crypto jew

>>17640342
true but god damn, six years is an awful long time to wait without knowing if another drop was coming the next month

>>17640314
The planes that Allah akhbar without arabs!

The DOW has gone up 40x in the last 40 years. The average annual return has been 11.53% including reinvested dividends. This means that an investor in the Dow has doubled his money every 6 years, on average, over a 40 year period! So $25,000 invested in 1980 would be $2 million today.

The coming downturn will not take 40 years. When bubbles burst, everything unravels very quickly. It could take say 3-7 years for the Dow to come down 90% or more. In 1929-32 it took less than 3 years for the Dow to fall 90%. And the situation today is much more serious when it comes to overvaluations, debts, deficits etc.

What is the biz-recommended way of investing in the stock market online (particularly, in the UK)?

>>17640371
Its dumping now. His death would just mean it dumps less.

>>17640406
Yes but who cares when all you need is to pump out F-15s and other military equipment

>>17639702
What's the next INO this week boys? I didn't pull the trigger last week like an idiot. It seems anytime a company is mentioned in connection with Corona virus it goes on a moon mission. Friday there's was news about SPEX, ENZ and OPK.

>>17640407
Baste bull
We gonna eat da bears

>>17639844

This.

I'm dumping the few shares I own on Monday, going to wait until fear increases , rebuy those shares plus more and then going looooooooong.

>>17639770
Italy literally just put 16 million people under a month long quarantine. New York declared a state of emergency. The NY --> DC Amtrak is now shut down, along with SXSW. The Fed did an emergency 50 basis point rate cut that only kept the market green for two days, they literally can only do that 2.5x more times.

Either the market goes down or the Fed prints so much money trying to save it that the dollar crashes instead.

>>17640428
I dont think the future is war personally. I do think the crypto selloff Is a harbinger for a very red week of stocks

>>17640444
Did you read to the end?
I'm not a bull or a bear
I'm a buy-at-right-time ALPHA WOLF
THERE IS GOING TO BE A MULTI YEAR DECLINE AND THIS WILD WOLF IS GOING INTO HIBERNATION. I WILL BE BACK TO FEAST ON YOUR CORPSES

>>17640454
Its gren

Look mdore

See deeper


THE THRUTH IS CLEAR TO THOSE WHO SEEK IT

THE FUTURE IS G4RRRRREEEEEEEEN

I dunno what bears are.thinking

Like its.expecting a dropped.object.to.go to space

Its green

>>17640171

are puts on disney safe

Anyone else follow Discover Financial Services?

They have an EPS of like 6 but I've been averaging down since $76 and it's now $62. How dumb is it dumb to be holding a bank right now? Most of their loans are credit card loans and personal loans so lower rates don't really effect their return on capital, the biggest risk is default.

>>17640444
>>17640488
>>17640499

Poor beers gonna rot

I tri to warn

>>17640342
"If you think a recession is coming... you're a fag!!!"
You are a stupid fuck and you would be a liability in any serious situation

>>17640342
kek this. there's nothing wrong with buying long dated puts and hedging your positions but i wouldn't bet on the US collapsing any time soon.

>>17640544
Kek.imagine being a bear into monday

>>17640556
Pink boy

>>17640572
Green every day of it

>>17640556
I'm bearing for the next few years at least.

>>17640556
> Thinking about daily trends at the top of the bubble
Uh oh

Dudes

Im telling

I warned

I am bull now

>>17640556

>"Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once."

They have made their choice, senpai.

Let them live in fear and mediocrity.

As for us, Excelsior!

>>17640539
>>17640499
>>17640488


Imagine samefag bulldelusion posting this hard.

It is pretty clear at this point that the market is going into a recession Corona or not.

>>17640507
The dumbest part about this whole system is that the fed isn't even injecting liquidity into the machine because when they do the job like they are supposed to it just shuffles around assets and liabilities between banks. If they really wanted liquidity they need to add in new deposits and assets into the system. So that means in 2008 bailing out individual households would have injected far more liquidity, but the right people are the only people who need to be bailed out even if it's bad for the system. Money is a scam and I'm surprised no one has broke out the guillotine yet. This recovery under preformed the great depressions on a 10 year scale.

>>17640665
Sorry

I warned u

Im activating

>>17640593
Bulls this Summer
> wow, the government had the bail out the airlines, the cruise companies, and more... I'm thinking green!
> wow, the Fed is printing 100 billion a day to keep us at -20% since Jan, I'm thinking green!
> wow, all our grandparents are dead, I'm thinking green!
> wow, every company on Earth is struggle to restructure their sourcing and set up new factories while hemorrhaging money, I'm thinking green!
> wow, the Chinese can't pay their mortgages in America anymore, I'm thinking green!
> wow, everything costs twice as much as it did last year, I'm thinking green!
> wow, the layoffs are starting and I'm one of them, I'm thinking green!

>>17640342
What could possibly cause a rescission right now?

