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Long Overdue Year Of the Rat Edition

Stock Market General
Newfags, trips, spammers and scammers are welcome

List of popular brokers:
https://pastebin.com/F1yujtVq

List of basic stock market terminology:
https://pastebin.com/VtnpN5iJ

Risk management:
https://pastebin.com/sqJUcbjp

Real-time market news:
https://thefly.com/index.php

Live Bloomberg stream:
http://www.livenewson.com/american/bloomberg-television-business.html

Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain
https://nhentai.net/tag/bear-girl/

Free charting tools:
http://www.tradingview.com
https://www.koyfin.com/
https://www.finscreener.com/

Stock screeners:
https://finviz.com/
https://www.tradingview.com/screener

Pre-Market Data and Live data:
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
https://finance.yahoo.com/

Bio-pharma Catalyst Calendar:
https://biopharmcatalyst.com

Pump and Dump Advertising:
https://stocktwits.com

Boomer Investing 101:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

Dividend Reinvestment (DRIP) calculator:
https://www.dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator/

List of hedge fund holdings:
https://fintel.io/

Basic rundown on lean hogs:
http://www.theoptionsguide.com/lean-hogs-futures-buying.aspx

previously on /smg/
>>17069763

>> No.17072856

>>17072829
Bought 100k of spy puts see you guys on the other side

>> No.17072861

Should I buy GALT? Why or why not?

>> No.17072866
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>>17072856

>> No.17072869

>chang market crashes 8%
>australian market recovers 0.5%
I don't get it niggers. What's going on?

>> No.17072878

If the Chinese market goes to shit I'm gonna sell it all

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>> No.17072889

Can they bugpeople do it? Can they pump their market 9%?

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Winnie The Pooh,
Winnie The Pooh
Chubby little cubby
all stuffed with fluff
He's Winnie The Pooh,
Winnie The Pooh

>> No.17072899
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>>17072866
>pump eet

>> No.17072902
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>>17072869
Let's call it price discovery.

>> No.17072914

>>17072869
depends which market, SHCOMP is down, but not A50

>> No.17072916
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>>17072889
It would litorally be a miracle, this is a special day tho, 02/02/2020 :o
Blizzard growing outside, classes cancelled tomorrow. I need to go get foodies fugg

>> No.17072924

>>17072889
And if they do? Trend isn't changed so easily. CCP Liquidity Tool is working full force at the moment.

>> No.17072927

>>17072889
-7% now

>> No.17072934

>>17072866
gj on your 0.5% gain
lol bitcoin

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fine, no grating today

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>>17072829
IT'S FUCKING CRASHING SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL GET OUT OF THE MARKET

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>>17072936
just a little grate

>> No.17072956

Market is 100% unclear on where to price this lol

>> No.17072960

>>17072938
Futures look good. Like the chink virus, bear markets are only affecting insectoids.

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>>17072960
we will see tomorrow morning in the USA, I gottttta baaaad feeling.

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ask me later

>> No.17072990
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>short SPY
>long VXX
>long YANG
>long gold
>long BTC
anyone else comfy?

>> No.17073039

the chinese buying the btc dip to make a dalai lama pattern, the irony

>> No.17073041

>>17072990
I betcha my dune buggy/sea doo/ski doo company DOOO goes nice green tomorrow. It held up like a champ last week. One of my few that didn't hit stop loss. Others are electrical utilities and largest position is a 2x gold futures etf. Not concerned with either direction as i'm pretty well covered either way.

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I love it! After some of the worst threads in smg history, I was losing faith. But our goodposters are visiting, and our worst poster is shutting up for once!

>>17072936
>the anime has breasts
Who is this imposter?!

>>17072916
Blizzard assaulting the Mormons... should I buy ATVI?

On the other hand:
>>17072840
Should I short ATVI?

>> No.17073083

>>17072990
>10 VXX out-of-the-money calls to be in the money
>long YANG (which is based on FTSE 50, not SSE...)
>long GLD
>1 out-of-the-money put option that should be in the money if we see a 10% correction this week

>> No.17073084

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4


Can't wait to see what will happen tomorrow.

>> No.17073085

>>17073039
The BTC price action have nothing to do with the shit going on

>> No.17073089

>>17073041
I'm buying puts for 2/20. Hopefully I can make something happen.

>> No.17073096

Would PCY be a good bond since the chinks will devalue thier currency again?

>> No.17073097

>>17073084
Shortfag mass suicide.

>> No.17073098
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Now...

Imagine what will happen with TSLA

>> No.17073100

>Chinese Yuan

>> No.17073116
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Oh fuck, why didn't I think of this sooner it makes too much sense. Xi is going down

>> No.17073118

GE - Cause my kitchen appliances (mostly) are GE & the light bulbs. Still upside left to. Comcast - Cause I like their films,tv shows, and the HP theme park. The Divvy don't hurt either. T - Cause I like films, HP series and the Fat Divvy & Yield. 5G will be the next crack cocaine; everyone will want it. DIS - How can you honestly dislike them? You spent hours when you was a kid watching these films. Baker Hughes - Formally GE's oil and gas division. Forks out a nice yield and a half decent divvy. KHC - Don't lie, you got some of these products in your kitchen right now. I know I do. Forks out a fat divvy and yield. KDP - I like Dr Pepper and R.C Cola. Yield and Divvy are still in the growing stages. Kinda like bagging KO or PEP in the early days. AMRN and ONTX - Quick fat green bag plays, what? Hey at least I'm not trying to hide it. Sides I need those bags to kick start my Funds with money. So when I turn 65 I can be a lazy fucker and not have to worry about anything.

