/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17180144

This is PROOF college isn't about "getting educated". It's about jumping stupid hoops to conform like a bitch for employers.

>>17180144
The whole point of college nowadays is to literally filter out people like your friend. Nobody wants to hire somebody who's "depressed". Very unreliable, unmotivated, why would that person have good job prospects?

>>17180171
>Very unreliable, unmotivated, why would that person have good job prospects?
Are you stupid as mother fucking shit, clown?

They invested MORE effort than someone who did a fluff degree, moron. Can you lot read? They showed MORE work ethic by doing a degree that is actually hardcore as shit. Dumbass cant even understand what I posted

>>17180144
your friend is retarded for quitting after 3 years and even more retarded for being unemployed, they deserve to feel worthless and probably should kys. also depression isn't real, it's used by retards as an excuse to avoid responsibility

>>17180190
*not

>>17180171
again, dipshit. Someone could do what I said in the op (3/4ths of every single degree in existence) and be seen as "less educated" as someone who majored in fucking sociology.

Again, this is PROOF that college isnt about "education" or even work ethic. If that were the case, the actual classes taken and units completed would be seen as more valuable than the fucking piece of paper itself.

Your dumbass actually just said 3/4ths of engineering is easier than 4 years kf a fluff degree. Do you even hear your dumbass?

>>17180220
Nobody ever said college was about education lmao. It's not the 1600s anymore mate. You're not getting a decent education unless you pursue masters programs+. You shouldn't be looking for proof, nobody dents this

>>17180204
So if I burned you alive, killed your whole family, chopped your dick off, shove it up your ass, and chopped off your arms and legs, youd be peppy?

LOL!

Also dipshit, have YOU ever even done engineering? Probably not :). Easy to talk shit and pretend its easy when you havent tried it yourself.

Dunning kruger effect.

>>17180144
Finish what you fucking started nigga. An employee who knows a lot of different shit, but ultimately can't finish a long term project is less valuable than a motivated retard. If you think getting filtered out because you have no degree sucks, wait until you start getting filtered even with a degree because your resume is empty or not formatted correctly.


There's a lot of bullshit hoops we gotta jump through. Get over it.

>>17180239
My point still stands, stupid. I destroyed your dumbass logic of "your friend is just lazy". I anally destroyed you there. Again, at the very least, the screening process shouldnt be based simply by having some dumbass degree. That shouldnt even be a thing and if college is still stupidly used as a screening method, it should be based on the units completed.

>>17180242
>get over it
Spoken like a true bitch. I also am not "my friend". Its an actual story. Its mother fucking stupid.
I fucking hate conformist bitch made people like you
>its normal to have your ass stretched by an employer. Get over it
kek

>>17180241
I mean I would obviously be sad if something happened to family or friends, but I wouldn't allow that to stop me from doing my essential duties in life. People who are mentally weak and lazy use tragedy as an excuse.
I haven't done engineering nor did I say it was easy. It just doesn't make sense why you would pay 60k for 3 years of college just to drop out when your 75% done.

>>17180253
>it should be based on the units completed.


It is based on the units completed. Your friend only needs about 120 credits or 150 for a CPA. If you're too stupid to take the senior seminar and just finish out your degree that's your own fault. He could have double majored and had a degree by now like every other overly ambitious retard who puts too much weight on college academics instead of job searching.


That's wasting your own money for literally no reward. FINISH WHAT YOU START

>>17180269
>I mean I would obviously be sad if something happened to family or friends, but I wouldn't allow that to stop me from doing my essential duties in life
imagine being this pampered. Everyone has a breaking point, stupid. Similar to ptsd.
>prsd from war is just an excuse!
Thats how fucking ignorant you sound.

> People who are mentally weak and lazy use tragedy as an excuse.
again. Youve been pampered so speak out of your ass. Tb.h, Im jealous of how pampered youve been. I wish life could have feed me by its tits too so I could be ignorant but blissful like you.
> I haven't done engineering
nuff said :) Lol
> It just doesn't make sense why you would pay 60k for 3 years of college just to drop out when your 75% done.
You havent done engineering :). You wouldnt know how hard it is, thats why, stupid

>>17180281
>It is based on the units completed.
Youre retarded as SHIT. You can have 2000 fucking units completed. An employer wont care. They value the piece of paper, NOT the units completed.
Talk about disingenuous as FUCK. Idiot.

> Your friend only needs about 120 credits or 150 for a CPA. I
Accounting was a random ass example. They just did electrical engineering

Again, retard. Youre ignoring my point and are basically changing the subject. My point still stands. Stay focused, moron.

>whaa finish what you started
shit the fuck up. THIS proves you are illiterate and missed the fucking point I made

>>17180144
Why did he drop out?

>>17180144
Go back to school and finish your fucking degree, faggot. Nobody cares about "muh depression". Stop whining and sniveling like a bitch.

>>17180261
I have a degree, a job, a plan for the future and an ever expanding stock and retirement portfolio. Your friend has what? Either play the game or shut the fuck up. You're advocating for people to do college in the most inefficient and costly way possible, then flinging insults a child when people rightfully tell you that your friend is a fucking retard.


If your friend weren't a stupid bitch he could have gotten a bachelor's degree with a double major then completed a Master's degree in all those fields of study and gotten a high paying job. Instead he chose to be an indecisive retard, and waste 80 grand for no reward.