>>17640678
can you post with a tripcode so i can filter you you fucking schizo?

>>17639844
I really doubt a city in the US will he quarantined

i can't believe i'm saying this, but it's just the flu, bro.

the united states is alpha and we're going green.

it's time to buy RCL and AAL

>>17640703
nice, will buy 100k tomorrow

>>17639844
Corona doesn't do shit and the media won't want to create panic around it.

>>17640654
Losing is not winning. Bring stupid is not smart. Acting tough is not masculine

>>17640703
> Wow, as usual, in wsb and biz bears need to wish for the recession else their puts expire and it's waging at McD again
> Wow, Trump will do whatever it takes to pump the S&P
> Wow, it's firmly established by study after study that buy and hold investors outperform market timers 99% of the time, every time
> Wow, probably a large percentage of the population is already infected with this virus, implying that letality is much smaller than estimated so far
> Wow, all of this repo and corona shit just months before the election, could the media have an agenda?
> Wow, everybody is summoning a recession after a 10% dip, that's completely different than the last 5% dip
> Wow, I just get free money by doing nothing, for a split second I almost let run-of-the-mill NEET FUD impact my judgement

LCIguy why do you hate me, is it because I have a vagina? Or because I won't let you touch it?

>>17639897
They are slowly opening factories. It's going to take a while. Evidently grocery stores have restocked (in Hong Kong) and there's no longer an empty shelf issue. Don't take this as bullish news though. Everything is running at a fraction of normal still, it's just not panic like two weeks ago.

>>17640718
How are you filtering tripfags, I keep putting their tripcode in my filters but its not getting rid of the weed faggot.

>>17640454
This is so goddamn exciting! Hope C-Chan doesn't peeter out on us!

>>17640733
See anon, we are not yet at peak fear.

>>17640237
Yes they work well enough for the purpose in short term.

How's it looking for tomorrow?

>>17640788
when you copy paste the tripcode watch out because it usually copies a space right after the code. Besides that, weedfag makes new trips every few posts so the solution to that schizo is either mass reports or make the trips with the same name as his just to spam

>>17640407
The dow is not going -90% from ath.

>>17640784
the next interesting possibility that I see is this:
what if the virus doesn't get any worse in China, but does more significant damage in terms of economic harm and death in other places (Korea, Japan, Europe, North America)?
Even if it's just in comparison with the questionable Beijing numbers, I think normal people overseas are going to feel some anti-China sentiment if a virus that started there is killing people they know, and hurting their stocks. Especially if China is already (seemingly) recovering

>>17640821
Health Ministry deputy director general Itamar Grotto on Sunday estimated that the number of Israeli COVID-19 cases could surge to tens of thousands.

“According to our estimates we will reach thousands and even tens of thousands of patients; That can’t be prevented,” he said on Channel 12. “Not all of the tens of thousands will go to hospitals, most will be treated within the community. Some 80-90 percent of the patients will only develop very mild symptoms and nothing will happen to them, they will just have to stay in home quarantine until the disease passes.”

BULLISH

>>17640858
Aight, I will try that. He got banned over the weekend which was wonderful and he hasn't posted in a bit so maybe he has already been banned again.

Convince me that this is the bottom and Corona is a nothingburger.

>>17640767
>> Wow, as usual, in wsb and biz bears need to wish for the recession else their puts expire and it's waging at McD again
I'm entirely out and I only go long when I'm in
>> Wow, Trump will do whatever it takes to pump the S&P
He's suggested negative interest rates which is completely insane and illustrates he knows nothing about how this will play out
>> Wow, it's firmly established by study after study that buy and hold investors outperform market timers 99% of the time, every time
And yet you are trying to buy a dip, strange. I guess market timing only applies to bears
>> Wow, probably a large percentage of the population is already infected with this virus, implying that letality is much smaller than estimated so far
The virus is not the problem and did not care the bubble
>> Wow, all of this repo and corona shit just months before the election, could the media have an agenda?
So you admit your investment advice is steeped in paranoid political bias
>> Wow, everybody is summoning a recession after a 10% dip, that's completely different than the last 5% dip
The current drop is already a record breaking event so far unseen in stock market history
>> Wow, I just get free money by doing nothing, for a split second I almost let run-of-the-mill NEET FUD impact my judgement
We're all looking for someone with a better argument.. I'm not hearing one yet

Make it a red week

>>17640507
shit

>>17640756
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1236668990426165249
Washington is talking about shutting down Seattle publicly right now.

>>17640788
Weedfaggot is a discord collective identity now, a bunch of people post with different trips and nicknames

>>17640922
>https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1236668990426165249


SHUT IT DOWN!

.

>>17640955
You have to go back

tell me your secrets smg

I'm 30 so even though 70% of my net worth is in equities a ten year massive recession while I'm maxing out my 401k during my peak earning years is kino.

Unless I get laid off during this recession in which case I'm fucked lol.