>> No.17073130

Ehh, it's nothing. Just go watch the superbowl goys.

>> No.17073132
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>>17073065
It am always darkest b4 the dawn, special day in full effect
No jokies thinking of short ATVI through earnies, I know nothing about their financials but video game players seem to be days away from ransacking Blizzy's offices

>> No.17073133

>>17073118
>AMRN
You cannot be serious.

>> No.17073134
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>>17072866
for what purpose?

>> No.17073135

>>17073083
Theres some difference but not as much as you think because arbitrage wont let that much of a premium develop between the different A and H shares. YANG is still holding large china caps and if china caps go down alot you make money. Chinese workers not working for weeks, 3 mil barrel oil demand drop that is devastating. The price action is rising because of plunge protecting pboc but the yuan is dropping hard rn despite china pegging it higher than expected. Also even in the 1hr since market has opened they had to announce even MORE measures in the form of repo rate cuts.
Yang gang rise up

>> No.17073142

Boys when does US stock markets open?

>> No.17073144

>>17073132
I started playing WoW classic again and shit is alive

do not short ATVI

>> No.17073148

>>17072829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBSqiqqt_7E

>> No.17073157

>>17073118
Stop posting this trash. Chinese company owns GE appliances, GE no longer makes lightbulbs, Comcast is bleeding money from Directv and plugpullers, HP is an impressive dynasty of successive failures for a company that once stood shoulder to shoulder with IBM...
I give up, you're both retarded and have some sort of mental disorder

>> No.17073163

>>17073097
It will be glorious. S&P closes up for the day, trades sideways for the week, and finally crashes next week. The Bogs must have their sacrifice.

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>>17073130

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>just buy the dip bro

>> No.17073168

>>17073142
like 11 hours

>> No.17073170

Y'all really be ready to sell those vertical put spreads on the SPY and the Q's come Monday open.

>> No.17073172

>>17073085
It is retard. BTC pumped at china open, a lot of hedge funds consider btc a macro asset.

>> No.17073177

>>17073167
what platform is this

>> No.17073180
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>>17073167

>> No.17073186

>>17073177
1. remove that faggy trip
2. fking newfag

>> No.17073194

>>17073135
I have a long YANG position but I should have went with ASHR shorts. Still I think I will hold on Monday.

>> No.17073203

>>17073186
No u

>> No.17073204

>>17073177
tradingview silly

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HAVE WE STARTED THE FIRE?

>> No.17073215

>>17073194
long YANG +41%, short ASHR +14% (at friday close)

>> No.17073223
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This is extremely bullish for the United States. In a weakened state China will be at a disadvantage when it comes to trade negotiations and unable to weather the burden of our tariffs. Weak China = cheaper goods = more profits for US companies and more cheap chinkshit for consumers. We going to the moon.

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>>17073204
>no options

>> No.17073230
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>>17073223
>this is extremely bullish

>> No.17073231

Social media bots will be out in full force, stand your ground.

>> No.17073243

>>17073223
gold is going down so i'd agree with you

>> No.17073248

>>17073230
>weak and desperate China
>anything but bullish
Explain

>> No.17073249

>>17073227
This though. I wish these fuckers at tv would add options for those who want to pay.

>> No.17073253
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17073253

You did short the chinamen, didn't you anon?
It was free money

>> No.17073262

>>17073144
The vast majority of Activision's revenue comes from microtransactions though, classic is nothing for Activision.

>>17073172
Damn, so they pumped it just to dump it down again for some reason? Doesn't it make more sense that it failed to make a new low and blasted off to test the monthly level people have been waiting for for a week now? Just to then reject the strong and very expected monthly and test the candle that made the higher low yesterday? I've been fucking waiting for this for a week, don't come here and be a gullible idiot about it.

>> No.17073263

Gimme some meme stock to buy. Please.

>> No.17073269

Been shorting the markets for 7 months now, did nothing but lose money, I'm hoping i can make some recovery this week! Thanks China!

>> No.17073270

/es up
/gc and /vx and /cl down

dis good news

>> No.17073272

>>17073263
>>17073263
anything chinese

>> No.17073277

>>17073248
You think stock indices can sustain their current values against a global pandemic? That's what this Is. Its gonna devastate china but USA indices are gonna escape a dip

>> No.17073299

>>17073263
>>17073272
Anything with wuhan in the name

>> No.17073308
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>> No.17073322

>>17073223

Looking at the pre markets right now, American pre markets are up, we'll see what happens overnight.

