/biz/ - Business & Finance

first for uhhhh...
fug

buy the dip

Real question, why is hedonism considered bad? If pleasure wasn't important, why did Mother Nature have to bribe us with it in order for us to reproduce and survive?

Is there any stock I can buy that will basically work in inverse of fake internet money coins inevitably exploding? I don't believe is silly digital money. I think China will just ban digi monies and fuck them to pieces.

I sincerely hate some of you. You're so fucking annoying and fucking retarded. Some of the faggest and most retarded remarks are from here. Basically ironic weeb normalfag general.

>>16993320
Based

>>16993306
SEC has blanket banned any ETF linked to cryptocurrency. You'll have to find a crypto broker that offers margin accounts and short it.
Alternatively you can do what most people do and long fintech stocks like V, MA, PYPL, and JPM

>>16993320
I like you. Let's be frens.

how many defensive stocks do you own, /smg/?

do people here actually own a decent amount of KHC?

>>16993320
>red id
Not gonna make it

>bloody monday
>into aapl earnings after rising 65% in 6 months
>into tsla earnings after rising 124% since last earnings

yikes

>>16993347
>the cheapest in the money put option (with 31st exp) is $3380
>1 contract
>$3380

market makers are making a killing selling this shit

>The UXVY(Long VIX future ETF) deciles in value dramatically per year due to what you explained in this article. And by contrast SVXY(Short VIX futures ETF – Inverse ETF) increases in value dramatically. This seems indeed to be structural for VIX ETFs.

>SVXY(Short VIX futures ETF – Inverse ETF) increases in value dramatically
Shit... this is true, isn’t it? This is an inverse etf that DOESNT decrease with decay, and just floats up over time?

I shorted it... did I just use decay against myself?

>>16993293
Yes but not yet
>>16993339
I own a small chunk of PEP, KO, and MO... but they’ve all run up a great deal, so I’m not sure if they can be called “defensive”

I also own some SPLV which has been doing alright.

>>16993369
have you ever heard the story of XIV

Prove you are not a normal fag ironic weeb by posting your 2D fappage.

I enjoy the works of meme50, asanagi, raita, space jin, moronaga, and makoto uno.

>>16993369
February 5, 2018

>>16993339
~70% of my portfolio could be considered defensive. It's all stuff with limited or zero market correlation. Utilities, defense (Lockheed), gold. An ISP (REAL) which does its own thing all over the place, although this is definitely not in the "defensive" stock category.

>>16993306
Paypal, probably
>>16993296
Because more time spent on personal enjoynent is less time spent on constructing society

Given the market conditions and global threats, consider longing... LCI. I hear they'll have some good coronavirus treatments in 20 years.

>>16993320
>Red ID

>>16993401
Based
>>16993396
>>16993419
I am aware that there was a vix etf that collapsed... are you saying I shouldn’t buy puts on a short-vix etf? If it goes to 0 or gets delisted I no longer have the right to sell it for the strike price?
>>16993438
She steps on her garbage?

TA bros... I’m fucked aren’t I?

>>16993431
> constructing society
Society doesn't give a wooden nickel about you or me or anyone else. It's important insofar as it would be lonely without other people to spend time with, but it seems to get along just fine without everyone "doing their part."

>>16993445
options on an inverse tracker of an index of a derivative is too many layers for me, good luck fren

>>16993453
Dump it.

>>16993454
nah

>>16993454
But you were basically asking why the society consider hedonism as bad

>>16993454
>wooden nickel
faggy and boomerpilled

>>16993464
But... it’s a good stock
What level is good for buying more?

They have earnings soon and they should be good... I’m in for Bernie’s cheapies aren’t I...

How fucked am I for a TSLA put?

>>16993514
lookin a bit rough there anon. hopefully it pays off for you

>>16993466
>>16993487
Cool arguments, senpaitachi.
>>16993474
Society™ would care, but why would the individuals comprising society care? You have one guaranteed life. Why should you spend it slaving away for no personal gain, or even the benefit of your family and close personal friends?

>>16993320
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all of 4chan is just ironic weebs now. I have no idea with the real weebs left to, but they left me behind years ago. 4chan, reddit, tumblr, facebook, twitter, they've all homogenized by the internet's version of globalization. The wild west days are over.