>>17180308
Idk. I think it was just too difficult for them to finish. Idk if they flunked out or just got overwhelmed.
In shitmerica, youre better off just doing the easiest degree ever than trying to shoot too high since shitmerica doesnt reward you based on effort or else they would obviously be in a better spot

The retards above actually think 4 yrs of sociology is harder than 3 years of electrical engineering. LOOOOOOOOOOOL I cant believe how retarded some people can be.
Well anyways, its a fucked situation

>>17180287
we were talking about depression not ptsd? I never said ptsd isn't real

>>17180331
You probably dont have a highschool degree. I can tell because you cant read

>>17180335
>degree
in what :). Fluff? Lol
> Your friend has what?
Nothing because this country doesnt reward you based on effort or obviously you would be homeless while she would be richer than you

>>17180144
>Guys I spent more effort digging a stupid fucking hole in my backyard for three years, please give me money!!

>>17180339
Point still stands. Everyone has a breaking point. Even you (though you are too pampered to realize that).

>>17180363
Not even a little clever or relatable.
More like one person invested 100 to get 0. Another invested 10 to get 100. :)

>>17180306
>You can have 2000 fucking units completed. An employer wont care. They value the piece of paper, NOT the units completed.

FUCKING DUH. If you weren't an underage b& who thinks he knows everything about the world, you'd know you can certificates and licenses from individual professionals classes. I work with a buddy who has at least ten different professional trade certificates from community college classes, but no degree.


If your buddy isn't a retard he would find out about using his EE knowledge from his classes to get some kinda license. Instead he wants to be a faggot much like yourself

>>17180220
He's not saying that one is harder than the other. Going 3 years into engineering and dropping out doesn't mean he's smart. He could have gotten C's for all his GEs the first 2 years and could bearly pass his major classes afterwards. Not saying that the sociology guy is any different btw. Just telling you that getting 3 years in doesn't mean shit.

>>17180352
>in what :). Fluff? Lol

I have a degree in showing employers that I'm not a fucking retard with no ability to plan long term.

>>17180375
>duh
yet you literally said otherwise. Retard. Ill be back in an hour to ram your ass

>>17180394
>only two outcomes can be true. There is no middle ground

I hope your friend never gets a job just for associating with a retarded faggot like you

>>17180401
Don't shit on his friend B. OP is just a retard but don't wish that guy anything bad. I hope he gets a job but OP is definitely a simpleton. I'm in my 4th year of mech engineering and yeah it's pretty hard. It doesn't mean I'll be employable if I drop out right now. The people with a sociology degree also don't have businesses lining up at their door. In the end it's all shit. Your skills and connections matter the most. Being in engineering for 3 years doesn't mean you'll be good at those.

>>17180368
Your friend is the pampered one retard, he got to go to school for three years (probably payed for in full or partially by his parents) and has now been unemployed for years sitting in his parents house living rent free.
meanwhile I'm in my final semester of undergrad paid for by working 32 hrs/week for the past 3 1/2 years and I've gotten accepted into a top 50 business school for graduate.
stay mad and autistic, the only reason u made this thread so people would agree with you and people are putting up with ur bs ur seething I love it

just start your own business and quit bitching. the founder of chainlink quite LITERALLY graduated with a philosophy degree.

>>17180423
>The people with a sociology degree also don't have businesses lining up at their door.

It have a degree in sociology and a degree in history. I'll also be a licensed teacher before the end of spring. Within my company I'm applying for management and lead positions in different cities, and have already gotten a few interviews.

24 y/o graduated last year. Most people get a degree and end up doing work that is not related to it at all. The degree says that you're able to learn and finish a project. STEM is cool, but people act like it's the end all be all when college extracurriculars and internships are what ultimately make the difference.

>>17180467
Yeah and you most likely had to go out of your way to go down the internship>proper job after graduation>promotion up the company's ladder. An engineer, accountant, business major, software developer all have to do the same thing. Of course the salaries are different by major but in the end everyone had to work for them

>>17180372
Your mom is not even clever or relatable.

You sound like a grade A lunatic, OP. I wouldn't hire you either.

Companies don't want deranged geniuses they want reliable and trainable people.

>>17180144
The last year is the hardest. I'm not suggesting that a 4 year sociology degree is equivalent to a 3 year engineering degree, only that the level increases, so a person that did 3 years each for each degree, did not do the capstone piece of the degree. Also, nobody like that exists, the closest person is like a genius that has read broadly. Supposedly if someone is making the effort to study so many different subjects they are doing it for a purpose which is probably not monetary.

>>17180496
>you most likely had to go out of your way to go down the internship>proper job after graduation>promotion up the company's ladder.

Nope. Never did any interships, though I wish I had. I do QA in a warehouse, and in logistics most of your peers are high school/college dropouts and drug addicts at varying stages of addiction. In places like that strong work ethic and a degree can make you stand out.

>>17180190
yeah but they didn't succeed.. they dropped out showing to employers unreliability and poor work ethic

>>17180559
Really? I'm in my 4th year and got an extra year left. The hardest classes were in my early years. I was also a 17 year old retard my freshman year so that could have made it a little harder for me but I just remember really struggling with Calc 2

>>17180287
>muh pampered
fuck off pajeet

>>17180569
Maybe OP's friend could find that type of work

Why the fuck would I want to hire quitters? Fuck off.

>>17180610
He easily could, but OP's a stupid faggot who would rather cry about the rules than learn how to skirt by them.

>>17180588
Hardest is not the right word, maybe most significant. For example, employers will look if you are improving over a 4-year period. Most degrees, you get your general classes out of the way the first years, leaving the classes that are intended for the degree. For our hypothetical EE student, it is like he only did half the classes that are specific to his degree by dropping out the 3rd year.

for those dissing OP. You will not make it. just keep coping niggers.

OP you are right but people don't want to hear the truth.

If you can hold your own on 4chan you are smarter than 90% of people you will ever meet in real life

If I was an employer why the fuck would I give a shit about someone who just finishes 3/4 of a bunch of tasks nobody asked him to do instead of a person that can completely finish a task he was asked to do? You aren't smart or 'above it all' for wasting time jumping around and not even finishing a bunch of degrees. You sound like kind of a moron to be honest. As soon as you stop thinking that you're exceptional and above the crowd you'll actually make progress in this world.