>> No.17073330

>>17073135
>Theres some difference but not as much as you think because arbitrage wont let that much of a premium develop between the different A and H shares.
wrong

>> No.17073333

>>17073262
>muh levels
that move was correlated with china open, stock down and cny shooting up. algos were dumping cny to buy btc during turmoil. it's becoming a macro asset

>> No.17073336

>>17073308
the memories of getting in on shorting the aussie before it went below parity

>> No.17073338

>>17073322
>thinking only 12-24hr ahead

>> No.17073345

How can I buy the dip on china?

>> No.17073348
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it's just a flu bro

>> No.17073360

>>17073345
FXI

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>EIGHT PERCENT

>> No.17073366

>>17073322
do people believe this is bullish?

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>>17073348
I've never seen a flu do this to someone

>> No.17073377

>>17073253
NOT JUST THE CHINAMEN, THE JAPWOMAN AND THAILADYBOYS TOO!

>> No.17073379

>>17073333
>Muh levels
That worked out perfectly, but no.. the chinks pumped it on the open just to then dump it down again to the daily average. Makes sense

>> No.17073385

>>17073367
What the fuck, is that from Corona virus?
It looks like she's puking petrol or something.

>> No.17073387

>>17073367
Coronavirus is a big deal, but if you see videos like that and assume they're real or even recent, you're a retard.

>> No.17073394

>>17073142
Why are you here?

>> No.17073397

>>17073385
corona shreds your lungs and then makes you puke them out

>> No.17073398

>>17073367
I saw that video in 2015 retrokekkies

>> No.17073399
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>>17073367
kek
this not from virus
this old webm
and puke like that from drinking too much

>> No.17073402

>>17073367
what a waste coulda at least felt up them tiddies at the end

>> No.17073407

>>17073180
Tony Dwyer was right every time.

I bet you’re one of those assholes who pushed Budd Dwyer to the end of his rope, too.

>> No.17073410

>>17073336
I love you anon, we’re gonna be rich!

>> No.17073412

>>17073385
no, you're seriously believing some retard on 4chan immediately?
generally corona virus is indistinguishable from a regular cold unless you're one of the unlucky fuckers who gets the organ failure included variety

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>>17073385
Pretty sure that's activated charcoal being used for alcohol poisoning

>> No.17073416

>>17073366

Yes I do, I'm looking at Japan right now, they are only down 1 percent while China is down 7 percent! This is going to hit China much much harder than us.

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>>17073387
>>17073398
>>17073399
ah yes, the panic prevention shills
every time you post this video, they come out of the woodworks

>> No.17073428

>>17072829
wow that a real cute pic OP

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>futures up because senile boomers are all watching the game and don't care about Chinks
>all have heart attacks on Monday and sell everything
>mfw

>> No.17073431

need ONTX and SRNE to pump so I can buy more SAVA and SOXL.

>> No.17073432

Imagine a tiny infectious boy killing a year's worth of economic growth in 5 days.

>> No.17073434
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>>17073419
I litorally have a copy of it saved from 2018

>> No.17073438

NIO has no funding and this crisis is going on over there. It would be a bad idea to purchase even on this dip, right?

>> No.17073442
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>>17073262
>>17073144
>>17073132
I believe Candycrush hit the $1billion profit level this year, or something.

Gamers complain and bitch and moan and boycott. But to what end? This new pokemon is about the best selling version since the original red/blue/yellow

>> No.17073446

>>17073434
That's... unsettling.

>> No.17073460

Brainlet here. I sold most of my stocks at pretty good profit in anticipation of tomorrow and set my other stuff to “conservative”

Which instrument should I buy to make off tomorrow’s blood bath? I also have a few BTC.

>> No.17073467

>>17073460
FXI

>> No.17073474

>>17073467
Ok thanks anon. Will research it

>> No.17073479

>>17073442
That didn't save Nintendo from getting dumped lmao

>> No.17073483

>>17073474
no research needed, it's chinese etf. just buy at market open and sell at market close

>> No.17073510

>>17073479
That’s not really why though

Though Sony is handling the nikkei selloff better.

>> No.17073517

>>17073483
Why buy a China ETF now though?

>> No.17073519

scariest thing of corona is the pneumonia deaths of people just walking around. Not enough emergency services so they try walking to a hospital and fall dead

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>>17073434
Damn... do you have every fetish in the book?

>> No.17073523

>>17073517
>>17073180

>> No.17073528

>>17073483
Ok cool.

>> No.17073557
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>> No.17073568

>>17073557
PLEASE CLAP

>> No.17073581

Is it too late to short chineese indexes?

>> No.17073601

is it too late to short chink bat soup stocks?

>> No.17073605

>corona virus cure found
It’s everywhere even on Bloomberg. Buy the dip boys? I’ve bought tons of blue chips that dipped.