>>16993503
TA on daily candles says sell, is all. If you're a long hodler then see what happens and buy the dip.

>>16993523
>Society™ would care, but why would the individuals comprising society care?
Because you supposedly want to be part of a society and not being expelled from it

>>16993527
people have been saying this since 2010
it's been true since 2008-2009
I can't wait until they take this stupid website down once and for all

>>16993523
the point is to buy more stocks
duh

>this thread

>>16993264
>that ID

Hmmm I should buy cheapie QQQ on the dip

>>16993337
>SEC has blanket banned any ETF linked to cryptocurrency
GBTC doesn't count?

>>16993557
hey big brain...
Too late to short CCL?

>>16993527
Real weebs never existed. It was a pejorative subverted by newfags. Now places like /a/ are a painful combination of astute unawareness and arbitrary elitism.

>>16993531
Thanks bud

Very sad to see my gains evaporate because probably Bernie.

>>16993527
>tripfag furry poltard
You’re not helping

Spacejin is good taste though

>>16993541
Who's getting booted from society for not "constructing society?" What even does that mean? If I, for example, go out and be a social butterfly and all the single womenfolk (and cute enough bois, if they're exceptional) throw themselves at me for a few nights of bliss, are they going to care that I'm a NEET living off of dividends?

thailand down approx 2%

>>16993594
fuck off retard
I want to be the jew

>>16993594
hehe :^)
its me

>not a jew
:(

>>16993514
Hahahaha you’re fucked

>>16993574
>Real weebs never existed.
No no no. Real weebs are the ones who start the trends people go onto enjoy ironically. Like the ahegao face used to be a specific fetish, but now you have camgirls making that face and people wearing them on their sweat shirts to show how kooky and wacky they are.

>>16993583
Tall accusations that are 100% false and takes 2 seconds to realize
-no trip
-monster girls are not furry
-nothing political posted

Like, come on man. You lost money, but money isn't the world and shouldn't put you on edge like this.

>>16993656
the notorious d.o.b. wouldn't even get mad if you called him a furry poltard, he's proud of those things

>>16993585
Juat describe your job as an investor and start socializing with people then you'll be deemed as a functioning memver of the society

>>16993592
Meanwhile S&P futures are settling in to a range with no determined dumping.

>>16993656
>Like the ahegao face used to be a specific fetish, but now you have camgirls making that face and people wearing them on their sweat shirts to show how kooky and wacky they are.
Yes and it's awesome.

You guys going to be doing trades tomorrow?
Think i'm going to pass and see how much Corona Chan rapes the market.
>>16993320
Buy high Sell low
>>16993438

>>16993694
>lewding the bilis

>>16993656
G-gomen
I thought you were someone else
I’m still green but not as green as I’d like to be ;_; I’m excited about my short doing well and want to add to it but that’s stressful.
>>16993678
Sure, but it still means he’s cancerous, traditionally speaking.
>>16993694
Heh. Kinda... but kinda cringe now that my interests are regarded as fetish bait. But I do want the zoomer chicks cosplaying and indulging my perversikns so... meh

Fuck that’s kinda hot... can BILI dump tomorrow so I can get some cheapies please? It should get rocked with the rest of the ETFs like KWEB right?

>>16993703
The bilbis were built for lewd.

>>16993722
>can BILI dump tomorrow so I can get some cheapies please?
I would also appreciate this. It didn't drop enough on Friday to interest me.

>>16993722
that poster is actually Doob, he's jsut having his way with you

>>16993729
>>16993722
sold my BILI on Thursday/Friday :)
rebuy estimate is in a month or so, depending

BILIs are actually not for lewd, it is a common misconception

go go Natg, rise faster so UNG can go above 15 before it decays

>>16993744
>that poster is actually Doob
It ain't me starts playing.

I have $48,000 doing nothing sitting in my brokerage account. Wtf do I do?

>>16993785
buy some 'ronas and wait 3-5 weeks
nothing wrong with patience
buy the actual dip, not the bulltrap at the start

>>16993785
MSFT, EWU, IDXX, MKC, NVDA, WM, XOP, GLD

>>16993785
Get some of pic related, an 11 inch crepe pan and make some pancakes
Eat with nice maple syrup and sip chamomile tea.

