/biz/ - Business & Finance

if anyone wanted without the cash or /smg/ logo

Fuck ton of new South Korean cases, no way we're having a green day today

>dat trading volume
How long should we wait to start buying?

give me a biotech stock to all in

we red boys, crack open a cold one, it's on me

do people not realize that the thing has less to do with "Panic" and more to do with the economy coming to a screeching halt because no goods are shipping out of china?
This is about the time when the ships that were quarantined should be coming in, but they don't.

me and the boys on robinhood robbing the kikes blind

>DAX -2%
based germans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhiGnj7QX2A

>>17444647
>How long should we wait to start buying?
im curious what others thoughts are too. id start buying on friday personally

>>17444671
should have shorted dax instead of euro stoxx.. but the day just started and its not just gonna stay at -0.9%

mood music for the thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST2H8FWDvEA

Im now 70% cash and 30% Nasdaq short. Good luck frens

BUY SNSS

BANG ZOOM STRAIGHT TO THE MOON

IT'S FALLING THE FUTURES ARE FALLING, THE EUROPEAN MARKETS ARE FALLING ITS ALL FALLING DOWNNNN

Thinking of some two or three month NVDA puts

>>17444688
you got the short position, it's good either way. I'm curious on what will happen tomorrow though.

I'm sorry it's all my fault, I started investing a month ago. Everything I touch burns to ash

>>17444719
more bear

>>17444766
i only have one picture of bear, post cute bears

>>17444754
don't sweat it, I was responsible for what happened in 2018

No one here has an office job and trades at work right? It would piss your boss off and shit

With that in mind would you rather have a remote job paying a mid-tier salary (let's say anywhere from $50K-100K) so you can do whatever you want or in-office job that pays double where you can't be actively trading?

DAX nearing -3%, took my profits at -2%, oh well.

Forget bull market
Forget bear market
We Pig market now
This pig's been fattened for years, and it's time for slaughter

>>17444690
I wonder what new powers we'll get :o
I'm hoping for a new build based around mass options spreads. Can you tell I'm excited about playing with my new butterfly abilities kekkies
Stock trading is secretly an MMO isekai, don't tell normals

>>17444782
it all scales off your expenses.
my total cost of living is about $12k a year.
it's up to me how much excess i want to generate for investment and trade

>>17444629
>DOW dropping hard
Is this bullish or am I retarded

>>17444779

>>17444794
Same my expenses are super low
It's a question of how confident you are that you'll beat the difference in salary in the long run with your hopefully improved investments and trades

I want off this ride

>>17444782
i must've checked my phone hundreds of times throughout the day like every 5 minutes when i was trading at work. ceertain my manager noticed, but i've never had any complaints

DAX CRASHING

>>17444814
I wouldn't be able to just do it off my phone I need multiple desktop tabs open and charts etc

>>17444813
see pic related in op

This is a short term panic. The underlying stocks are still in good shape.

>>17444818
yeah that would be too blatant in most office setups

>>17444782
The office I used to work in had a guy who'd just leave discord up on one monitor and would watch dota 2 streams while doing his job. He got talked to a couple times. Nobody ever even seemed to notice I had 1/6 of a screen showing some weird chart. Terrible place though, nobody got anything done. Probably wouldn't fly in a more important business.

>>17444821
The second I sell it will go up
I am still up 14% this quarter

>Premarket crushed again

Yeah, i'm thinking it's 2008 all over gain

>>17444848
enjoy your redline that was totally optional

>Buying Puts
>Selling them 4 minutes later for 20% profit

>>17444859
Yea I fucked up and put my money in M1 finance for the fractional shares and drip

>>17444754
By all means, keep trading, you're making the bears very happy.

At this rate, I bet Friday isn't going to be an complete bloodbath

>>17444754
I started 2 months ago. I was feeling so hot with all my portfolio (safe big companies to start) being up around 8% and now it's almost all nullified because of this crash.

Well, learning from mistakes and buying from this dip won't be a too bad I guess

>>17444889
I started in October 2018 lost 10% in a week then December came...

>>17444652
snss

SNSS presenting at the 40th annual Cowen Healthcare Conference on March 3rd. Buyout to follow shortly after. GET ON BOARD NOW

>>17444907
Gonna use my bear gains today to increase my SNSS position, I'm ready for the moon mission gents.

Amazon is down 10% from that crazy new high after the killer Q4. That's like... looking very tempting to me. But it's not a position I could then DCA down on or something.

Ugh and big tech is under attack from Europe and the US department of Justice or something... And they have that court thing against Trump picking Microsoft that he could attack them over.. Hmmm

Keep an eye on AMZN I want to own that for the next like 10 years!!

>>17444639
good job!
but what /smg/ logo?

>>17444659
How can you tell what's coming out of china and what isn't? Will you be able to know what resumes and when?

Is this some bloomberg terminal function? Do you have a guy on the docks? An Importer/Exporter contact?

>>17444789
I meant to ask you for more info on your VXX spread strategy! Volatility trading is dang interesting to me.

>>17444889
I started a few days before the coronavirus hysteria settled in. Basically I bought the top of every blue chip company around. Panic sold everything at a loss. Shit luck.