>> No.17073630

>The Chinese century
Indeed

>> No.17073632

https://finance.now.com/news/post.php?id=562829&isapp=1
>[Stock with unusual movement] Fusen Pharmaceutical soared 66%, its "Shuanghuanglian Koufuye" set off a buying spree
>Fusen Pharmaceutical (01652.HK) opened 65.5% higher, reported at HK$9.5, and the turnover was HK$5.95 million.
>The Group announced that it was informed of recent media reports that Shuanghuanglian Koufuye, one of the Group's main products, has the ability to inhibit novel coronavirus. The company will closely monitor the development of novel coronavirus and the market demand for Shuanghuanglian Koufuye, and review and adjust the production capacity of Shuanghuanglian Koufuye to meet market demand when necessary.
>According to relavent news article, a preliminary study jointly conducted by the Shanghai Institute of Materia Medica, Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences claims that Shuanghuanglian Koufuye has the potential to inhibit the novel coronavirus. However, the Shanghai Institute of Materia Medica, Chinese Academy of Sciences pointed out that the efficacy of Shuanghuanglian Koufuye in inhibiting the novel coronavirus remains to be confirmed by further clinical trials. The Group has not conducted any research activities on the efficacy of Shuanghuanglian Koufuye in inhibiting the novel coronavirus, nor has it made any statement or guarantee regarding the efficacy.
>"Shuanghuanglian" is a Traditional Chinese Medicine formula mainly composed of three herbal extracts, including honeysuckle flower, baikal skullcap root and forsythia, which are mainly used to treat various infections.
>According to the records of the National Food and Drug Administration, 12 pharmaceutical companies in the Mainland China have obtained relevant permits for the production of Shuanghuanglian Koufuye.

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>>17073557
Jeb was the liquidity tool all along

>> No.17073636

>>17073605
The hiv drug thing has been known about for a while

>> No.17073637

FREE ZEROHEDGE

>> No.17073641

Is anyone aware of the credit risk? Could this snowball elsewhere (looking at Chinese creditors)

>> No.17073643
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China banning all prop desk trading

LMAO

>> No.17073644

>>17073632
Kek

Try cbd oil tooo

>> No.17073649

>>17073636
Nah Thailand now claim using them together with certain flu medicine would have better effect

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>>17073643
>THIS IS A VERY BULLISH MOVE!@@11!!

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>>17073643
OH NO NO NO NO

>> No.17073702

>>17073643
Source?
Would increase panic even more

>> No.17073704

>>17073635
>>17073568
Jeb!

I miss him bros

>> No.17073718

>Gold falling
Wonder why desu. Should go up

>> No.17073722

>>17073581
You’ll be fighting whatever tools the Chinese government has at their disposal, should they choose to use them.

>> No.17073733

>>17073649
N = 1

>> No.17073738
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>>17073704

>> No.17073770

>>17073718
I would consider buying some
but who knows anymore lol
no way that they can keep the Shanghai from going under 2500 this month... but for some reason they're gonna try

>> No.17073772

>>17073738
MORE MORE MORE!!!

JEB IN THE HAZMAT SUIT!
JEB AND XI
JEB AND CORONACHAN
JEB AND GRETA
JEB AND LITTLE ROCKET MAN
JEB AND BARON TRUMP
JEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEBJEB

JEB!

>> No.17073775

>>17073718
It's over. Chinese markets dropped 8%. Coronoa virus is now fully priced in. We are only going up from here.

>> No.17073783

>>17073770
Buy every gold dip, buy every stock dip,
Fuck bonds.

Unironically, Dalio made a lot of sense to me when he said cash is trash. Even TIPS are better. All cash does is give you liquidity to buy more stocks and rocks.

>> No.17073789

>>17073733
n=7, not a big number but still something for the market and everyone to dream about

>> No.17073793

>>17073167
Not as bad as April last year (right after that massacre actually... hmm)

>> No.17073797

Guys... I’m never going to get BILI and BABA cheapies, am I?

I’m finally getting NTDOY cheapies... I’m already balls deep...

>> No.17073798
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Funny how Americans were watching the Kansas City Chiefs win the Superbowl while millions of baby dicked chinklets were losing their retirement noodle fund

>> No.17073814

>>17073798
they all buy tons of housing for their retirement

>> No.17073816
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>>17073798
How many Chinese really own Chinese stocks? It’s gotta be less than Americans who own US stocks (including retirement funds)

Also qipao babes hate penises more than 5” long and want nothing to do with comical American circus penis.

>> No.17073825

>>17073816
>It’s gotta be less than Americans
Theres 1.4 billion of them.

>> No.17073828

>>17073825
and 1 billion of them are rice farmers

>> No.17073831

>>17073825
Who are mostly too poor to afford enough dirt to qualify as “dirt poor”

>> No.17073835

Does anyone have new info on that Chinese chicken flu that forced the Commies to cull thousands of chickens?

>> No.17073838
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It's got a long way to go yet before it matches the turbulence in 2015.

>> No.17073840

So... Do we expect the Chinese stocks to drop further in Europe and the USA? I believe we will see some stabilization happen.

