/biz/ - Business & Finance

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>>17629323
y u mad

Is getting really good at backend the path to stand out? It's a rarer skill than frontend right

>>17629465
I would say you're already pretty good at backend

>>17629611
checked and keked

>>17628470
people who at old age decide im going to "learn to code" it's a dead end. first of all, you will need
to be straight A math student, at bare minimum the best in math always in your class thru your childhood. secondly, preferably you had started coding as hobby at 10-15 years old showing you have the passion it takes not only for to sake of coding and getting a job because you will be
competing with people who are passionate and talented

>>17628470
>What about FOSS contributions, how can one get good enough at JS to actually be productive on a famous JS project?
I am self-taught too. The most important part is that you find a problem you want to work on or a project you would want to join.

Learning coding without something to keep you interested is next to impossible - the ramp-up phase (where you are learning the basics and every step seems so hard you are getting desperate) is not easy to overcome. If you have something you want to get solved, it's way easier.

A big JS project probably will not accept you as a contributor right off the bat, but start looking for issues with "good first issue" tag on Github (https://dev.to/ohbarye/how-to-find-good-first-issues-to-contribute-oss-jl7, https://github.com/topics/good-first-issue)) and try to solve a couple of those. Once you are a bit more fluent, head over to Stackoverflow and try to solve JS questions asked there.

>>17629673
>at bare minimum the best in math always in your class thru your childhood
Complete bullshit, you have zero idea what you are talking about. People with language skills are better at coding than those with only great math skills: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200302103735.htm

>>17629697
i happen to know some of the most talented coders, they are not good at languages and bad at math like women would be. first and foremost they are extremely good at math (visual spatial intelligence) correlates with coding skills more than anything

You have to be a sociable person too. It doesn’t matter how smart you are if you can’t pass an interview. Since you’re a NEET I’m guessing you’re doomed. You may as well save yourself some time and kill yourself now

If you want to get a job as a developer learn the new technologies for web development, many business are crazy for updating their shitty Java projects to more modern environment.

In the frontend, learn JS from the ES6 standard and some framework like React or Angular.

In the backend, learn Node or some data-related framework like Graphql (also NoSQL is in high demand), you could even learn serverless like Amazon Web Services Lambda.

>>17629465
you wish. If you are not fullstack you will barely get a job. Assuming you are White or Asian

>>17629675
Are you skilled enough to do open source currently? I'd love to work on Node.js or something like that then put it on my resume that I'm a contributor that'd be fucking dope. But the skill gap is too big

I'm already a few personal projects in but I'd be hopeless working on an established codebase where I could easily break shit

>>17629861
oh shit

>>17628470
Web Dev is fucking easy and incredibly fucked at the same time.best approach is to learn a framework then learn more frameworks.

Vue is pretty easy then go to react or angular.

>>17629673
Obvious brainlet. Bulding information systems has little to do with math. Has little to do with computer science as well.

>>17628470
Just contact a business school in your area. Most MBAs are dumb as fuck and hate coding. If you are able to built a clean and nice landing page out of templates for them you are already a magician aka CTO.

>>17630075
>Are you skilled enough to do open source currently? I'd love to work on Node.js or something like that then put it on my resume that I'm a contributor that'd be fucking dope.
I am skilled enough to do OSS, but not as a NodeJS contributor. You need to have a lot of experience, time and be good. I stick to smaller projects.

I found that having an active GitHub & StackOverflow profile will help you a lot with companies other than FAANGs. They don't go "naaa, anon is only doing small projects, we won't invite him"

>>17629673
this is literally true for every other job which offers a competitive salary

>>17629465
Backend still has to know some front-end; Learn CSS and HTML to the point where I can show you a website and you can make it on the monitor with css and html. Next learn forms learn how to work with forms post, get, etc, make some simple shit with classes like weight converter or BMI index with only js. No css page and the only html will be a div with a root id. After that work with a simple api's (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Geolocation_API)) determine where the person is and take those coordinates and use another api to determine what city he is in. another api to determine his weather and another api to get his local currency and compare it to the dollar. Then learn to do this with the mern or mean stack. should take you 3 months tops if you are not retarded

>>17629673
>I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT CODING

>>17628470
https://github.com/ForrestKnight/open-source-cs

>>17629697
>People with language skills are better at coding than those with only great math skills

Yep, makes complete sense to me.

>>17629751
Wrong.

coding and dev work is for faggots. Join the military and learn to fucking kill people you cunt.

>>17631567
what about odinproject, any good?

