/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17560239

>>17560239
Ha e you tried giving you potential boss a firm handshake?

>>17560239
Because business is bullshit and filled with pencil pushing retards. You know who gets to be CEO? An engineer with an mba and the right connections. Vp? Same thing. Engineers literally do everything better because in school they're taught how to learn.

>>17560239
jobless MBA (top 20) here.
you can hourly contract doing accounting faggotry but you will work for a CPA. I looked into getting a CPA and fuck that shit is gay and too boring. You obviously cant do shit with only a BA come on bro. Bruh.

>>17560239
>But if you have a degree in CS, programming, etc, you get hired instantly.

If all you have is the degree you're not gonna get hired anywhere dude.

>>17560516
Fucking bullshit. CS and software engineer grads get hired instantly. """"business degree""" students get to work at Macy's for $9 an hour with no benefits.

>>17560239
I'm 18 and dropped out of 6th form when I was 16. I make £30k a year as a frontend react dev. After I get 2 years exp. working for this company I can bump that up to £40-50k. then two more years after that and I can get a remote job in america or be a senior/lead dev which will bump me up to £90k+.

Anything is possible bro.

>>17560583
>just program bro
What if I don't like programming?

>tfw holding 9K linkies AND going back to school for comp sci
>neeting it up off profits while the world goes to shit from corona

feels good to be the new financial elite bros

>>17560602
lrn 2 code faggot

>>17560538
Stop being a defeatist faggot. People like you ruin so many childhoods. Killing every dream people have because of your defeatist attitude.

Sure, 90% of people/kids children won't make it. But who are you to stop the 10% that would have? Incredibly selfish.

>>17560624
It's easy to be a defeatist when you fall for the business degree meme and realize you are less employable than somebody with a high school diploma

>>17560602
Then git gud and start a business. Do you want me to tell you how to wipe your ass too?

>>17560239
>unless you have a STEM degree
>But if you have a degree in CS, programming, etc, you get hired instantly.
You are fucking retarded. It is even harder with a comp. Science degree, unless you aren´t top of your class with several projects.
Fucking loser!

>>17560642
>just start a business bro

4Head

>>17560239
Why didn't you get a STEM degree or learn how to code anon?

>>17560239
I am going to change your life.

Learn SQL and apply for analyst jobs.

SQL is simple.

>>17560643
I got hired directly out of college with a CS degree @ $50k/yr. I also had a CCNA so I think that helped.

>>17560239
>does not possess any marketable skils
>wonders why no one wants to hire him

>>17560946
>society tells people to get a college degree
>doesn't tell them the big CAVEAT that 99% of them are worthless

>>17561024
Then you're just plain retarded if you can't figure out if something is worth going to college for.
>t. mech eng hired out of college for $90k/year

>>17560640
>the business degree meme

its not a meme, everyone agrees they are useless for at least the last 5 years. you didnt get memed into anything.

Ok I'm just going to pay for a fake job reference. If these kikes aren't going to hire me I'm going to fake my work history

>>17560239
Join the military as an officer.
Military is a great path for people with shit degrees.
And literally the only thing that matters in the military is your PT score. I'm not joking. You can be a complete fucking incompetent idiot at your job and still get promoted easily.

https://www.militaryrates.com/military-pay-charts-o1_o5_2020

Look at these pay scale for junior officers. You're also guaranteed to make O-3 no matter what. It's free real estate.

>>17561225
OP, if you do go this route be an Air Force officer and get a TS security clearance. You'll be jet set after you EAS

>>17561225
>just join the military and get cucked by your girlfriend because you're never around lmao

>>17561225
>Military is a great path for people with shit degrees.
Thought you needed to have above a 3.0 or a STEM degree to actually get a commission.

>>17561409
>having a relationship
>in the year of our lord MMXX

>>17561409
money > bitches

This is day 1 shit bro

>>17561447
>just dont reproduce lmao

>>17560389

>>17561422
>Thought you needed to have above a 3.0 or a STEM degree to actually get a commission.