>>17444924
Same here for AMZN
Held them from the earnings till last last week. Were my best performers this year.
But buying anything right now seems like a suicide mission.

>>17444930
>the average /biz/ poster

huge rally incoming guys

DAX hit -3% 1 hour and 10 minutes after the open

I'm selling out

Buy my bags, stupid bulls

>>17444924
bezos sold all of his stock weeks ago and showed up in new zealand days ago wake up

>>17444957

thank you for the cheapies

>>17444924
My VIX strategy: Short it >_<
Hehe my butterfly strat is a way to reduce downside from just buying puts, if I can stagger long put butterflies properly it seems like I can just wait until VXX moves inside their wings then close them, max loss is like 40 bucks if it doesn't work (and it was killer today). IV is so high on VXX options that if it even vaguely looks like VXX could could finish inside the butterfly you can close them early for almost as much as you'd get if they stayed there. Only hiccup is it seems to take an hour+ to fill them even though options volume is huge, not sure why that is.

>>17444754
Me too i literally bought the top lol.

>>17444775
Who here /printing/?

>>17444975
Let us know when you are selling so I can buy in.

>>17444924
>what logo
on the red price square in the op pic

>>17444961
What does that mean?

>>17444971
>>_<
Lurk more

I don't understand why MSFT is falling so much.
How are they even affected by corona-chan? Sure they needed a comedown after going straight up for a while but hitting 165 pre market, shit nigga...

>>17444995
no u :<

>>17444748
why tomorrow? is there something significant?

>>17445002
Hey, I know that hotel
Anon, are you a furfag

Great bear morning
Huge puts
Just woke up and saw futures
The salmon jumping into our mouths
Good day sir

>>17445016
Also didnt.sum1/ say u get tute offers up 3% a day avg steady

No one knocking on my door yet

>+1.5% today
its not much, but atleast something

>left futures page open 2 hours ago when it was all green
>refresh just now
>-411 DOW
>-136 NASDAQ
>-39 S&P

>>17444961
>sold all of his stock weeks ago and showed up in new zealand
He sold some stock like he told everyone he would be doing regularly to fund blue origin.
What am I "waking up" to?

>>17444947
>12 years old
>ass kicked so hard he has to kiss muslim bully's shoes to get through it
>Photo of the degradation show up on the newspaper all over the country
>AFTER that, someone starts urging him to kill himself and threatening to murder him and his mom
Do you and /pol/ love this shit because he's a jew?

Goddamn. That seems like it could easily end in suicide. That's going to follow him around forever.

>>17444990
new zealand is a haven for the absurdly wealthy, the implication is that j beezy cashed out and is chilling in his bunker while the world burns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh1JZVjKUAo

>>17444684
Play inverses and watch the markets. US imports likely to be affected.

is there even any point of buying / selling anything right now?

>>17444981
I bought index stuff, you'll be very old if you wait for me.

>tfw portfolio down 10% total over this

at least i've got 1000 in mrna

>>17445035
>he didn't short the tip

>DAX is dumping hard again
NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN Hitler.jpg

I have given solid advice on thid for a month in here straight my cosciencd is clean

>>17445035
>Put him to sleep and then crash it with the exact same corona FUD

>>17445043
Inverse etfs. Hold until the bottom

This is the most fun I've had in months!
Burn baby, burn!

>>17445080
Advice: sell top buy bottom

Is nkt advice

>>17445080
when, when will we see the bottom.

>>17445088
the certainess of a downfall is quite comfy desu

>>17445091
no, you buy high, and then buy even higher. Never stop buying. Only sell when you are dead.

>>17445043
Yes. You can short usa and play a usa cluster. Selling it out when news hits

Or play short because u think this downturn is gonna be extended into q2+

Or you can buy cheapies. Averaging in and hold longterm for safest gains

Whats ur risk timeframe and goals?

Daily reminder that this is an extremely bullish market.

30k recoveries. Death rate is way down.

The corona meme is nearing its end.

If you aren't buying the dip you're NGMI

Fun fact, when spy gets to 300 we will be right back to where we started in 2018.
2 years gone hahahhahahah

>>17445100
When cnbc tells you to sell, that is usually the time to buy the bottom.

>>17445133
Why is this bad news

Traders win
Investors will recover
Only losers are bad traders and panic

Im actually scared bros
wtf, is this finally the ultimate habbening?
time to short the market with everything youve got?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

How's the bond market this morning?
>>17445129
>>17445109
You should be watching yields that basically predicted/guided the move...

>>17444988
Oooh Nice!

>>17445002
fuck... seriously?
13% down from that (overbought) high?
That's REALLY looking like a good buy for the "forever" portfolio.

FUCK IT
REALIZING LOSSES IN VIAC TODAY AND BUYING SOMETHING I HAVE MUCH MORE FAITH IN.

Also on the list of "wall street analysts are standing by these stocks in correction territory" stocks on CNBC as far as I can tell. AMAT, MA, V, FB, MSFT... FUCKKK I NEED TO BE PATIENT!!!

