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17501381 No.17501381 [Reply] [Original]

guys, what if creg ACTUALLY is satoj?

>> No.17501387

Legally or factually?

>> No.17501730

>>17501381
then satoshi is a gay ass insufferable tech illiterate baboon

>> No.17501842

>>17501381
The BCH boys are starting to realize it as well lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ys4gxyw82w

>> No.17501887

>>17501842
so there are people into shitforks on the fundamental analysis that calvin a self proclaimed billionaire throws a better party than tone fucking vays?

>> No.17502014
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>>17501887
Watch the entire thing, it's actually funny watching all the light bulbs go on as the conversation progresses. The based black dude is actually the most intelligent of the bunch, and he just sits there laughing at them starting to understand what he knew all along.

>> No.17502075

>>17502014
i don't have time for basement dweller cashie bumblings. no matter which shitforks they pick they are probably wrong in why they picked it and wrong in picking it to begin with instead of going with the actual real original bitcoin which is obviously btc.

>> No.17502357

>>17502075
BTC is a pump and dump ponzi scheme, it has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Bitcoin is an economic protocol described in the white paper, and the exchange ticker is BSV. I'm sorry you were conned.

>> No.17502367

>>17501842
Nigger you seriously expect me to watch a 2 hour video. fuck off.

>> No.17502369

>>17501381
BSJeets do not understand how bad it would be for BTC/BCH/BSV if Craig was confirmed to be Satoshi. The entire suite of BTC-based cryptos would decline in value just off the bad PR Craig has engendered with everyone else.

>> No.17502375

>>17501381

He absolutely is

People just dont understand the nature of the game being played or who's playing it.

>> No.17502383

Then
1. he will dumb the market
2. everyone will buy bsv massively
3. everything he has said is true
4. millions of shitcoiners will neck themselves
5. bsv will become the new world currency
6. you will have to stiff

>> No.17502433

>>17502357
if you don't understand bitcoin or don't get it i may have some time to explain it to you.

>> No.17502724
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>>17502369
Nah, just all the shitcoins including the BTC ponzi would go to zero.

BSV would skyrocket as even normies would scramble to get in to the real Bitcoin stewarded by Satoshi.

If you don't like it, STIFF

>> No.17502733

>>17502433
You haven't even read the white paper Ranjeet, you should start with the basics.

>> No.17502834

>>17502369

"The bad PR" is FUD entirely based on the premise that he ISNT Satoshi

>> No.17502846

>>17501381
guys, what if calvins ACTUALLY a retard?

>> No.17502853

>>17502834
No, because the bad PR is that he's going to blow up BTC when he finally gets his hands on that tulip trust. Ruining hundreds of billions in assets, as well as the most successful crypto in the market, all because he's a salty faggot over silkroad shit that went on the better part of a decade ago? Put it this way: If he *is* satoshi and word gets out before he can get the word out? Someone puts a bullet in him.

>> No.17502882

>>17502853
>when he finally gets his hands on that tulip trust.
I don't think even he propounds that particular fraud further, not sure why you feel the need to

>> No.17502892

>>17502882
Because he used it recently enough, and it's easy shorthand to expose him as fraudulent.

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>>17502853
>>17502882
Notice: two paid disinfo shills trying to keep their talking points in sync here

"Ranjeet you are going off script! You are not supposed to admit the Tulip trust is real. Fucking stick to what Moshe told us!"

>> No.17502941

>>17502922
yes and how is that going with receipt of the keys?
AND do you know why he STFU entirely on he subject? Heres a clue. It's called Judge Beth Bloom.

>> No.17502973

>>17502733
i have read it many times my little pajeet friend.

>> No.17503033

>>17502357
Only gains matter and btc will go up cause the whole ecosystem is built around btc not bsv and not bch

>> No.17503046

>>17503033
it's also the only existing trustless permissionless publicly auditable ledger that is secure and actually byzantine tolerant. there is no other.

>> No.17503122

>>17503046
1% hashrate of btc
>secure
Ok

>> No.17503127

>>17503122
read again negro i was talking about btc

>> No.17503241
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>>17502941
LOL, courier arrived, documents have been handed over to the court which is now under seal.

Time to cope Greg

>> No.17503277

>>17503241
lol they don't want an other dude signing a message saying craig is a liar and a fraud or what?

>> No.17503285

>>17503241
yes, I'm sure Tulip Trust III will be totally legit and provable, unlike say, Tulip Trust I, Tulip Trust II, etc. Contrary to popular opinion, the courts are very forgiving and understanding, creating these documents takes time. When you don't get a forgery submitted as evidence under oath right first time, why, JUST keep right on trying

>> No.17503309

>>17503285
frankly i looked at court listener today it looks like this case will fucking go on forever with weekly motions and appeals about irrelevant and made up stuff.

>> No.17503333

>>17503309
i mean just imagine for a second that the entire case is sponsored by calvin... which means he promised to "lose" and settle to ira at which point this all becomes a cheap publicity stunt where neither party is interested in a timely closure. i'm not saying this is what's going on but it sure looks like it.

>> No.17503368

>>17503309
>go on forever
thats about his only route forward now, yup.
problem tho, it's on his dime. He's already down $500k (minimum), his own lawyers will start getting nervous about their costs (doubt Calvin will be covering these, despite what he may have promised otherwise) and the Judge will get pissed off enough to jail someone, eventually. Contrary to my friend above >>17503241 opinion , throwing more forgeries at it to keep them occupied, all just adding fuel to his own funeral pyre. Literally, play dumb games, etc.

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>>17503277
>>17503285
Cope

>> No.17503507

>>17503408
yeah ira filed a falsified document craig gave him when he tried to scam him to court. we know. craig now disputes he is the source of it but did not dispute it BEFORE the public signing interesting huh?

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17503533

What did he mean by this?

>> No.17503553

>>17503533
>when the court cases will be dismissed..
>continues to cry in court and get BTFO by based US judges

>> No.17503562

>>17503408
This, every forgery has been submitted by Ira. I rather not even post proof like you did. If people are to ignorant and lazy to figure that out they deserve to have their capital desimated.

>> No.17503565

>>17503408
yes greg maxwell broke into creg 'govt. computer security adviser expert' system and forged a pile of documents. These were eventually handed over as part of one of various creg discoveries, whether his ATO fraud, or this fraud case, I've lost track. HOWEVER our hero doesn't notice these addresses are forged, despite these addresses forming the sole basis of Tulip Trust I and sitting before court for a fucking year, having now been filed by Ira. THEN, as >>17503507, an ACTUAL owner signs.
>Dr Wright, are these documents forgeries?
>weeelllllll
tldr, convoluted fucking horseshit his own mother wouldn't buy. No wonder he wants Tulip Trust III kept under seal, eh?
>>17503533
yes, the Judge(s) appeared absolutely convinced there were greedy conmen fabricating lies. None of them were Ira tho.

