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Give me one thing tesla does that other tradition legacy car makers cannot?

>>17159269
sick gains bruh

2% of new car sales are electric. Maybe it'll be 10% in 5-10 years, but still not enough to bankrupt oil and car companies.

>>17159208

>Corona stops delivery to China.
>Goes down from 900 to 700
>Balances out in the end at 730'ish
>China makes decision of still taking delivery starting monday

Already got 10 shares in Tesla. This coming week will decide the outcome of either keeping or selling these fuckers. Unreleated to the stock market, I fucking love this guy's companies.

They've been around too long they ain't going nowhere any time soon

>>17159208
What about diesel semis, train locks,farm equipment, bulldozers and construction machinery of all sorts. Planes and their cerosin

Your fag cult leader will revolutionize all of them too right

>>17159269
Innovate
Mass produce batteries

>>17159281
>Maybe it'll be 10% in 5-10 years, but still not enough to bankrupt oil and car companies.
Imagine not knowing how disruptive technologies work.

>>17159287
imagine being this misinformed

>>17159303
All going to be electric and autonomous in the next few years as batteries get cheaper.

>>17159482
>he thinks this is disruptive tech

>>17159621
remain ignorant then
you have no idea what's going on

>>17159208
>Putting a 6k battery pack behind 1 billion car
seems a bit unrealistic, lithium and cobalt supply is limited
also, in many countries energy is too expensive to be used for automotive
and a entry level electric car is way too overpriced for the regular 10$/€/£ wagie
Hydrogen is probably the best compromise, but new euro6 petrol car are just fine for pollution

>>17159793
>seems a bit unrealistic, lithium and cobalt supply is limited
they're not going to use cobalt eventually
also there is plenty of lithium

>also, in many countries energy is too expensive to be used for automotive
There's an energy revolution in solar/batteries right now with the price coming down exponentially every year

>and a entry level electric car is way too overpriced for the regular 10$/€/£ wagie
no shit, that's why as it gets mass produced the price will continuously come down and eventually be much cheaper than ICE cars

Markets can stay irrational longer than I can stay solvent.

I so wish petrol vehicles fucked off already. They're essentially turning cities into fucking gas chambers. Also having to pass along these fuckers on my bicycle, who sit alone in their huge SUV's, really triggers my jimmies.

Come on elites, just agree to reveal new generation energy sources already.

Just imagine if electricity was free.

>the only use for oil is powering cars

>I so wish petrol vehicles fucked off already. They're essentially turning cities into fucking gas chambers. Also having to pass along these fuckers on my bicycle, who sit alone in their huge SUV's, really triggers my jimmies.
>Come on elites, just agree to reveal new generation energy sources already.
>Just imagine if electricity was free.

>Oil companies
Oil can be used to make electricity you half brain nimrod

>>17159482
That's if people decide to switch. There needs to be mass production of not only cars and batteries, but also charging stations. You got to look at the available amount of nickel, aluminum, and cobalt and if everyone switched from their gas powered vehicle to a Tesla overnight (won't happen), would there be enough metals to create enough batteries. The cost of installing a Powerwall or a car battery charging station at home and switching from everything fossil fuel to electric will not be cheap.
>>17159793
>a entry level electric car is way too overpriced for the regular 10$/€/£ wagie
This is why it won't happen fast. Maybe in 50 years.

Biofuels are a more intriguing field for further research.

https://youtu.be/xM4aEnp04ZI

Regenerative and sustainable technology is the future.

>>17159208
Then he'll get assassinated by OPEC.

>>17159208
Cant short/long 10 years out. 2 years isnt enough time.

>>17160051
Thanks for your contribution, faggot.

>>17160011
>Just imagine if electricity was free.
it will be in 15 years

>>17159208
good, unless they use all their oil trillions and keep humanity back by sabotaging him

>>17160066
and we are switching to solar and batteries

>>17160102
>That's if people decide to switch
they will because it will be cheaper

If they can get charge times down to 3-5mins, I might consider getting an electric car.

>>17160157
I get that if you invest now in electric, it will pay off down the line. It's still not cheap for the materials up front. You're talking $5,000 for a tiny house up to $200,000 for a mansion sized house.

For people to switch to electric cars, the stage has to be set first. That means gas stations closing down and replaced with charging stations. There's a good number of Tesla Superchargers now and they are growing so that's cool.

Things change. We went from walking on foot to animals to horse and carriage to trains, airplanes, and cars. Letters and newspapers to radio to TV and the internet. It really is just a matter of time before fossil fuels are faded out, but they will still have use.

The innovation can only get better with the right minds continuing to improve the tech. Batteries being more efficient, lasting longer, requiring less charging time etc.

Just went to tesla.com, the model 3 is $55k. How is that affordable? I think you can get a new gas car for $15k. So until the model 3 is 4 times cheaper I don't think they'll be out of business.

>>17160360
>How is that affordable?
it's going to be more affordable as they mass produce them you absolute brainlet

>>17159208
Based. I hate boomers car industry and all the cultism around old school cars for some reasons

>>17160206
Nanofusion technology might do this by compacting miniature nuclear fusion reactors into small devices that supply and regenerate energy.

>>17160383

Are they not already mass produced?

>>17159208
Give me one country that TESLA leads in car sales.

