/biz/ - Business & Finance

It’ll workout good for you for a while until it destroys America 5-10 years down the road and we’re all fucked for generations.

this jew literally wants to destroy your country, don't fall for the bribe money.

>>17065237
>It's renouncing the best choice from a financial perspective?
Yes, yes it is Mutt

>>17065271
B-b-but that only happens in shit countries.

>>17065237 (OP)
>Isn't renouncing the best choice from a financial perspective?
Yes, yes it is Mutt

Bernie's ideas really work, that is why the USSR is the richest nation on Earth

>>17065271
All of the major candidates other than Biden are jewish boomers

>>17065237
>voting
Yikes

>>17065237

You don't sound like you are looking for sincere debate or discourse, as you already made up your mind.

/pol/ / 10

>federal job guarantee is jewish agenda forced labour slavery
>billionaires are not giving you shit. They either scam the system or leave the country
>literally just another politician comfy in his low effort job 50 years and havent done shit
3 digit IQ voting for Yang

>>17065237
THE TIME IS NOW
THE TIME IS NOW
THE TIME IS NOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikgh4JbAWUU

>>17065465
what a bunch of retarded faggots actually believing hes gonna do something real because muh different office while unable to do literally shit last 50 years

>>17065515
>why didn't a state senator fix federal problems

>>17065465
>frontline speech with a fat mcdonalds nigger
>this is actually considered acceptable in freedomland
yeah I'm thinking american zoomers have no chance of making it

>>17065544
Bernie has been a federal senator for decades lol

I'll be real, he can promise everything he wants, but getting policy passed is a whole other thing. Just look at the abomination of health care reform Obama passed in a dem majority. Sanders is also an establishment outsider too ( just look how he was fucked last election), so does he take have the clout to do everything he has promised?

XRP is the ultimate anti-bernie coin

>>17065317
This. We are fucked either way. Take the one that fucks you the least. I'm already paying out the ass for student loans and healthcare, and so long as the fed keeps printing funny money, we lose either way. Bernie is the best choice for gold, silver, and crypto bulls, as well as stock bears. Plan accordinglyb

>>17065262
>hear this about europe
>visit europe
>its like stepping into the first world for the first time
i'm voting bernie faggot

>>17065965
>europe is a country
ahhh americans... never change

Guy has 3 houses but leads the crusade against millionaires...
How's that 95iq treating ya OP?

>>17065957
Socialists like bernie are literally on the payroll of the people running the money system you whine about.

>>17065237
>He fell for the tax the rich meme

Taxes do not just effect the rich, and the proposals that this kike is trying to push through would assblast anybody with a job, with the reward being more bureaucracy dictating your life.

>>17065237
>the government is so corrupt
>so let's give the government more money

America is no longer profitable enough to have nice things like universal healthcare, our real GDP is probably half of what is reported after you take out all of the paper-pushing.

>i'll tax the the shit out of the 1%!!!!
>but jews make up a large portion of that
>uhh I mean
>god damn republicans blocked it sorry everyone
>remember no refunds.

>>17065262
>>17065271
>>17065311
>>17065515
>>17065819
>>17066480
>>17066461
>>17066452

ok boomers

>>17066438
Wow what an argument, compare a guy that has 1 home in state he represents (requried) second home in DC (required) third home inherited from wife's parents to guy that has golf clubs hotels casinos all over the country. very based for sure

>whether it upsets the landlords on this board
there's no one on 4chan who actually does anything that makes money
and if they are it's scamming anons with alt coins

>>17065237
here is the deal with bernie.
his boy seth rich found proof they were throwing bernie under the bus at the dnc.
then this jew seth rich got shot but didnt die.
the 2 spics who shot him drove down to carolinas for their whack job money
and they both got whacked.
under 24 hour after shooting.

meanwhile back at the hospital..
theyre kicking the normie nurse staff team out of the wing and sending in special docs for vip person.. seth rich..
he dies shortly after.

bernie doesnt say shit.
not a word. not 1 fucking word.
and he knows about it.

and here he is again.

if theyre all gonna keep lying and beating around the bush for YEARS..
fuck all of them.

whoever tells the truth will win.
it was seth rich.

>>17065271
>I want to destroy America!
Said absolutely no candidate ever.

>>17066279
Nice reading comprehension

>>17067199
ok nigger

>>17065237
They SAY they will tax the rich, but end up taxing the working and middle class. Many such cases.

>>17065237
>Raises taxes on the wealthy and corporations
>Everybody moves all of their operations and wealth out of the country.
>Country becomes 100x poorer
>b-but muh free healthcare and muh free college.
The absolute state of Bernfags.

>>17065237
>I genuinely don't care if that means amazon makes less profit

Isn't it funny how no one gave a shit about Amazon or Jeff Bezos until he became the world's richest?

$30 billion, $60 billion, it's whatever, but once he crosses $100 billion, suddenly everyone's crowing about Amazon warehouse conditions and Bezos' lack of charity.

REPUBLICANS ARE THE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE PARTY
Nevermind the trillion dollars deficit.
Nevermind that every Republican administration in recent memory drives spending higher.
The tax cuts for the rich, etc., is intentional. Right deficits means an excuse to reduce spending on programs that benefit the people.
Problem is, it's done with a lie about "making America great." To make America great will take investment in the WORKING class. The GDP of this nation is built on the contributions of the individual American worker. Continuing to screw them over will cause the system to collapse.

And you wonder why putting men who ran failed businesses, actually who bankrupted businesses to make themselves rich, put them in charge of running a government and hope they can be trusted to run it any differently than they ran their businesses.

>>17065317
Trump isn't Jewish

Trump saved me over $5,000 on my taxes. I'm voting for him again.

he aint doing shit for the black man. i want god damn reparations, i aint voting for no one. fuck em all.

>>17067845
Please vote.
Read about which candidate(s) have plans to put money and programs into the communities where working people live.
And find out which candidate wants to put money and benefits only into the purses and pockets of the already rich.

If for nothing else, even if you don't think you'll benefit from a change, lend your vote to the other people around you who are suffering under the current regime and need a change to survive.
Those who don't vote this November will be personally responsible for the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer. You can't hide behind "it doesn't affect me" because it certainly does.

>>17065965
Yet you came back home....

>>17067693

its almost as if you don't realize no smart company will move out of the American market and sacrifice billions in infrastructure for a tax break. That's what tariffs are for anyways. Also, fun fact if you want to renounce your citizenship you pay a hefty financial penalty, so the Government gets the money either way because if you don't renounce, you still pay US taxes

Honestly, the United State is too skewed to the right to understand that the policies this guy is suggesting are mostly policies we should have implemented a long time ago and would have actually bolstered the economy a thousand times over again and again.

People have become incredibly cynical and fearful of any sort of actual change in the states ever since 9/11. It really wasn't this bad back in the 90's. I was only a kid then, but I remember people being a lot different to each other. I can only imagine how nice the country must have been to live in during the 1970's when we had total economic dominance. Granted, the Vitetnam war was still ongoing, and sure, people of color or of minority backgrounds didn't have nearly as much social acceptance as they might have today, but shit man, at least you could afford a college education on a minimum wage job. Healthcare didn't cost you a literal arm and a leg to fuckin survive, and people weren't nearly as so serious about alcohol and tobacco restrictions. America's getting fucked right now by neo cons and neo liberals sucking corporate dick. Congress is full of bootlickers who need to be rounded up and hung for treason. democrat or republican doesn't matter. These people need to pay for the pain and misery their inaction has inflicted on the public for more than three decades. Trump was the fire starter, Bernie's the bomb. We need another major disruption in the executive branch to shake the establishment to it's core. Trump may be a whiny bitch sometimes but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if over time he came around to supporting the Bernster.