Who the fuck told you this? Go ask some ROTC babbies what their GPA's and majors are. Most of them are retarded.

>>17561455
you're suposed to get bitches pregnant and let the gubmint pay for them kiddos, 100% in crypto so they cant seize u're assets

>>17561422
No

>>17561225
>Look at these pay scale for junior officers.


That's kinda shitty for the workload. I make $15.51/hr and work bout 50 hours per week so I make more than that in a warehouse. I have a buddy who is a lieutenant, but I thought he was making more money than me.

>>17561422
I can't speak for every branch, but for Army this is certainly not true. I was in for 8 years, and my dad was a recruiter for over 15 years, so I know a lot about this subject.

Here's how it works. The only thing you need for a commission is a bachelor's degree. It doesn't matter what kind. You still have to go to Officer Candidate School when you join, but your degree doesn't matter at all. Most officers have degrees in business. I knew one in basic with a degree in philosophy. You can have the most useless, pointless degree in divine basketweaving for all they care. DEGREE=SMART to the Army.

Now, for your job itself, your degree also doesn't matter except for direct commission things like legal and medical professions. The only thing that matters when choosing your job is your ASVAB score, and what the army has available that day. With officers they generally can't fill positions fast enough because the military can't retain people for shit.

>>17561580
The workload? That's a word that does not apply to officers. They live like fucking royalty, especially compared to enlisted. Seriously, officer life is easy mode. Unless your LT friend is in special forces I guarantee he doesn't even work 40 hours a week.

I'll hire you

>>17560239
Colleges only supposed to be for networking with other people that want to be successful. You probably spent your time playing video games and scrolling boards. You only did this to yourself

>>17561879
College is for an education but ok

>>17561896
>College is for an education but ok
how to disregard facts you don't want to face with some smug comment

>>17561933
if networking was the original purpose of the institution then it wouldnt be a place of education it would be a country club

>>17561896
College is for the connections the education is secondary that’s the biggest difference with high ranked school too. It’s all politics and relationships

>>17561951
it's both, but you won't succeed without the networking, now tell me which one is more important? the fact that 50-80% fail to network and become unemployable simply reinforces this fact

>>17560239
Depends on the STEM degree. I graduated with one of the highest marks in my year in Chemistry from a very good University in my country. There were jobs available but they pay like shit and things don't improve much even if you go and get a PhD. I was able to go straight into a consulting firm even though I knew fuck all about business or their industry. Not sure if that was down to my STEM degree or interview skills/work experience but not complaining.

Either way I feel like the STEM degree = guaranteed good job meme is only true for comp sci, engineering etc

>>17561740
He claims to work 60-100 hours a week doing tons of paperwork, and has also developed a severe drinking and tobacco problem since high school. There is also the risk of grievous harm and injury during training. I thought he was making at least 60k, but it's just over 40k. It's really not worth it.

please explain to me why we aren't throwing college deans and administrators out of helicopters for lying to students about degrees being valuable to employers

>>17562372
You should be throwing employers out of helicopters for not providing training on the job, and letting positions sit empty for years rather than hire a bloke and train him

>>17562403
so many talented people with high IQ's are being wasted and thrown away by this jew capitalist society

an old girl friend of mine from high school who is 2 years older than me was class salutatorian. she works at home depot

there has to be a better system for teaching high IQ people actual employable skills because the current system is holding people back and training them to work at walmart

My buddy has both a math and physics degree from a prestigious university and also can't get a job anywhere that isn't a liquor store.

>>17561225
If you’re Air Force you’re guaranteed O-4 actually. 95% promotion rate.

>>17560394
CEOs are usually slimy sales people.

>>17561024
It was kind of obvious if you had more than a double digit IQ. College is training, what is business admin training for? Being a secretary i guess, a useless job for most.

>>17560239
>B.S. in business administration
>B.S
>Bachelors of Science
>Business admin
You fell for a meme. Business admin is just secretaries. Its a catch all bucket for retards like communications degrees and gender studies.