MY FRENS

For some reason, the clips where Jim showed the charts of Ebola, Sars and Mers are not available on CNBC... but I think they're very useful.

If you can access the full episode, I recommend you watch the 3rd segment, 19:10 in to the show.

If not, give a listen to the podcast. It gives some good ideas on how this will play out.

Here's another clip that gives some good ideas:
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/01/21/jim-cramer-coronavirus-may-push-unrelated-stocks-into-discount-range.html

question: do gaps always get filled?

>>16993831
Impressive.

>>16993864
>always?
no
>most the time?
yes

>>16993773
Heh thought of you when I saw that
Congrats.
>>16993869
What part of that is impressive?
The 69?
I’m not sure that’s even correct...
Is the claim that silver does beat inflation?

>jump into emerging markets ETF
>decide maybe thats not a great idea, I'll let it maybe even out a bit before I pull out
>china dies the next day, drops a shitload
welp guess im in this for the long haul

>>16993785
Dollar cost average companies that you think will be here for the next 5-10 years.

Don't buy everything all at once.. spread it out over the course of maybe 6months-1year

>>16993796
take this advice.
Also look into indexes and low fee ETF.

so when is it time to buy the dip in oil, that shit has been dumping hard

what price should we start buying oil?? $40? $30?

How long till the recession hits? I'm sitting on $20,000 liquid cash and waiting for a deal.

FTSE SET All-Share (FTFSTHA)
Thailand
-2.72%


Sky is falling

>>16994166
Anywhere from 1 to 5 years. The federal reserve has supreme power in correcting irrational exuberance.
People called the dot com bubble a year before it happened and lost everything trying to call the top.

So. Is there anything worth shorting at this point? Can I still get in the TVIX moon misssion or is it too late?

>>16993859
How do I short the Dow Transport index?

>>16994101
Around $51 if this is a short lived dip and the range holds. 43 if it breaks.

>>16994166
seems like the FED is giving us another lap in the merry-go-round so it might be a while

Getting spooked, pretty significant jumps

>>16994191
Also if it truly crashes hard, I doubt this but if, say 25 buck.

And these are only cases in hospitals? If the hospitals are full then this isn't accurate

>>16994200
That's just what China is admitting. Numbers are probably twice that. The hardcore quarantine suggests as much.

HAPPENING CANCELLED

CURE HAS BEEN FOUND

EXPECT GREEN DAY TOMORROW

>>16994247
CBD oil is great for coronavirus

Is there still time for the TVIX, YANG, NUGT, SQQQ moon missions? Too late for puts on KWEB or MCHI? Is it too late to short Carnival Cruises, Royal Carribean, and all casino stocks?

>>16994247
>Homeopathic
pretty funny buddy.

>>16994247
>Homeopathic lab
Seems like those two terms would be contrary to one another

>>16994212
>If the hospitals are full
Hospitals being full doesn't mean all corona virus. During health scares like this people flood them out of concern they have it.

>>16994247
LOL

>>16994247
>we lose thousands on options
>this woman makes thousands off retards buying snake oil
I think I'm in the wrong place to make money

>>16994259
CHAD too

>>16994262
>delivery here for a miss... Santeria?

>>16994259
VIX maybe but I still think there's going to be lots of dip buying going on, especially if fed is dovish. Gold isn't exactly pumping yet so there's time for that. Shorting the Nasdaq? Don't recommend. Apple earnings are coming up and if they beat it'll have bullish impact on tech in general.

>>16994247
homeoprophylaxis, the use of homeopathic remedies for the prevention of mostly infectious diseases promoted by homeopathy as a safe and effective alternative to immunizations. hippy

>>16994247
Unironically genius, I bet you could rake in tons of money with this shit

>>16994276
yeah!
>>16994285
hmmm thanks good points... the Dow is more likely to see damage.

But even then, it'll be temporary, the liquidity is there to buy the dip.

So shorting Thailand maybe? China also has the power of central banks, so I think that might be risky.