>>17073770
Went up by 25% last year. Best long term investment I have

>> No.17073842
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Some speculation on trading the reversal:
Flu virus has similar R-nought value relative to nCoV-2019, although slightly lower.
Flu has shorter incubation period: a few days, where nCoV can be as high as 10 to 14 days.
Parabolic top on the actual infection numbers will peak very sharply compared to flu, because of quarantine measures and public fear.
Based on reports, index case (first one) occured December 1.
January 23, CCCP began measure to quarantine major cities in Wuhan province.
From people I know that do business there and what others say on the internet, the result of that government declaration resulted in tens of millions of people fleeing to other provinces.
The diaspora of potential nCoV carriers from Wuhan occured on Jan 24, so the peak rate of infection (not peak infection magnitude) should occur sometime between tomorrow and February 2.
Based on reported index case, with very rough comparison viral like spreads, peak magnitude of infection should occur 12-16 weeks after index case. i.e. some day between last week of february and last week of march.


Everyone on the stock market right now is trying to time 'peak fear', since it will likely correlate with the greatest value reaped from purchasing equity. Peak infection may not happen for another 4 to 8 weeks, but I think the best buying opportunity is late this week or next Monday.

>> No.17073845

>>17073816
too bad for them qipao babes cause imma be ripping them apart with 7" of american steel

>> No.17073848

>>17073797
>nintendo chinese team up
>miyamoto got coronavirus from the chinese switch launch
>other consoles coming this year
>no new switch hardware until at least 2021
>tons of goodwill being burned everyday
Everyday will be nintendo cheapy day

>> No.17073863

>>17073840
I'm more baffled by how stable it has been... you'd think the communist government would manipulate chaotic prices to benefit itself.

>> No.17073881

>>17073842
Deaths maximize at peak infection

Also you have various cities and countries hitting peak at different periods in time.

You have to judge which countries will have self-spreading breakouts as well and how that goes. China itself will peek as you said in months from now.

Also the containment of certain cities has virtually no actual end effect on peak timing for China.

The big thing to guess, is international spread.

>> No.17073886

>>17073816
they invest in the US. China is too risky because of the CCP.

>> No.17073888

>>17073842
A severe disruption in supply may occur from this. Think of how that impacts prices IF significantly disrupted. From memory Wuhan is one of the major industrial organs of China, a region of factories supplying the entire world. The increase in price of things from a disruption to the labour in this region is the only real concern here.

The rest is nonsense and hysteria.

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>>17073557
JEB!

>> No.17073896

>>17073863
I also did not expect an 8% drop. The gov is manipulating the market, the prices, the sellers, the banks but still 8% down. Thats heavy shit.

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>>17073132
sure do regret giving up on the fngu dream

>> No.17073903

>>17073896
Yeah, it's a government.
That's what governments do because they're just a corporation without the labels.

>> No.17073907

>>17073816
According to official Chinese data, as of 2019 March, number of investors in Shanghai and Shenzhen market is 151 Million.

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>dude just put your money in a passive index and do nothing it always works
>passive investing is safe man don't worry about it

...

>> No.17073920

>>17073881
I don't value measuring mortality, because to the economy the only thing that matters is disruption of supply chains and business. I think, but might be wrong, that for countries that do have measurable impacts to the global economies, the only at-risk one is India. All the others I can see are taking appropriate measures to contain and inform, on top of the increased anxiety and paranoia that the news cycle is feeding people.

>>17073888
Economic disruption is priced in with news of rate of infection. Markets tend to bring future risk forward.
So as far as price action of equities are concerned, the only thing that matters is peak rate of infection and actions taken by governments.

>> No.17073922

>>17073840
It cannot drop lower because anything reaching 10% drop will be suspended from trading

>> No.17073925

>>17073920
consumers

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>>17073783
>All cash does is give you liquidity to buy more stocks and rocks.
which is pretty nice

>>17073816
>tfw my pennies is too long and bulbous for a qipao babe
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.17073929

>>17073912
What kind of a retard invests in Chinese indexes lmao.

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>>17073912
That's for American indexes. And it's a 25 year hold kinda thing for folk who are unwilling or unable to trade more actively.

>> No.17073946

>>17073912
Why do retards keep saying this as if it’s ever said in regards to the chinese market?

A. Stocks that go down, also come back up
B. The Chinese stock market isn’t the index people talk about. They generally say S&P index fund.

>> No.17073960

>>17073912
It's hard as fuck to beat SPY returns

>> No.17074008

>>17073960
>not knowing about TQQQ, SOXL, TECL, etc.

>> No.17074011

>>17073903
Im not suprised by the gouvernment intervention obviously.
Im surprised by the lack of success they have with it.
>>17073912
That only goes for the S&P, FTSE, MDAX and some other western markets. China is not on that level yet

>> No.17074031

>>17074011
>Im surprised by the lack of success they have with it.
I'm not, I've been hearing about their government's dysfunction for a decade. This was from Chinese people in Singapore. Australia copped the same shit shortly after too. They are financially incompetent. In fact that describes the history of China. It's not just the Communism.

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>>17073926
I’ve been confusing canadakun with qipao poster a lot lately I think...

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>>17074032
>posts a nip in a Chinese batman show.

>> No.17074051

Hoo fuck, I KNEW I shoulda bought YANG on Friday! DAMMIT! Oh well...

>> No.17074058

bought some YANG and CHAD on firday so thats good, but i didn't sell out of my portfolio. I definitely should've.