>>17562840
>>17562816
ok what am I supposed to do. I can't just go back to college for another 3 years to learn computer science

at this point im 2 seconds away from faking my resume and work history

>>17562861
Did you go to a decent college? Is there an active alumni association? If so, hit up a few people for coffee. Ask a lot of questions and try to flatter them a bit. They may be able to get you an interview or at least point you in the right direction. The labor market is really tight right now and a lot of companies are having a hard time filling positions. They'll take anyone with a degree that isn't a total sperg.

>be me
>B.A. econ
>learned to code
>employed as software engineer

>>17563187
Where did you learn to code and how do you get anybody to hire you without a coding degree

Your education doesn't matter, all that matters is knowing the right people. Networking is more important than developing marketable skills; get in with the right people and they will train you to do anything, because they'd rather work with someone likeable every day than some know-it-all faggot.

>>17563206
i'm autistic and read a lot
i went through a program that has relationships with employers and was able to land a job through it. not going to give it's name out here.

>>17563230
Why not? I want to know. Coding bootcamp?

>>17563206
just gotta be smart brother...

sounds like you aren't though. kys? good luck.

>>17563260
I have an IQ tested of 135. I don't feel smart though

>>17563252
no it wasnt a bootcamp. i would be hesitant to go the bootcamp route, personally, although i can't say i've done a ton of research into them

Animation fag here. Getting hired is minimum a 4 month process for me and I sure do love getting laid off every 6-7 months. But my parents pushed the "go to school for what you love". Sometimes I think the Asians have it right forcing their kids to study to be a doctor until the are on the verge of suicide.

>>17563252
some actual advice though, people have great things to say about "lambda school" (at least my friends who work at the company as engineers or invested in their venture rounds). I'm not sure about ISA's but I think in your case (stupid) it'll be crucial to just choose the coding school with the best possible instruction.

>>17563325
>I think in your case (stupid)
kek

>>17560239
Should’ve done your research before doing your shitty fucking degree.

>>17561896
>College is for an education but ok
And look where you are now

>>17562218
>He claims to work 60-100 hours a week doing tons of paperwork

He's a fucking liar talking shit to justify his job. Officers are the management of the military. I guarantee he spends more time on his phone, at lunch break, or yik-yakking with his officer buddies during work hours than he does actual work.

>>17560450
Yeah CPA is gay af. Glad I managed to get a job before I enrolled in it because I was close to.

>>17560239
Just start your own business, Opie.

>>17560257
Wtf is ogn? Is this a rebranding of origin trail? It's such a micro cap

>>17563417
oh ffs biztard. no, it's got nothing to do with pajeet scamcoin origin trail.

TL;DR: it's financial freedom. will very fucking easily 10x next 3 months.

>>17561024
Dumb. Cunt.

>>17563292
then what was it? email me

rarepinkers@nigge.rs

>>17560239
just tell them you have a phd in quantum field theory
tell them that you wanted to try something easy and different in your life once because no real challenge is difficult enough
if they ask something about quantum field theory tell them something about how god and satan invented physics and you have proven the definitive existence of aliens
try to not look dumb

>>17560608
>going back to school for comp sci
i'm learning from home
requires hella discipline but school learning kills my motivation real fast, the way i learn is more comfy and enjoyable and I learn differently

>>17561409
Cringe, women are easily replaced

>>17561951
God you are so naive and dumb. Grow the fuck up you pathetic worm.

business administration is a meme and ambiguous degree where the only semi useful thing you learn is basic accounting and people aren't just going to hire you to manage other people straight out of college with no experience or knowledge in their business. Most retailers wont even do that. You should maybe take the credits you already have and learn something that actually produce a tangible product or service.

Kept doing well at Math assessment papers when given time but barely passed exams. Like they constantly kept changing the structure of the questions from previous years and asking things I didn’t even study. Barely got a degree, how easy it into programming with a mathematical background?