>>16994247
"Dog cum proven effective against coronavirus"

Is there an ETF that gives me protection against a market crash that doesn’t decay? Something like $TAIL but better

>>16994346
White women will inherit the earth.

There is no fucken way the market should be selling off this much because of this virus. I refuse to believe it will be deep red tomorrow.

>>16994363
i've always been told you cant have your cake and eat it too.

Please don’t be red tomorrow ;(

>>16994380
We're also at all time highs, so there's that.

Can someone rip my dick off for buying so much Big Pharma and calls on Big Pharma earnings?

>>16994363
GLD
TLT
VDC or XLP while selling calls on it

>>16994390
why not? unless you're playing options does a red day really matter that much? and even if you are playing options.. wouldn't you want to make some money on the downside?

Your favorite stocks could go on sale. Don't you like when your favorite things are on discount?

>>16994402
Please explain to a brainlet if / how $TLT will be affected if we’re in a corporate bond bubble, stocks crash, and/or inflation increases

I’m gonna listen to Taio Cruz tomorrow, and drink 2 corona’s in celebration of my puts making me rich...

>kek hopefully Large Cap’s go down
>wait... Even with Kobe fucking dying stonks can go up?

>loses all money

Looking into Unicharm to gain off Jap masks... but it sells at over 37 P/E... isn't that WAYYY higher than Jap stocks generally trade? Sony is only about 11, Nikkei looks to have a 19 P/E

ohhhhh shit.
What about shorting/puts on the 3X transport etf...

Kansas City Southern, Union pacific, Norfolk Southern, these all should take a hit, right? Maybe even UPS and fedex

Just learnt forex trading is illegal in India and can attract prison times. In some ways China is more free than us

Thailand keeps cratering
-3.05%

is it worth panic selling now or is the worst over? should I just hold for another week?

You guys watch any stock market youtubers?

>>16993826
Implying nvda not a massive bubble

>>16994608
institute of trading

Well shit

Should I just sell my pharma? Fug...
>>16994543
damn that's rough
Japan down 2%
>>16994285
>>16994276
>>16994259
Other Idea - Shorting these:
>TPOR - The 3X bull Transportation etf
KORU - South Korea Bull 3X
>JPNL - Japan Bull 3X
EDC - Emerging Markets Bull 3X

>>16994542
>Just learnt forex trading is illegal in India and can attract prison times
wut? that's dumb.

>2.7k
>80 dead
>at least
Sauce: Cnbc

>>16994628
It's hard to tell how fast it actually spreads because it's been going on for more than a month and the chinks are just now release some info.

>>16994636
knowing its the chinks atleast 2 times that are dead and being covered up

>>16994636
an anon posted this handy site to track the outbreak yesterday:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

>>16994648
>80 deaths
>only 54 recovered

holy

>>16994477
what puts are you holding?

>>16994636
If China quarantined 50+ million people, it probably has to be worse than what is reported.

>>16994628
>>16994637
The WHO may not have started tracking SARS until later on in the outbreak. Epidemic started in november, considered "atypical pneumonia", fiurst identified in feb, declared global health alert in march, made landfall in US in late march.

WHO Declared it was "contained" in July

as per:
>>16993859

>S&P lost more than 15% in ~2 months starting in Jan
>Another 6% hit in a steep decline in march

Shit boys...
What else was going on in 2003 that would've fucked everything up so badly?

I think I need to sell sell sell, especially the shit I bought friday that weren't hedges.

>>16994442
TLT are treasuries
Real money

>>16994477
Kobe was the real one holding this market up
I don't know what we are gonna do without him
RIP my n-word, we miss you
Killed by a helicopter (invention of the evil white man) instead of flying in a plane or pyramid (invention of powerful melinated peoples)

>>16994648
This is the best I've found
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus

It's been around forever and they keep things nicely organized

A total of 8 new cases of pneumonia infected with coronavirus confirmed in Hong Kong

First Financial 2020-01-27 10:10:28

The Hong Kong Centre for Health Protection announced on the 27th that a case of imported new coronavirus infection was confirmed in Hong Kong, and the total number of cases has increased to 8 Since December 31, 2019 (as of January 27, 2020), the Centre for Health Protection of the Hong Kong Department of Health has received a total of 382 cases meeting the reporting criteria, including 8 confirmed cases of new coronavirus infection and 219 Excluding cases of new coronavirus infection, the remaining 155 cases are still hospitalized for examination. (CCTV News)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luztqxUBvZo&t=1s