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>>17074032
we're all Canadian here, eh
the Qipao is the official dress for a young Canadian girl to wear when she plays moose hockey for the first time in the official coming-of-age ceremony

>> No.17074083

>>17074050
SEASON 2 WHEN!!???

(No that other one doesn’t count and never happened)

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At least post the superior Chinese DtB character.

>> No.17074090
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>>17074074
It's true.

>> No.17074108

>>17069877
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>> No.17074113

>>17073367
That from 2016 newfags lol

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>>17073419
>>17073430
What is this? Pepe pedobear?

>> No.17074116

>>17074089
Doesn’t exist, not canon, reeee

>> No.17074133

>>17074115
His name is Bobo and he represents bears.

>> No.17074146

>>17074051
>>17074058
Fucking retards. China markets are crashing because trading has been closed for the past two weeks and it's just catching up with US markets. It's a lot worse than what the US markets were pricing in and S&P futures are already up almost 1%. Tomorrow is going to be a huge green day.

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>>17074115

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So is it gonna go up or down?

>> No.17074180

>>17073434
Retards jerking off to doomporn btfo

>> No.17074196

>>17074175
China is going down this week. Hard

>> No.17074206

>>17073098
TSLA to 777

>> No.17074208

>>17074196
Does that mean US stocks will go up then?

>> No.17074209

>>17074146
China had already gone negative before they closed for New Years, undoing a month’s worth of gains in a few weeks. S&P was down less than 0.3% year to date. China just dropped 10.43% year to date.

It’s not just catching up with the S&P. It’s getting killed, while the S&P is just crab world.

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>>17074108
Will bullboomers every stop getting absolutely ass blasted?

>> No.17074217

>>17073118
>lists nothing but DJIA components and equally retarded boomer stocks

get the fuck out, reddit.

>> No.17074219

If the China bear is the panda, what’s the China bull look like?

Also, China bear should maybe really be Winnie the Pooh...

>> No.17074231

>>17074175
Probably

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>>17074211
Green day tomorrow.

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>>17074175
Might could probably maybe open green for a bit. After that I dunno. This fast twitch stuff is way out of my wheelhouse. I am unlikely to buy anything tomorrow as I want more clarification.

>> No.17074268

>>17074208
I expect the US stocks to rise today.
And I did so on friday, so I did not buy any SPY puts, SQQQ, etc. for today. Hope that was correct.

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>>17074219
China has an equivalent bull to the wall street bull.

>> No.17074289

>>17074206
You are like a little babby. TSLA to $7777 by 2025.

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>>17074219
They have the zodiac sign of the bull/buffalo/ox
Maybe this

>> No.17074297

>>17074284
Can they stop stealing for 5 seconds?

>> No.17074299

>>17074297
no

>> No.17074306

>>17074284
>china in charge of creativity

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a-am I gonna make it bros?

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OH GOD NO
CRAB BROS WE GOT OVERCONFIDENT
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

>> No.17074316

best place to look at futures?

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>>17074308
>that spike on Jan 16

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>>17074241

>> No.17074354

>>17074316
Investing.com if you just want a quick overview. Tradingview to watch the actual charts.

>> No.17074369

>>17074342
I am sorry, but you have to have an IQ over 60 to post in this thread.

>> No.17074383

>>17074369
You must have at least $100 in your account to post on this board.

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Anon on /pol/ said to short Australia because their economy is so dependent on China. It doesn't look like it's taken a very big hit so far. Good idea?

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>>17074389
Didn’t their stock market burn to the ground already? How many coronachan carriers are there?

>> No.17074422

>>17074389
Whenever I fap to Sachiko it feels so good

>> No.17074425

>>17074383
I've got $83 in my Robinhood account. Isn't that close enough?

>> No.17074449

>>17074422
How good

>> No.17074454

>>17073912
>bait

That’s a nice codfish you’ve got there

>>17073888
>those lucky china trips
Checked and respected

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>>17074422
>>17074389
Gibs me dat snatchmo

>> No.17074471

Don't worry guys, FED will cut rates again! Banks will now pay you to take their money. All is well, infinite bullmarket!!! SPEND SPEND SPEND! CONSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!

>> No.17074493

>>17074471
>paradigm shift
>MMT
>credit theory of inflationary expansions
>evolution of centralized post-agrarian, post-industrial civilization

I bet you’re a goldbug, ain’t ya?

>> No.17074502

>>17074493
Lol. Just because money is a scam doesn't mean I won't get rich off the backs of the retards getting fucked over with inflation.

>> No.17074503

Where's that real-time virus tracking site?

>> No.17074512

>>17074503
this one?
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

>> No.17074525

So the Chinese banned selling if a share drops below -10% now.
The US markets will probably react quite bad to this and dump even more of the stuff as long as they can, right?

>> No.17074534

>>17074512
India wiped out when?

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>>17074525

>> No.17074543

>>17074512
Nice straightforward presentation there, but not the one I've seen linked here before... this other site drew more attention to the number of "recovered" cases in each country.