Disney fucking obliterated... I want to sell but... what the hell for?

sold my world etf
fuck this shit

>>17445156
If you are down big
Then go full short and fuck that up
Ulll blow up your acct

Risk manage any going short move
Clear stops clesr goals

If ur down alreaddy

My inner accelerationist is getting very excited for this decade

>>17445165
weak

why did you buy it in the first place? this shit is meant to be hold years or decades even a full blown recession is nothing in a 15 years span

>>17445091
Do you know how inverse etfs work? Look it up

>My inner accelerationist

>>17445043
Scaling into SPLv, I would wait until it starts to swing up though.

>>17445156
there is going to be a rip your face off rally after all of this dumping. Be careful

"If you panic, panic first"

I should've panicked on monday, I lost 10k in these past days. Now I will hold to the bottom and just keep adding a grand a month to my S&P.

>>17445196
Yes. But if he didnt see top how is he gonna see bottom

>>17445184
i bought it at the top

DAX mooning, buy buy buy

>>17445184
Sell high, buy low, still always applies for making max gains.

this virus is a scapegoat for a long overdue recession. the market is massively overvalued. worry about that, not the virus. you will be find. buy a 5 lb bag of rice if you are worried about going hungry

>>17445224
>he thinks buying a world etf was at the top
>laughingspaceslug.encrypted

World etfs will never meet a top. They will always go up.

>>17445236
Q4 japan gdp
Cent bankers making zombie econ in eu and asia
We work and uber type ipo scams on market

>>17444684
Since it seems we have another 1k drop coming at us. I'm buying leaps on Friday. Mayne 2-3 months out.

lets stick together and call this fucking bottom when the time is right brehs i want some cheapies

Any update on ONTX here?

>>17444684
Factories in China are staying closed until MAY. This fact alone hasn't even been priced in yet.

Should i short the DAX? Or the Dow Jones?

just made 300 euros with BX4 thank you corona chan

>>17445218
The bottom won't be for a long while. Either way, when you start losing money in a year, you will know you are there.

>>17445287
i think eurozone and germany are gonna get hit harder because the virus already landed and is spreading, but in the last days DAX and s&p etc moved pretty much the same so

>>17445278
From the beginning, I always said "Hold to 1 dollar or hold until a recession"

I guess we are just gonna bag hold for a year or more until faith returns to the markets

>>17445277
The bottom is another 50% away

T. /PMG/
with love <33

Selling all my apple for msft, will buy back in in two months once the factories open again

Karl Marx was correct -- once again.

Get fucked, capitalist bootlickers!

>>17445287
DAX today short expecting -2% for today's trading day

>>17445325
You would be better off just selling and then buying back in after the two months. But really you should change the months to years BECAUSE ITS RECESSION TIME BABY

>>17445278
slows crawl back to 25 cents, has nothing to do with viruses or recessions, more that it's a pump and dump dilution machine

>tfw greggs is still getting JUSTed

can the market stop being a nonce for just one second, please?

>Futures up again
Im tempted to short, but we may have reached the so called "bottom" for now

I made a new header image but it's too early to bake and I'm going to sleep. Goodnight!

>>17445382
Dream on! Keep selling!

>>17445043
Yes.
Maybe.
Considering selling:
>DIS
>VIAC
Considering buying HERE:
>V
>LMT&LHX
Want but... trying not to catch the knives:
>MSFT
>AMZN
>AMAT
>MA
>FB

>>17445204
>SPLV
Oh shit there go my low vol gains... who’s selling utilities and staples over this shit? Damn.

yep we're going green by open. if you're selling now you're an idiot

Just own low vol ETFs like SPLV or USMV and use medium to long moving averages... sleep easy

Own some gold too

>>17445043
Im cash gang
Anything might happen and anything I do is basically gambling at this point

>>17445402
Tfw you have to desperately lie in the futile attempt to keep markets up.

>>17445427
It always was. This game has been rigged from the start. Give it up and sell.

>tfw futures are already red

if yesterday was anything to go by, we are about to get JUSTed hard

>just came back from HK
>slowly feeling a cough coming on
I think I'm being paid a visit by Corona-chan.

IDK what to do.

>>17445427
>I’m choosing to hold liquid trash as the global monetary easing policy continues and possibly accelerates, decreasing the value of said trash.

>>17445438
Are you implying that Marx was an exceedingly honest man? I’m not so sure but the people who preach his ideals never seem to be.

Is that a fucking titan head?

>>17445462
Going on /smg/ and LARPing definitely won’t fix help.

>>17445438
Collapse of the capitalist/financial system is antithetical to Marx's concept of the revolution. Marx envisioned a streamlining and progression PAST capitalism via dialectics. He wanted us to perfect production to the point where capitalism would no longer be necessary, not collapse it. That's why Marx didn't intend for the rise of Communism in Russia, he wanted it to start in the most advanced capitalist nations of the day, England or Germany.

>>17445459

>>17445474
>Going on /smg/ and LARPing definitely won’t fix help.
I really really wish I was LARPing. I've spent all night sitting here terrified.

>>17445301
Its never gonna be that easy we will hav e rallies and corona is unpredictable

>>17445459
futures are looking bullish

>>17445475
based and redpilled

>>17445475
Marx was obviously wrong on the revolution part -- too optimistic.

On capitalist economics he remains dead on though!