>>17640969
The crash is coming this week now that everyone thinks it’s going to crab or recover

>>17640969
>smg
Leave newfag

>>17640875
Only racist losers would care

>>17640977
checked 7s

LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE HEADLINE IS ABOUT CORONA, EVERYTHING IS ABOUT CORONA, IT'S NEVER BEEN THIS BAD, AT LEAST THERE WERE A FEW OTHER HEADLINES BUT THIS TIME THERE'S NOTHING ELSE JUST CORONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>17640969
I'm actually really boring hehe
I lost to the market over the past year as a result of some really dumb positions, even at the time I knew they were dumb. My goal is just to be less of a retard every day

So buy now, wait for a bigger dip once the people realize how bad Corona is going to get, or wait until the corporate debt bubble pops?

>>17639702
Gonna try to not be a turbo poorfag, is Robinhood a good app to use?

God dam these options are getting so expensive 17 apr 36 strike tqqq puts should cost pennies

>>17641010
we cannot recommend RH anymore to anyone
they were down for an entire trading day last week
Use TD Ameritrade or Schwab

>>17640988
2/3rds of congress were exposed to coronavirus at AIPAC and the president was at least indirectly exposed at CPAC

Now they have great healthcare so they'll probably be fine, but they're also very old which is exactly the demographic corona virus kills. It'll be a bad day for the markets once they're put under quarantine.

>>17640891
>I'm entirely out and I only go long when I'm in
Maybe that's true, maybe not.
>He's suggested negative interest rates which is completely insane and illustrates he knows nothing about how this will play out
So why is it insane?
>>> Wow, it's firmly established by study after study that buy and hold investors outperform market timers 99% of the time, every time
>And yet you are trying to buy a dip, strange. I guess market timing only applies to bears
If and when you only go long, do you aim to buy the top?
>The virus is not the problem and did not care the bubble
This whole story about zombie companies and overwhelming debt and bankruptcy chain reactions has been told for years now, what are the hard indicators that it's gonna happen now? Any day now?
>>> Wow, all of this repo and corona shit just months before the election, could the media have an agenda?
>So you admit your investment advice is steeped in paranoid political bias
If you haven't seen how a good part of the media is trying to make Trump responsible then you don't read the news. I'm a doctor (flame away) and the numbers so far of people infected/death are just not significant. Could be that the media only wants to sell fear, but to me it also seems pretty political.
>The current drop is already a record breaking event so far unseen in stock market history
Things happen for the first time everyday. I responded to you for the first time. Does that make it historical? This is like saying there was never a U.S. President elected that didn't have brothers.
>We're all looking for someone with a better argument.. I'm not hearing one yet
I don't get that.

>>17640988
I prefer this to nothing but climate change, Greta Thunberg and right wing extremism all the time

>>17641018
Damn, didn’t hear anything about that. Thanks for the heads up. I’ll check out Ameritrade then.

>>17641026
This is the greatest thing because if they get it and come back like it's just a fucking flu, then the world will stop shitting itself.

I asked this yesterday so some of you may have seen this question but I am asking again for other opinions....


I am on 90k cash waiting for market bottom. Would yall keep your funds in the bank or with your brokerage account?

>>17640951
>>17640922
>put a fence around nursing homes
Not the nursing homes!

>>17640955
Based thanks

>>17640454
>The NY --> DC Amtrak is now shut down

Fugg. This is really happening...

>>17641071
pull it out of both and physically sit on it

How do I trade SQQQ to make a profit off this bear market?

Anyone here into and buying OPK calls?

>>17640972
Last recession i got laid off, collected severance for a year, then unemployment for another year. It was nice

I'm seeing a lot of fear in this thread about some silly Chinese flu. Well boys, I gotta tell ya, you're wrong on this one. There's one simple reason you can't dispute. Stonks only go up. When's the last time they went down? 10 years ago? And they immediately got better! Only up! If you see a stonk going down, that just means you picked the wrong stonks.

>>17641054
I just want 24/7 Greta coverage
They can throw in other Scandinavian teenage girls as the side characters too

>>17640988
Kinda reminds me of September 11th month. Thst whole week regularly scheduled tv was often overridden by ACTION NEWS SPECIAL EDITION DOUBLE EXTREME (no actual new information). For the rest of the month the news spoke of nothing else. It was around that time i stopped watching news and tv in general.

CORONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>17641071
only real benefit of keeping it in your brokerage account is that you don't have to wait a few days to transfer the amount to begin buying once the market hits your target to buy

that said your brokerage should have insurance for your balance in case you're worried

>>17641131
>t. Nigger

>>17641093
Have you looked at the chart the past week? You would get cucked with either TQQQ and SQQQ.

The market is crabbing and its hard to make money with that. Best to wait now for either another leg down or to recover.

>>17640988
All they had to do was listen a couple weeks ago and this could have been prevented.
But they didn't, they claimed it was 'just a flu bro' to try to save a market that was already ready to explode. And the market still crashed.
So thanks to their actions, we now have a pandemic AND a fucked market.
And, only AFTER it's too late to stop the pandemic the media starts fearmongering.
God damn I fucking hate journalists.