>>17180375
Back, retard bitch.
Long story short:
1. you said "units DO matter". I destroyed you anus and then you said "they dont matter. DUH". Lmao, dumbass.
2. My original point still stands. College is a scam. It is stupid. It is not to "get educated" and people are better off going for the easiest degrees rather than to go for actual challenging ones unless they are a unicorn.

>>17180380
>He could have gotten C's for all his GEs the first 2 years and could bearly pass his major classes afterwards.
Lmfao. Go take some engineering classes. You wouldnt pass a single one besides MAYBE the into ones. Again, dunning kruger effect

>>17180144
If you have multiple incomplete degrees, you are only telling employers that you cant commit to anything lol

>>17180738
Hilarious that you bring up the dunning-kreuger effect while simultaneously thinking your some master of debate. You argue like a 4th grader.

>>17180144
the entire point of college is the piece of paper. it's your "I'm not a retard and I can see complex, boring tasks through to the end" certificate. You rarely learn even what you need for an entry level position in the career you studied for but you will once you're on the job. People who don't get this have been hit by the original pleb filter. rising costs filter even more. this is the true purpose of college. Either don't go or wait until you're sure you want to. you'll probably need a masters, too. may god have mercy on your soul.

>>17180391
Aka fluff :)
Again, if this country rewarded people on effort, you would be making minimum wage. Instead its not about effort. Its about jumping hoops.

>>17180401
cry me a river, bitch :)

>>17180423
>The people with a sociology degree also don't have businesses lining up at their door.
I literally know people with fluff degrees better off than her making over 20 an hr.
Its funny. My sister got a stem degree. Her friend got a psychology degree.
Her friend is ahead in life.
My sister was working minimum wage 2 yrs after graduating. Literal minimum wage. Her friend got her in.
You mother fucking retard.
You have one thing right. Connections are important. They are arguably superior than skills

>>17180144
Yeah I know which is why I never spent a dime of my father's money put away for me on American universities. After reading articles and pondering for sometime I just decided not to even engage university in this country either, and if I wanted to go to college anyway I wouldn't pick an American university. American education is the worst out there.

Just get a wagie job, less hassle and less of a scam if you can get one, to anyone who is American like me or OP. Better yet start your own business or NEET but for the love of God do not ever go into an American university.

I tell my dad that I want to do this occasionally (because he wants to hear that, after all he became a physician through it) but in reality I really can't and don't want to.

>>17180429
Youre going to be underemployed when you grow up :). 56% underemployment rate for a business degree

you seem good at cock sucking though so maybe youll be okay. Get those knee pads ready, faggot

>>17180581
youre missing the point. Not repeating it.
Ah fuck it. One more time.

3yrs of ee > 4 yrs of fluff

>>17180599
Pajeet...? Huh? Did your brain short circuit? Do you even know how the meme works?

>>17180624
3yrs of ee > 4yrs of sociology any roastie could do, dumbass

>>17180710
Normies infested this board. People just hate red pills.

>>17180725
1. You say "you" when this is a real story about a friend. Youre illiterate.
2. Again dipshit. 3yrs of EE is > than 4 yrs of some easy fluff bullshit.

>>17180764
I'm not an autist like your friend so employment will be easy for me. stay seething faggot

>>17180144
>This is why i'm anti-american.
Love how you Mutts don't understand the actual issue while digging yourself & your fellow countrymen in deeper.
Your problem 'cheap money', Uni/life in america is getting more 'expensive' b/c of this reason solely. the cc /threads are all mutt /threads. Enjoy your consumer feed subjugation.
Such a self destructive nation

>>17180748
Kek. How so :)?
>duur idk
Dumb bitch. Really, the only "weakness" in my arguments is that I cuss a lot. Other than that, I am 100% right.

>>17180789
Again. You seem good at cock sucking so maybe. Just maybe though as others might be able to suck cock even better. I recommend more so.i milk to keep ip with the competition.

>>17180261
bitter ass faggot you stand no chance with this attitude

Itt: op being a faggot
gets called out for being a faggot
gets mad

lol you're a faggot

OP you are legit psycho.

Good news is you can get on disability cause you are unhirable nutjob and can become a ward of the state.

Bad news is you are psycho.

>>17180819
Im employed. Obviously I dont act like this withe employers, you dumb cunt. Though I always think it 24/7.

OP has now spent has entire night replying to a thread no wonder he dropped out mentally ill faggot

>>17180818
>>17180819
yes you will make it. paitence is key
report back to us in 5 years deep in debt

>>17180777
The fact that you call every degree which isn't STEM "fluff" just shows how immature and retarded you are. Go look at politicians, military officers, and other high up goverment officials. I guarantee you'll find a lot of these so called "fluff" degrees. You can't think abstractly at all which is why you think STEM majors are the only people who deserve jobs?


What does math and electrical engineering teach you about leadership, political thought, or even human nature? The humanities focus on people problems andwhat molds our societies and minds, rather than only the hard truths of our physical reality. Instead of pitting hard science against soft science, you should be learning to mesh the two for a broader and more holistic viewpoint.


However you're a massive faggot lacking the ability to think critically and synthesize ideas and information. Learn STEM AND HUMANITIES not STEM VS HUMANITIES

>>17180812
>>17180818
You cant debate.

>>17180830
>i dont act like a little bitch ass faggot 24/7
>but i do think like one 24/7 lol :-)

>>17180841
Oh jesus christ. Long story short, you have a fluff degree and now think you are a genius. Youre a moron.