What stocks should I buy on m revolut account

>>17445507
That's was a common sentiment in the late soviet union, that everything Marx said about Capital was correct, everything he said about Communism was wrong. I'm inclined to agree honestly

>>17445474
>I’m choosing to hold liquid trash as the global monetary easing policy continues and possibly accelerates, decreasing the value of said trash.
Cash is better than holding worthless positions

>futures nearly at green again
BULL RUN INCOMING I TOLD YOU

>>17445521
Not everything. Socialism remains a vastly better and more efficient system than capitalism, as attempts in history have shown.

The question is just, how do we get there?
As a wise man said once: "Sometimes, history needs a little push." And with climate change and the coming economic crisis, there is a growing possibility that the masses will question the current system's legitimacy. We shall make sure of that...

Real Talk:

why be mad about markets crashing, why hodl and BTFD? you can make money in markets betting on price going down or going up, it isn't just betting on up only. hell even with options spreads you can simply bet on volatility regardless of direction by buying both a put and call. why not make money on the most obvious short of our lives?

this is GOOD for the market, those skyhigh evaluations are now coming back to earth. those expensive shares are now becoming cheaper. you know what you get to do? you get to make money on the way down, and then when things get better and start to turn around? that's right! you get to buy in cheap, how awesome is that! the trend is your friend until the end, idk what is so difficult to grasp about that for some of you. stocks go down you short, stocks go up you long, it really is just that easy.

Buy the dip!

>>17445559
Thought wed rally tuesday

We are due for a green day

>>17445563
>Socialism remains a vastly better and more efficient system than capitalism, as attempts in history have shown.

source?

>>17445559
How short is your memory? Futures mean nothing anymore. Yesterday, it was also green and it turned into a bloodbath anyway.

>>17445575
>We are due for a green day

>>17445583
Are they welding in people in italy yet

>>17445600
It should be choppy

The market is obsessed with buying dips and v recovery

>>17445608
Although i guess ppl have been buying dips thu fri mon tue and burned out a few

>>17445572
wtf how is a stock going yesterday a guarantee that it will go down tomorrow, and vice versa for up

You guys managed to burn through 2 threads while I was sleeping. Clearly bear markets make everyone more chatty here

>>17444652
GILD

>>17445650
we're at like 3x-4x the December post volume this week
we've gone through some threads in under 2 hours
it's a very busy time, lots of noise and excitement

>>17445635
it clearly is not. But if it keeps going down until friday we are talking about a trend. I plan on holding for today and hedge with inverse funds, I'm selling if it gets fucked beyond belief, I already lost too much.

Why is YANG down in after market hours while sqqq is up if China is driving was down?

Is there a US factor independent of China or is the market just totally irrational?

What are the tickers for treasury yields, so I can watch the charts?

>>17445689
YANG is just an inverse 3x FTSE China
Look there

DAX collapsing again?

>>17445582
Uh, the Soviet Union, the entire Eastern Block, China (until Deng), Cuba?

Socialist countries always faired better against their capitalist counterparts at the same economic development. Look it up at the UN.

The university of Bremen (West Germany) even recognised in a study that the infamous GDR had steeper economic growth than the West one, despite being much smaller, lower population and being embargoed out of the world economy by the west.

Maybe this historian could give you a hint at a better perspective:
https://youtu.be/6Tmi7JN3LkA

I'm thinking, ppl would probably be buying this dip if we excluded international data

Even with china not resumed heavily. They would like the new case declines even if heavily edited.

The international geometric increase is what is really spooking people and why they didn't buy the dip. too much uncertainty

>>17445704
Is there a more representative / "better" inverse ETF I ought to look at?

>>17445482
1) calm down. realize that any increased heart rate or feelings of nausea that kind of come and go with varying intensity is probably just adrenaline from a lowkey conscious or unconscious anxiety about being sick. adrenline, and its effects (sweaty palms, needing to poop, nausea, rapid heart rate, light-headedness, ringing in ears), takes about 15 min to metabolize. look at the nearest clock, wait 15 minutes, and chances are you'll be feeling better at least mentally and emotionally.
2) get a shitload of vitamin C either through pills or powder supplements and zinc lozenges. was a bedside medical worker for 5 years and that shit would absolutely destroy anything that came into my system
3) if you're not in the US chances are medical bills aren't a concern. really no harm getting checked out and if you have it opt to self-quarantine
4) the choice is yours: stay home and take antibiotics and comfy, go out and try to affect the markets by targeting certain corporate eating areas

>>17445321
fucking hope it <3

are we at bottom yet? when can I get Google stock

>coming to a stock market thread to larp and talk shit on capitalism during a stock market pullback

How do you not see through this pitiful cry for attention? He barely even references Marx, just talks shit.

This is that weed tripfaggot. He barely got any attention last thread and now he’s back with a new contrived persona.

Please stop feeding these losers the attention they crave. The sooner they get bored and fuckoff the better.

>>17445716
>>17445689
I still hold chinese stock and they have recovered at least 75%. In some cases, they hit 2 year highs (tencent). Last night they went down a bit but nothing like what has been going on in the us market these last 3 or 4 days. The answer is probably there. Also, china has banned shortselling or even selling stock if you're holding over a certain amount of money. China stock market is completely manipulated and shielded. the US market is not, aside from the panicking and algo selling, I believe there is MAJOR short selling speculation going on.