>> No.17503568

>>17502014
What ideas, a weather app haha truly satoshi's vision bwahahha

>> No.17503577

>>17503533
See this for your answer >>17503507

>> No.17503617

>>17503577
>when when when...
so tiresome

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>>17503553
>Based US judges
>Literally a hooknose Jew who covered for satanic child molester Jeffrey Epstein

What did he mean by this??

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>>17503568
Your cope is bottomless I see

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>>17503408

>> No.17504224
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>>17504149
Yep it's the same old tired Greg Maxwell FUD that he keeps regurgitating, hoping any fool is going to fall for it.

But we can keep debunking it, time and time again, but it matters not to someone who is of the (((tribe of liars)))

>> No.17504234

>>17502014
based TK Coleman

>> No.17504542

>>17504224
sv tards seem to believe that just because document hadn't been altered it's content is authentic... funny. am immutable blockchain would just preserve the forgeries forever.

in this case however probably all the documents are forgeries and all done by craig at one point or an other.

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17504702

>Just trust me goys, he's not Saotshi

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>>17504702
it's more like this.
craig does not possess any of satoshis qualities or secrets. craigs reasoning is rude arrogant boastful but technically unclear unlike satoshi who was polite to the point and not ever shy of proving his point.

even in his famous post where he said he doesn't have the time he actually fucking provided a link where he previously explained his point.

>> No.17505980

>>17502853
>he's going to blow up BTC when he finally gets his hands on that tulip trust
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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>>17505485
Yeah this definitely doesn't sound like Craig at all...

>> No.17506146

>>17506027
craig has been doing his best to try imitate satoshis mannerism based on public posts and emails for the last 6 years... with little to no success.

the only thing that is interesting is (assuming it's not all bullshit redirection) he managed to fool gavin. let's assume gavin was fooled and not playing him to throw chaff... that's the only weird thing where craigs ability to actually fool intelligent people gets testimony.

>> No.17506168

>>17506146
also from what i gathered from peoples recounts of meeting with craig he is very very successful to charm people by person. he seems to have a knack for that. to create an air of mystery and superiority. doesn't work one bit in the online space where he just comes off an arrogant abrasive buffoon.

>> No.17506179

>>17506146
yes, clearly the logical explanation is that Craig has spent the last decade of his life trying to imitate Satoshi based on his posts
also, not only did he fool Gavin, but also Jon Matonis and Ian Grigg, two of the by far most intelligent and knowledgeable people in Bitcoin
this guy is just freaking fantastic at fooling smart people
I wonder how long it will take the rusty brains of morons like you to realize that, welp, Craig actually is the main person behind the Satoshi team

>> No.17506251

>>17506179
>not only did he fool Gavin, but also Jon Matonis and Ian Grigg
nah he fooled gavin maybe and svtards

>> No.17506265

>>17506179
>Craig actually is the main person behind the Satoshi team
he wouldn't even qualify to be the coffee guy on the satoshi team.

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>>17505485
>craig does not possess any of satoshis qualities or secrets. craigs reasoning is rude arrogant boastful but technically unclear unlike satoshi who was polite to the point and not ever shy of proving his point.
In 5 minutes you forget this and speak yet again shit about satoshi aka craig, because you're a fucking brainlet.

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>>17506251
>nah he fooled gavin maybe and svtards

What does this even mean? Ian and Jon have openly stated that hes Satoshi.

>> No.17506313

>>17506293
he was trolling m8 that's pretty obvious
not sure about gavin but absolutely sure about ian.

>> No.17506325

>>17506271
what sort of brain damaged turd you are?

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>>17506313
>he was trolling m8 that's pretty obvious

HAHAHAHAHA the utter state

You know that he spoke at the recent Coingeek conference right? And that hes written several blog posts about Craig being Satoshi?

http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001593.html

>> No.17506420

>>17506352
he is a troll born and bread read his tweets!

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>>17506420

Reading it now, epic troll my good sir.

>> No.17507099

>>17506501
told you guy likes to troll it's in his blood.
but of course all tuing machines can do loops and all turing machines can emulate all other.
so a thing that can't do loops can't emulate a thing that can do.

if you show how bitcoin script can emulate subleq and especially as turing completeness is practical to smart contracts have a state and able to drive it's own deterministic state transitions i will admit i'm wrong in calling craig a fucking tech illiterate baboon.

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>>17501381
Thread should be "what if despite >99% probability he is, what if it does turn out he isn't?" Only then this garbage makes sense.

>> No.17507808

>>17506251
I don't understand, are you just flat-out denying the fact that Matonis and Grigg both explicitly say that Craig is the main person behind the Satoshi team?

>> No.17507826

>>17506313
I see, so that's why Ian wrote a blog post about Craig being the main person behind the Satoshi team, then another blog post reaffirming it a year later, and also why he was physically at the recent CoinGeek conference in London as a speaker
makes perfect sense

>> No.17508283

>>17507808
>are you just flat-out denying the fact that Matonis and Grigg both explicitly say that Craig is the main person behind the Satoshi team?
i'm saying they are both making fun of you retards and deflecting attention from their friend satoshi at the same time to a willing clown and imbecile that is craig.

>> No.17508331

>>17507826
>and also why he was physically at the recent CoinGeek conference in London as a speaker
yes, but look at his stance he is not committed to any crypto at all. he seems to be leaning to bch overall but i wonder what he would say if you asked him "which fork is the real bitcoin?" he seems lenient enough about the bullshit that is going on in the sv development probably seeing it as harmless experiment. he looks like a technological darwinist overall. definitely not a zealot.

>> No.17508525

>>17508331
>>17508283

This is some of the most impressive mental gymnastics I've ever seen on /biz/

Congrats!

>he seems to be leaning to bch overall

(Citation needed)

>> No.17508655

>>17508525
yeah, I was about to comment about the sheer audacity of those mental gymnastics, but decided to just let it be; I guess this counts as that comment after all

>> No.17509190

>>17508525
well nothing requires less mental gymnastics than to assume criag is a liar and a fraud. everything else requires huge leaps of faith as you can't verify a fucking thing about craigs statements. the only thing we can verify is graig had some bitcoin on gox. that's about all the fact we have.

>> No.17509243

>>17509190
actually, what you're doing requires orders of magnitude more mental gymnastics

>> No.17509251

>>17509190
yeah the only thing resembling to facts is that gox owes craig 14 btc. what a stash...