>>17180842
im not trying to
what's there to debate
clear cut case of op being a faggot

>>17180843
>he doesnt like to chug employer semen like me?
>he must be a little bitch!
Lol

>>17180854
Either a troll post or you are actually a 0 IQ dumbass. Regardless im hiding your stupidity. Thats saying something considering I havent hidden any other moron anon's post.

>>17180852
I never once said or implied I was a genius. Everything I said in that post should be easily digestible and agreeable for someone with a college education. If that was too difficult for (You) then maybe you're the retard.

>>17180841
tbf most arts degrees are total memes. They'd be worth it and used to be out of curiosity if college wasn't paired with life-shackling debt.

>>17180880
No, dumbass. Youre basically saying im closed minded. Im saying thats cope.

>>17180883
Every degree is a meme if you're a fucking spastic. My best friend majored in chemistry and marine biology. His first "real job" out of college was as a lab technician making $17/hr. He went back to school for an M.S. and is currently making $1400/mo as a research assistant. His future earnings potential remains to be seen.

I make $3600/mo in a fucking warehouse and can easily be making double that in the next few months should my current plan work out. It's all relative. There are no "meme degrees", if you're good at what you do and learn how to work the system, shit will work out.

>>17180352
>while she would be richer than you
>she
LOL your friend is a woman??
we all knew women weren't cut out for engineering anyway

>>17180917
>I make $3600/mo in a fucking warehouse
what a gay fucking life. I bet you jerk off like a monkey on breaks

>>17180738
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm finishing my 4th year of my mechanical engineering degree meaning I got further than he did

>>17180917
I get what you're saying but could you apply that to say gender studies? would those people ever earn enough to justify taking that degree? the top 5% of grads might get a non tenure track position teaching the same drivel somewhere else if they're lucky. some programs are just money makers for the colleges that offer them, pure and simple.

>>17180372
>>17180363
>no reward for digging a hole in my backyard for 3 years which took a lot of fucking effort
>this country doesn't reward effort
whereas
>Invested capital into "stock"
>stock plummets/stock rises
how is your analogy even related to the point of effort and reward?

>>17180979
1. I wasnt given that info in your post I responded to
2. Either way, you are ignoring my main point. Cant you stay focused?
This isnt about YOU. This is about the shit system

>>17180991
I dont even get what the fuck you are trying to say.
I'll make it even more simple.
Person one invests a shit ton of effort and got nothing. Person 2 invested nearly nothing and got a good job for it.

Is this rocket science to you?

>>17180505
probably true unironically

>>17180977
Do you think people just walk into jobs fresh out of college and become the CEO? Many jobs only promote from within for entry level management so the only way to get in the game is start on the bottom rung.

I never said my pay was impressive. My point was that it's more than my best friend who is a STEM major. People skills can earn you just as much as your job skills.

>>17181004
Yeah and it's about what your friend did those 3 years. Some guys go to school without even finishing calculus so they spend their first 2 years doing that shit. After that you start getting in your major classes. Being in engineering for 3 years means nothing. I'm not saying your friend is dumb. I'm saying that just being there for 3 years doesn't mean she's a genius.

>>17181021
She did 3/4ths of the ACTUAL degree. Not remedial classes

>>17180253
I wouldn't hire somebody who claims they're depressed, and can't even manage to graduate college in 2020. In fact I wish they were put into a red flag database.

>>17181017
>muh skills
cope. it's just a buzzword for wageslave lmao
you don't have any skills, i've bullshitted all my life, no such thing as skills. you do some gay fucking work to pay the bills retard. jesus fucking chirst muh skills in warehouse

it's just a job retard

Hey dipshit, nothing is about effort, everything is about results.

You are owed exactly NOTHING by the world or anybody else. The only way you convince them to give you stuff is by providing proof of your value.

>>17180917
It's tough for Chemistry or bio majors. Most people who do them end up going to med school which your friend is probably planning on considering she's working in a lab. If you're not planning on med school it's better to just get an easy degree and save your soul because you'll most likely end up as a wagie doing something that had nothing to do with your major

being honest, what's the average salary of people in this thread? shit like 4k per month seems like poorfag tier

>>17181038
>You are owed exactly NOTHING by the world or anybody else.
You dont fucking say. Missing the point completely, retard
>proof of value
3yrs of EE > 4yrs of fluff

cant read?

>>17181032
She was there for 3 years. The first two years for me were calculus,physics and very basic major classes. If she went to an American school I'm gonna guess she had a similar experience because no University that I know of starts students by taking deep major classes from day 1

>>17181034
Are you even an employer? Lmfao. What do you even do?

> can't even manage to graduate college in 2020.
The fucking shit does that even mean? Youre telling me you can graduate with an EE degree just because its 2020?
LOOOOOOOOOL
Your dumbass cant even put their money where their mouth is

>>17180710
I agree with OP college is useless he just sounds like a faggot

>>17181065
Look. She did 3/4ths of the degree. That's that. She was in her final year.

>>17180986
>I get what you're saying but could you apply that to say gender studies? would those people ever earn enough to justify taking that degree?


It depends entirely on their attitude and approach in life. If you get a degree then sends your resume en masse to a bunch of places ,never hear back then complain about the job market, your degree will be worthless no matter what you studied.

A degree isn't the end of your education or professional development. Get any job you can, and learn every skill and task you can. BUILD A RESUME. Get licenses and take classes for certification. There's all kinds of random certificates out there you can get for basic shit like computer courses, workplace safety, and conflict resolution. Hell, if you can complete a major in gender studies and that alone tells the military you have one of the basic qualifications to be an officer and have responsibility over the lives of other people. You have to MAKE YOUR DEGREE WORTH IT.