>>17641006
>wait until the corporate debt bubble pops?
Don't get baited in to the doomer slippery slide argument that jumbles all the recession theories in with Corona and claims it's all happening right now.

>>17639764
The age of weed stocks are over

buy puts

https://twitter.com/sbarabbapilo/status/1236698853090476032

>>17641065
Imagine wanting it NOT to happen.

How does it feel knowing you're all losing money while those fucking retards on WSB are retiring literally right now for being autistic retards?

>>17639764

>>17641071
Why would there be a run on the banks over a virus thats kills the weak & elderly? There wasnt even a run on the banks in 08 when their financials were so fucked up they literally needed a govt bailout

>[RTRS] 08 Mar - DEATH TOLL IN ITALY FROM CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK RISES TO 366 FROM 233 ON SATURDAY - OFFICIAL
wow

I'm ready from the biggest market crash of all time tomorrow

>>17641198
bad

>>17640710
Quarantining states like California or New York.

>>17641215
>>17641195
WHERE ARE YOU ALL GETTING THIS FROM, THE FULL ITALIAN NUMBERS ARE OUT YET, THIS ISN'T EVEN THE BEGINNING

>>17639751
>>17639714
i would hold it

>>17641215
That's wrong anon. That's just one region, not all of Italy

Lombardy data recorded on 8 March:
• 4189 infected (+769)
• 2217 hospitalized (+556)
• 399 in intensive care (+40)
• 257 deaths (+113)
• 550 healed (+26)

>>17640533
You need to buy time, its only going down with the market, S&P down 10% DIS down 10% etc, you are trading for the closure of Disneyland and you don't know when that will be so owning weeklys is just stupid.

Monthly won't be as much gains but much safer for you. I would aim for 100 and play for the drop to 90 which is Disneyland crash zone imho. Good luck just my 2 cents

>>17641198
There's like 5 out of a million that actually makes money over there

>>17641233
I MEANT TO SAY AREN'T NOOOOOOOOOO I SPELLED IT WRONG I'M SO FUCKING EMBARRASED RIGHT NOW NOOOOOOOOOOO MY /SMG/ BROS ARE LAUGHING AT ME RIGHT NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S ALL I HAVE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo

>>17641195
>>17641233
Mutation???

>>17640533
No way, faggot. Hollywood is going to take a hit because the Chinese aren't going to the cinema anymore due to the Coronavirus. I think Hollywood is projected to lose $5 billion from the Chinese market alone.

>>17641239
no it's real
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1236704475554988033

ITS OVER

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1236704475554988033

>>17641257
IT'S THE IRANIAN STRAIN OF CORONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>17641268
that's deaths not cases btw
50% increase in deaths

>>17641257
Too many sick people at once, you just can't care for all of them so they traffic jam on the oxygen machine.

>>17641265
he said puts...

>>17641282
>>17641255
AAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>17641280
CORONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

>>17641215
meanwhile in Germany the biergartens are full and nobody gives a fuck

So, when should I worry about Italy going into bankruptcy, and my ''guaranteed'' euro funds getting freezes from withdrawing, especially when Generali is the biggest provider?

>>17641280
>mortality rate of 5%
Holy shit this is a real happening isn't it

>>17641161
Yeah, I have less than 500k so I think I am supposed to be covered so I might just move it over.

>>17641208
Not worried for that reason but I am not sure if banks prevented any sorts of withdrawals in 2008, I wasn't keeping tabs on the market then.


>>17641233
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

This does have that in the numbers. Holy shit its real

Bounce tomorrow

>>17641232
The vaccine is 4 weeks away tops
>b-b-but it takes months to years before GA of a new drug
You think they would rather quarantine entire sections of the United States to prevent a flu that kills old people instead of distributing an experimental drug?

The real dip comes in 9 months when the supply-chain lag hits FY earnings hard.

>>17641331
Wouldn't be surprising at all, but it will probably be red by tuesday

>>17641311
Given the way this thing spreads, there's really nothing you can do to avoid infection. What's the point of avoiding biergartens if you have to go to the supermarket to buy food eventually?

>>17641311
good, should speed up the spread over here.

>>17641323
no money in Europe right now IMO

>>17640237
Yes, but be prepared to control your emotions and to be able to cut your losses if necessary, because if you don't and try to hold you can be burned in the long run for sure.

>>17641128
I bought the stock. I figure why not. Every company that has Coronavirus news goes to the moon.

>>17641337
Trump has literally come out and said that in the best case scenario there will be a vaccine in one year and a half. But keep projecting. The real dip comes tomorrow.

>>17640049
Look up pandemic bonds

>>17641388
>vaccine in one year and a half
Yeah, for GA. Like I said, the 2% that are actually at risk will just get it early.