>> No.17509267

>>17509243
nope assume craig lies because that explains everything he has said and done and not done. as for other peoples behavior i did speculate and told you what i think could be but i have no idea of their motives.

>> No.17509301

>>17509267
assuming he is the main person behind the Satoshi team actually explains everything I've ever encountered in the space perfectly, and I've been involved in Bitcoin since 2012 and heavily reviewed almost all relevant information about it since then

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>>17509267
assuming he is the main person behind the Satoshi team actually explains everything I've ever encountered in the space perfectly, and I've been involved in Bitcoin since 2012 and heavily reviewed almost all relevant information about it since then

>> No.17509327

>>17509301
>assuming he is the main person behind the Satoshi team actually explains everything
no it doesn't the man is a tech illiterate moron

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>>17506146
>>17506168
>>17506251
>he's imitating satoshi
do you guys ever stop with new levels of cope

>> No.17509756

>>17509327
you clearly don't have the first idea what you're talking about, there's tons and tons of content out there in which he proves that he's not only not tech illiterate, but actually extremely tech literate, not to mention his career history in a variety of tech companies

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>>17509327

>tech illiterate

Yeah, GIAC only gave him all these certs as a troll, right?

>> No.17510046

>>17509570
you seem upset no worries in a few years nobody will remember your shitcoin or your fake idol. it will all seem like a bad dream and you can pretend it never happened.
>>17509756
not really all i can find is stuff where he makes a fol of himself. i mean he is not tech illiterate in the sense of a 70 yo grandpa that can't even use a smart phone. he is however having difficulties with basic physics math and economics as well as information theory. despite spending half his life on one university or an other.

>> No.17510061

>>17510024
obviously he just scammed GIAC with his superficial charm and air of mystery, the same way he charmed his way into professorship at CSU, and also his introductory class there on HPC is just hot air, nothing tech to see there, move along, just superficial charm
sometimes I think I haven't had the chance to accumulate enough Bitcoin (BSV), but when I encounter people who have clearly been involved with Bitcoin for a long time doing these types of mental gymnastics, I will admit, I feel pretty good about my own position

>> No.17510071

>>17510024
i don't know what to say the man thinks information can travel faster than light doesn't understand the simplest thing about turing machines and can't seem to comprehend the true economic incentives behind bitcoin nor the computation theory what makes bitcoin actually bitcoin.

i think a slightly retarded child could do better on those.

>> No.17510081

>>17510046
>you seem upset no worries in a few years nobody will remember your shitcoin or your fake idol.

That's what you said a few years ago.

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>>17501381

>> No.17510120

>>17510071
Cringe, stop it already.

>> No.17510126

>>17510046
I've got a master's degree in computer engineering specializing in AI and data science, and he is not only very clearly tech literate in everything he talks about, but he often blows my mind with some of the things he mentions which I hadn't even begun to think about
I've also had an avid interest in economics for well over 10 years, studying it a lot on my own in my spare time, and some of his knowledge there is also simply astounding
the fact that you don't recognize this makes me conclude with the only thing that's reasonable: you don't know what you're talking about at all

>> No.17510147

>>17510082
anonymity has nothing to do with pseudonymity and privacy

>> No.17510172

>>17510126
>I've got a master's degree in computer engineering specializing in AI and data science
really... doesn't show. at all.
okay then explain what are the miners incentives for storing the blockchain instead of pruning the shit out of it?
also explain how can 0-conf with first seen policy be safe from trivial timing attacks...
go on!

>> No.17510427

>>17510071

>>17510172
>okay then explain what are the miners incentives for storing the blockchain instead of pruning the shit out of it?

Because valuable data begets more transactions. Duh

>also explain how can 0-conf with first seen policy be safe from trivial timing attacks...

Safe for who exactly?

>> No.17510507

>>17510427
jesus fucking christ you truly are a clueless larp aren't you?

>> No.17510534

>>17510507

Not an argument

>> No.17510584

>>17510534
exactly explain that two simple questions or fuck off if you can't! >>17510172

>> No.17510602

>>17510584

Are you drunk? Get it together man.

>> No.17510615

>>17510602
come on still waiting!
1) miners incentives for storing the blockchain
2) countermeasures for timing attack on 0-conf with first seen policy

>> No.17510672

>>17510615
>miners incentives for storing the blockchain

Because valuable data begets more transactions. Duh

Let me put it another way. If someone uploads a meme on-chain and it goes viral, then that transaction in particular would generate much more revenue than what would be lost by storing 100kb of data or whatever

>countermeasures for timing attack on 0-conf with first seen policy

The race is to spread your transaction on the network first. Think 6 degrees of freedom -- it spreads exponentially. It would only take something like 2 minutes for a transaction to spread widely enough that a competitor starting late would have little chance of grabbing very many nodes before the first one is overtaking the whole network. During those 2 minutes, the merchant's nodes can be watching for a double-spent transaction. The double-spender would not be able to blast his alternate transaction out to the world without the merchant getting it, so he has to wait before starting. If the real transaction reaches 90% and the double-spent tx reaches 10%, the double-spender only gets a 10% chance of not paying, and 90% chance his money gets spent. For almost any type of goods, that's not going to be worth it for the scammer

>> No.17510785

>>17510147
so you believe in fraud?

>> No.17510813

>>17510672
>Because valuable data begets more transactions. Duh
first of all no data on the blockchain has any value as it's public information. and value of information inversely correlates with it's availability.
second just because something is on a blockchain and can not be altered it's authenticity is still in question. so it's fucking worthless to begin with.
also no miner has any incentive to spend a dime on hard drives he could spend on asics to increase his gains. they are counter incentivized to store stale blockchain data aside from the utxo and most recent blocks which they have to store.
>enough that a competitor starting late
the timing attack is all about turning this around and submitting your double spend first but far away to the network.
>The double-spender would not be able to blast his alternate transaction out to the world without the merchant getting it
first seen policy means the double spends are not propagated the merchant would be blind. you truly know nothing.

>> No.17510919

>>17510813
>first of all no data on the blockchain has any value as it's public information.

My Twetch revenue begs to differ

> far away to the network.

you truly know nothing.

>> No.17511011

>>17510919
>Muh Twetch revenue
rofl more larps you can't back with shit?

it's very simple dud the graph nodes make forms a topology where distance can be measured in time it takes to traverse on shortest path.

introducing your double spend in china where and near the majority of miners are while with a slight lag introducing your tx to the merchant and nearby nodes around you will split the mempool in two isolating the merchant from knowing what is going on. with greater probability than 90% that your double spend will be in the block.

first seen policy is a very harmful and pants on head retarded attempt at preconsensus.

if you can't understand this simple thing you shouldn't larp as computer engineer.