A woman can get a do-nothing office job if she really wanted. They're easy af to find.

>>17181090
How hard did you fuck the manager femanon?

>>17181034
90% of the stem and non stem students I know are all depressed or have anxiety. Good luck in the hiring process because that's literally all people have these days.
>>17181078
That says nothing about how good or bad of an engineer she is. Just means she went through the first 3 years.

>>17181108
I'm a man you thirsty fucking idiot.

>>17180777
>3yrs of ee > 4 yrs of fluff
why the fuck would an employer hire someone who dropped out of university if the electrical engineering skills are useless for that role anyway? Why doesn't your friend just get a minimum wage job, like she was supposed to?

>>17181111
>That says nothing about how good or bad of an engineer she is.
you could literally say that about any grad. Secondly, missing the point yet again. Most people work in fields that have nothing to do with their degree anyways. Thing is she has no options for decent jobs while the person that did an easy as shit degree does

>>17181118
>men aren't thirsty
how many beta providers you got?
i don't think 3200 is enough
found a rich husband yet?

>>17181125
>if the electrical engineering skills are useless for that role anyway?
Same could be said about fluff degrees. You basically destroyed yourself here.

> Why doesn't your friend just get a minimum wage job, like she was supposed to?
missing the point, dumbass

>>17180144
Dropouts have no drive and cant commit to something as simple as listening to a prof and doing their work so of course they are less valuable than someone who completed even a meme tier major

The only times this isn’t the case is when someone has a higher ambition for something greater created by themselves, but these sorts of people are rare and your friends is likely not one.

No one cares how much “smarter” you are than the system if you do nothing to prove it, especially not any company.

>>17181090
you could do all of that without sharting 50- 80k away on a useless degree. you could do it with no degree. the subset of people you're describing is a tiny percentage of the population, those that'll come out on top no matter what and are driven to find a solution. Most people just want to be corraled into a job that pays the bills and to have a bit of job security. When boomers went to college any degree could reasonably guarantee this. now there is a huge proportion of utterly worthless degrees that a predatory higher education system pressures high school grads into taking in the name of profit. universities were not always run like megacorps and still aren't in some countries. instead of training the elite of the next generation they are now just another vampire on society. it is still ultimately college students' fault for falling for it but you have to acknowledge they're up against it.

>>17180190
More effort but wasted effort
Not a good nor an efficient employee
Likely a liability

>>17181130
Why would you major in electrical engineering if you don't plan to work in ee?

>>17181149
>Dropouts have no drive and cant commit to something as simple as listening to a prof and doing their work so of course they are less valuable than someone who completed even a meme tier major
False.
3yr ee dropout > 4 yrs of fluff. Keep coping, idiot.
You actually think you have more work ethic than someone who did 3/4ths of an EE degree?
Dunning mother fucking kruger effect.

>>17181160
A degree doesn't have to cost $50,000-80,000.

My degree cost me $38,000 and could have been a lot cheaper had I not been a retard and applied for literally any scholarships or grants.

>>17181161
Read >>17181176


>>17181163
Obviously they originally did. Youre missing the fucking point. The fucking POINT is someone with a fluff ass degree has better job prospects than someone who studied something hardcore and failed to finish it a yr away.

>>17181176
your friend could have done 99/100ths of her EE degree she still dropped out so it means nothing. how do you not get this?

Alright guys, OP is just a troll. Let's just pack it in.

>>17181188
No they don't. Where did you get this idea that sociology majors have lots of job offers from?

>>17181183
>My degree cost me $38,000
LOL
PEOPLE ACTUALLY ARE DEEP IN DEBT???

>>17181211
Literally go to fucking job ads. Many jobs just ask for any generic bachelors degree. Go to fucking indeed.com for instance. Esl teacher? Generic bachelors. Administrative work? Generic bachelors (for instance. My sister has a stem degree. She got hooked up to an administrative job. The employer asked for a random ass bachelors degree even though it was obviously unecessary), etc.
You live in a bubble?

>>17181190
>so it means nothing
Youre retarded. How fo you not get this?
You actually value 4 yrs of say gender studies vs 99% of an EE degree?

Are you mother fucking god damn kidding me right now?!

>>17180796
>How so :)?
the dunning kruger effect has nothing to with anything you're saying and yet you said it twice??
>calling degrees that aren't STEM "fluff"
>complaing about effort not being rewarded
>smiley faces when you think that you have a good comeback
>sperging out at anyone that disagrees with you
these make you look very childish, debating skills of a 4th grader indeed

>>17181236
Articulate why half an engineering degree is better than a gender studies degree without resorting to "muh fluff". Coursework is only half the battle in college. Time management is the other half.

>>17180832
>>17180843
kek

>>17180868
did OP change his ID again or are you another nutcase

>>17181176
Clearly not since the purpose of undergrad is to see if you can manage to commit to something and do the work
Your “friend” clearly could not and wasted not only their time but their money as well basically farting around for years.

So what is they “know” more? No one cares what you know or how smart you think you are, just what you can prove you are capable of.
This fluff degree major proved they can commit to something and be responsible, as well as have some degree of passion for what they are doing. At least this is something a company values

>>17181232
Those are dumb fuck office jobs where the skills of an engineer aren't necessary at all. Those places are full of people with general bachelors because nobody gives a shit about them. If your friend is as smart as you say she is she could literally get to those places by starting at minimum wage and working her way up

>>17181213
You're nothing but a delusional junkie. I've seen you post in other threads. Nobody cares how much shit you snort.

>>17181188
>studied something hardcore
Lol what does this mean? They failed though, they gave up, why does it matter what they were trying to do if they didn't do it?

And if this is the case where they felt school was a waste of time and they were too smart for it or had some big plan, where is it? What have they been doing besides wasting energy?