1500 new infected in Italy and 100 dead in the last 24 hrs.

>>17640049
They stand to lose billions in bonds

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-are-425-billion-reasons-why-who-refuses-call-covid-19-outbreak-pandemic

>>17640237
I'm afraid inverse ETFs will collapse if counterparties go tits up.

Duetch Bank makes up like 10-20% of SQQQ for example.

Anyone have any thoughts on investing in GBTC? It's an IRA account.

I already hold 4 BTC.

>>17640972
Based
I'm 29 and I can't wait for this to drop

>>17641311
Biergartens are open this early? I would have thought they would be closed a little longer.

>>17641018
>we

>>17640536
I've wondered about this as well. Especially if the economy takes a hard hit, how many loans will be going unpaid? Discover and Wells Fargo both own a decent share of student loan debt, as far as privatized student loan debt goes. People with the most student loan debt are more than likely graduates within the last 10 or 15 years, of which a fairly large portion still work in retail or Starbucks, etc, basically in positions that are more easily liquidated or at risk due to the virus. Can a trader smarter than me (I know you're out there, please try!) Comment on who might be the weakest bank in all of this, aside from Deutsch?

>>17641441
what is being 29 like...
It's a journey I'm about to embark upon later this month

>>17640666
> Money is a scam

Based lightbringer trips.

Buy SoV cryptos

>>17641325
and as the numbers of patients rise above the medical infrastructures capability of treat, that number will rise exponentially.

>>17641403
>Look up pandemic bonds

Post a link, my guy? There's too much bullshit to filter through on Google.

>>17641476
Nothing new. Everyone tells me it's all downhill after 35

>>17641476
Just wait for 30. That's when the real fun begins.

>100 deaths in one Italian region alone in the last 24 hours
This is it boys. This is the big one.
I said yesterday that this may be the bottom. I want to correct myself and say that this might be the next Spanish flu.

>>17641416
>Class A bonds were issued in the amount of $225 million, with a payout of 6.9% annually. The bonds default if a pandemic is identified, and deaths reach over 2,500 in one particular country with an additional 20 deaths in another, theprospectusstates.

>Class B bonds were issued in the amount of $95 million, with a payout of 11.5% annually but had a much lower trigger level of deaths, versus Class A, hence the high yield.

Thats the most retarded gamble I have ever seen.
The WHO also gets paid to call it a harmless flu but Jesus Christ.

>>17641446
Usually not, but this winter has been pretty mild. It was up to 10degC and sunny today.

what about nigger death rates?

this wouldn't be bad if it wasn't killing white people

if it takes out at least half of africa or mexico that would be a huge win

>>17640887
The weird cold most people got in the last 1.5 months was a weaker strain of the virus, spread among select populations of select nations to inoculate them against other strains which are injected into Iran China and North Korea. Biological Cold war. Western Nations not nearly so badly affected as the enemies of the Jews. Far out theory, but the best I could do to convince you.

>>17641527
Extra, extra! Anonymous issues correction, read all about it!

>>17641552

Personally I'm hoping it takes out the West Coast and North East USA.

>>17641606
We always proclaim when we were right. Might as well proclaim when Im wrong for a change of pace.

>>17641613
That would turn the U.S into a third world country.

>>17641552
i think there's a lot of unaccounted infections and deaths all over the world. how many countries in africa can even afford to test people? think about how bad it was with ebola, western countries had to send a lot of help. difference is this time around western countries have their own problems and can't afford to help africa.

there will be a ton of dead people counted in poor countries once this is over

This is the best weekend of the year. We get one less hour of weekend, and the markets re-open a full hour early. It's awesome.

>>17641527
Oil market is tits up, this week is going to be another bloodbath full of pink wojaks.

>>17641652
I feel like those nasty fucks won't get it because their immune systems are so hardened due to their horrible living standards.

>>17641652
great news

>>17641221
Based

>>17641667
Is there anyway to gain access to futures trading as a retail trader?

>>17641696
they're fucked. there is no natural resistance to this. if you get exposed, you will likely spread it to others for 2+ weeks then get sick.

>>17641692
>tfw oil drops to 35 at open

DON'T SCREENCAP THIS POST

1,492 new Coronavirus cases in Italty!
Mamma Mia!
We've got to get out of here!

Any predictions for tomorrow? Down 5%?

What about quest diagnostics, they will anounce privately available corona tests anyone can order?

>>17641735
>Italy
Oops

>>17641735
reminder that northern Italy is the economic and financial center of the country.
This might cause a domino effect across Europe and in extension the World.

>>17641337
>210 trillion USD of unfunded American pension liabilities
>do you really think the government will let old people die?

Oh sweetheart. I have some bad news for you...

>>17641712
yeah you need a broker that lets you trade futures.

>>17641765
Suggestions?

>>17641735
what on earth is this montage?

>>17641648
>cleaning out the largest density of low IQ's
>this makes us dumber

Can't wait for the real estate correction and the return to tradition.