>>17068518
Based and Berniepilled

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>>17068518

You guys gotta remember these guys both called out the establishment for what it is; a total fucking fraud being run by an economic elite that has systematically fucked all of us over for four decades straight, and it only got worse after the world trade centers went down and we were sucked into two wars that still haven't technically ended and destabilized a whole fucking region of the world that hates us so much you couldn't put in on a graph if you tried.

Fuck the corporations, fuck the middlemen, fuck the SuperPAC's and the congressional employees who willingly take legalized bribes to push corporate agendas.

Let'em sink, drown, and die. Let's fuck them up.

Don't care if you wanna own a business. Don't care if you want it to grow. Just pay people fairly and do others a good turn. That's it. Right wing business owners think Bernie's coming for their property and their livelihood. He's not . He's going after the mainstream media and the fucking corporations. Pay the fuck attention and realize that the elites are doing everything that can to divert attention from the issues he keeps calling them out on. That's what the MSM is there for. Who do you think owns these shitty papers and news outlets like Fox, MSNBC, Washington Post, etc.?

Guys like Jeff fucking Bezo's and Warren Buffet, and other people so fucking rich that they could have ended world hunger ten times over if they really wanted to. But they don't. Because they care more about maintaining their power than freeing humanity. Fuck. Them.

>>17065271
ok boomer

>>17068518

Yeah, we really should have opened the border, racked up an additional ten trillion deficit for the retarded medicare program, and erased the middle class with higher taxes, back in the 90s.

>>17068623

Bernie is the establishment. In his entire career, he has never introduced any senate legislation to back up anything he says. Remember, no refunds for your 2016 donations after he gave them to Hillary

>>17066452
So why shouldn't I profit from it then? Live like an animal instead so that Jews can just print more money for themselves instead? If zoomers wanna fuck themselves out of the job market, let 'em.

>>17068805
>muh deficit
>muh shrinking middle class

If you actually cared about these things you'd realize Trump is as bad on these issues if not worse, calling for a 750b military budget that does so little for our productivity or well-being.

Trump has acknowledged shrinking middle class (wow amazing) but not addressed it in any meaningful way. Stock market doesn't help most working people, headline unemployment rate is meaningless.

You're right on immigration that's about it. Though I don't see Trump very adversarial with Koch brothers who love illegals.

Yeah, destroying American business will surely help you profit

>>17068999
first year of his election he introduced a 200-500$ tax return to the middle class.
wtf are you talking about?
Trump saved the US. If Hillary would have been president, Corona would have been unleashed in the NYC and falseflag it as Iran...

>>17065237
Bernie prioritizes infinite illegals over you. For that reason alone any sort of social sharing system puts you in the top half that has to provide for the bottom half.

If USA would stop spending trillions on Israels wars you would be able to afford wellfare and keep up education so you wouldnt live like niggers

>>17065237
if you're a simp making shit wages, then yeah he might be better for you.

>>17068805

a 10 trillion deficit? You mean the one that Bush re-started by propelling us into another series of endless wars, slashing taxes on the middle class and more importantly the wealthy, causing the increased military spending budget to fall into the negative, practically erasing the budget surplus Bill Clinton's administration left us with before he left office?

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

I'd like to see how making a universal healthcare program a reality would sink this country financially anymore than what going into Iraq and Afghanistan did to us already. I find it ironic that you make the bold claim that installing a government healthcare option or single payer system would somehow bankrupt us financially, as if we hadn't already been doing that since the Reagan administration.

The problem isn't a matter of slightly raising taxes on the middle class, it's a matter of the fact that we as a nation are tacitly admitting that we care more abut profit than we do about allowing people to get the medical care they might desperately need because of a corporate bottom line. Multinational corporations like Apple and Amazon barely pay any federal taxes. The rich are not victims here. The real crime is letting people die because they don't have enough money to afford their medications, or medical operations.

> "Bernie is the establishment. In his entire career, he has never introduced any senate legislation to back up anything he says."

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

Some of Sanders’s most recently sponsored bills include...

S. 3247: A bill to ban the practice of hydraulic fracturing, and for other purposes.
S. 3227: Prevent Future American Sickness Act of 2020
S. 3219: Respect Graduate Student Workers Act
S. 3159: No War Against Iran Act
S. 2876: Green New Deal for Public Housing Act
S. 2849: Tax Excessive CEO Pay Act of 2019
S. 2609: Universal School Meals Program Act of 2019

>>17069138
>Tax Excessive CEO Pay Act
I dont get this meme, we already have higher tax brackets for people making a lot. The only thing I'd want them to do is remove the cap on social security. They stop taxing you 7% for that after about 130k

>>17065237
No, it's absolutely retarded.

>>17068805

He is anything but establishment. What do you mean by establishment? As far I can tell, when I google Bernie Sanders news, the top stories from the MSM are mostly everybody shitting on him. Remember, who controls the Mainstream Media? Are they not private business entities? What's one of the biggest goals of maintaining a business enterprise? Maximizing profits at any and all costs. Consumption of resources.

If the rich own these private media entities, and Bernie Sanders is attacking the rich and the powerful for purposefully evading taxation, spreading misinformation to divide and conquer the american public, destroying the environment, and outright just lying to maintain their power.

What makes you think he is establishment if these entities are deliberately attacking him and pulling ad hominem attacks against him on the daily for shit he wrote or said forty years ago? They're afraid of him. And they should be. Because working people like him, and they feel cheated.

>>17067693
And where would they move to exactly? Don't you faggots always say europe is even worse? Which is it?

>>17069173

Capital is taxed lower than labor. Think about that for a second. Wages haven't even kept up with inflation and we tax them higher than investments lmao what a system

>>17065237
>your expenses will go up to compensate
>he has sold out his voters before, do not accept promises from liars
Just because he might actually have genuine values, unlike his peers, does not mean he is the best fit for the job. Sanders should attempt to stick up for his colleague Tulsi Gabbard and get her into that cnn town hall, otherwise voters must assume he is the same sellout he was in the last primaries.

>>17065237
Hes got my vote. This country needs a moral compass badly these days. He's the only good candidate. The quality of any government or system is only as good as the intentions and morals of the people that make it up. This is why Trump is cancer.

>>17069173

Jeff Bezos net worth is estimated to be around 123.9 BILLION U.S. dollars.

"Per hour, he makes a whopping $8,961,187 million — that's roughly 315 times Amazon's $28,466 median annual worker pay. An Amazon worker earning the $15 minimum wage would need to work about 597,412 hours, or 24 hours a day for about 68 years, just to earn what Bezos makes in one hour."

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=942667

"The CEO pay loophole defies common sense, but Congress thought was doing the right thing when it passed legislation in 1993 that capped the tax deductibility of executive pay at $1 million. But there was a huge loophole — the cap doesn’t apply to “performance-based” pay, which includes stock options. Incentive bonuses were supposed to make CEOs better stewards of shareholders’ money. This theory has proved false, with the 2008 financial crisis being only the most severe example of how huge performance bonuses can encourage risky activities that endanger single companies and the broader economy."