>>17181236
I'm a STEM fag but I know that there's more to society than STEM grads. It's really not that special especially these days. the high competition for jobs in this field shows that there are only so many positions that need to be filled. EE or CS are more technically complex than sociology but we still need counselors and office roasties or else society would collapse. There are entire industries like sales where you can bullshit your way to the top with no technical competence whatsoever. We need farmers, teachers, childcare etc. none of which will ever touch STEM outside of maybe a random study or something.

>>17181236
Yea
The gender studies major showed they can commit to a task and complete it efficiently, and hopefully competently.
The other person could not.

No one cares about someone who “tried” to run a marathon but gave up before finishing.

>>17181307
>You're nothing but a delusional junkie
Must really suck to have debt. Couple more years to pay it off? Get a sugardaddy maybe? Suck a dick or two? lol

>>17181308
Retard. Hardcore = not fluff
Also, they "failed" at a point where you wouldnt have made it. They are straight up smarter than you but with that said, fluff degrees > actual skillful ones that are incomplete

It is evident you learned 0 critical thinking skills going by how I have to explain the most basic of shits

>>17181012
Do you not understand supply and demand? If there was any demand for her effort, then she would have a fucking job you lunatic
there is nothing inherently valuable to anyone except yourself about "effort"

>>17181320
OP is a retard but as a STEMnerd I do feel like STEM isn't valued enough in society. Of course being a STEMcuck I probably overstate my value but a lot of non stem people don't understand how hard it is unless they've had friends in STEM and seen the difference in the workload

>>17181303
....why am I surrounded by retards? I see her as smarter than people who did fluff degrees but not as smart as those that completed them.

Secondly, "dumb fuck office jobs". Yes, yet they pay fucking more than highs school level jobs, you DUMB mother fucker.

Are you not fucking understanding the point Ive been making this WHOLE thread??

That people with fluff degrees have it better than people who actually put in real effort. Those with fluff degrees have better job prospects than those with incomplete difficult degrees

>>17181037
>it's just a job retard
you've never had a passion for your work? username checks out

>>17181280
Moron. The fluff degree shows they take the easy way out and have no work ethic. They just did the minimum effort. The incomplete ee degree shows they were the type to at least attempt hard challenges.

Again, dumbass. You are actually telling me some easy as shit middle school level degree is superior than 99% of an ee degree just because "it is completed".

You are the definition of retardation. This is EXACTLY why college is a joke

>>17181325
Yes yes I get it. You normies value "completion" rather than work ethic. Clown world
>inb4 easy middle school degree = more work ethic than 99% of an ee degree
Lmfao

>>17181057
>3yrs of EE
You are owed exactly NOTHING by the world. That includes people who spend 3yrs in EE

>>17181339
Are you a retard? You are fucking missing the point, dipshit.

I am saying her job prospects shouldnt be worse than someone who has invested less effort, moron. Is this too hard for you to get?

>>17181334
Well I have my bachelors and a masters and a job in agriculture so I'm not concerned with dropouts whining that they got filtered from their program.

Maybe your “friend” should get a fluff degree so they could get a job.
Ive got no respect for losers like this.

Fact is this is just a load or cope and if this person was valuable they could prove it to an employer, i certainly wouldn't hire them, even the Cambodian latex harvesters I hire at least can commit to a job, and aren’t so entitled.

Maybe she should get a job with McDonalds since they will value such a hard worker.

>>17181346
Youre a retard. Literally all my points are solid. Shitstain

>>17181394
Complacent bitch. I am saying they ARE owed more than someone who did an inferior degree.

The thing is you are part of the clown world that values the "competion" meme rather than the work ethic meme

>>17181360
Bro are you serious? There's engineers out there who dropped out but used their skills to start their own business. There's people graduating and getting 6 figures. Stem majors have much higher employment rates and salaries compared to non stem majors. The difficult part is that engineering has a 50% dropout rate so if you can survive you're better off than most people making $40k a year. Your friend's tragedy doesn't change the bigger picture that most STEM majors make way more money

>>17181393
But this person has no work ethic since they couldn’t finish a simple undergrad program.

Why should people be rewarded for participating if they can’t even do the work?

>>17181412
you want a runner's up medal. there are no runner's up medals in Big Boy Town. If you fail at something in life you are known as a FAILURE, and rightly so, until you do something worthy of recognition or commit seppuku to expunge the stain on your honour.

>>17181406
You probably dont read a lot at your job since youre too retarded to comprehend my point.

Point being she should have better job prospects than someone who did a fluff degree. Fucking retard cant even understand that.
>b-but she didnt complete it!! whaaa!!!!

This is by far the most retarded way to screen people.

All in all, im right.


For you people reading this that arent or about to go to college, the lesson here is the world is filled with retards like this guy so long story short, get the easiest degree unless youre a unicorn

>>17181346
>I do feel like STEM isn't valued enough in society


What? How is not STEM not highly valued in society? For the last 20 years there has been a major push to get people into STEM fields, american news media is obsessed with studies from scientists, all sports have become incredibly data and analytics driven. Our culture is religously obessed with science.

STEM and computer skills have been the most highly desired skills on the job market for the entirety of the last decade. I don't even know how you can say that. Are STEM grads just not appreciated enough until they all recieve a complimentary blowjob in addition to a diploma?


If you want to see an underappreciated field look at historical studies. People ignore the past and constantly try to erase it. Cultural sites all over the world are destroyed either in religious wars or to create urban crawl space. Museums are underfunded and empty. People only want dramatizations of history with a clear good and evil side. The true grey morality of it all is never discussed outside academia and niche documentaries. I'm biased as history major, to say STEM is undervalued is just ridiculous. I've been told for the last 7 years my degree would be worthless yet it's opened many doors, yet the STEM market is the shrinking one because of chinks and pajeets.