>>17629751
women are good at languages only in so far as they're more social and learn to parrot quicker; men are better at understanding the underlying phonological and grammatical systems

>>17632140
join the military and get paid peanuts to be a literal slave and have ptsd or physical injuries for the rest of your life!

Dumbest shit ive ever read

>>17628470

Step 1: Start coding.
Step 2: Don't stop coding.

>t. dev with six years of experience.

>>17629861 is pretty much right. Start with some simple backend stuff, like managing a WP database, and then work your way up. From my experience, it helps if you have trivial data-science esque Python projects on your resume, that shows that you know how to perform list manipulation, etc.

Also, get ready to read documentation. A lot. (For the rest of your professional career.)

>>17628470
Video classes aren't bad. Some of them, from what I know give a lot of resources and allow you to have access to the library. There are also schools where you learn how to code and you don't pay tuition until you get a job which is very nice. They are usually recognized too by employers.
Consider getting a certification in a specific area of programming too after you learn. It's not mandatory but it could be good in case you are let go and you need to find another job fast. Having certifications would help keep you adaptable, so to speak.
I would look into video courses if I were you, but don't write off schools like code boot camp, Lambda (the one where you don't pay tuition until you get a job making at least $50,000 a year). These programs schedules for completion are usually REALLY flexible too. So you can go at whatever pace you want for some of them. Especially the video courses. You can teach yourself to code too, I had a cousin who did and went on to work as a full stack developer in Silicon Valley. He had no certification either. But I would look into certification for job security and potentially upward mobility.

So if you do choose to get a certification after you learn to code, you should look at which different kinds of certification there are now and as you learn to code take note of which aspects of coding you enjoy. That way, when you do know how to code and want to get a certification in some specific area you will have an idea of how you preform in that area of coding and can prepare accordingly to brush up on any deficiencies you have.

Basically; learn to code however you want. Then get certifications in whatever field you want to specialize in (if you want to work in a specific area of coding/development).

If you choose to get a certi just make sure that any certification you will be going after is actually recognized and respect. Not some Chuck E Cheese diploma

>>17631247
OP everything this anon said is true. You can easily learn to do all of what he said in that time frame if not sooner.

>>17629673
This is complete COPE. This is from the failed mind of a NeverTry. This coward has rationalized his failed existence in exchange for a gluttonous addiction to comfort, safety and relief from his ever present anxiety and self-loathing. What a faggot coward

>>17630234
CS is mostly math. Programming is little to no math unless you are in a specific field. Stop talking you lying nigger

>>17629673
I'm glad you failed at life, and at such a young age too. You have so many years of suffering in front of you that you deserve.

>>17628470

Learn one of Rails or Laravel or Django and front end JavaScript (React, Vue, or Angular).

>>17631247
based

>>17629673
Have you ever met a programmer?
You don't have to be a genius to write javascript and php.
lmao

>>17629323
THIS

>>17628470
Books definitely have higher quality information. Too bad coding is just a tool and without an advanced degree in problem solving no one will hire you.

>>17628470
Make something yourself, then sell it. Or just piggyback off others coders by buying a shitcoin that can go 100x and never work again. I suggest looking at exchange tokens like Bidesk (BDK) while they're still under $1M Cap.

>>17631430
>AHHHHH
>IM GONNA
>COOOODE

>>17629697
This doesn't even deserve a reply desu. First of all its from sciencedaily so I already know you're retarded, and I've known sciencedaily sucks since fucking middleschool not even joking. Second, this is a study with the intent to "destroy stereotypes" about what makes for a good coder to promote gender equality in coding, so you know it is going to be bullshit. Thirdly they tested them with learning INTRODUCTORY PYTHON, which is 90% learning syntax. Solving problems has nothing to do with learning syntax, and people certainly don't hire developers for remembering syntax that takes 10 seconds to google (and people slow to learn all the syntax pick it up eventually anyways).
You clearly have never programmed, and either low IQ or in early highschool.

>>17628470
Go the data science route and do challenges on kaggle. More mathy and less codemonkeying.

Learn a frontend framework like React. Get decent at it, create a couple demo pages, get hired bitxh

>>17636366
Couple demo projects on GitHub is what I mean. You'll be good.

>>17636386
I personally worked with a guy that had no experience, other than a coding bootcamp. He claimed to be mechanical engineer in St Petersburg though . He was probably just a glownihger though.

>>17629673
I started as a 21 year old neet and now a 26 year old software developer leading a small team lmao.

You hardly ever use math working on crud business apps, and what you do need you can learn for the project requirements. Assuming your not a brainlet.