$1 million dollars a year. That's literally all he pays aside from what he decides to hand out to charities or private organizations. It's fucking bullshit dude. People think poor leftists hate the rich because they're rich and successful. No, we fuckin don't. We hate them because they're fucking selfish to the point that people are literally dying because they refuse to take action on things that concern everybody.

I have friends and family who have died because they couldn't afford healthcare. Land of the free. Home of the brave.

Say what you want about the immigration issue, I have my reservations about a no borders legislation, but people dying because they can't afford medical procedures or medications? What the fuck man. What's wrong with you when you're more suddenly concerned with the state's already massive financial budget and thousands of people are suffering needlessly when we can clearly provide the means to help.

>>17069338
In what way is Trump immoral? (he isn't)

>>17069198

He has the exact same retarded policies as all the other Democrat candidates. Warren, Steyer, and buttgay, all just blatantly copy him. He's the progenitor of the economically illiterate and social issues only neoliberal party.

He's also a non viable candidate that everyone hates. He couldn't even beat Hillary in the primaries. They have to shit on him as hard as possible so that he doesn't somehow get meme'd in like Trump when the rest of the Democrat candidates either cannibalize or cuck each other alive

>>17067807
Could have fooled me the way he sucks Israeli cock on national television.

>>17069138

All of these are ridiculous bills that were all done recently, and probably to combat the criticism that he hasn't done anything in his entire career.

Make sure you donate to Bernie, he needs another mansion for when he inevitably supports Biden as the candidate

Why would som3one vote for that goblin, hes a fucking jew goddamit

>>17067807

>>17069382

> "He has the exact same retarded policies as all the other Democrat candidates."

Oh, really? Which ones?

> "Warren, Steyer, ... all just blatantly copy him."

I thought he had the same exact policies as the other candidates? You claim they are copying him. That much is true. They are trying to pander to the actual left to save face, but this remark you made is in an illogical order; in order for Sanders to have the same exact policies as the other candidates, wouldn't they have had to have created these policies (also, we don't know what these policies are because you never mentioned any) first? You claim they are copying him don't you? So who's copying who? Logical fallacy.

> "He's the progenitor of the economically illiterate"

And in what world do you think that the masses have a consistent and thorough understanding of all the principles of economic and labor theory? You keep generalizing.

> "He's also a non-viable candidate that everyone hates."

Again, generalizing. No factual evidence to backup one single claim of yours. Who's everyone? Because last time I checked, thousands of people have been attending his rallies and have been petitioning for him to get him on state ballots and draw working and middle class support.

> "He couldn't even beat Hillary in the primaries."

And why was that? Remember the DNC bias against him? The leaked memo's where they talked about deliberately limiting his chances of success? It's arguable although not for certain that he could have beaten Hillary in the primaries had the MSM not done everything they could to undermine his legitimacy as a man of working people. They pushed Clinton because she is establishment. They realize that she's a centrist and she wouldn't challenge them or their authority. Bernie challenged that and he still does.

> "they have to shit on him as hard as possible to..."

To stop him. Right. Because he's going to hold them accountable.

>>17069562
Bernie thinks white people don't know what it is like to live in poverty, yet has been to russia and seen the conditions there. Maybe he meant american white poor, but the majority net population in USA is white.


Cannot trust. He either was using white people to try and score points with brown people, or he is totally ignorant of the financial conditions of the white voters he spent 2016 pretending to support. Combine that with his promise to give all the new shitskin invaders and anchorbabies free college and healthcare, and all he represents to me, a working poor person is greater employment competition and higher taxes and, worst of all, the fact is his policies are useless without a likely never-going-to-happen quorum to help him enact them.

Yang was the only Dem I'd consider voting for.

>get $1k Freedum Dividend
>invest all of it into dividend stocks
>get dividends with my dividend
>stimulate the economy by providing liquidity to businesses
>now I am the bailout

>>17069611
>>get $1k Freedum Dividend
>>invest all of it into dividend stocks
>>get dividends with my dividend
>>stimulate the economy by providing liquidity to businesses
>>now I am the bailout
>>Massive inflation and $2000 a month higher average rent erase all gains.

>>17069504
Based

Bernie is literally a communist kike, these shills need to fuck off

Bernie is a millionaire so is his entire family, thanks to capitalism
Bernouts never cease to amaze fucking bottom barrel IQ nigger kikes from plebbit
Cooper predicted these faggots decades ago

https://youtu.be/ui-Jbaw8rZc

no refunds idiots

>>17065965
Those western European countries aren't 50 percent black and Hispanic.

>>17068060
It is next to impossible for white people to immigrate anywhere. Look into it.

t - world traveler

>>17069611
Vote yourself into dependency and slavery for 1k a month
Fuck off chicom gook

>>17069642
Which btw Bernie is never going to change but actually make worse. He is completely open borders. Why does open borders have to be mutually inclusive with free healthcare? Why does more funding for schools still include globalism as a package deal? When the Danish got free heathcare it didn't come with mass illegal immigration. Why is disarmament part of Bernie's agenda? I can't just get screwing the billionaires, it always has to come with some kind of assfuck ontop of it. Bernie won't change shit

>>17069668
Free 1k a month with purchase of endless globalization and white Christian alienation

>>17069620
>>17069668
>It's only OK when you give the public money directly to the corporations and banks

ok

>>17069608

> "Bernie thinks white people don't know what it is like to live in poverty, yet has been to Russia and seen the conditions there."

I think he actually did say something like that during the 2016 campaign trail. And it pissed me off. But he later apologized about the remark from what I remember.

I've been to a couple of his rallies and the speakers ranged everywhere from LGBTQ folk, to african american men and women, and believe it or not, several white working class people.

The second rally I went to, there was an Feminist speaker present, and most of her speech was directed at whites and the white working class. I wouldn't have thrown my support behind Bernie this time around if the speakers present at the rally excluded the working class whites.

You're right to be upset with the left, because they have alienated us working class whites over the past decade or so for the sake of pushing minority rights issues over alleviating poverty and so on and so forth; but speaking from personal experience this time around, they're starting to give a shit.

The point is to look out for each other and hold the fucking people running this country accountable. The enemy isn't your black neighbors or the immigrant family down the street, it's the corporation and the greedy bootlicking fucks in congress who sold us out for a couple of new yachts.

Sure, Bernie's a rich Jew. But again, he's not completely anti capitalist. He supports a more ethical and fairer playing field for the majority. There's nothing wrong with that.

Do your fucking research, stop paying any attention the the MSM for political guidance, and read political theory. You don't have to like the Jew, but the sooner you choose to wake up and think for yourself, the happier you will be.