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>>17511011

>rofl more larps you can't back with shit

Plenty of people have made good money on Twetch, sorry bud.

>first seen policy is a very harmful and pants on head retarded attempt at preconsensus.

You should write a paper on that, I'd love to read it

>> No.17511250

>>17501381


Don't worry. He isn't.

>> No.17511288

>>17501381

he looks like joe scarborough

>> No.17511321

>>17511165
who is this potato
what network carries the blockchain traffic, tard

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17511363

Imagine still thinking bitcoin is a mesh network in 2020

Embarrassing!

It will get harder and harder to successfully mount such an attack as the network becomes more densely connected over time

If not, then you should have no problem making your millions double spending BSV, good luck!

>> No.17511436

>>17511363
interesting that picture is how i always thought the lighting network will end up looking. assuming ring signatures don't change the liquidity game completely for the central hubs.

>> No.17511474

>>17511436
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09082
https://medium.com/@Bitcoin_Beyond/thinking-big-about-bitcoin-again-revisiting-the-complex-social-network-3567e6c8246b

>> No.17511475

>>17511436
>>17511436

What do you make of the fact that there are more Money Button users than Lightning Network nodes?

>> No.17511526

>>17511475
>What do you make of the fact that there are more Money Button users than Lightning Network nodes?
i think you are comparing different things...
1 money button server vs 9000 routing nodes is more apt comparison...

>> No.17511622

>>17511526

It wasnt a technical question, but a cultural one

Why does nobody use LN and why isnt anyone using it to build apps and businesses? Innovation is non existent on BTC lmao

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Who gives a fuck?

>> No.17511753

>>17511678
This. Incentives are the real satoshi.

>> No.17512035

>>17511526
>>17511622

Still waiting... why isnt LN catching on?

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>>17512035
>>17511622

Remember when everyone laughed when Craig said that LN nodes will be strictly regulated and then one of the biggest LN services closed shop because of 5AMLD? Good times.

>> No.17512370

>>17512082
can't make that stuff up

>> No.17512800

>>17512035
i think the entire bitcoin adoption is lagging for one simple reason: there is no need for it in the west where people have easy access to it and can afford to play with it.

bitcoin came at a time when everything works in finance even devaluation of currencies don't warrant bitcoin as there are plenty vehicles that are inflation proof.

you need to have a great systemic crash and large wave of exit scams and defaults to highlight why bitcoin is different from any other speculative asset.

>> No.17512831

>>17512035
>>17512800
as for ln specifically the same thing applies it's not needed yet. credit cards work just fine trustful relationships with banks work just fine. for now...

also nobody really accepts payment in bitcoin that's an other reason. it's not convenient to accept bitcoin payment for a business. and it's not a technical problem as much as an accounting and legal one.

>> No.17512855

>>17506146
omfg you shills are absolutely delusional living in a different dimension or something. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

>> No.17512865

>>17512082
>withdraw your funds...
wat? people still use custodial wallets? we need an other gox i guess.

>> No.17513178

>>17512800
>i think the entire bitcoin adoption is lagging

Dont lump us in with your problems, BSV adoption is doing great. Money Button had 15k users on New Years and it just hit 20k this week. Cope harder!

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>>17512855
They are paid by intelligence agencies to lie and obfuscate 24/7 to subvert anything that threatens their political or financial power structures. It's literally their full time job to come up with creative lies and disinfo, that is why the narratives and lies are so ridiculous and persistent.

They will never concede an argument, they will never admit to being wrong, they will never veer off their given narrative. Their assignment is to shape reality and create echochambers to reinforce the views commanded by their masters.

Then they project EXACTLY the thing that THEY are doing on their opponents. Probably around 80-90% of the anti-BSV posts on Biz is literally from 1 person, Greg Maxwell, sitting in his office with 200 IPs, looking for any and all threads to flood with disinfo tactics, like having conversations with himself, and a barrage of samefagging to give the illusion of consensus.

They are minions of Satan.

>> No.17513292

>>17512855
nothing is going to please me more than imagining that guy's face when BTC goes belly-up

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>>17513256

Ok this is simply based

Have a femmetoshi, marine

>> No.17513469

>>17513178
>BSV adoption is doing great
it's a great bullshit that's what it is it doesn't have 1% of btc adoption to speak for it.

you fags think bitcoin has a technical, utility, fundamental or governance problem but the real problem that stunts adoption is lack of need.

>> No.17513477

>>17513256
>Probably around 80-90% of the anti-BSV posts on Biz is literally from 1 person, Greg Maxwell, sitting in his office with 200 IPs, looking for any and all threads to flood with disinfo tactics, like having conversations with himself, and a barrage of samefagging to give the illusion of consensus.
lol you caught me i give up yeah it's me greg

>> No.17513499

>>17513469
>lack of need.

That's where you're wrong. People only NEED to have bitcoin when they want to do something that can only be DONE on bitcoin.

So when someone hears that their friend made $200 on Twetch, they get on Money Button no questions asked. They dont give a fuck about BTC or the bitcoin wars, they just want to make money like their friend did. And they need bitcoin to do it. And the best part is, they only need 10c worth to start posting, and that comes with the invite.

Starting to get it? We're winning the adoption wars by a huge margin and you're getting shut down for running money transmitter nodes.

>> No.17513521

>>17513499
>People only NEED to have bitcoin when they want to do something that can only be DONE on bitcoin
there is only one thing that can only be done on bitcoin. it's the perfect escape vehicle totally unconfiscateable. you can board an airplane with $200 billion in your packet and nobody is the wiser.

>> No.17513534

>>17513499
>We're winning the adoption wars
nah you are laying with your own piss in an empty rusty bathtub.

>> No.17513542

>>17513534
*playing

>> No.17513550

>>17513521

Not good enough, sorry. I'm not an international criminal. I just want to make money online.

>there is only one thing that can only be done on bitcoin.

Yes, it's called micropayments. It's all in the whitepaper:

"The cost of mediation increases transaction costs, limiting the
minimum practical transaction size and cutting off the possibility for small casual transactions"

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>>17513534

No, I know what winning looks like. In fact, I'm doing it as we speak.

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>>17513256

>> No.17513682

>>17513550
>I'm not an international criminal.
everyone is a criminal when his government finally turns on him. and if not the entire world gets fucked up just your stupid country hen bitcoin will be a lifesaver. people will learn. this is the first great step to adoption.

it will take a lot of time for bitcoin to see everyday use you fags are so impatient. your zero sum tipping circlejerk rolepalying is not adoption you can't just force adoption by play pretend.