Watch this video and tell me this isn't gonna shit over china's GDP. This is def gonna cause a recession

>>16994686
>What else was going on in 2003 that would've fucked everything up so badly?
That was the final dump period of the dot com bubble crash. Comparing market conditions then to now is difficult, there were a lot of things going on and SARS wasn't the biggest problem on the menu at the time. You can see it for yourself if you look up the SPY chart and scroll back to the period in question.

>>16994711
It's mega-multiples more international and domestic travel for chinese.

They didn't have the mobility back then. Always look at every variable.

>>16994728
I was just looking at the history and the US invasion of Iraq began in March 2003, but Powell did his WMD presentation of 5 Feb, which means they would already have been buzzing about it in Jan. Maybe the writing was on the wall already and people were spooked?

Iraq war does seem bigger than sars, but sars would put a damper on transportation, and TRANSPO looks like it was a major source of the pain (see pic related)

Really, the dotcom bubble was still shaking out? Will check that out too. But fear of WMD's and war seems like it could hurt. But once the shots hit, or whatever the saying is, it's a buy time for the US stocks.

>>16994738
> It's mega-multiples more international and domestic travel for chinese
what?

>>16994765
just dont wanna spoonfeed

>>16994765
>Really, the dotcom bubble was still shaking out?
Yep. There was a bear trap at the bottom, second drop to the lows, then the recovery commenced in mid March '03. There would have been a lot of fear and pessimism about recovery at the time, especially with the middle east heat up.

>>16994768
Why not?

Are you saying that china is more international now, so it's less vulnerable to recession, or that the rest of the world is more vulnerable to the virus because of all chinese international tourism?

I don't know how much more those roo's can take. It' been a BAD few months for them.

>>16994784
>18 January 2003
>Global protests against war on Iraq occur in cities around the world, including Tokyo, Moscow, Paris, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Cologne, Bonn, Goteborg, Istanbul, and Cairo. NION and ANSWER hold protests in Washington D.C. and San Francisco, California.

Yeah I'm thinking that might've had a big impact...
Lots of fear, lots of uncertainty, until Shock and Awe and the toppling of the big ass Sadam statue

2003 was so different from today. Everything was shaky, nothing was certain. It felt like a strong wind could have blown over the world economy. Today, the market seems convinced it is invincible. Peak euphoria, even. I dont think SARS, playing out exactly like it did, would have any impact on today's markets.

That said, I think today's WuFlu is going to be much, much worse than SARS.

>>16994860
I was so young then... but you make a great point. 9/11 is a distant memory now, but it was still part of everyday conversation and news back then. "never forget" but how could we, we were reminded of it constantly?

So do you think the US will be resilient, and the rail and air stocks won't sell off? Just short china & emerging markets maybe?

>>16994896
America is a bit less population dense in a lot of areas. Just depends.

>>16994860
Well, today we have levered up hf and the repo situation. And the Market is below support btw.

How are we feeling about AMDs upcoming earning? Almost feel like buying a put but both call options and puts are too pricer

All of these plays look interesting but they're either too little volume to short comfortably, or already high IV... I can't protect my longs like this...
what the fuggggg to do nowwww

>>16994986
Nothing wrong with cash. Pull out of risky stuff, wait and see which way the wind blows.

>>16994666
TSLA, QQQ, BABA

wirecard has been on a roll, virus won't affect it, BUY BUY BUY!

>>16995001
you're right but... selling low sucks, and I want most of these stocks... I just want to sell now and buy back in later, which i basically timing the market.
and didn't you hear?
"cash is trash"

It sure will put a dent in Gdp, but west will do alright. Just noise imo.

>>16994986
we're about to start 40 days of straight food stock earnings and youre sitting here freaking out again, get a grip like what are you doing with your life?

S&P futures down a percent. This is an irrational dip if I’ve ever seen it. If you’re holding cash, I’d advise to buy in now or wait a few more days and buy in then

>>16995016
>"cash is trash"
Nonsense. Can't buy cheapies without cash.