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>>17074534
If their poo powers can't protect them, it will probably go exponential in <2 weeks.
>>17074543
I think this is the one you're thinking of
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

>> No.17074570

New episode
http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/

This week in virology - very educational. They have 2 total episodes on the coronavirus outbreak and it is essential listening.

>> No.17074571

>>17074564
ah yeah, that's the stuff *masturbates*

>> No.17074590

>>17074564
>>17074571
it doesn't load for me, what am I doing wrong?

>> No.17074610

>>17074590
Yeah I'm having the same issue
idk what's wrong with it, I'm guessing it's just a temporary bug though, since they still link to it on their website

>> No.17074611

>>17074590
ya map seems down for me, I've been checking it multiple times a day
Maybe they have too much traffic or need to update it for all the new cases/deaths today?

>> No.17074618

>>17074610
>>17074611
There were so many deaths they had a stack overflow.

>> No.17074676

how much is the market gon tank bros...

>> No.17074686

>>17074676
bout tree fiddy

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>>17074676
gorillian dollars

>> No.17074734

The conspiracy network is alive and thriving and the gist of this is that the coronavirus is created in some lab because it has a sequence that is similar to HIV. I have two very good sources and they point out that this claim is MOST LIKELY completely bogus. Why? Because this very same sequence also exists in many other viruses and it is NOT unique to the coronavirus or HIV, which by the way was a virus.
This claim comes from a questionable scientist based in India where he took the genome sequences of Wuhan coronavirus, without any peer review, and claimed that it had similarities to the genome of…HIV. Some have argued this is why it is even spreading so fast. Sorry, that is because of how it is transmitted which is like the seasonal flu whereas HIV was transmitted predominantly from sexual contact.
Reliable sources found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Most interestingly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag.
Before we jump to the next zombie apocalypse, I question why any reliable scientist would sport out such findings without peer-review. Everything is turning on this distrust of China. If the coronavirus was splice in a lab by them for military purposes, then surely they would not hand the evidence over to the rest of the world. Let’s be rational here.
Given that the Wuhan coronavirus (2019-nCoV) appears to have four additions to its genome that similar viruses, like SARS and MERS, are lacking. This implies a lower death-rate, but perhaps a higher contagion rate being more similar to the seasonal flu.

Sorry, perhaps the culprit may just be mother nature and not some mad scientist in a lab. We should wait for a peer-to-peer review, but this claim from India appears to be bogus on the surface. It is not pointing out that this sequence also appears in many other viruses.

>> No.17074740

>>17074734
TL;DR:
We need flags on /biz/

>> No.17074746

>>17074570
Man, these boomers are hard to listen to. Le cringe

>> No.17074773

>>17074734
>namefag
opinion discarded

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>>17073116
This will get buried

>> No.17074798

>>17074734
Why would anyone ever believe what poo in loo "scientists" have to say?

>> No.17074806

>>17074746
its tough last ep was better

>> No.17074810

>>17073116
hopefully

They are going down the russia path with xi

>> No.17074825

>>17073116
I dont understand anything here.

>> No.17074828

NOOOOOOOOO WHY IS IT GREEEEEEN

>> No.17074838
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The bull is the eternal boomer. It is an archetype which has existed since the dawn of man. The gullible, overly optimistic fool. No matter what happens the bull will assure us that it has been priced in and that tomorrow will be green. No matter how many times this is incorrect, no matter how many days in a row it's been red, the bull will proclaim that they, and only they, know the future and it is green. No matter how hard they boomer tries to deny fate, to deny balance, by manipulating numbers and throwing money around, the end is inevitable. In every generation there will come the doomer. The doomer, tired of false optimism and manipulated numbers, will short the boomer into the ground. The boomer will die tired and alone, scared and still holding the bags of dirt which they were sure would go back up. And then, in a tragic twist of fate, the doomer will become the boomer after his windfall is locked in. Thus the archetypes keep appearing, again and again.

>> No.17074859

>>17074740
I’m sick of hearing this. All it would do is give a false sense of certainty.

We already have userids and people easily get around those with vpns and multiple devices.

>(Still proud of myself for catching shotcaller when he tried to congratulate himself on his own picks and build a following so he could get people to pay him for stock advice. He samefagged but forgot to switch WiFi networks or whatever and didn’t delete it fast enough)

You need to know that the 50 cent army is all over the Internet. The Russians are as well. I think the Indians mostly do clickfarming and crypto scams, as well as getting seniors to buy them gift cards by pretending to be their relatives or conning lonely people looking for relationships.

There’s other shit too but the point is, you shouldn’t trust flags to mean a goddamn thing.

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>>17072829
Did I make it guys?

>> No.17074875

>>17074866
nice gamble, nigger. did you bet on red or black?

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>>17074838
Undoubtedly based and red pilled. Poetic.

>> No.17074880

>>17074866
Opposite of GUH

>> No.17074891

>>17074734
>The conspiracy network is alive and thriving and
I too can copy and paste information from kiwifarms.

>> No.17074892

>>17074878
>>17074838
>fighting the fed
Yikes

>> No.17074895

>>17074866
very nice

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China u good bro?