>> No.17513725

>>17513667
kek svtards do make greg out to be into a superhuman boogeyman with their idiotic ramblings

>> No.17513731

>>17513682
>your zero sum tipping circlejerk rolepalying is not adoption

Yes it is

>you can't just force adoption by play pretend.

Looks like real money to me

>everyone is a criminal when his government finally turns on him

This is what actual roleplaying looks like.

>people will learn. this is the first great step to adoption.

Any day now, right?

>> No.17513751

>>17513667

I laughed, good show sir.

>> No.17513770

>>17513731
>Yes it is
no it's fucking not
>Any day now, right?
it will happen when it's time nobody can rush it or delay it. this recession could very well be the trigger if it comes with a cascading security default and banking collapse in the eu.

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>>17513682
>your zero sum tipping circlejerk rolepalying is not adoption
that's exactly how value is created in an economy, you produce something, get paid a certain amount for it, and then spend that same amount to buy something someone else has produced; you end up with the same amount of money, but society is richer by whatever was produced, in the context of social media content that would be information found valuable by the people involved
the converse would be the broken window fallacy and demand-side economics, which is laughable and absurd

>> No.17513787

>>17513771
that image is absolutely perfect to describe "sv adoption" thx

>> No.17513825

>>17513787
it's actually meant to demonstrate the absurdity of doing something like that, since no one would do that in reality, yet are essentially still doing so in centrally planned economies
the entire SV economy is completely voluntary, and people are paying each other based on content they find valuable
the fact that you can't tell the difference is alarming, but based on everything else you're saying, I'm not exactly surprised

>> No.17513826

>>17513725

That's because Greg has absolutely been influential in terms of shaping the most prominent arguments against big blocks. You and many others have been ideologically groomed by the man for years. You're literally pawns in his chess game.

>>17513770
>no it's fucking not

It definitely is. All my friends who didnt give a shit before are fascinated by BitCoin now. Huge indicators all around, feels good.

>> No.17513875

>>17513602
Kek 5% drop in 1 hour
Enjoi boy-o

>> No.17513895

>>17513826
>All my friends
i'p sure you and your 3 friends are prominent members of the 500 body sv pajeet army in calvins employ but this is as far from adoption as it gets. even fucking eth or ripple has magnitudes more adoption than that.

>> No.17513942

>>17513826
also here is where i disagree with you fags on the most fundamental level: you seem to think bitcoins qualities and properties are required on micro payments which can be done a billion ways in fact. meanwhile i think bitcoins properties only matter when real and wealth is stored and transferred. and we measure adoption in that. because let's face it: i don't really need my lunch money to be trustless permissionless and secure. nobody does. and sv is none of that anyhow as it is and it's astronomically unlikely it will ever flip bitcoin.

>> No.17513949

>>17513942
*real and serious wealth
this typically means life saving and buying homes and shit

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>>17513942
>meanwhile i think bitcoins properties only matter when real and wealth is stored and transferred. and we measure adoption in that

your zero sum circlejerk rolepalying is not adoption

>> No.17514019

>>17513942
>meanwhile i think bitcoins properties only matter when real and wealth is stored and transferred.

BitCoin's properties completely change with low fees, big blocks and hefty enough op_returns. Real wealth can absolutely be made across a lifetime of micropayments. That's where the immutability factor comes into play; being able to put data onto an immutable medium means it can be monetized in perpetuity, across the entire spectrum of social media and internet commerce for as long as you live.

I would personally much rather have that than mediocre digital gold that has been stripped of all it's most unique characteristics because of naive political activism and doomer LARPing.

>> No.17514038

>>17513973
that's not zero sum at all tho. storing and transferring wealth is real value. and over time because of bitcoins properties can benefit everyone who is not retarded and patient enough.

>> No.17514066

>>17514019
>BitCoin's properties completely change with low fees
or let's just say bitcoin and your shitcoin don't have the same properties at all. except for blocktime. also just because you were lucky to be born in a country without government shitting on civil rights and without hyperinflation and idiotic planed economies that are doomed to fail and your biggest problem is to figure out how to get your mcfries with a random crypto the most edgy way possible doesn't mean these problems don't exist for the majority of the human population.

>> No.17514115

>>17514066
>your biggest problem is to figure out how to get your mcfries with a random crypto

I dont care about that. I care about making money in completely unique ways across global markets on the internet. Everyone benefits from that, even the retarded and impatient. Millions of micropayments over a lifetime is more valuable than HODLing, it actually creates markets that didnt exist before.

>> No.17514139

>>17514066

This is simply not a persuasive argument at all, btw. Nobody in hyperinflated countries is HODLing BTC, they are selling it for dollars so they can actually buy shit. Even Peter McCormack admitted this recently after visiting Venezuela.

>> No.17514215

>>17514139

The difference between BSV and BTC is they can actually make some nice cash on the side with a BSV app. There is literally nothing else that is comparable to something like Twetch, where you actually have real value creation happening and people forming real networks. BTC has nothing to show for after ten years of political activism and being stripped of all of it's truly valuable properties.

>> No.17514349

#FinNexus intends to connect various DeFi related applications and systems together to form a rich DeFi ecosystem.

>> No.17514544

>>17514139
>Nobody in hyperinflated countries is HODLing BTC
there have been plenty of examples. when shit gets bad the supply of foreign currency is controlled by the government. in greece cyprus and venezuela as well as argentina we saw what happens bitcoin rallied every time as demand grew. just watch when this happens to a serious economy like say italy which is over leveraged with awful bad debt... venezuela is a special case btw because it was a commie welfare shithole before the habbening. peoples dependence on the government was insane there. so they didn't really had the means before it happend or after. unlike the people of developed countries.

>> No.17514549

>>17501381
>guys, what if creg ACTUALLY is satoj?
I bought a couple bsv just in case

>> No.17514575

>>17514544
but i forgot the most important lesson venezuela gave us.
when people tried to flee the country the borders were wide open. soldiers let them through but they lifted off all valuables form the refugees. cash jewelry whatever. you wouldn't make it with your gold bars or government bonds. nut crypto heh you can look like a beggar with nothing on your body and be a billionaire... un fucking stoppable.

>> No.17514599

>>17514575

Good luck getting out of China if you have millions in crypto. Pretty soon it will be the norm that the most sophisticated governments run chain analysis on every citizen.

>> No.17514604

>>17501842
This unironically convinced me

>> No.17514761

>>17514604

It's a great video. I've enjoyed all the stuff those guys have done recently.