>>17069562
>Oh, really? Which ones?
The ones that are dangerous: partisan dialect, open borders, socialist programs funded by tax payers, rewarding students for taking out 100k to study sociology. The intent is permissable compared to others in the party but the precedent and consequences are more important.
>You claim they are copying him don't you? So who's copying who? Logical fallacy.
You were replying to a retard, you didnt need to answer this and it hurt your argument.
>And in what world do you think that the masses have a consistent and thorough understanding of all the principles of economic and labor theory?
A financially stable world. This comes across like you are arguing that civillian economic illiteracy means that economic leaders are not to be scrutinized. I dont think Sanders would even agree with you on this and i dont believe you meant it.
>Because last time I checked, thousands of people have been attending his rallies and have been petitioning for him to get him on state ballots and draw working and middle class support.
This is anecdotal and you had the opportunity to provide stats. Are his supporters influencers? The last guy to canvas in my neighborhood was quite possibly unable to read, was fat, and smelled like shit...anecdotally.
> They pushed Clinton because she is establishment. They realize that she's a centrist and she wouldn't challenge them or their authority. Bernie challenged that and he still does.
Until he fights to get Tulsi into the townhall, he is complicit and controlled. Please acknowledge/refute this if responding. Anyone supporting him in the previous primaries should be demanding this.
>To stop him. Right. Because he's going to hold them accountable.
He's not the DNC's favorite but even if he became so, theres no benefit in giving up said ruse.

>>17069746
Dude.

I am 100% done with anti-white racists. I am not a white identitarian, but I do not appreciate the democrats reviving racism. Bernie is 100% complicit in it at this point.

He is also open borders. Open borders, anti-white. I would have voted for him in 2016. Now we know his true colors. Save the response unless you think it will convince others - you seriously just reaffirmed my position - it wasnt even close to convincing me to change.

If you want to change someone's mind, write to Bernie and tell him how hard being anti-white and open borders is making it to convince working class whites to support him.

>>17069746
>The enemy isn't your black neighbors or the immigrant family down the street,

Oh they aren't? I wonder if they feel the same way. Do they believe in freedom of speech, freedom of association?

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>>17069746

>Oh they aren't? I wonder if they feel the same way. Do they believe in freedom of speech, freedom of association?
Good questions! Let me add:

Do they feel ownership over the community generations of their family helped build?

Are they concerned about the property tax rates to support education costs of children whose parents never contributed to the tax base?

Are they here to stay, or will they return home when they feel they have exploited us enough?

Do they remember the 'way it was', before the internet started turning USA openly dystopian, or are they just here for economic reasons, and will abuse our social systems?

Did they have kids out of wedlock and then not marry specifically to get gibs? Are they refusing to get jobs because the gibs are more?

Will they ever fucking learn english, or are they here to exploit welfare systems within communities of like minded people? Sharing kids and homes among shell families that only appear when the welfare office wants them?

>>17069869
They tore down all of our historical monuments and buried our culture but at least I have muh free healthcare ;)

Funny whenever I say this leftists will accuse me of being some bootlicker when I literally don't give a shit about taxing the rich. I really don't even give a shit about high taxes or whatever in general because I'm poor. However what I do give a shit about as a poor person is having access to safe neighborhoods which are increasingly becoming harder to come by here in New England thanks to all of the mass migration from the Dominican republic and the heroin trafficking that came with it.

>>17069896
If Bernie kept all of his economic policies and acted on a platform of stopping the globalist policies that lead to pandemics like the coronavirus and the opioid addiction I would support him, but because he doesn't I get called some bootlicker or temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Fuck this kike faggot.

>>17069914
>If Bernie kept all of his economic policies and acted on a platform of stopping the globalist policies
Well yeah, that is why he had broad support in 2016. Those were his stated goals. He was saying stuff democrats havent said about immigration since the early 90s. He was lying then, and this time he has gone with a more stock-issue DNC set of talking points. Presumably they may support him through the primary this time - especially if they do not think he can win! DNC is LOVING this shitshow, but hate bernie.

>>17069810

"I do not appreciate the democrats reviving racism."

It was never dead to begin with dude. It's alive and well in the banking and and business loans sector of the economy. Blacks and latinos get denied business loans at a far higher rate than whites do, even if their credit scores are the same. Blacks have a higher chance of suffering arrest or injury when confronted by law enforcement, and they consistently get stopped more often than whites. I'm going to go further into statistics because then we'll be going down the rabbit hole but you get my point.

I'm not the biggest fan of the open borders policy either but locking little kids up in cages is fucking insane. ICE camps were literally separating children from their parents, and there were reports of sexual assaults against several kids. Like what the fuck man? What's more important? Our fear of people we don't know or the well being of the future of this planet and possibly our country? It's borderline fascist scapegoating.

Can you give me some examples of policies or remarks from Democratic or actual left wing politicians who have come out and blatantly said or supported legislation that hurt white working folks? There's a difference between stripping whites from their historical economic and social privileges in this country, and blatantly fucking them in the ass simply just because.

I'm all ears man. Trust me, I used to feel slighted by the leftist community for a long time. There are some that tend to attack whites for simply existing but usually it's because historically speaking, those of color and of unorthodox religious or heterosexual backgrounds, have been constantly marginalized, stepped on, and forcibly oppressed. Racism didn't magically disappear once the civil rights act was put into place. It's more subtle now, I think.

I get why you might resent him and left wingers, because you feel like you've been left out of the broader political conversation, and that's true. We have been.

>>17065237
Bernie is going to do a few things for me:

>1. Erase my student loan debt and transform me into an attorney with a positive net worth
>2. Send crypto to the moon
>3. Give everyone free health care so everyone can get psychiatric counseling so my clients will be less irrational and more mentally available
>4. Have Andrew Yang as his VP and implement the freedom dividend
>5. Institute national rent control and help my clients and therefore help my job become easier
>6. Laugh at number 4 despite it being the best idea I’ve had all day save for buying more Tezos

>>17069963
>It was never dead to begin with dude. It's alive and well in the banking and and business loans sector of the economy.
I didnt read your gibbreish because your opening position was so misguided.

It isnt racist to not lend money to people who will never repay.

It isnt racist to separate criminals from their children when you have to process them for their crimes.

It IS racist to flood USA with fucking immigrants though. I fully support the black community and think democrats have done them enough harm as it is. Immigration hurts them just as much as it hurts white workers. Black americans and white americans have many more shared issues than illegal immigrants and black americans. Dont try and conflate the two - that is the revival of racism I was talking about.

Democrats are 100% racist.

>>17065262

Dude come on, you’re literally parroting the talking points billionaires feed to the blebs so that they can keep fucking us. America just needs some basic shit like health care and then we can all vote conservative again.

>>17070057
BASED

>>17065965
Get fucked shareblue

>>17067199
Get FUCKED KIKE YOUR KIND WONT SURVIVE THE DECADE
>>17067789
GET FUCKED SHAREBLUE

Here is my take on the election:

Everyone on the DNC side with exception to Bernie is the status quo. They are in the race to make sure Bernie loses at all costs.