>>17445758
you do realize china banned selling and then was buying those stocks

>>17445635
>guarantee

lmao that's not how markets work. you get to know the past and the present, you generally want to trade along with the trend (which can be short, medium, and long term), and you have proper risk management with stop losses and scaling out points. you have an edge which you take advantage of over and over and over, there is no "guarantee" and holding overnight is inherently risky because stop losses don't work in the premarket.

or to put it another way: you get to know what the current short/medium/long trends are, and you expect the trend to continue until there are indications that it isn't. since thursday of last week the SPY went into a downtrend and it continues to do so until right now. ultimately it is all reflected in the price action, you could know literally nothing about the news going on and still see that the SPY went into a downtrend since thursday and has stayed there.

idk how to simplify this anymore, but i'll try... if the long term trend is down, the medium term trend is down, the short term trend is down, you should probably short shit. if the long/medium are down and the short term is up, you should consider covering or at least taking some profits and wait for the short term to go down again for another entry point. get it?

>>17445733
You could so easily do that in the US, you're EXPECTED to go to work sick and wearing a mask is unamerican

What do you use to monitor the bond market?

>>17445280
Source?

>>17445462
>>17445482
Make yourself sleep in a warm bed, eat if you can (but don't force yourself), drink water (or a water substitute like soup or OJ or tea) as much as you can
Dress warmly, take a mild NSAID like ibuprofen if you can't sleep or if you have an uncomfortably high fever

>>17445756
Aww, did I hit a nerve? Not done coping for a coming recession?

>>17445821
Rick Santelli

>>17445462
Go to the store and to stock up on pedialyte and stay hydrated. Be sure to cough on everyone around you, i'm hoping for spy to retreat to 200

>>17445849
He doesn't have one because it is a lie. The only reason many are still closed is that the government mandated that they supply workers with surgical masks to help mitigate potential spread of disease and there is currently a massive shortage of them, so they cannot meet the requirement right now.

>>17445709
making nightmare scenarios into slightly less nightmare scenarios doesn't really convince me, sorry. it also completely glosses over the millions of people who died as a result of communist tyranny, one of my favorites: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

at the end of the day, especially in the U.S., you aren't going to convince me that having the people who work pay for "free shit" for the people who don't work is a good idea. things aren't perfect, i'll grant you that, but the answer isn't to let the historically unoptimized bureacracy that is the government take control of everything. im not a fan of getting sent to the gulag because i didn't call a tranny by the right pronoun, maybe it's just me, but no thanks.

RED DAY YESTERDAY
RED DAY TODAY
RED DAY TOMORROW
RED LIFE

Futures green
Puts are tempting but it could go anywhere from here

Aaaand we are back. Thanks Trump, for saving the market and economy.

news is full of FUD guise. Buy the pic related

>>17445936
You're literally RAPING me right now with that post

>>17445950
Why hasn't he followed through with his number one campaign promise of making anime real?

>>17445959
>Buy the dip yesterday
>SP500 still sliding down

On the one hand I'm not panicking because the market always recovers
On the other hand seeing all my profits from the last few weeks evaporate over a weekend for really stupid reasons is pissing me off

We've known the virus got out of China and is basically unstoppable for ages now, why the fuck did this panic selling only happen on Friday-Monday

Are traders mostly braindead retards or what

>>17444917
I unironically made ~$800 off APT calls ($7.50 March expiry)...my target was $8-10 so I sold there the rest at $10. Kinda regretting it today as I woulda made another $1,000 had a held, but oh well. Better to sell too early for a profit than to sell too late for a loss.

Well, taking those profits and buying a blend of $1 calls and $2 cheapies for April. It’s the SNSS way or the highway now...

>>17445616

When are we expecting SNSS to hit 27b market cap? Clearly they won't 27x after this upcoming earnings, but I want to leverage up with calls and don't know how far out my expiry should be.

IV looks super high on snss right now though, I assume because earnings it probably in a few days. Should I avoid buying till then?

>>17445778
that's exactly what I said in my post, dumbass.

>>17445936
The biggest jump in Chinese life expectancy was just after le famine in the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution. If MLM is so evil why didn’t this happen under the Empire, KMT or Japanese colonial rule?

>>17445959
that looks like good dip

This shit is everywhere
asymptomatics are sneaking by detection

>>17446014

No, $2.7 billion- its hovering around $100 mil right now. I think a more realistic mcap is around $500 mil before a buyout/merger happens...if data is REAAAALLLY good then it could go $1 bil, but really shouldn’t be valued less than $4 a share or so if we get even one partial response.

Aaaand we're back! Futures are green.

>>17446051
and sometimes even sick people are passing diagnosis

http://archive.is/V6IgT

>>17444659
i've been saying this for a while now. media and the garbo financial analysts have been trying to pin the looming recession on fear and irrationality to make investors think it's just a big nothingburger

>>17444629
is there going to be any green today?

>>17445959
sells the news sure, but the rumor is it's happening

>>17446066
>feds pumping futures and index funds at opening
surely it will work this time!