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>>17514575
>>17514599

Also, you've definitely been drinking the koolaid for too long if you find that to be the most exciting use case for bitcoin. You should actually try making real micropayments for once, something tells me you've never actually done it.

>> No.17515343

>>17513875

Still holding strong at 224 :)

>> No.17515675

>>17503568
it's not even a bsv app
it's a fucking external api fetching weather data from the bsv blockchain
you could remove bsv from the equation and nothing would change lol

>> No.17515695

>>17506179
>two of the by far most intelligent and knowledgeable people in Bitcoin
>Ian Grigg

LMAO

>> No.17515938

>>17515695

Wheres the lie?

>> No.17516524

>Yeah, invest in BSV. Just trust these people with your money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwRZgtTEH08

Anyone who falls for BSV is brainlet beyond imagination.

>> No.17516548

>>17502369
>btc based cryptos
it isn’t ethereum you mong

>> No.17516569

>>17503984
Based. US. Judge.

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>>17516569

>> No.17516689

>>17514790
it is for me it's the number one most exciting use case that i can put my net worth partially into a long term inflation proof unconfiscateable asset and can run when shit turns bad and have a chance at starting over but not from zero in a decent country.

and i don't know anything else besides bitcoin that can do this for me in a trustless manner.

its not coolaid it's a natural consequence of everything that happened already and seeing where it leads. when i have to run i don't think they will bother with me personally i'm a nobody but they can trivially strip me of my valuables and stop my wire transfers and seize my real estate and physical assets.

i'm not alone in this need most people don't realize this can happen some do but don't have the means to go back in time and try to prepare.

and even if nothing happens and i don't have to run this is a possible shortcut to my retirement plans. you can't make this shit up how useful this crap is.

bitcoin does not bank the unbanked. it's almost like you are your own bank. (putting aside that the modern banks primary function is to lend and print money, in the classical sense)

>> No.17517630

>>17516689

Your argument is entirely political, which is why it's not effective or persuasive.

>it's almost like you are your own bank.

Why would I want to be my own bank?

>it is for me it's the number one most exciting use case that i can put my net worth partially into a long term inflation proof unconfiscateable asset and can run when shit turns bad and have a chance at starting over but not from zero in a decent country.

This entire mindset is why BTC will lose... you guys never focus on winning. Just being the victim

>> No.17517686

>>17517630
>you guys never focus on winning. Just being the victim
based

>> No.17517692

>>17516689
>>17517630

Big blocks and low fees. Go build something, make a lot of money and you will be too busy getting rich to care about the doomsday scenario that will never come.

BTC is dead because nobody is building anything on it besides exchanges, tokens and lightning network. It all sucks. Even you cant deny this.

>> No.17517979

>>17517692
everything is trading against either btc,eth or usdt. its an entry point for the most people to buy one of their beloved shitcoins. not gonna change in a while

>> No.17517984

>>17517692
is there even such a thing as building anything on BTC?
as far as I can tell it's just a network of bagholders reassuring each other about how much the air in their bags are worth

>> No.17518123

>>17517692
>Go build something
i have a few projects in mind for bitcoin if i have the time. the most important one is i want to reduce the entire blockchain for full nodes to a fraction of it's current size. that's the most important step to scaling. combining that to technologies like graphene maybe that bch experiments with could be a real breakthrough. i still have my doubts on that because it implies all sorts of preconsensus.

>Big blocks and low fees.
a childs understanding of the tech and the economic model of bitcoin.

>>17517984
>is there even such a thing as building anything on BTC?
you can build services and layers on it i guess.
lightning or sidechains could be considered as building on top of layer 1, businesses like non-custodial signatory services combined with exchanges and futures products also ln liquidity pols can be considered a new type of bank service built on crypto.

the way sv cucks use the phrase no, you can't actually "build" random bullshit streaming services and whatnot directly on the blockchain it wouldn't even be a good idea instead these would use sidechains and or standard layer 2 solutions.

>> No.17518217

>>17517630
>Your argument is entirely political
only a retard would say so who don't understand the meaning of political. this is human nature and the nature of states and governments. it's more fundamental than politics. just as having a police force is more fundamental than politics no country on earth exists without one.

>Why would I want to be my own bank?
up to you thow that want this non custodial non permissioned relationship with their wealth yet enjoy the advances of the 21th century will find it in crypto more specifically in bitcoin. i can't tell you what to like or want. i can just call you a retard if you don't get it.

>you guys never focus on winnin
it's winning if you need it you win against the system and preserve your wealth in face of an undefeatable adversary. and winning if you don't need it because you gonna be rich and monetarily secure anyhow.

>> No.17518315

as a final thought if you trust the establishment then crypto is not for you. there are better cheaper more efficient ways to do everything you try to do as a trustful centralized service.

i'm about as impressed with your childish games of tipping e-thots with a centralized service and a browser plugin on twetch to show nipple as satoshi was with the central banks ability to print unlimited amount of money to bail out banks accumulating insane amount of bad debt.

go back to the fundamentals of bitcoin is my advice... you may not agree with btc strategy of full blocks but you will see how retarded the notion is to pile exabytes of worthless unverifiable data on a global blockchain making everyone's literal garbage and crap a global burden.

>> No.17518393

>>17518315
won't be exabytes in a while, even with terabyte blocks, which will be live on the Bitcoin (BSV) network in 3-5 years, that will still just amount to 50 petabytes of data each year
but sure, maybe in 10+ years we'll be talking an exabyte blockchain, that's going to be an awesome achievement

>> No.17518454

>>17511526
lightning is centralized. more centralized than any other shit coin. it’s probably the most retarded thing about crypto next to gas on ethereum. if you can’t see how retarded tech nerd solutions won’t work then you should just kys.

>> No.17518839

>>17518454
>that's going to be an awesome achievement
it's going full retard if you ask me. im convinced the bitcoin blockchain for a full block shouldn't take up more than about 200 megabytes of harddrive space right now. it's doable sure it will be more later on. maybe it would reach 1gb but i got 1gb empty on my phone right now. in 10 years? it will be a joke. that's the basis for true scaling. combined with a block size increase and segwit it can enable the next wave of adoption even onchain. add to that sidechains and lightning and there is no limits for micropayments either. on ln you could have a billion micropayments per day easily. and still would only take 2 tx onchain for a direct channel to a provider.

>lightning is centralized
bullshit. i can tell you don't know shit about lighting. no worries you will most likely learn the hard way.