Isreal hates bernie. The MSM hates bernie. The rich folks rigging the game against everyone else hates Bernie. The trump idiots hate Bernie. The old stupid brainwashed people hate Bernie. The polluting companies hate Bernie.
>the people who hate him are pieces of shit

His Policies:
Publicly funded healthcare. If you are against this you are a fucking idiot. The US Healthcare System is a self made disaster by greedy corrupted people nothing more.
Anti War: He was the only one to vote AGAINST the wars. The wars were an obvious catastrophe and had a deep negative impact on all parties involved.
Wants to clean up the MSM: If you are against this you are a brainwashed idiot.
Wants to clean up the political system: If you are against this you are a brainwashed piece of shit.
Reduce cost of education: If you are against this you are a piece of shit.
Wants everyone to have a fair playing field regardless of race/gender/etc: If you are against this you are a piece of shit

Sure like either side of the aisle you will have idiots that back you. Its all about track record and intentions. You cannot argue with his track record, his intentions, or the fact every piece of human shit hates him.
Thats what makes him the best candidate. If Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, The Koch Brothers, Trump, AIPAC, Israel, the MSM, and your parents hate him then hes probably the best candidate in the history of the US

>>17070015
WE ARE GOING TO FIND YOU TRAITORS AND PUT BULLETS IN YOUR CHILDRENS’ HEADS, THEN WE WILL KILL YOU

>>17070136
FUCK OFF YOU GOD DAMNED COMMIE KIKE. You parasitic semites think you are invisible here

>>17070015
None of this will happen

>1. Erase my student loan debt and transform me into an attorney with a positive net worth
This is at best election year pandering. Be real. Also you have a law degree? PAY YOUR FUCKING LOAN. I paid mine and it took 15 years you fucking deadbeat, and I am a commercial artist. Fuck you.

>2. Send crypto to the moon
Why would that happen?

>3. Give everyone free health care so everyone can get psychiatric counseling so my clients will be less irrational and more mentally available
How can we have free healthcare when he is going to open the borders? How do we get student loan forgiveness when he for open borders? How does a welfare state with open borders operate? I mean really? Do you know how little power the president has to make these sorts of sweeping changes? Also, remember when Obama promised it and then didnt even try?

>4. Have Andrew Yang as his VP and implement the freedom dividend
$1000 higher rent/mo for 1 bedrooms, $2000 higher rent/mo for all other units. Inflation rising to 15% a year until the "free" money is equalized into the fiat usury system.

>5. Institute national rent control and help my clients and therefore help my job become easier
Imagine the constitutional and other legal challenges to this. How do you expect a weak old man with no hard-won national political coalition behind him to do something like that which harms basically all politicians (practically all politicians own rental properties)

>6. Laugh at number 4 despite it being the best idea I’ve had all day save for buying more Tezos
It might be the best idea, but if you watch recent trends you will see that in the past the VP is usually some neocon\neolib establishment asshole. Like Cheney, Pence, Biden, etc.

Lol. You actually believe any of that? You are as dumb as the Trump supporters who thought he would close the border or build a wall!

>>17069869

> "Do they feel ownership over the community that generations of their family helped build?"

I don't know. Have you tried asking them? Maybe some of them do feel a sense of community in some parts of american ghettos. That's why they create fucking gangs when social ties might be splitting or are weak. It's almost as if though that centuries of racist policies and blatant oppression created these neighborhoods and the negative mentalities that come with it.

> "Are they concerned about the property tax rates to support education costs of children whose parents never contributed to the tax base?"

I think I asked you earlier who or what you think is more important here; the education of a child who cannot be held responsible for the mistakes of its parents, or the american tax payer? We're not talking about just one child, we're talking about several thousands. Say what you want about the parents, but the kids did no wrong. I support footing the fucking bill for the kids.

> "Are they here to stay, or will they return home when they have exploited us enough?"

Who does the most exploiting of the american tax payer? Is it the migrants trying to come here legally who can''t because of an outdated and inefficient immigration policy, or is it the predatory multinational corporations who pay hardly any federal taxes and get away with literal murder? Look up the numbers. The data backs up the notion that unrestrained corporations are a bigger drain on us than people trying to come here to pursue what is told to them as a chance at a better life.

> "Do they remember the 'way it was,' before the internet started turning the U.S openly dystopian...?"

They probably do, because we all share the same material reality. Everyone's experience will be different. The internet didn't turn the states dystopian. Poor economic and foreign policy did that. Everything we say and do electronically is practically monitored now bro. It's a 1984 carbon copy.

>>17070149
>AIPAC, The Jewish Community, Isreal, Netanyahu, Bloomberg, and all people and organizations supporting Jews are spending billions to make sure he gets defeated

>and you think they secretly want him to win?

Explain yourself or take your meds

>>17069963
Unlimited low/no skill migration really only hurts the poor. The poor are more often minorities then they should be. You tell me if thats racist or not.

You know the best way to keep from being sexually assaulted in an ICE camp? Never be in one.

Ps since you like data and stats what percentage of murders in this country are committed by black males and what does this look like on a per capita basis?

>>17069963
>Blacks and latinos get denied business loans at a far higher rate than whites do, even if their credit scores are the same

Citation needed

Also, giving loans out to lease spinning rims isn't discrimination

>>17070136
>if you don't like communism you're an idiot
XD

>>17065237
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>>17070178
>the american tax payer?
The american tax payer for sure man. That child should be flown home at it's origin countries expense, if they want to keep trading with us. HELLLO. Of course the american tax payer (me and my family) are more important than a illegal alien's children.

LOL.

Facts of life son:
This world is competitive. It is a life or death struggle for survival, shelter, and to ensure those first two, supremacy. Not racial supremacy. Cultural and familial supremacy - over the competition.

Google dysgenics. Your lack of morality and ethics make me sick. It is no wonder the world is in this state with people like you around.

If you want to address a real and serious inequity in our own society, culture and community, work on the problem of pic related.

>>17070178
Dont waste your time, you wont convince a blind racist of anything. To become a racist you have to lack empathy which automatically makes you a low IQ loser. People who are truly racist are generally uneducated, uncultured, and poor needing to blame someone for their failures. Or they are rich trust fund faggots that never earned a dime and know they cant succeed without a crutch. The idea of having to compete in a free market with people actually hungry to succeed is a frightening thought

>>17070158
>Trump supporters who thought he would close the border or build a wall!

You are correct, but not for the right reason. Trump has tried multiple times and even used executive orders. He has literally done every single thing within the powers of his office to push for the majority of his campaign promises. Everything being stopped is the result of the house and senate Democrats and Republicans. Saying Trump isn't keeping his promises is disingenuous.

>>17070241
Democrats are racists.

>>17070139
>Implying

>>17070158
The first one can happen with executive only action lmao.

The whole UBI argument based on the freedom dividend math has been explained to you more times than I bet I can count on ten fingers and three toes. You understand that the VAT and general tax on legalized marijuana is enough to cover UBI and it wouldn’t be free money and therefore wouldn’t create conditions for inflationary market reactions.
Landlords are parasites and more legislation to cut their balls off doesn’t make me lose an ounce of sleep. Rent seeking behavior is abhorrent and diabolical.

>>17070241

>I'm just going to call him a racist instead of refuting anything

>>17070250
>Saying Trump isn't keeping his promises is disingenuous.
I disagree. Pic related

>>17070228
>Your lack of morality and ethics make me sick. It is no wonder the world is in this state with people like you around
Hypocritical as fuck lmao, nigga you have no sense of morality or ethics. Dont confuse ideology bred out of hatred for morality!

>>17070277
>Hypocritical as fuck lmao, nigga you have no sense of morality or ethics. Dont confuse ideology bred out of hatred for morality!
Self preservation isnt hatred of the invader. It is self preservation.

Pic related is you.