>>17641759
>210 Trillion
that's a pretty large number

Is Monday morning the time to buy Chesapeake Energy?

I bet it could be had for 10 cents a share.

This is like buying Ford at $1 in 2008.

>>17641792
High IQ play, will be watching. Oil finna drop in the low-mid 30’s a barrel

>>17641780
And it's an accurate number. I thought the pension collapse was 15 years out but this might push a lot of pension funds under earier than expected.

>>17641493
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-are-425-billion-reasons-why-who-refuses-call-covid-19-outbreak-pandemic

>>17641792
I am going to give you some rumint okay. I live close to two major nuclear power companies and the rumor is that Dominion Energy will purchase Duke Energy. Do with that what you will.

weekend dow -675 points kek

>>17641476
It's same. Mid 30's is when you start to feel like your body is tipping over on to the downward side of the slope.

t 36

>>17639702
An anon was talking about shorting ES Futures. Can someone explain to me how exactly I do this on robinhood or vanguard?

>>17641773
Those two regions quite literally are home to a collection of the highest iq people in the entire world you dumb hick. It's home to arguably the best schools and industries anywhere. The smartest people in STEM fields from around the world gather in those regions.

>if we stop recording how many infected, then we have contained the infection!
>t. China

>>17641323
hot

>>17639999
Underrated and get.

>>17639778
>we peak fear
No, we're currently in a feartrap. Mainstream media and greedy investors are creating panic and disrupting supply chains so that people will panic sell.

>>17641928
I bought 10K worth of fear-anons shares on ETrade!

>>17641877
>quite literally
Back to r/chapotraphouse newfag

>>17641792
is this actually a good buy? someone who know more than me about energy tell give me info

>be china
>have tariffs levied against you
>"okey yue-knighted staytes, wii kin kurash awa own economee"
>""accidentally""" releases biological research virus
>"whoops, geyss wii gahtta quarentien awa manufactrin now, sorri yue-knighted staytes"
>hope that the poor economy in the election year will oust Trump.

>mfw I bought the dip

Predictions for monday, when will

Level 1
Level 2
Level 3

Circuit breakers be triggered?

>>17641772
just read that Italy have ordered 22 million masks

anyone know if from china or 3M?

>>17641977
Sorry there won't be any cheapies for the stock babies. Respect the queue.

>>17642016
OK retard. You got called out for being retard. Just accept it.

>>17642051
10:00 AM
12:30 PM
N/A

>>17642051
>monday
We're already dead anon.

I think everyone here needs to remember that the Italian govt and media are about as believable as the Chinese but in the other direction.

BTC CRASHING!

>>17639960
cryptofag here, currently at +1500% after 2 years. it's been more or less steady growth, with no signs of being stopped by Corona chan. I don't understand how you can be satisfied trading boomer stocks.

>>17641142
Anyone who says they wouldn’t is kidding themselves

>>17641877
Those areas already have the most experience when it comes to living woth a virus inside them

how do i buy a pandemic

>>17642116
bonds

Ww3
Spanish flu 2.0
Global economic collapse

2020 sucks

>>17641170
>t. bootlicking slave

>>17642092

I'm not, but I keep guessing incorrectly when it comes to options/crypto.

>pfft bro you just gotta be smart like me haha

Okay, yes, you're a genius, that's great, good job.

>>17642033
nah
they have super negative money and earnings

Time to buy Raytheon stocks

>btc crashing
What's going up RIGHT FUCKING NOW?

>>17641759
>>17641780
>people die
>debt get freed up
>big green

>old people get experimental vaccine
>panic goes away
>old farts still die due to age and side-affects
>big green

There might be dips along the way but the market moves in one direction, and that it's up.

>>17641142
Whoever is controlling Greta is probably laughing at people who actually believe in her. Poor cunt probably has been fucked by Epstein himself.

>>17641331
Dead cat being dropped from the Empire State building, hitting a tarp a few feet down, bouncing, and then falling the rest of the way. That kind of bounce.

>>17642161
I was under the impression that was like a bi-monthly occurrence.

>>17642177
Greta is pure
I think her handler is a cute girl too

>>17642147
what about exxon?
They have a 7.30 div and stock has fell 30% in the last 3 months. i feel like energy stocks are so low right now and oil wont be this cheap forever

>>17642161
Remember the anon that said he was going to buy bitcoin a few days ago because "it's more stable"? Kek'd

>>17642186
Oil is going down because of OPEC deal died and now there is a price war

How can I survive in a post economic collapse world?

>>17642186
Exxon is much better than CHK.
But I wouldn't buy too much until oil stabilizes.
Expect a Monday drop, it's fine to buy some XOM then, but keep plenty of cash ready just in case.

Ready for monday, anon?

As someone holding 15K in VOO, I'm going to do my best to enjoy this week's drop. We'll come out the other end eventually, bros...