>>17181413
Your examples are cherry picking. Also, stem majors have to graduate. If not, they will make highschool wages. Its not worth it. Sadly it was the propaganda she fell for. This country fucked her over as they push stem.

>>17181415
False. They have waaay more ethic than someone who did a fluff degree :)
Your dumbass doesnt get that though.

>>17181428
And thats whats wrong with shitmerica. It basically discourages people to challenge themselves and instead seek the easiest meme degrees.

>>17181447
>How is not STEM not highly valued in society?
omega retard spotted.
My second response in this post btfos you: >>17181457
>inb4 whaaa no it doesnt!
Yes it does, faggot. What I said is a fact. No "runner up" rewards = discourages stem as it becomes a high risk gamble that really isnt worth it except for unicorns

>>17181430
I understand your viewpoint but its just a load of nonsense, why should this person be valued? They couldnt even complete their program, and worse they have apparently been aimlessly faffing about since then.
This is not a valuable person for any company, at least she should go to work or try to startup a business of she wants to prove her value.
Just saying you know things and are intelligent doesn't matter if you have no proof.
And 3 years of an undergrad is nothing, literally tons of retards get filtered out because thats the entire purpose of undergrad programs.

If another degree program is easier, why not breeze through it and get some sort of job?

Just typical druggie burnout excuses

>>17181430
You are a fucking moron and you are wrong about everything. You are the worst type of moron, because you believe even in the face of overwhelming unilateral criticism and evidence that you are still correct.

The truly funny part is that it doesn't matter if you are correct or not or if it's fair or not. The world is a certain way and raging about it won't change it overnight. Unless you can break the mold then you have to play by the established rules of the game.

Somebody like you who thinks he is owed something by other people for his effort will have a very hard time making it.

>>17181415
let me put it this way, dipshit. One stem class is harder than all the bullshit fluff classes in a university.
In truth, someone who passes say organic chemistry should have better job prospects than someone who did a phd in sociology.

By your logic though, you think middle school level shit should be worth more just because "it takes longer" fucking KEK!

>>17181457
Way more because of failing and giving up? Why not just finish the program?

>>17181469
>No "runner up" rewards = discourages stem as it becomes a high risk gamble that really isnt worth it except for unicorns


Well if you ain't gonna shit get off the pot. I didn't major in STEM because I knew I had no interest in it and that my passion lay in history. If you go to college chasing big money without the drive to finish it then you just get filtered out. Not everyone wants or needs to be an engineer.

>>17181449
Stop pretending we aren't talking about you, schizophrenic asshole.

Go take your meds, holy fuck

>>17181145
>You basically destroyed yourself here.
no you fucking spastic maybe the degrees you consider "fluff" were actually (((required))) to get the job....... have you even considered this??

>>17181484
No, retard. I am 100% right.

1. It is a retarded method of screening people out.
2. People are better off going for easy as shit meme degrees than trying to challenge themselves with stem due to how 99% of a stem degree is worthless in shitmerica
3. Completing some shit degree doesnt mean the person would be a better candidate than someone that did 3/4ths of an ee degree

You gave 0 counter arguments because your brain is made out of literal garbage. Dumbass sheep

>>17181176
>3yr ee dropout > 4 yrs of fluff. Keep coping, idiot.
HAHAHAHA I can't fucking believe this dude
this is obviously wrong - based on the story about your friend
if
>3yr ee dropout > 4 yrs of fluff
was true, then your friend would have a job. simple as that

>>17181488
I’ve never found undergrad STEM to be difficult, its just there for the worker apes to be put through the grinder and see who can do the work and who can’t.
Only in postgrad do you get any challenge.

Ive done my postgrad in a STEM course and knew loads of people who did a year or two then think the world owes them something when they drop out.

>>17181515
how are you replying so fast? are you dictating it or something?

>oh hey here is your house
>yeah you paid for an entire house but I decided 3/4ths finished was good enough since it was pretty hard
>what do you mean you are suing me??!!! WTF I built almost all of it!!

>>17181195
been considering this one for a while now

its crazy how deep in debt these motherfuckers are and at the same time they defend the system while hoping their shitcoins will make them rich

delusional sheep

>>17181494
Read this for the ultimate btfo: >>17181488

>>17181498
Dumb logic but okay. My point still stands. People are better off going for dumbass meme degrees rather than trying to challenge themselves since shitmerica doesnt reward people based on effort. Just on hoop jumping (and complacent bitches like yourself love it).

>>17181500
It isnt me, dumb faggot. Mother fucking idiot making baseless assumptions like a dipshit.

>>17181508
Oh yes. You 100% NEED sociology to be an administrator since it develops your "soft skills" aka talking to people fucking KEK!
Retard.

>>17181236
depends on the job you spaz

>>17181530
...huh?
I explained it works that way because this society values hoop jumping over work ethic, dumbass.
Holy shit, you are actually this susceptible to circular reasoning i.e. "employers prefer 4 yrs of fluff therefore they have more work ethic than the person that was a yr away from an ee degree".
Lol... the retards on this board, I swear

>>17181553
>shitcoins

I have almost 10k in stocks from only a half year of fulltime work. I also saved another 3 grand in cash equivalents and PMs. Keep snorting DMT though, I'm sure those magical elves will pay your bills.

>>17181553
I went to school for free
Actually I got paid to go
>>17181555
It was clearly too hard for her which is why she failed and no one wants to hire her. As for difficulty I don't see STEM in general as being especially difficult in undergrad
Just show up to class, and do the work.
If you can’t even manage that how can you manage a real job, with other people’s money on the line?