>>17563898
bobby has it right.

even in sales most people who make it up to outside in the high value tech/sci positions tend to have had a background in making or using the things they are selling, while there are hoards of cold calling gen. biz majors who never make it past that, and at best end up managing the other phone pigs.

you listend to your boomer dad and played it the way he did back when the buffets of the world studied business and made it to Madison ave on the back of their successful office appliance biz in salt lake city.

not how it works anymore

>>17562458
Clearly a case of "what are you not telling us"?

If someone got a math or physics degree from a good Uni, let alone both I'd say they're most likely very smart and highly employable

>>17563873
>>17563831
>>17563468
why are you guys sperging out so hard

I got a degree in MIS and only got a job because my dad is a c-suite executive. Lol.
To answer your question, I don’t know. Being a white male makes it very difficult to get hired at any company these days, and that’s not a joke

>>17564007
So how does it work nowadays? Neufeudalism where if you don't ave an "in" aka nepotism you're fucked?

just be born jewish lmao

>>17564260
What if I'm hispanic? How do I signal that on my resume

>>17561225
>>17561373
>>17561422
>>17561473
>>17561679
Former army officer who went ROTC route. Your major doesn’t matter. Only that you have a degree. GPA matters and a basket weaving major with 4.0 is considered smarter than engineer with 3.0 in army eyes. I had 3.2 in CS and a sociology major with 4.0 got a signal (IT) slot and I did not because his gpa was higher and he could do 2 more pushups than me. It’s literally that retarded. No exaggerating. I ETS as soon as my contract was up. I was a logistic officer and I had some good times but generally was surrounded by incompetence and people only promoted because diversity and not merit. If you have to join just go Air Force don’t even bother with the other branches. You won’t be doing what your qualified for and you will have to seethe in silence as the polar opposite college major got your job because they were in an easy non stem major and had better gpa

>>17562218
40k plus allowances might equal 60k+ in the civilian world

>>17564343
It's not going to get better in the civilian world. You'll be surrounded by just as much incompetence and a lot more politics. At least where you're at you get promoted for doing nothing but passing pt.

>>17560239
Imagine not getting an engineering degree

>>17560239
6 months ago I graduated from a mid tier state college with a double major in econ and finance with a terrible GPA (like 2.8 or something) and now I have a comfy job as an accountant working for rich people and making 55k in a nice ass office. after a year or 2 of this I'll hopefully make the jump into finance and start making 70k or more

>>17560239
>B.S. in business administration
I have one too. I've lied on my resume. So far it hasn't reall helped me get a job. Now unemployed for over half a year.

>The economy is doing great.
Ironic how 2+ years work experience and a degree ain't helping. Can't get the low level jobs because of degree can't get "entry level" jobs because not enough experience.

>>17564727
when they say the economy is doing great they are talking about its doing great for the jeff bezos's of the world

>>17560450
Knew a girl back at a previous job. Mid 30's, awkward, no husband, mba in accounting, told me she doesn't like accounting. She was making about $2-$3 more an hour than me and wasn't even a full fledged accountant.

>>17564749
Yeah I know. While for the people it really does mean more jobs, just that a bunch of those jobs are likely low level retail, warehouse, and fast food jobs.

>>17560394
Engineers don't get to be CEOs. They're kept working as a journeyman for 40 years because bumping them up to master would mean paying them more and making them management would also mean paying them more.

The whole purpose of business is to extract that excess wealth, not re-invest it by paying your labor more to do a larger job. They'll hire someone from HR to manage and the engineer will be kept on the line until he's old and gray.

>>17560727
>50k/yr
cuck lol

>lucked into a programming job
>hate programming
I'll run it for a few more years I guess.

>>17561896
College can certainly help by giving students access to things they would never have outside of them like special resources, facilities, internship programs, and most importantly professors and industry professionals who they can network with.
However most people really end up going to college for the young, wild,and free experience, get wasted every other weekend, fuck everything that moves in the dorms, and then barely get their shit together in time to graduate with a decent GPA and 80k in debts.
Basically the only people who really succeed with college are those already focused on their goals, that isn't to say you can't have fun, but there's a level of self-awareness needed there to make anything out of it.

>>17560239
Fucking RETARD

>>17565490
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