I like TESLA but its still a TULIP, and you milennials are really dumb

>>17160415
>One year before iPhone
>"Give me one country where smartphone leads in telephone market competing against Nokia phones"

>>17160394
Problem lies with the source of what powers the vehicles and that's the petroleum and crude oil industry.They've pretty much stayed the same while the parts of vehicles and methods of how the engines are made have allowed for more miles per gallon and so on. Cars have come a long way except for how they're built. The shell and bones of a car were built better back in the day, but now they use materials that don't rust on the outside so they aren't as vulnerable to deteriorating from rust and shit. Safety is neither here or there if you compare cars today to back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s. There's a lot more features today included in a car. Some like backup cameras come in handy and sensoring what is around your car. There's also a lot of add-ons that we could live without.

>>17160409
>Are they not already mass produced?
not well enough

>>17159269
Not be risk averse pussies

>>17159303
All electric everything is inevitable. You have to be a fucking retard to think we're still going to use liquid fuels in 20 years.

>>17160475
Nokia died because Microsoft bought it and APPLE was never first on sales lol, but I guess you like to be second of everything. C U C K

>dude just run planes and ships with batteries
>dude just use paper instead of all plastic

t. brianlet. oil is never going away. demand keeps increasing and will for the foreseeable future. electrical is a fad. current battery density is a joke and telsa only survives by exploiting socialist government grants and enviro brainlets. if dipshit musk wasn't subsidized by sub 100 iq enviro brainlets then all his garbage companies would be bankrupt by now. the guy is a fraud.

>>17159208
>implying everyone wants one of those betaboxe
Kys weirdo

>>17160576
>You have to be a fucking retard to think we're still going to use liquid fuels in 20 years.
Too dumb to make it

>>17160360
>a new gas car for $15k
Nissan Versa goes for $12.5k

>>17160673
stay mad.

>>17160721
not mad at all. on the contrary, im loving all the moronic negative press since it's allowing me to buying into fossil fuel companies at historic lows. musk is a snake oil salesman and complete fraudster. i'm going to enjoy watching his house of cards crumble.

>>17160576
>going to space in electric

>>17160673
The amount of petroleum left on the planet will be gone if we keep up the current rate at which we consume it. That's a straight fact and you can be pro-oil, but you can't deny fossil fuels are forever. What we can do is enable current motor vehicles the ability to use biofuel without manufacturing brand new cars. If Elon was even more smartminded, he would invest in Tesla hybrids that are not only powered by electricity, but biofuels that can be produced rapidly. Fuel from different plants other than ethanol from corn. Fuel from algae. Fuel from hemp. Make fuel from fruits and vegetables. Nothing wrong with burning oil, it's that us as people to never run out of the supply, we have to switch to more renewable and sustainable sources.

>>17160415
norway lol

>>17160842
We have several centuries worth of oil reserves. It’s not going to be a problem for you nor your grandchildren.

Thinking we only use oil for fuel is the absolute millennial peak of retarded

>>17159208
> oil companies go bankrupt
LMFAO

>>17160011
How does the tower generate and distribute power?

>>17160576
>>17159482
shows that you shutins never got you hands dirty. i helped out in at my relatives farm 2 summers and worked construction jobs. diesel is king. literally takes couple of minutes to fill up and you are fully operational. diesel has proper power, electric only has torque which is useless in these conditions. if they only get 1 minute of too much load they cant handle they burn out and you can throw the whole motor with the coils in the gutter. try putting to much load on a diesel, even in a case of something breaking its fixable without throwing away the whole unit

>>17161934
>diesel is king

>typewriters are king
>horseless carriages are king

>>17159269

>>17159269
Make electric cars that don't make the driver look like he takes semen up the ass.

>>17159208
Tesla is hurting them, but I think once the Japanese fully ramp up Hydrogen fuel car production then they will blow electric battery AND petrol cars out of the water

Hydrogen is just so superior to both, only lacking since it is so expensive, but as production efficiency increases then prices will drop

Battery tech has some hard limits, but hydrogen fuel cella can be refilled the same as a gas tank, quickly at a station.

>>17159482
>Imagine not knowing how disruptive technologies work.
Only 40% of an oil barrel is used in gasoline. The rest is used in plastics such as plastics used in a Tesla.

>>17162389
You don't burn co2 to make plastics

>>17162242
This. Toyota is already developing a prototype. Hydrogen is the future

>>17162427
Wheres the heat to crack the ethane come from? Peasant

>>17162576
they can capture that co2
its much less than we burn from gas and diesel

Oil will never stop being used you brainless pieces of shit.
Your clothes are made out of plastic, your computer is made out of plastic, your straws are made out of plastic. there are natural forms of plastic but the vast majority is made out of hydrocarbons.

What is oil made out of?
the crude oil that is deep in the earth is made out of Hydrogen and carbon molecules created in chains using pressure deep in the earth. tree's for example breath Co2 and push the excess into the earth, this co2 travels underground where it is pressured into creating Crude oil.

the crude oil is taken out of the earth and refined into oil, asphalt, jet fuel and other useful products.

In a car the oil is sprayed into a piston and mixed with air. the spark plug ignites burning the fuel.
the byproduct of this is that the hydrocarbon breaks down into its base elements.
Hydrogen and carbon. the carbon fuses with the oxygen to produce soot and O2 Carbon Monoxide. and the hydrogen is burned as fuel the byproduct is water vapor. the O2 breaks down into oxygen and carbon after a short while.

By burning Oil we are actually saving the environment.