Its so easy to go back to school anyway, why not just do it instead of complaining about how unfair the system is?

>>17181307
based

>>17181553
Ya idk man. Stockholm syndrome is strong in shitmerica. It surprises me but in the same time, mammals are basically sheep. They follow the herd off a cliff and dont question the system. They are beta bitches that love getting anal sex from the back.

I cant argue with cult members. Well anyways, ive been arguing for hours destroying these retards and at the end of the day, they love hoop jumping so much theyll defend their overlords with cum in their mouths. Im out. Theres nothing new for me to add.

>>17181515
You have bigger things to worry about than not being able to find a job with your unfinished degree. Like what to do with the puddle of radioactive mush inside your skull after you are done having your psychotic break.

You're dumb and belligerent but you also don't understand that the things you are saying are actually crazy. You're completely unaware that you are outside of the bounds of reason. When you hit rock bottom its going to be really, really hard landing. The problem with crazies like you is that even when you hit your low point you keep drilling because you don't understand how fucked you are.

You will never be valued for demonstrating you do not like finishing tasks. That is all an uncompleted degree means to somebody. It doesn't matter how hard the coursework was. It will never matter.

>>17181404
>I am saying her job prospects shouldnt be worse than someone who has invested less effort
but why?

>>17181553
Also, extremely based post. Good summary.

>itt virgin college dropouts vs Chad Degree Holder

Pic related op, it's you.

>>17181605
Read the first line. Your illiterate so discarded

>crazy asshole schizoposts for 3 hours while huffing duster canisters
>gets told why he is wrong and how things actually work by at least 20 unique posters
>declares victory after repeating himself and responding to nothing effectively and then departs to go destroy more brain cells

Somewhat based, ngl

>>17181624
Welcome back retard. We know you are taking about yourself which is why you are so assblasted.

I thought you were done shitposting?

>>17181615
don't worry, they will get burnt out soon and realize how life they wasted but even they, they won't accept the fact

>>17181653
how much*

>>17180144
This has to be bait. You cannot actually be this big of a fucking pussy. Kill yourself.

>>17181469
>except for unicorns
work hard to be a unicorn then you faggot stop taking (or in this case, wishing you took) the easy way out and doing muh fluff degrees

>>17181678
your post is realistic. people have killed themselves because of this board and their advice about muh shitcoins.

if any retard takes this board seriously, lord have mercy on you.

>>17180144
I dropped out of CS because I got a job offer and that was 2 years ago.
Started on 45k dollarydoos and now making 100k.
Get hit up by FAANG recruiters for US based jobs and also get hit up for 200k jobs here.

Just keep grinding

the retards with the degrees are sad pieces of shit coping and shitposting. Can't believe "hardworking" people like these retards shitpost on 4chan in their free time. you are going nowhere

fucking sheep lmao

>>17180144
Lol, as an employee you don't need to be educated, you need to prove you can tick the boxes and do what you're told to be valuable for the capitalist machine

>>17181539
based

>>17181555
>making baseless assumptions
>your friend your friend your friend your friend
it's just so ridiculous you'd argue on 4chan about shit """your friend""" is going through, and to this extent at that

Holy hell my sides, this is way better than the average YLYL thread

>>17181555
>Oh yes. You 100% NEED sociology to be an administrator since it develops your "soft skills" aka talking to people fucking KEK!
holy shit I think you unironically need to take that course to develop your soft skills

Why this focus on an imaginary sociology major?
If you’re an engineering major you’re going to compete with other STEM majors, not liberal arts

If I’m an employer and I meet two people in the same major, one with a degree and one who dropped out, who should I pick?

The world isn’t made of robots, people are willing to give others a chance if they can show they deserve it.
If you’re a dropout you’ve got to find some other way to show your value, explain why you dropped out and provide evidence of your ability, like previous work experience, some project you’ve worked on independently, or a portfolio of some kind.

Most dropouts dont do this because they are burnouts and drug addicts, or else mentally unfit to function in the modern world.
This is true everywhere, even outside of America.

>>17181727
Why you commies have to inject capitalism into every argument?

>>17181857
A communist state wouldn’t allow such wasteful idleness and stick someone like this in a factory.

You realize in China there is even more pressure and if you fail your end of education exam you are basically fucked for life, even worse if you drop out of school.

Fucking western schools are so lenient, you can waste everyones time and still get loads of chances, there is no excuse not to just do it unless you have legitimately bigger plans (you likely don’t)

>>17181842
>If I’m an employer
why would you be one? HR needs to die and engineers need to hire other engineers and train them and respect them. HR is fucking useless

>>17181892
Why would an engineer hire someone who couldn't even finish a basic 4 year bachelor program?
Why not hire someone else?

If I want someone untrustworthy, unproven, who might do a shit job, why not hire Pajeet who will work for 10x less?

>>17181905
im talking about HR and employers, you are talking about something im not talking about. Get on your meds

>>17181942
No we’re talking about who’s qualified
I don't care about corporate structure and that is irrelevant.
No one wants a potential black hole in their company regardless of who is in charge or how decisions regarding personnel are made.
And why should they? There’s no plot to keep people like this out of the workforce, its just no one cares that someone said you had potential when you were in high school if you failed to live up to said potential.

>>17181857
Not every argument, specifically this one, because it's about how you get jerbs. But you already knew that.

Also cos it is how society is structured so it's relevant to most arguments anyway.

>>17180380
I have a bachelors and masters in Mechanical and then Electrical specializing on semiconductor optics and laser design.

Any autist can chegg the hw and cheat on the finals. 1/3 of people in the US who start an engineering degree switch out before graduation, and I'm pretty sure it's just because of the bullshit hw load when they could have just copied it and partied like me.

As on all hw, Cs on all tests = B with some finagling