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>>17074896
give it horns and it's a bull

>> No.17074937

Dont the chinese have a central federal bank? They should pump a trillion or two into their stock market.

>> No.17074938
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>>17074828
To spite you. But look at past S&P dips, don't worry about why those dips occurred just look at the charts on the daily. It's very rare for a direct drop straight down. There is always some chop as supports get tested, new resistances form. Sometimes you get the up down up down up down squiggle over a period of a week or two before trend resumes back up or the bottom falls out and things move lower.

>> No.17074942

>>17074937
nah bro they should just just rates lmao. need to get them purchases up. CONSOOOOOOOOOM!!

>> No.17074946

>>17074937
They are doing 170 something billion in stimulus.

>> No.17074952

>>17074942
based

>> No.17074965

>>17074866
alright alright

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>opened a brokerage account at the start of the year
>make one decent trade, one average trade
>today
>my one dude weed is still bleeding
>epxo mining cap stock loses its JV project with rio tinto and tanks 50%
>meme lending stock (like afterpay) starts tanking
>tfw 10% down for the day

t. asx memetrader

Its all a learning experience, r-right guys

>> No.17074985

In the summer I invested into BGG at 12.79 a share. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.17074992

>>17074977
>Its all a learning experience, r-right guys
Yep. You learn from your mistakes and you get better.

>> No.17074997

>>17074977
>Its all a learning experience, r-right guys
Yeah. Pretty much.

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>>17074985
>AHHHHHHHHHH
iktf
I bought SPY calls for Jan '21 the day before the flu popped off in China a few days ago.

>> No.17075012

>sold vxx calls
>didn’t also buy svxy calls
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>17074977
Indeed. It took me a long time to lose 25% and then blast through break even to +14%, and even longer for me to lose those gains and now down to +5%. And whatever I lose tomorrow from Nintendo crashing.

>> No.17075104

>>17072974
No
-1 ) Taiwan
-2 ) Japan
-3 ) ????
-4 ) China

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>>17075104
based

>> No.17075134

>>17075113
make it winnie the pooh

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New numbers due out of WuFlu infections and deaths due out any minute now.

India deploying stimulus in desperate effort to fight off stagflation.

CHK tired of blowing up stock trader accounts, now blowing up mines and killing people.

Oh, and Glaxo looks like they’re throwing their hat in the ring of WuFlu cures/vaccine efforts.

>CEPI, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, and GSK today announced a new collaboration aimed at helping the global effort to develop a vaccine for the 2019-nCoV virus. In this new move GSK will make its established pandemic vaccine adjuvant platform technology available to enhance the development of an effective vaccine against 2019-nCoV.

>GSK is a leader in the development of innovative vaccines using different adjuvant systems. An adjuvant is added to some vaccines to enhance the immune response, thereby creating a stronger and longer lasting immunity against infections than the vaccine alone. The use of an adjuvant is of particular importance in a pandemic situation since it can reduce the amount of antigen required per dose, allowing more vaccine doses to be produced and made available to more people.

>> No.17075157

Can someone tell me why Nikkei and Kospi are not crashing harder? It is pure speculation before the downfall?
How long are you assuming before China economy goes back to normal?

Even if it were a week, I don't think they can dodge this by injecting, banning short, and what not.
I own a China import based company and it's like... Europe won't survive this year, and we will end with 1 eur = 1 chf = ¿1.02? usd
Also, this very morning 2 of the big 5 banks in Spain haven't allowed me to put cash in the atm (to pay the bills), and you could only draft 100eur. I don't know if it was an issue in the relative small village I live, but Spanish bancs are all even worse than Deutsche banks.

>> No.17075159

>>17075134
was thinking about doing that
but pandas are pretty cute imo, it's maybe a bit more appropriate too since multiple asian markets are going to shit the bed

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>>17073367
context?

>> No.17075209

>>17072829
should I short european airlines? they will probably start restrict flights in 3 weeks.

post your best corona-chan shorts

>> No.17075225

>>17074880
>Opposite of GUH
So, HUG?

>> No.17075232

Will the iowa caucus affect the market much?

>> No.17075235

>>17075209
3M has been the best so far. But if this takes long most companies will go down because logistics.

>> No.17075249

new ;_; !!

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>>17075246


>>17075246

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>>17075157
>Also, this very morning 2 of the big 5 banks in Spain haven't allowed me to put cash in the atm (to pay the bills), and you could only draft 100eur. I don't know if it was an issue in the relative small village I live, but Spanish bancs are all even worse than Deutsche banks.
Oof. That ain't good.

As for general direction of trends on the international indices at the moment, I'm content to mostly sit out and wait for more clarity. Making quick judgements during this kind of trouble is too high risk and low percentage for me.

>> No.17075606

Any chance you have come across Tachyon? one of the gems in the space of blockchain

>> No.17076337

Finna pickup truck 1000 link and 2000 tezos right now.
Blows air threw tooth

>> No.17076386

bro wtf is my industry rn lmfao nice super bowl ads retards

>> No.17076797

>>17073415
helpful comment

WTF