/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17155489
It bottoms out at $40 every bear market and then moons and goes back to $40 in the next cycle. Even a retard like you could swing trade a coin literally made for crime.

>>17155489
when is monero going to upgrade out of a GPU mined children's "dark coin"

you have a damn brony as a lead developer

>>17155524
Pretty based
I want to fuck Fluttershy

>>17155489
It's not ready for prime time

>>17155504
Monero isn't made for crime. It's just a better version of Bitcoin, so it is currently being used for crime, and will inevitably be used for more because it is actually fungible.

>>17155506
Monero will be asic resistant until it is no longer feasible, which ensures decentralization during the important accumulation phase before the tail emissoin.

centralized

No pool resistance at all

>>17155573
oh god, are you the retard that thinks community supported hard forks are "centralized"?

>>17155489
when I got given a bunch in 2016 for some goods when they where around $5 ish and I sold at 90 when I remembered I had them.
Monero was my first trade I think

>>17155533
>>17155559
your own lead dev is trolling you idiots
he made this video 3 years ago and no development has happened
https://mea.business/

he even advises against buying this shitcoin
it's only a fun project not meant for anything more

>>17155628
>https://mea.business/

holy fucking shit you braindead pajeet. this video was made to troll pajeets like yourself who took over crypto with scams. Of course no development happened, it was a joke video.

Am I being trolled right now or are you actually this much of a shit eating pajeet? Jesus.

>>17155628
>and no development has happened
Fuck off, glownigger. There's been tremendous development in the past year, nevermind three years. XMR is going to $6k by the end of next year.

nobody takes monero seriously
it's why wasabi wallet dev nopara73 won't work on monero
there's just no momentum and no serious development
bitcoin will solve the privacy issues in time while it solves 10 other issues faster and better than any altcoin

>>17155489
XMR is already at $1.4b, ZEC has much more room for growth

>>17155666
zec also has much more inflation

>>17155666
nobdoy knows the MCAP of XMR idiot.
ZEC is bullshit piece of shit.
XMR is the sword against the throats of tyrants and despots

>>17155489

DELETE THIS SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>17155662
wasabi is trash and is autoflagged by kyc
serious developments going on right now: atomic swaps, tari, improved ring sigs, lowest inflation in crypto, decentralized markets, improved network layer obfuscation.
3rd most developers in crypto.

>bitcoin will solve the privacy issues in time
kek

>>17155666
trips prove this is satan. but really, zcash is a israeli backdoor. fuck off.

>>17155666

so you're only in it for gains huh? this is why you'll alwasy stay a clueless poorfag trading shitcoins when you could just hold BTC and XMR

>>17155720
where can you even buy monero besides bisq?

>>17155765
https://web.getmonero.org/community/merchants/

>>17155676
It's supply is the same as bitcoin, it's approaching its first halving, and it's currently $70
>>17155680
(You) are an idiot
>>17155720
It seems like Evil is way more profitable than Good
>>17155753
How is ZEC a shitcoin exactly? It's literally a fork of bitcoin with scalable privacy. What Moneroniggers wont tell you is that ringCT is expensive, and while bulletproofs greatly help, it still doesn't match the scalability of zk-snarks. Call it a shitcoin if you want, but it is academically vetted, has major institutional backing and has been largely sanctioned by regulators for high liquidity

>>17155659
Hello? Based department? I want to report a based and redpilled post

>>17155666
14k zec mined per day vs 1200 xmr, zec will have 30% inflation rate until 2025

>>17155864

retard, it's run like a corporation and has a dev tax, how the fuck is that decentralized? if it's not decentralized it's literally worth $0

have fun trading your centralized super neato zksnark bitcoin clone back and forth with nobody. did i mention nobody even uses the shielded transactions because it's opt in?

like i said, you don't understand the tech and you are staring at MUH MARKET CAP GUISE and you are going to lose all your money kek

What about SAFEX?
Is a Monero fork.
And is better than monero

>>17155978

well hmmm let's see that's a scam with no security so that sounds neato dude

>>17155864
zcash is a shitcoin because it is a centralized team, collecting a dev fee, with a shady origin. Why would you trust a privacy coin literally developed in israel? IT'S A BACKDOOR YOU RETARD. Additionally, Zcash is optional privacy, and a quick look at the transactions will show you that 99% of the transactions are not shielded, meaning an incredibly low anonymity set.