>>17070149
What an idiotic schizo
>>17070182
This

>>17070251
I dont disagree. They establishment is racist in general. Not always publicly facing but their actions are clearly not in favor of a fair playing field. Personally I dont care for most of other peoples stereotypical cultural shit but im never against a fair playing field. I wouldnt want to win in life rigging the game in my favor. I think people who prefer that shit are weak faggots who need to be exactly where they deserve to be

>>17065237

it makes healthcare cheaper for the non-rich guy. you're saddled with healthcare costs when an accident happens

>>17065548
They really don't stand a chance, but its not their fault. They are just so far removed from white society of the 20th century now that they have no frame of reference or template of how societies can actually function. We all get to watch the end unfold in real time.

>>17070295
>I wouldnt want to win in life rigging the game in my favor.
Everyone who paid their school loan off themselves or competes against immigrant labor considers Bernie the opposite of "level playing field".


The more immigrants come in, the more left wing votes for DNC\RNC usury-fiat slavery war-machine. I get it. Keep shilling for the establishment weirdo.

>>17070201
>if you don't like communism you're an idiot

Nice strawman argument. You have apparently dont have a fucking clue what communism is. Better get back to Fox News they probably havent filled the rest of your head with rambling talking points yet

god damn these economics illiterate threads

>>17070291
Attempting to strawman won't win you any points, and you are far off the mark.
Gonna keep digging into your pol image folder to support your nonsense arguments?
Self preservation and morality don't fit together and you cant just dismiss the immoral and unethical acts to come from self preservation.

>>17070228

I don't think I would be lacking morality or an understanding of basic ethical practices if I would be suggesting that maybe footing the bill for those who can't support themselves (in this case, an immigrant families child, separated from their parents) is more important than a balanced budget. Human life is far more valuable than money to me. Maybe not to you. Can't you see the holes in your logic? The system is designed to protect itself. Not the majority, not the weak, or the vulnerable. It's designed to protect those with the most capital. It's a pure top down system that is way out of control and we need to reign it in.

I understand why you would put your child and your family before that of a total strangers kid, but what I'm saying is that maybe we don't have to do that. Maybe the world doesn't have to be a fucking constant life or death struggle or conquest for power as you suggested. And to me, Bernie represents that desire for a better and fairer world.

Sorry I couldn't convince you to reconsider some of your beliefs. But I wish you all the best regardless...boomer ;)

>>17070313
Is ol' Zyklon Ben too boomer to realize that the "edits" of his work are actually closer to the truth than whatever he's currently peddling?

>>17066438
>crusade against millionaires...

Billionaires*

There's nothing in his platform even if executed fully with no compromise that would prevent anyone becoming a millionaire.

I think half his policies are dumb as shit but evidently so are you...

>>17065262
Literally opposite. Berne's economics is the most sustainable of all. Yang would be good in theory in the future too, but it is still too soon for basic income.

>>17070260
>The first one can happen with executive only action lmao.
There will be endless lawsuits. Heck - they might even pull a scheme where bernie "tries" to get his deal, just like trump is "trying" to get the wall. LOL.

People repeat rich people's talking points about how much social liberals are going to ruin the economy, but act like the government doesn't already spend billions on military, subsidizing agriculture, and bailing out banks. How about decreasinig some of that military spending to fund healthcare?

>>17070313
Ah so people who were forced to pay high interest school loans are going to be upset that people after them wont be as ass raped?
OH NO YOU MUST PROTECT THEIR FEE FEES

>>17070333
Excessive altruism is immoral and unethical. Especially when it is being done in a 2-faced way for personal gain on one hand, and victimizing those you are claiming to represent.

>>17070313
Do you think we bring immigrants here for fun you fucking braindead idiot? Immigrants are allowed in to fill jobs and grow. Immigrants turn into citizens and pay taxes. Dumb immigrants work in fields doing jobs nobody else will do. Smart immigrants fill roles in tech companies that cant be filled because we slash education spending to pay for corrupt governance.
Are you a fucking landscaper about to lose your job or are you just fucking stupid.
INB4 you make a strawman arguement about an immigrant that was a criminal.

>>17065237
I'm 99% sure this guy was a communist sympathizer during the cold war

>>17070370
>excessive
Define excessive? Look mate we get it you have a fucked up sense of what morality is. Stop getting it confused with whatever fotm ideology you've hopped onto.

>>17070371
>Do you think we bring immigrants here for fun you fucking braindead idiot? Immigrants are allowed in to fill jobs and grow.
They are here to destroy working class america (black and white alike).

See this is the problem. The dems and their financial backers have said repeatedly and openly what they plan to do, and why. It isnt a secret what and why they are doing. LOL. the gop is also 100% complicit. It takes both sides to destroy the 30 best countries in the world with low quality immigrant and anti-natalist policies.

People are just too cowardly to admit it in public. yet. Most people also don't know we have over a million immigrants a year arriving legally, plus another million or so illegally. Citizens are learning the numbers though and will eventually rebel. This IS how trump got elected and how Bernie built the reputation he is still running on even though his statements, like those publishing things like pic related, have given the game away.

>>17070333
What do you think will happen if we create a really strong and robust welfare state/safety net/redistribution/whatever you want to call it and then we open the borders to anyone and everyone? Theres a study that suggests a billion unskilled africans would come to the US. Do you think that would total the US economy/society/country? We’ve abolished ICE and borders btw, its a fairer world now so we don’t turn anyone away.

>>17070370


How is it immoral and unethical? Explain. You could convince me to reconsider some of my points of view. I have some ideas but I want to hear it from the guy making the claims.

>>17070396
Pic related is excessive altruism.

>/biz/ 1913 edition
>Rich people are so greedy
>We should have rich people pay an income tax
>It will just be a couple percent and only affect the top 1%
>The rest of us can keep paying zero
>I trust the government to not expand the tax base to the middle class or involve us in disasterous foreign wars.

The amount of rubes in this thread that think the government is on there side, is hilarious.

>>17070410
Perfectly said anon

>>17070333
What Bernie represents is a tearing down of the financial and media elite that control society.
Altright incels are somehow opposed to this ((ONLY)) because he had support from some twitter lefties and the identity politics social engineering mega machine of the internet has brain fucked the poltards so hard they make decisions based on tribalism and rage rather than intelligence.

>>17070420
>How is it immoral and unethical?
If you destroy yourself to help others, it means you cannot help anyone else, or yourself.

Simple stuff, and these are not my ideas. Go read some philosophy\psycvhology.


https://psychcentral.com/blog/too-much-of-a-selfless-good-thing-pathological-altruism/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism/

The real issue though is that the mass immigration is counter-productive to the supposed stated aims of most leftists. It is bringing in a racial underclass expected to do menial jobs for below market pay. This could not be more racist.

>>17070420
>How is it immoral and unethical? Explain.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3690610/

>>17070410

You honestly believe that immigrants are coming here en masse, illegally, just to put you and your friends out of mostly low skilled low paying labor jobs, and somehow these people are sucking the economy dry? Where the fuck do you think the money they get paid with goes? Up their ass? No. It goes back into the economy man. It goes towards food, towards housing, their kids, medical expenses. It doesn't magically just turn into a fucking heroin needle in every Guatemalan landscapers arm. These people have lives, dreams, and goals too. You need to think of all the different possible reasons as to why they might be choosing to come here illegally instead of legally.

Our social welfare system hardly fucking works. How impoverished do you think these foreign countries could be in the second decade of the 21st century?