>>17642143
oh god imagine the smell

>>17641205
>greedy when others are fearful

im never going to stop being enraged at all of these people who misuse buffett quotes and act smug when they're really just fucking retarded faggot gamblers who honestly probably didn't even complete high school.

Hoping for a 30% drop by next Friday.

>>17642203
It will be like the Spanish flu
So no worries if you got guns and food for the next year. Roaring twenties afterwards, then WW3.

Imagine being told January 8th that this China cough will be another pandemy that will remake the world as we know it lol

>>17642203

T H I C C
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>>17642204
what price would you buy XOM at then if it tanks monday?
>>17642202
yeah i know, but isnt this a temporary? a year from now i could imagine this still happening and prices are stable with exxon continuing to grow, but i really know nothing about the energy sec thats why i was asking yall these questions. it just seems like they were low and a good time to buy..

>>17642183
money flow ssomewhere
where it flowin RIGHT NOW

>>17641928
nobody is taking corona seriously, it's all massive bs. even in thailand bangkok etc. people dont even bother wear masks in rush hour they all know it's government bs in asia

>>17642238
We did tell you if you go to /pol

>>17642261
30 year treasury notes and savings accounts

Question. If you have options and they become deep-in-the-money, how illiquid are they? Is there a danger of not finding a buyer if you can't cash them out yourself?

>>17642051
No circuit breakers. MAYBE the 5% but i doubt it.

>>17642116
Inverse ETFs for SPY and oil

>>17642221

>>17642283
Not speaking from experience but I feel like if you price them a few pennies under their executed value some bot would scoop them up in seconds.

>>17642283

Don't worry, I'm sure somebody out there will pay an exorbitant premium just to get a smaller return on maturity.

>>17642045
it keeps dipping, anon.

IT KEEPS DIPPING

>>17640977
Yep. Monday. Then again on Wednesday, then Fed injects. Then red again on Friday.

Threadly reminder that Remdesivir won't help:
>In a mouse model of SARS-CoV pathogenesis, PROPHYLACTIC and EARLY THERAPEUTIC administration of GS-5734 significantly reduced lung viral load
Remdesivir must be injected and will thus be limited to advanced cases where it will do nothing

>>17642306
what threshold does a market go from a dip to a dab

because the market is going to be dabbing on boomers and bulls monday

>>17641015
A very bull market in puts right now, obviously. Many up 20-100% in a single day.

>>17642267
Yeah my mom came from there yesterday and everything is completely normal. Not even the airports in Bangkok have checkpoints for Corona or sick people in general for safety measures

>>17642294
Whats the big news fo rthe dop tomorrow?

Oil prices or the Italy numbers?

>>17642267
Getting infected with HIV on a 1000-man/woman orgy is more probable than getting infected with coronavirus on a concert surrounded by people infected with the virus.

>>17642341
Oil, Italy, and Seattle mayor saying he might Wuhan the city

Also did everyone forget in this 6 hour news cycle that Lebanon just fucking defaulted

>>17642313
Alright but what about the AbbVie drug?
I like ABBV that yield is mad decent.

is this how market makers make money?

>>17642387
America already confirmed community spread in many cities and states, at this point its not just a Washington problem.

>>17642327
basically you have FA and the TA, TA is ultimately all that really matters but it needs to be supported by the FA as a foundation. habbenings usually negate the usefulness of TA because they create huge outliers like we're seeing now, instead of the usual trending or flat/sideways behavior seen in the markets like 90% of the time when catalysts aren't involved, which create spikes that move far away from the mean very quickly.

so the FA right now is that on the one hand you have the coronavirus causing all of this panic and quarantine and shutting down factories and travel, which will slow down global economic growth. on the other hand, you have government agencies and central banks around the world pumping cash into the markets to try to prop them up while they try to find a solution to this crisis.

so the FA points to a crab market that will probably continue to downtrend (down on strength, up on weakness, down on strength, up on weakness, etc), and until there's no more pandemic going on, it will likely keep dipping. going from dip to dab = when coronavirus is no longer a threat to the economy. it can still kill boomers, so long as everyone is willing to go back to work despite that. until then it's just gonna keep dipping so if you buy you'll probably regret it unless you take profits quickly, or better yet day trade and make a ton of money from the volatility and large trends.

>>17642410
>>17642410
>>17642410
>>17642410

new thread

>>17642238
The roaring twenties are just ending, fren. Get ready.

>>17642370
Uhhhhh i don’t know where you’re getting those numbers from or why you’d pick that comparison.

>>17641792
I'd rather buy their debt at 17 cents on the dollar.

Why is everyone talking about a drop tomorrow?
How certain is that we're not getting a rebound?

>>17642401
Happenings don't affect TA at all. SPY has followed the classical 50% and 61.8% retracement levels through the past 2 weeks.

>>17642248
really depends where oil price goes

>>17642370
>if you have unprotected sex with 1000's of pozzed faggots then you can get HIV
>therefore NCoV isn't dangerous or contagious
???