Monero's privacy is built into the base layer and therefore usable right out of the box. This is good for normies because they don't have to do extra research and have virtually guaranteed privacy.

And your inflation is trash.

>>17155909
>it's run like a corporation
corporations are very profitable
>has a dev tax, how the fuck is that decentralized?
development is always centralized, they just formalized it. Unless you have the keys to the Monero repo, you are trusting a centralized team of technocrats to make the decisions and write the software for you. It sounds like you're sipping the "We have no leaders" kool-aid, which I would argue didn't really work for BTC, but maybe you disagree. Regardless, your arguments are largely ideological and I doubt wallstreet shares the same ideology

>>17156031

INVEST IN FACEBOOK COIN THEN RETARD

>>17156031
This is flat out wrong though. People volunteer to help with Monero's coding all the time on their github. It's crowdsourced and community funded research and development. Do some research kike.

Zcash is closed off to anyone not on their (((Dev team))).

link related: https://www.timesofisrael.com/zcash-the-israeli-developed-virtual-money-starts-to-make-its-mark/

Monero is such a ridiculous unlikely moonshot I can't take these threads seriously

>>17156082

if you had a brain you would know it's literally the only alt coin that has any value at all

>>17155662
Why dont u just stick that sharpie in ur pooper while u suck off blockstream?

>>17156021
>it is a centralized team collecting a dev fee
There's nothing wrong with self-funding. If you don't understand the importance of funding then you might actually be a child
>shady origin
Monero only achieved liquidity because AlphaBay, the largest DNM at the time, bought up a bunch before listing it. But yes, Zcash has the shady beginning
>IT'S A BACKDOOR
Every single participant in the setup ceremony was compromised and they are all simultaneously keeping this big secret? Take your meds schizo
>Monero's privacy is built into the base layer and therefore usable right out of the box
This is nice, but it won't scale very well. If XMR were the new BTC, we would see $100 fees in no time
>>17156043
my stonks are pamping just fine
>>17156058
>Zcash is closed off to anyone not on their (((Dev team)))
Do you have commit access to the Monero repo? No you don't, you're just another /pol/ schizo

fwiw I own both XMR and ZEC, I'm just saying ZEC probably has more upside. So far I've been right

>>17156230
>There's nothing wrong with self-funding. If you don't understand the importance of funding then you might actually be a child
There is problems when this is literally a coin made in israel. Blue pilled idiot.
>Monero only achieved liquidity because AlphaBay, the largest DNM at the time, bought up a bunch before listing it. But yes, Zcash has the shady beginning
What are you even talking about. Monero is listed on numerous exchanges. One of the most nonsensical fuds I've seen about Monero to date, congrats.
>Every single participant in the setup ceremony was compromised and they are all simultaneously keeping this big secret? Take your meds schizo
Again, not being skeptical about Israel is fucking hilarious, especially with all that has happened with cyber security over the past decade with the nsa. pic related.
>This is nice, but it won't scale very well. If XMR were the new BTC, we would see $100 fees in no time
Monero's scaling is only going to continue to improve. Also you are a retard who doesn't understand that tail emission is the solution to high tx fees
>Do you have commit access to the Monero repo? No you don't, you're just another /pol/ schizo
I don't code. But I have contributed to their community meetups through github.

enjoy your high inflation with your scam coin you retard.

XMR going to soar hard this year, my stack of 471 will make me rich.

>>17156291
>There is problems when this is literally a coin made in israel
This isn't an argument
>What are you even talking about. Monero is listed on numerous exchanges
DNM stands for Dark Net Market anon. Are you new?
>pic related
Unironically bullish
>Monero's scaling is only going to continue to improve
That's some Vitalik-level handwaving
>I don't code
And there we have it, folks. I'm not even attacking XMR, I'm just saying... I bought both on new years day and my ZEC has significantly outperformed. You are clearly locked into an ideology and have married your investment, which may not be the most profitable strategy

>>17156411

a bunch of tl;dr bullshit

nobody is going to buy zcash except brainlets

>>17156472
My ZEC is up about 140% since the new year, while my XMR is up about 80%. Money talks anon

>>17156411
>DNM stands for Dark Net Market anon. Are you new?
you are theorizing that one dark net market that used monero is a "shady origin". I mean this is beyond retarded. On zcash's end, you had a coin developed by kikes. On the other, you have a privacy coin ACTUALLY BEING USED WITH A USE CASE.