>> No.17518855

>>17518839
*for a full node (or a fully validating non mining network node if you like)
damnit

>> No.17518857

>>17501381

How to scam globally 101

1. Fork Bitcoin and copy paste all new Bitcoin core updates to your chain because you cant develop shit
2. Add some “novel” but extremely easy parameter change such as blocksize
3. Sell this change as the ultimate fix to Bitcoin
4. Pretend there is an evil cabal behind bitcoin and thats why this super easy to do change was never implimented
5. Claim it is now the real “bitcoin” and other bitcoins are owned by masons, rothchilds, satan, whatever.
6. (Bonus points) pretend you are literally satoshi himself and you were just joshing about Bitcoin 1.0. This fork Bitcoin is the real one, LOL

BCH, BSV, LTC, BTG, BCD + many others all apply!

>> No.17518974

>>17518857
it's a bit more complicated than that. i mean it started out with bch exactly how you described but ended up with a very different roadmap and scope for the two forks. then bch blew it with this dev tax retardation and probably gonna eat itself by forking to shiterins from here. as for bsv the same thing will not likely happen to it unless craig and calvin are breaking up. small chance of that. altho if craig finds a anew sugar daddy who knows...
bsv is just a bunch of technobabble with no real development but buzzwords and centralized services written in python.

>> No.17519964

>>17518855
>fully validating non mining network node
imagine believing in this meme and thinking that you have any clue about how Bitcoin works
also, 10 years was the horizon for exabyte blockchain, there will be gigabyte blocks within 1-2 years already

>> No.17520074

>>17519964
>imagine believing in this meme
it's not a meme dude that's the basic operation mode of the first released bitcoin client. mining was optional from the get go.

>> No.17520168

>>17519964
i'm telling you it won't work as you think it will work. also... there is one more thing.
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionvalue-btc-bsv.html#log
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/sentinusd-btc-bsv.html#log
if you don't transact value you will not sustain your miners.
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc-bsv.html#log
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-bsv.html#log
shit looks bad overall just as i been saying for years now. if your blocks are not full your blockspace gets infinitely cheap. which means the fees will not sustain miners. even if you artificially inflate tx count with bullshit subsidized services the fees will not be paid and you made everything worse.

now sure with a gigabyte block you could have today in theory the same rewards in fees but adoption seems to be lacking and even the growth rate of the tx count seems to be flatlining by just slightly above btc. which will simply not do. truth is to show the possible value of your blockchain and scaling solution to the miners you need gigabyte blocks right fucking now. not in a few years where the average miner gets a few ten thousand bucks from tx fees per block...

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>>17520074

>> No.17520244

>>17520168
it works exactly how I know it works, it's clearly you who don't even remotely comprehend the structure of the Bitcoin network or the incentives at play
and indeed, miners will not be sustained by a handful of transactions regardless of how high the fees are, miners will be sustained by a large volume of transactions which each have a very small fee, just like major payment networks and data and compute providers today, only more efficient and decentralized
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48#msg329
>In a few decades when the reward gets too small, the transaction fee will become the main compensation for [mining] nodes. I’m sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume.
>—Satoshi
and no, adoption isn't "lacking", SV adoption is exploding

>> No.17520412

>>17520244
exploding looks differently. calm down, the chart say is flat since some time

>> No.17520501

>>17520412
the difference between you and me is that you look at some chart, whereas I'm actively involved in building and participating in applications running on the blockchain, and am also actively involved in the libraries used to store and retrieve data as well as do on-chain computation
a lot of what is being built isn't reflected in whatever chart you're looking at, it's more like an iceberg, and when the market catches up, people like you will be left scratching their heads at why Bitcoin (BSV) suddenly explodes again and again as the network effect of an actually functioning Bitcoin network consolidates

>> No.17520598

>>17520212
you hold up that cap like some magical trophy but refuse to actually go to the first release codebase and check for yourself. nodes are nodes that participate in the network by any sane definition. also miners today are not nodes but specialized devices that don't participate in the network. terminology change (altho this one never really changed) you better adapt!

>> No.17520605

>>17520501
im just interested in the $ going up, can´t care less what these coins actually do.

>> No.17520642

>>17520244
i show you actual statistics and trend and you come back with a forum post from 2010? heheheheh
>miners will not be sustained by a handful of transactions regardless of how high the fees are, miners will be sustained by a large volume of transactions
now who is in denial of the cold hard facts and can't comprehend the basic economic principles of bitcoin? you. no large volume transactions don't automatically support miners and i showed and explained to you why not. in your head 1000x > 10y, but mathematics don't work that way. if y = 1000x then you are fucking wrong and your chain will be abandoned after a few halvings and die off.

>> No.17520645

>>17520605
the price is a reflection of expected future utility, if you don't understand the fundamentals and what the actual value being provided is, you'll get wiped out faster than you can say bubblegum
most so-called "cryptos" are going to violently plummet to zero, including BTC

>> No.17520656

>>17520642
>your chain will be abandoned after a few halvings and die off
perfect description of BTC, thanks

>> No.17520661

>>17520605
then you should just reg to bitmex and trade leveraged whatever you find... you could do a billion times better in theory than on any coins unleveraged long aka hodl.

>> No.17520677

>>17520656
yeah but btc will actually sustain miners as it is starting to do now with fees unlike sv which provides laughable usd value in fees on average since it's existence.

>> No.17520693

>>17520661
until you get violently obliterated by a black swan event
literally the stupidest piece of advice I've ever seen to someone who is just interested in price going up without trying to understand fundamentals, which needless to say is an absolutely moronic stance to take to begin with

>> No.17520712

>>17520677
other way around, BTC will not even be remotely capable of sustaining miners, whereas Bitcoin will be increasingly capable of doing so

>> No.17520744

>>17520693
worked out great the last few years, lets see how long we can go. Fundamentals are overrated. Look at dogecoin or any other coin in the top 100, no one is using those coins for anything, but, there is a time to buy and a time to sell. great market if you are just a charter and trade without emotions attached to specific coins.

>> No.17520764

>>17520693
>until you get violently obliterated by a black swan event
yeah there is always that what you can afford to lose that's what you keep on bitmex. you can also use multiple exchanges bybit seems to be popular. you can trade multiple coins you can use low leverage. hedge in a non custodial wallet etc... there are ways to manage risk.
i personally only trade bitcoin futures and hold bitcoin. a while ago i had some bch but every time i'm beginning to think they are not totally retarded after all they do go full retard.

>> No.17520765

>>17520744
you sound like a stock trader right before 1929
people like you deserve to get annihilated by the coming crash, I guess

>> No.17520774
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>>17513875
Up nearly over 10% vs BTC down 2%
Flippening happens in May

>> No.17520777

>>17520712
>BTC will not even be remotely capable of sustaining miner
and your evidence (or indicator) is where? cause i showed mine. now show yours... or is it just blind faith in the fat fraud?