>>17642436
fib levels are literally meme lines, lmao. they respect those lines until... they don't for some reason. will it break through them, or hold them as support, who knows!

try using actual quantitative analysis sometime, kiddo. i know, i know, math is really hard, but im sure you can at least handle the concept of a moving average.

>>17642433
Coronavirus is not going away. Coronavirus will get worse. Coronavirus will impact earnings. Therefore, long-term, the value of major indexes decreases. There may be a rebound, but it'd be a temporary giggle perhaps related to a decreased price of oil.

>>17642442
It means that there's more chance of contracting HIV having unprotected sex with those people than contracting coronavirus standing beside people who're blessed by Corona-chan, braindead moron.

The UK has essentially reintroduced rationing for the first time since World War 2.

I am literally astounded that items I bought en Masse just days ago are now under ration

(Toilet paper, pasta, UHT milk, soap, paracetamol etc)

>>17642590
Yes
but what the fuck is your point?
HIV doesn't affect everyone because not everyone has unprotected sex with faggots, the main vector of transmission.
People do tend to go outside and meet in public places though, which is the main vector of transmission of coronachan.
It's comparing two completely unrelated things, in a completely unrelated manner, and pretending there in some way comparable. I've seen smarter posts from /x/ schizos.

Watch florida maquis video on the situation, isn't it a coincidence that olympics gets postponed but not the woe mens march

>>17641155
To go full 9/11, a lot of networks would have to shut down completely.
>the Food Network is experiencing technical difficulties

Someone was discussing GME short time ago, well here's my take. They're a dying business. Limited selection of used stuff. Then it becomes a mater of quality of the goods. Some games the disc is fucked all to hell (sure they say it plays fine but for how long?) and the manual and/or original case is missing. Yet they charge an arm and a leg for it. As I said the selection is limited. If I wanted a copy of FF8 on PS1 I'd be shit outta luck. Then there's the little mater of online sources. I've got all my PS1,PS2, and XBox games on my server along with the software to play them. Why the hell would I pluck down cash for the hardware and the games when I could just get it all for "free" and get a better graphical experience as a bonus. I still have the original games and hardware boxed up. Hell in 20 years I could sell the shit on e-bay and make a mint cause I took care of my stuff. Time, uh as you get older your free time shrinks, I still got a PS2 hooked up. I've probability turned it on maybe 10 times in the last 4 years. Lastly is your new TV still gonna have component jacks in 5 years or longer? Somehow I doubt it. Hell HDMI may be gone soon with how everything is moving to streaming these days.

>>17640922
Very bullish

>>17642341
Italy i guess. Oil stuff happened during market hours on Friday.

>>17642396
What did you enter?

>>17642399
OMG!!!! 200 people caught the sniffles!!!!! Listen, we are all being lied to about this Covid-19. It's not Trump's fault, it's not the democrats, it's not even the Chinese bioweapons lab where ((they)) want you to believe it originated. This virus was brought to Earth by flesh and blood extra-terrestrials with the purpose of influencing our species evolution.

Since /smg/ has a hard-on for pennystocks, what do you think about Natuzzi? Italian company, they make nice looking chairs that cost the equivalent of small cars, pic related.
The stock has been bleeding out non-stop for 10 years and is now close to worthless but from what I understand the company can't really go bankrupt since the family is rich as fuck and owns 60%. They could also buy back the shares with ease.
Buying Natuzzi seems slightly less retarded than buying your flavor of the month Bio penny stock...

>>17642396
>Get short-link to share
Can you use that and post the URL instead of posting a screenshot?

>>17642394
Flu/colds really aren't good targets for antiviral therapy has antivirals need to be administered early in the infection to be effective. HIV is treatable due the latency between infection and serious disease, but with flu or Corona-chan you've likely already peaked (or you're near peak) virally before you're showing serious illness, there's just not much an antiviral can do at that stage

>>17643099
ouch, how the mighty have fallen

>Founded in 1959 by Pasquale Natuzzi, Natuzzi S.p.A. is Italy’s largest furniture house and one of the most important global players in the furniture industry with an extensive manufacturing footprint and a global retail network. Natuzzi is the European lifestyle best-known brand in the upholstered furnishings sector worldwide (Brand Awareness Monitoring Report - Ipsos 2018) and has been listed on the New York Stock Exchange since May 13, 1993. Always committed to social responsibility and environmental sustainability, Natuzzi S.p.A. is ISO 9001 and 14001 certified (Quality and Environment), OHSAS 18001 certified (Safety on the Workplace) and FSC® certified (Forest Stewardship Council).

seems like a very risky bet, especially since 25% of their production seems to be in china and they have been hit hard by corona.

on the other hand, the name is fun to say...

Surprised Little Caesars ain't public. Shit's still family owned. Oh well, give it time. Soon the founders will pass it on or die then the heirs will sell it cause they want nothing to do with the day to day shit but they do want the millions that selling it would bring.