Answer these questions: Why is it that zcash is not used at all on the dark net? Why is it that Monero's use on the dark net is prominent and rising (google white house market)?

And lastly, what are your thoughts on Zcash's annual 58% inflation?

>That's some Vitalik-level handwaving
except there is nothing to say that Monero is going to have difficulty scaling in the future as the tech improves. Second layer solutions like Tari are in development but as of now we have the superior privacy coin which is most important.

> I bought both on new years day and my ZEC has significantly outperformed
provably false based on charts and understanding econ. Again, you not understanding what a 58% annual inflation is going to do is a testament to how much of a retard you are.

>>17155533
Based

>>17156529
>theorizing that one dark net market that used monero is a "shady origin"
they "used" it as a pump scheme
>Why is it that zcash is not used at all on the dark net?
It is
>Why is it that Monero's use on the dark net is prominent
Because AlphaBay blessed it with liquidity, after accumulating a bunch, and the rest of the dark web has subsequently sanctioned it, likely because it's the same people
>google white house market
I've seen it, it's very nice
>what are your thoughts on Zcash's annual 58% inflation?
It's a fork of btc and has the same schedule as btc inflation
>there is nothing to say that Monero is going to have difficulty scaling in the future as the tech improves. Second layer solutions like Tari are in development
Bitcoiners talked a lot about second layer in 2017. How much of that talk has manifested in a usable product for normies? Interestingly enough, the inventor of LN himself said that LN is not a silver bullet. Scaling is the main hurdle for any blockchain and zks is objectively more scalable
>superior privacy coin
Zero knowledge proofs are more private than ring signatures. This is a fact.
>provably false based on charts
anon, I....

Monero is the future of privacy, zcash is the future venezuela inflation.

When does monero go down again? I've regained interest and BTC is boring

>>17156772
just because it doubled in price does not mean long term the value is going to look nice. It's a pump and dump coin based on asic hoarders first off, but second your value is depreciating at 58% per year. play with fire if you want but monero is the long term option and everybody who studies crypto gets this. All cryptos are getting pumped right now, so this is absolutely meaningless.

If you were smart at all you would dump your zcash and put it all in monero instead of eating that massive inflation. But you are a retard so whatever.

also zcash is not used on the dark net at all. you are talking out of your ass.

>Zero knowledge proofs are more private than ring signatures. This is a fact.

97% of zcash transactions are not shielded. This is a fact.

Monero's privacy is more than adequate and is usable out of the box. This is enormously beneficial to entice normies to use Monero. There currently exists no way of tracing Monero outside of fringe metadeta leaks from using a centralized exchange, but even in this case it is fool proof privacy.

>Because AlphaBay blessed it with liquidity, after accumulating a bunch, and the rest of the dark web has subsequently sanctioned it, likely because it's the same people

That's not what liquidity means. Alphabay was just the first usecase of monero, which helped build it's prominence in the dark net. Monero's liquidity is based on it being available on numerous exchanges.

Zcash has no use case. Nobody uses zcash for private transactions. Nobody uses zcash on the dark net. It is a pump and dump coin that is about going to get rekt by inflation and asic miners pumping and dumping.

Any Monero miners here? What hardware do you use and how many coins have you mined so far? What are your expectations with this coin?

>>17156977
Amd ryzen 3900x gives 12k hash/s. Everything below 0.1 btc and/or 1k usd is a steal.

>>17156935
>say ZEC has outperformed XMR for the year
>HURR DURR NO IT HASNT LOOK AT CHART
>proceed to show chart of ZEC outperforming
>THAT DOESNT COUNT ITS A PUMP AND DUMP
aaight I'm out

>>17157342
>weekly 1% inflation
>out performing Monero

kek

>>17157538
Price pays bud. Best of luck to you, may all your numbers go up

Get these ZhalomCash out of this Monero thread.

>>17157210
Charrie ree told me i should have at least 1 btc before playing shitcoin roulette, but how many xmr should i have???

>>17158065
500, they are cheap.

nice M

>>17155765
Flyp.me

>>17155864
(((psyop)))
pls fuck off

>>17156031
>wallstreet
>ideology
just lmao
fuck off

>>17156230
also, kys

>>17156529
old testament retard