>>17070481
Oh shut up retard. FFS. The immigrants are self interested. Yes. Obviously. I am sick of you using these emotional arguments when I am providing some arguments you cannot just argue away with the wordy equivelant of 'nuh uhh, they goood boys'.

>>17070424
Still unable to prove how that is immoral and unethical?
Unless you think 2nd generation irish immigrants are somehow worth more as human souls over immigrants from chile? In which case that is definetly immoral and unethical.

>>17065237
I'm voting for him out of spite. I'm sick of senile boomers calling him a "socialist." I don't care if even he mistakes social democracy with "democratic socialism." He's literally not a socialist. He's a social democrat.

>>17070481
Every person you bring here balloons the carbon emissions! Plus, look at the chart I linked here. LOOK AT IT.

>>17070352

>>17070452
I read philosophy, thats how I know the meanings of the word.
You on the other hand seem to be very confused and are trying to force the terms the fit in your retarded kike engineered ideology.

>>17070520
Pathological altruism can be conceived as behavior in which attempts to promote the welfare of another, or others, results instead in harm that an external observer would conclude was reasonably foreseeable. More precisely, this paper defines pathological altruism as an observable behavior or personal tendency in which the explicit or implicit subjective motivation is intentionally to promote the welfare of another, but instead of overall beneficial outcomes the altruism instead has unreasonable (from the relative perspective of an outside observer) negative consequences to the other or even to the self. This definition does not suggest that there are absolutes but instead suggests that, within a particular context, pathological altruism is the situation in which intended outcomes and actual outcomes (within the framework of how the relative values of “negative” and “positive” are conceptualized), do not mesh.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3690610/

You people are ignorant of what morality and ethics are. Hint: it isnt what you think is right. It is based on logic and reason.

>>17065237
Voting is a waste of time and energy, and on a larger scale, getting emotionally invested in the political media circus is an even bigger waste of your resources. These things are designed to suck energy out of you, whether you are for or against whatever candidate, and use your energy to carry on the momentum of the circus for the benefits of those who profit off of it (NOT YOU!)
The only way you can profit from such a thing is betting/gambling, but that's not a wise use of your finances, so I recommend you only allocate a small entertainment budget to that if you choose to make bets.

>>17070452

> "If you destroy yourself to help others, it means you cannot help anyone else, or yourself."

I had a feeling this is where your argument was going. But what makes that behavior you just described unethical or immoral? It sounds like it's more of a choice. Only you get to decide just how far you are willing to go to help other people, assuming your environment and the prerequisite conditions allow it. I don't see how by you and me supporting a system in which an immigrant child can be granted citizenship and allowed to attend school if their parents cannot afford to take care of them, is immoral or unethical in anyway. That's why it's called a social welfare program. So that one day if you or someone you love or know falls flat on their face because they got laid off or experienced unexpected hardship, we all agreed beforehand to pay into a social welfare system via our taxes to help each other when we're down and out or at a disadvantage. I just can't understand how you're failing to get this.

>>17070541
>I read philosophy, thats how I know the meanings of the word.
If you knew even the most basic vocabulary of western philosophy (the greeks) you would know about the immorality of excessive altruism. Dummy.

>>17070444
THIS

You will not convince the stupid people on this board of anything today. They are poor, angry, and need a scapegoat. Its literally that simple. The RNC and DNC are a joke, anyone saying otherwise is a fucking idiot or a paid supporter.

>>17070563
>But what makes that behavior you just described unethical or immoral?

it means you cannot help anyone else, or yourself.

>>17070563
You can donate to charity or adopt a third world child. Leave me out of it. It's hard enough to afford your own children in the modern west.

>>17070444
You dunce open borders and unlimited immigration is the Goldman Sachs official position

>>17070512
Ah yes all immigrants are rapists amd terrorists trying to force their way in from mexico. Your mutt irish grandparents were once hated by white americans.

>>17070534
Notice the tactic of posting unrelated photos with every post? Typical of a jewish agent trying to radicalize anons and destory actual discussion in favor of mindless dismissal.

So how afraid are your kike banking overlords of Bernie getting elected? They cant kick him out for Hillary this time.

>>17070567
>They are poor, angry, and need a scapegoat.
Bernie is on record scapegoating white people.

Sigh. It is all so tiresome.

>>17070592
The stats are pretty clear man. I don't like it either.

>>17070572

Right. and when people cannot do that for themselves, especially if we know them...we do what anon? It's start with an H.

>>17070158
>How can we have free healthcare when he is going to open the borders?
We run bazillion dollar deficits, same as we do now. Except this time the money goes to hardworking people of color instead of Mackenzie Bezos.

>>17070592
>Notice the tactic of posting unrelated photos with every post? Typical of a jewish agent
They are very related. Don't be so stodgy.

>>17066279
where did he say country you retard

>>17070547
You are trying to use one extreme to disprove the meanings of morality and ethics. It doesnt work like that.
Morality and ethics are defined by religion, not "logic". Keep trying.

>>17070572
Again, assuming it is a law of nature that one is unable to support themselves by supporting someone else. Your brain is actually fucked.
Stop reaching as far as you can for some doomsday scenario where a billion people flood the system within 6 months. Thats the only way your argument holds uo.

Just admit you misused the terms and you can stop with tbe mental gynnastics.

>>17070603
Hispanics are just as victimized by other races as whites are by the Hispanics. Difference of like 40k

>>17070611
>Right. and when people cannot do that for themselves, especially if we know them...we do what anon? It's start with an H.

The real issue though is that the mass immigration is counter-productive to the supposed stated aims of most leftists. It is bringing in a racial underclass expected to do menial jobs for below market pay. This could not be more racist, or work more to the bankers and labor exploiters favor.

What dont you understand about pic related at: >>17070352
From a workers point of view, that certainly defines immigrant advocates as 'excessively altruistic', when the real stated goals of the ruling class are destroying our labor value. And this is in a west where labor values steadily fell with the loss of unions. Dont pretend bernie is pro union. He had 40 years of public service to form a political coalition and address these issues. 40 years.

>>17070657
>Hispanics are just as victimized by other races as whites are by the Hispanics. Difference of like 40k
There is millions of illegal hispanics here victimizing every single real american of any race, though I am mostly worried about those of us who were here before the illegal immigration really hit critical mass. Anchor babies and their parents need to go home. They need to work on improving their own countries.

>>17070642

He has a typing style of a boomer. He's either a low skilled laborer in the trades, or an older sod who just let the cynicism eat him alive if I had to guess. Poor bloke actually believes that by setting up and supporting a system designed to help each member of society if they are down on their luck is somehow immoral if they can't or don't want to personally pay for it, even though they too would benefit from it. Shit man. With that fuckin logic, I guess it was really immoral of my fuckin mother to try and seek medical care when she got diagnosed with cancer and couldn't afford to see doctors regularly or pay for chemo. Christ. I hope he opens his eyes someday.

>>17070674
Lefties want UBI, you are making arguments that dont exist.
Not being able to afford a new truck every 2 years isnt excessive altruism. Excessive altruism would result in massive food shortages for example..
>>17070717
How it possible to improve their own countries when the US is destroying them, be it through financial means or the use of hired guns.

>>17070642
>You are trying to use one extreme to disprove the meanings of morality and ethics. It doesnt work like that.
>Morality and ethics are defined by religion, not "logic". Keep trying.
I find the statements in the image at:

>>17070352

to be quite extreme from the point of view of a working poor citizen.