>>17445986
This isn't just panic selling. It'd take a long time to explain here, but the virus scare is a cover for the drop--which isn't over. Same way tariffs were a cover for the drop in 18, housing crash in 08, dotcom bubble in 02. It's all a cover story for the newspapers. The real reason the crash is occurring is because it's time. Someone somewhere has a calendar and tells their business partners when to sell. Money is changing hands. It's recession time.

>>17446066
nooooo i want to buy stuff on sale but have no extra moneyyyyyyyyyy

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

imagine being a tripfag

>>17446111
oops wrong screenshot

>>17446066
don't be a retard. this happened yesterday too and and an hour after the opening the bleeding started.

>>17446086
no one knows. I don't think so.

>>17446096
this is what I've been toying in my head with for a long time. Wasn't it jp morgan last week saying "the market could use a rest"? Like he was speaking in code to insiders.

>>17445418
I don't understand what this means.

What is special about these low vol ETFs that makes it good to get them right now and how do moving averages come into holding them?

Threadly reminder to never sell.

>>17444629
Today is bad day :( I survived last 2 days but no way I survive today

>>17444647
>>17444684
Cost average it. Easier than trying to figure out the absolute bottom

>>17446086
no, we're only stopping at maybe 20 to 30 percent points below ATH
dip buyers and the feds are braking the fall

>>17444652
Snss

Coronavirus is a nothingburger, but stocks are so overbought that literally anything could crash the market. Prove me wrong.

OH GOD MUBARAK IS DEAD
(Presumably from coronavirus complications after surgery)
SHORT EGPT

>>17445986
Humans tend to act in herdlike manner and panic is contagious like that. Reason why we have terms like “mass hysteria”

I think a bunch of shit hit at once and “shit got real”. Italy breakout, cruise deaths, not slowing down in Singapore despite the hear, massive breakouts in Korea, CDC getting VERY negative, etc etc

>>17446066
reminder

>>17446173
you're just saying what everyone thinks, even the garbo financial analysts trying to pin this recession on coronavirus fears

>>17446073
It's an 80/20 game

Because of irregularity of super-spreader action the virus in initial outbreak is irregular

So you have 10 people come into country with this virus. 9/10 lines of the virus may just die out on their own, except 1 person spreads it to 10.

Then of those 10 maybe 2 spread it but to 10 people each, etc, then you get one of the 20 who is a food worker and he spreads it to 200 people, of those 200, 20 spread it to 10 people, 400 cases now, 1 of those is a doctor who sees 50 patients a day, etc

It was like sparks over the world and it lit flames in Italy, Iran, Japan, Korea, etc.

Now those fires are making their own sparks, what country is next?

How much SNSS should I buy
I have about £100 to invest as I am a jobless NEET

>>17446197
ofc this is for low number of cases, high irregularity in outcome.

For high number of cases the crazy RNG decreases and you get steady increase without shutting down your country/province/area.

>>17444652
SNSS

Like clockwork

>forgot to set stop losses on my small cap memestocks
>lost $11k today
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>17446135
Doubt that whoever was reporting that really is an insider. JP Morgan is an important financial-historical figure who had insider knowledge back in his day. These days, I don't know who really calls the shots. Dark pool buying usually rises during large down days, and the last two, it hasn't. In Oct. 18 the wallstreet journal stopped reporting on major buyers and sellers-they had a daily spreadsheet going. It never came back. CBOE increased their margin requirements on futures trading due to higher expected volatility around the same time. Then December happened. Margin was increased this past January. I doubt the worst is behind us.

Based futures red again!!!!

where are we currently?

so, all markets are down, commodities and crypto as well as stocks. where does the money go? U.S treasuries honestly don't sound so safe anymore. with negative interest rates all over europe, will we be seeing bank runs? i'm new to finance. is my thinking retarded?

Liquidate your positions and stop investing for at least a few months. Then when the time is right, get back into the game.

>>17446291
lmao, thanks Satan

>>17444701
Based
>>17444904
Based

>>17446280
Denial

whats the go with the shanghai composite? it just goes sideways forever. how could something like this not have a drastic effect on it?

>>17446284
Sure are talking a lot of shit in this thread for someone who doesn’t understand what would cause a bank run.

What makes you think negative rates would cause a bank run? Generally individual savers aren’t charged interest by their banks, it’s the banks who pay it to the central banks who lose money, thus have more incentive to loan to people like entrepreneurs and homebuyers, theoretically stimulating the economy.

Bought Puts and will have a flight now
When I land I want to see +100% so sell my niggas

>>17446173
The virus has basically shut down China and as a result global commerce is really fucked up.

>>17446154
Im in the same boat, I was 50% cash. Dropped 25% Monday close, "buying the dip", other 25% yesterday"buying the dip".
I'm 100% equity now. All that's left for me is the incoming pain

>>17446284
gold/silver most likely. even bonds despite the yield going down, money managers in these scenarios are mostly just trying to not lose money as opposed to trying to make money, that's how "safe havens" work. basically, in good times institutions are willing to take risks to make a lot of money. in bad times, they just want to not lose money, just outpace inflation basically. right now with nCoV we're in a bad time, as the market is forward looking and obviously the pros see global growth going to shit this year.