>> No.17520797

>>17520764
trading Bitcoin is stupid in and of itself, the only rational thing to do is to save in Bitcoin and to use it for applications you build on the Bitcoin blockchain to create value and thus make them even more valuable
BCH is a laughable joke, and BTC is a dysfunctional shitcoin, so I wouldn't touch either with a 10-foot pole, I only hold Bitcoin

>> No.17520805

>>17520765
im in bsv as well, so according to your statement, i´ll be fine either way

>> No.17520823

>>17520777
my indicator is actually understanding how the network works and scales
just thinking about what happened to the BTC network as the price reached $20k should be enough to clue any brainlet with above 70 IQ about how fundamentally broken the BTC model is

>> No.17520839

>>17520777
>and your evidence (or indicator) is where?
Common sense?

>> No.17520842

>>17520805
if your goal is to be "fine", then sure, go ahead, your strategy is a hedge; just understand that everything else you hold will be obliterated
I personally prefer thriving to surviving

>> No.17520887

>>17520823
>my indicator is actually understanding how the network works and scales
apparently not
>just thinking about what happened to the BTC network as the price reached $20k should be enough to clue any brainlet with above 70 IQ about how fundamentally broken the BTC model is
hahaha okay see you at $20k see if the immediate inclusion fees go above $3... bitcoin effectively quadrupled it's tx capacity from 2017. adoption has yet to caught up with that. i never paid more than $1 for a tx in my life except bitmex charge you 5x normal fees for some stupid reason.

>> No.17520900

>>17520839
yeah... so it's just blind faith in the fat fraud i see.

>> No.17520908

>>17520842
nothing will be obliterated, more projects will exist simultaneously without a problem. the ones dying, were just too stupid to actually build something.

>> No.17520936

>>17520887
oh and let's not forget when (and it's already beginning) people can use ln to move in and out from exchanges with their gains and purchase you will probably not even notice much congestion around peaks. but this is just speculation. no idea how fast exchanges and people adapt the tech. could be too late for the next bull.

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>>17520887
>>17520900

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>>17520936
>next bull

>> No.17522433

>>17520952
I was laughing as it reached 1000x, can't wait until it grows exponentially to 1000000x and beyond as BTC dies

>> No.17523106

>>17520967
you laugh now in a year we will laugh at you.

>> No.17523127

>>17520952
exactly btc miners get a few thousand times more currently in fees than sv miners for smaller blocks.

what could be the problem and what happens to sv miners after the subsidy is cut in half?

>> No.17523180

>>17523127
Bitcoin miners rely increasingly on tx fees and less on the mining reward, as Satoshi himself made abundantly clear
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48#msg329
>In a few decades when the reward gets too small, the transaction fee will become the main compensation for [mining] nodes. I’m sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume.
>—Satoshi
BTC miners on the other hand will not have a good time when the approaching halving occurs

>> No.17523225

>>17523180
but as i pointed out repeatedly the opposite is happening. btc miners seem to get better and better positioned by fees compared to shitcoin miners.

so think what could be the reason for this?

>> No.17523266

>>17523225
it's a categorical mistake to compare BTC against shitcoins, since BTC is itself a shitcoin
also, the opposite isn't happening at all, BTC is dropping in price as we speak, making it even more untenable for miners to keep mining it
it's only a matter of time (likely only a few months) until they can no longer escape the realization of what Satoshi meant when he wrote that quote

>> No.17523277

>>17523127
There will be millions of transactions per second, they are building right now on the stable protocol

>> No.17523293

>>17523277
exactly, based and checked
>>17523266
myself checked as well

>> No.17523332

>>17523266
you don't get proportions or something? when btc dumps everything dumps especially the shitforks.
it's just btc miners get substantial fees right now and this ratio will increase quiet perceivably after the halving while the shitforks will not get the same benefit.
>>17523277
when when if when blah blah... the trends show critical weakness in the sv scaling vision.

>> No.17523399

>>17523332
wrong, when BTC dumps, everything else dumps as well except for the actual Bitcoin blockchain, which has value based on fundamentals and utility in contrast to all the other garbage which has tried to imitate it from day 1, including the shitcoin that is BTC

>> No.17523405

>>17523399
>except
that shit dumps the hardest apparently

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>>17523332
>21 posts by this ID
Greg out here spending his days out here trying to convince jeets on a Guatemalan chinchilla grooming enthusiasts imageboard and I've earned $5 and generated 12 transactions mining 21e8 on BSV without even trying. Stay salty

>> No.17523438

literally pumping as we speak amidst a sea of red
keep coping corekeks muh store of value LMAO

>> No.17523443

>>17523431
>earned $5
dude i earn about $5k per hour shorting bitcoin wtf are you doing with your life?

>> No.17523674

>>17523438
>>17523399
Bitcoin Gold is up more. So is this the real bitcoin then?

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>>17523405
what a blatant denial of reality that statement is

>> No.17524186

>>17523758
dude are you cherry picking timespans to the minute this hard you don't remember what happened a few days ago? lol

>> No.17524227

>>17524186
to give you an example since feb 20 btc dumped 20% sv dumped 40% just because it is having a tiny minute correction here accidentally doesn't mean you have bragging rights or can draw long term conclusions on random daily trades. let's talk about this in a few days you will understand maybe.

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>>17523443
>he thinks bitcoin is about bucketshop trading

>> No.17524293

>>17524265
nah that's just what i do for a hobby. mostly practicing shorting bitcoin so that when it goes to $100k i can short the dump just right and keep the purchasing value as it goes back to $10k.

>> No.17525368

>>17524293
I seriously hope you're just LARPing and not actually deluded enough to believe that BTC will ever go to $100k
anyone who saw what happened when BTC reached $20k and still believe that's a realistic future outcome seriously need to check themselves for brain damage, and that's not an exaggeration, that type of self-delusion really is a serious symptom of severe retardation

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IT'S HAL FINNEY YOU FUCKING NOOBS

>> No.17526738

>>17525368

Remember when everyone said BTC was gonna moon past 20k and it couldn't even break 12k? Good times

>> No.17527541

>>17526738
no idea what your point is, when it reached $20k the network literally broke down and became unusable due to congestion and skyrocketing fees

>> No.17527548

>>17526280
Anyone who's been here before 2016 knows this, they just let the retards live in their fantasy land.

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>>17527548
>2016
lol yo newfags are so gullible. keep drinking that greg commie koolade, faggots

>> No.17527916

>>17527660
based

>> No.17528652

>>17527548
>>17526280

Satoshi was a big blocker, Hal Finney was a small blocker. /thread