>>17070674
Looking at this image again, what do yoi think it represents? The correleation between union and income isnt significant.

>>17070762
Again, not being able to afford a new f150 every two years as a result of immigration doesnt make the act of altruism immoral or unethical. That is a horribly long stretch you are attempting to make and no in in their right mind (read, someone who isnt trying to defend their poster ID pride) would support such a claim.

>>17070742
>setting up and supporting a system designed to
Completely disenfranchise working class people while ethnically replacing them.

>>17070796
>Again, not being able to afford a new f150 every two years as a result of immigration doesnt make the act of altruism immoral or unethical. That is a horribly long stretch you are attempting to make and no in in their right mind (read, someone who isnt trying to defend their poster ID pride) would support such a claim.
YHou are such an idiot. I am a former leftist. I spent months in the streets with OWS. My current stance is the same one I had in highschool when the democrats were the pro-union party. I am pro-worker. Do you not get that?

Look at pic related: >>17070352


Why would any worker tolerate even a single politician pushing any aspect of open borders after reading that? Dispicable DNC hypocrite war mongers.

>>17065237
>Takes money from billionaires/millionaires to pay for my expenses
Anon....I..... You do realize that you're going to be taxed as bad (if not worst) that any billionaire under commandant sanders right?

>>17070806
Mr Shekelstein should stop relying on patrons to tip employees into a living wage then?
Assuming a change in one variable (immigration), without also changing others (the increasing middle-high class wagegap, which grows apart regardless of immigration) is just silly.
Again, youve been unable to prove how people are "completley disenfranchised".

>>17070855
Look at pic at: >>17070352

>>17070806

I'm talking about the universal healthcare system. You're resorting to generalizing again.You're assuming that white working class people are the only ones because fucked by this shit system. That's not true. Maybe white working class people should fuck more often if they're that concerned about being "ethnically replaced."

I mean shit, wouldn't you want to be ethnically replaced if you were white and working class? That means you're moving up right? Or where are they going? The white "race" is beginning to shrink in size? Wow, who knew that people of different ethnicity and backgrounds would want to fuck and reproduce with people of other ethnicity's from their own. It's almost as if though that people are beginning to realize that color of skin or race doesn't matter when choosing a partner. It's almost as if though what matters is how they treat one another and if they feel their desires are being met. I'm done man. Clearly I can't convince you otherwise. Good luck to you regardless.

>>17070829
So in 2028 there will be a 0.6% deviation from baseline income for white people due to immigration? The difference between migration and non migration is only like 0.1% deviation from baseline btw.

>>17070887
>I'm talking about the universal healthcare system.
DNC wont give us universal healthcare. been there done that.

T - obama voter. :\

>>17070864
Pic is worthless and isnt proof of impending doom like you think it is.
Breakdown the numbers for me, tell me what you really think it means.

>>17070891
1 = 100% in that chart. You are ignorant. That would be 60% - but it also isnt .6

It shows a 20-40% wage reduction due to immigration. I doubt you care at all about the working poor. You are obviously a team player of some sort. Lol. Fighting against lil ol me.

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other than to help rich people exploit labor?

>>17070906
>Breakdown the numbers for me, tell me what you really think it means.


It shows a 20-40% wage reduction due to immigration. I doubt you care at all about the working poor or you would immediately understand. The larger implication is the bankers statements: The immigration NEEDS to go UP to LOWER wages.

You must really hate the working class.

Bernies own words in 2016 on immigration summed it up perfectly. I wish I knew where to find them, but I will paraphrase:

Of course we cannot have open borders! How do you have helthcare and pensions with open borders!? There is far too many poor people in the world. We will be overrun!"
- Roughly what Bernie said when I supported him in 2015-16. You dont understand. I used to support him, when he was not open about his desire to lower worker wages with mass immigration.

>>17065237
I am voting for him to cancel my student debt. Do not care what happens to the country. I will make it in LINK and move to NZ

>>17065237
>ruin the country with socialism, open borders, antifa, fuck free-dom attitude, etc
No, he'd wreck the country in a few years, you retarded r/sanders shill.

>>17067582
>>17070638
He didn't say it, he implied it by comparing the United States (a country) to Europe. Had he compared North America to Europe, then it would be different. But he was comparing the US to Europe, so eat shit.

>>17065262
>It’ll workout good for you for a while
Not if you're white, middle class or up, a gunowner, etc.

>>17065317
>>17065957
>>17069416
>>17069531
>shilling on the internet

>>17070929
If government didnt send everything to israel, and didnt spend everything on black budget programs, there would be no deficit. In fact there would be more to spend on immigrants, or a UBI, so people arent taking your worthless cleaning jobs.
And there is room for wages to increase under immigration, the kike employers though dont want to pay what workers deserve.
And finally, 40% wage reduction still leaves people better off than if they were living in mexico.

>>17071036
Fuck trump. And fuck Bernie.

>>17065465
>r/sanders spam
wtf I really want to ruin my country now
>>17065965
Hope you're not white, retard.

>>17067256
>80 iq that'll never amount to anything
How do you even manage to post?
>>17070998
Gender studies degree, eh?

>>17071038
>And finally, 40% wage reduction still leaves people better off than if they were living in mexico.

You are openly advocating for US citizens to face a FURTHER loss of upto 40% in wages so people from mexico are better off than if they stayed in mexico?

Fuck you.

why people in this board aren't anarchocapitalists trying to profit off the next big financial tragedy?

why do you guys care if it is jew A or B thats gonna slave everyone? they are all but a rothschild's puppet

guess thats why I'm the only rich person here lol

>>17070297
Not for average whites, you retarded commie shill.

>>17071044

>>17070015
You really are a traitor to your race and country. Subhuman.

>>17071075
Fuck him. Whatever he is saying there.

>leftist whites are real people and deserve respec-

>>17071044
Fuck leftists and retards like yourself.

>>17071038
Ah he reveals his true colors

SO WHAT IF YOURE POOR BRO ITS BETTER THAN MEXICO TEE HEE

>>17071125
U mad?

>>17071165
>honest bernie supporter
That's rare.

>>17071159
Yah. We got a Bernitos De La Raza Locoooo! on our hands.

>>17071218
One could, of course, say to the mexicans “so what if you’re poor you’re better than the africans!”

>>17071289
Not sure he would understand the implication given their total inability to read a simple chart.

>>17066505
This partly true. Take out all the paper pushing sales and rent seeking in general and half our jobs would be gone. But the same amount of services and services would exist.

>>17065237
Bernie 2020

>>17071351
Hey there, r/sanders discord shill. Why, exactly, should I want to fuck over my race and country? Why should I want to give all my money to brown invaders? Why should I join him in saying "fuck freedom"? kys

>>17065965
>go to Europe
>see that it's 80-90% white
>everyone shares same culture, values, work ethic etc.
>flood Europe with niggers and dune koons
>immediately notice they refuse to integrate and happily sit on their asses getting gibs as whites continue being productive members of society
>look at the US demographics and immigration policy
>all be mexicans, pajeets, and chinks who send their money back home and will bounce back to their home country the second they've sucked the US of everything they can
>still think socialized programs would work in a heterogeneous nation

unironically kys

>>17065965
It must to suck to be as retarded as you are. Democracy was a mistake. You're clearly unfit to vote.