>>17446318
It’s being manipulated

>>17446332
it's hard for me to accept that people are this stupid but here we are i guess. try taking this time to learn how to read a chart while you wait out your losses for a year or longer.

>>17446280
1/3rd down

>>17446284
>U.S treasuries honestly don't sound so safe anymore.

So wrong.

Also fixed income (bonds) aren’t just government debt, everyone borrows money

>>17446318
Ban selling
Buy it with gov funds

It's magic

>>17446322
Bro I hope there’s no Asians or Italians or Greeks on that plane. You might catch that bolona virus.

>>17446339
The desperate bond buying is why the yields are going down.

>>17446332
even as a bull... you NEVER go all in. What if your favorite stock suddenly goes on sale? Do you have a massive paycheck on the way or something?
Also recommend having 5% in gold duderino

>>17446319
should have split my post in two paragraphs, didn't mean to imply the first part had anything to do with the other. i know many big european banks are struggling already, and we're heading for recession

>>17446331
but with like 10 new cases a day why don't they just re-open factories? 10 cases over billion people isn't hard to handle

is something up?
are they lying?

>>17446280
between denial and fear

>>17446214
£100

>>17446373
and turns to panic if we get a USA cluster

god the red if "unrelated to any known case a person has died of coronavirus in new york"

>>17446366
That doesn’t change my response.

If anything it raises more questions. How old are you and how long have you been paying attention to the European banks?

>>17446382
We would probably have 1000+ cases in USA by the time we detect a cluster.

>>17446372
China is a controlled information environment so it is very hard to determine what’s actually going on.

But, even if the virus was cured tomorrow there is still a delay between you open a factory and when it’s back to 100% output

Alright lads, market's opening red today, time to make some money!

my very first trade today, hope i dont lose it all!

>>17446410
I'm thinking the hidden or asymptomatic worker who gets into the dorm and is basically in cruise ship like environment with thousands of other workers.

then 4 weeks later.

>>17445933
So it's indefinite. Possibly until May, you're saying.

>>17444782
I do some of my trading at work. No one gives a shit. But I don't do it at say random though, no I do it during my lunch or other breaks. I bring up the tickers in Google and leave them sometimes. Again no one cares.

I'm sorry guys. I'm looking for some reason to go bullish. I'm desperately attacking my hypothesis.

It's not there.

I can't.

I can't fucking find a way this doesn't further go to shit.

>>17446280
some anons selling everything are already at capitulation

the fucking graphs
whats happening worldwide
the amount of new community transmission epicenters
the amount of world transportation
the asymptomatic spread
the super-spreader driven phenomena

it's fucking going to shit guys

Dumped a third of my inheritance into Vanguard a fortnight ago, glad I decided to DCA or I'd be a little upset right now. As it is I'll give it a few weeks before I put another third in.

I'd hate to see my 401 now. I bet it's getting hammered big time. Considering there's way more for me to lose in it... God, could you imagine, some poor fuck getting ready to retire and then this happens? Goodbye retirement plan.

>not a pandemic!! just deeply concerning
why is Tedros such a nothingburferfag?

>>17446447
even if we believe China

what the fuck did they do stop the spread?
"Everyone stay at home" since late January.

It's late February and they've shut their economy down for it.

Even then they would have to deal with a rise of R0 when people move around again.

Even if they got it down a lot
It will go straight back up when 1 person slips into a factory dorm

>>17446365
>Do you have a massive paycheck on the way or something?
I do actually, I'm in Canada and put a shit ton into my RRSP reducing my adjusted income to almost nothing. My effective tax rate is going to be 6% and I filed yesterday, the first day efile was available so I am not totally pigeon holed but it is only a fraction of my total assets

>>17446443
Are they the same anons who thought coronavirus wouldn't do anything? I want to know about the anons who were buying spy puts before the dump started last week. Who was buying puts Wednesday or earlier, even weeks earlier?

Those are the ones I want to hear from.

>>17446173
right about stocks, wrong about the virus.
Novelburger.

>>17446469
so yes

Maybe we stop the spread in some other countries

by stopping everything for 6+ weeks?

For the chance an irregular super spreader event happens and we are right back 6 weeks ago minus 6 weeks of economy.

This is fucked
ABSOLUTELY FUCKED

so TD Ameritrade doesn't have the convenient "discover" function for options trading, or does it?
basically this is what i'm looking at but i can't tell the extrinsic value from this, or if i could i don't know how.
what am i missing?

>>17446472
they're all dead kek

Maybe Iger has some sudden medical diagnosis or something completely unrelated to the company?

I don’t like this.

>>17445387
Bretty good op
Nice work
My hands are weakening on some of these holdings though.

Is it selling the dip or panic/selling if I throw away some holdings and put the cash in V and MSFT?

>>17446485
so lets take USA

do you believe we are "airtight"

how many weeks and what probability away from a cluster discovery

what will happen to the market?
what will happen to demand?

If you do buy in
have a long time frame
average in
don't trust any rally
risk manage

Finally the melt-up market has become the melt-down market. Based.

>>17446467
didnt they already call it a pandemic

How obvious can they be, the bogs probably called and told them to turn it down

>>17445986
>Are most traders braindead
Probably. Hold bro. You'll get your profits back but don't be a fool next time and use money management. Coronavirus isn't that impressive in its statistics but people are very scared of it. Its time to buy the dip now and wait for the recovery. Simply buy into the fear.

>>17446511
Based.
>tfw will never be involved in a battle with 2 tractors
Where did I go wrong anons?

>>17446450
Jesus Christ people
Why are you buying in halves and thirds and not just buying a nibble, and buying a bigger bite if it goes down a little more?

>>17446548
For me it's the greed

>>17446472
>>17446472
>>17446472

kek m8

HOLY FUCK APT!!

>>17446362
>+1

Communism is magical!

You sell stock - we shoot you in warehouse - your family pay for bullet! Haha pig disgusting capitalist!

>>17446548

I knew some kind of correction seemed likely but I didn't want to just leave it lying around in cash for half a year waiting to buy some theoretical dip. I would've spent the whole lot in a single order if the market hadn't been at an all time high.

what supply chains have been affected the most by this virus? which ones are yet to be affected?

>>17446617
all of them and all of them

>>17446617
globalization is so fun that it just keeps going

from demand to supply, it really doesn't matter

>>17446617
Your moms supply chainz

>>17446617
tech

>>17446617
if you dont have your money in short term US treasuries right now... i feel for you

Lost about half a year of gains so it's not too bad but this looks like it's this is just the beginning, I'm selling everything but KO.

DNB ASA dumping super hard still even tho they have already announced 1dollar/share divvys in 2 months, why do people hate their money?

>>17446660
good

Reminder to eat your veggies with your bat soup

anyone got an answer for this real quick?
>>17446490

DDD earnings tonight
can't wait to watch what it does
lots of ideas on what to do

Sadly can't really justify heavy dip buying in this current environment.

>>17446490
TDA sucks for any kind of serious trading. Use Lightspeed or Sterling.

>futures

Nice. More money for me.

>>17446704
Everything is going down 10% a day it’s crazy out there bro stay frosty

trump "briefing" on corona, expecting a slurring guy coming up and saying retarded shit and trying to pump it while market ignores.

>>17445986
>Media spreads fear
>Market reacts to fear
>Market enter correction
>People takes profits because they don't want to be in a declining market (even if its short term) which pushes the market down
>Traders fill up on shorts at every major resistance area which makes the market look dumpy TA-wise which algos reacts to
>Media keeps pushing out fear articles that algos also reacts to which pushes price down even more
I mean it's just like clockwork.

The thing is though, one good news cycle will push the markets into recovery mode because we're still in a strong bull market even if the short term trend has changed. BUT this drop might has caused more damaged than we think, remember last year when Germany and other smaller parts of Europe was literally french kissing recession but didn't invite it up to bed? That might have changed now because of this and that along with China + all the bad news for major companies next earnings might actually push us over the edge

>>17446760
>>17446760
>>17446760

NEW
NEW
NEW

>>17446760
>>17446760
>>17446760

>>17446224
when to sell SNSS again. I see random numbers floating around, ranging from 4 dollar to 20 dollar and anything in between.

What is realistic.

>>17445462
I hope you keel over, capitalist swine

>>17446467
Cares more about muh markets than actual human lives

>Ein Sprecher des bayerischen Gesundheitsministeriums fasst zusammen: „Wenn es erforderlich ist, können auch wichtige Grundrechte wie Freiheit der Person, Versammlungsfreiheit oder Unverletzlichkeit der Wohnung sowie das Recht auf körperliche Unversehrtheit eingeschränkt werden.“
A speaker of the Bavarian ministry for health summarizes:
"If necessary, we can revoke certain basic rights like free movement, the freedom of assembly, the inviolability ofthe home and the right to physical integrity (right for life and health)."
Jesus

>>17444652
Nvax.

>>17446467
WHO members are paid for by China many times over, and Tedros is particularly well funded and fond of Xi. Nothing to see here!

Got 300 bucks to throw into it today. Using 200 to DCA some divies a bit, dubs decide where the other 100 goes onto

>>17445936
>Muh gorillion dead people
China was the "Sick Man of Asia" before communists took power. It had constant famines before, some of which were worse than the so-called "Great" one. Which gets overemphasised by western propaganda media. Not to mention how they blatently inflate the numbres, which is why the supposed death rates keep changing. It also downplays other factors, which lead to the famine like natural disasters etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines_in_China
The Chinese population exploded and life expectancy increased by a lot, due to the improved living conditions thanks to the communists. And that within record time, whereas capitalist countries tend to need centuries to achieve such results if at all.
But let's also ignore that such famines happen in capitalist countries too and more regularly. According to the UN over seven million people starve to death each year worldwide, despite the fact that we produce enough food for over 10 billion people right now -- how efficient (sarcasm).

Also, you clearly haven't even looked at the other part of my last post. Typical closed-minded idiocy.

Things are also not just "not perfect". Thanks to capitalism we are literally heading towards extinction with man-made climate change. This is the biggest failure any system could possibly achieve.

*The mindset of capitalist "economists" (see pic related)

>>17447044
Based germans

>>17448254
Kill yourselves, fascists... unironically. You are the only subhumans around!