>>16993264
SNSS up 10% minimum tomorrow digits confirm

>>16995138
I'm just excited... and anxious. I mean, these are interesting times with money to be made and lost. and there's earnings to be excited about. You don't get excited for dips or nervous about losses I guess.
What am I doing with my life... harsh but fair

>>16995146
It's the most recent soundbite from Dalio, regarding what you do with money during economic easing.

>>16993453
Depends on where you bought.
I'd buy at 84-85.

>>16995205
It doesnt sound like youre excited it sounds like youre having a panic attack and about to panic short...
You dont have to trade both directions to be successful, just make your levels way ahead of time

>>16993864
All gaps I've bought last year(5-10) reversed exactly in the mid. 3 of them got the gap at the second try, the rest never came back.

>>16994212
The hospitals are full because the chinese believe in IV like others believe in god. They'd rather camp 3 nights before the hospital like some applefags than simply going to bed.

>>16995278
good point as always
thanks

>>16994648
>>16994658
Any white people infected yet?

Any pharmas look good to bet on?

>>16995149
You have to go back.

>>16993453
puts look decent

Why is Nestle getting into the business of
pancreatic enzyme preparations? They have a medical nutrition business?
>>16995362
;_; that hurts

EQQQ down >2% CSPX -1.6%, God I wish I had some cash right now

>>16995435
no I mean pick some up you could cover your position for pretty cheap, just throw in $50

Gmi

>>16995525
You think so?
Still getting used to options, 25% IV on a $230 billion Dow stock isn’t too much?

the EGX30 is the only green index besides morocco at the moment Thank you Ra

>>16995568
how fucked do you feel?

>>16995576
I don’t even know how to quantify that. I had calls though so those got rekted.

>Wanted to wake up 3:45 am ET to buy more Yang and APT if everything looks write
>Wake up half an hour too late cause I, at 2 am local time, misjudged the time zone for half an hour.
>Literally oversleeping on 1000€ of profits
I deserve this. Still up another thousand pre market though

>>16995637
*Looks right
Jesus, I need a coffee

https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1221630039617363969?s=20

things look... bad over there in wuhan

>down 100€
why do germans not care about the virus

>>16995146
>>16995205
The cashy trashy quotey from mr. Dalli actually makes a LOT of sense to me if you look at where the rate/fed's gonna be at if there's any kind of correction
>>16995741
Numbers of infected have to be higher than reported, there's no way an extra 3k people (distributed all over the nation) should be overwhelming a hospital system designed to care for a country of over a billion?
I'm still relatively certain this will all blow over bee tee dubby, wait a couple weeks and BUY

>>16995741
Looks like a few people having a chimp out, bet south side chi town hospitals look crazier on july sundays. Besides, its a fucking 11 mil city in a 40 mil region, of course the hospitals will be full. I wonder how many of the treatment seekers are just having a cold and are overreacting.

>>16995741
I feel bad for these doctors. They want to help all the people, but there just isnt enough space or equipment. They can work till they collapse, but it isnt enough.
>>16995770
>Told my friend yesterday that the situation is worse than the CCP admits
>He tells me I am wrong, because the gouvernment lying is illegal and they say everything is fine and under control
Germans are retarded.
How are you down? Literally everything doomy is up, and the rest down. You could just short anything today and make a profit

>>16995776
Exactly this (on both points). Ecb and the Fed are underestimating inflation risks, that will be the black swan of the decade. Also, I highly advise to check out swedish and based us listed russian stocks, NILSY up almost 30% since dec btw.

>>16995320
Dont think so. But its 2 weeks incubation and can be asymptomatic too. So the ones who are sick so far are Chinese people who visited wuhan for winter break and lunar new year. We will hear about non Chinese in few days i imagine.

>>16995798
I still wanna buy some swedish match because I enjoy their products so much haha. I'm always a little leery of buying foreign stocks, especially European because I have so little understanding of their economies, I'll check it out tho

Will alibaba stock crash further than 150?It went from 230 to 213 due to corona

>>16995870
We just dont know. Markets are closed this week in China and we can not estimate how much damage Corona will do

APT up 30% holy shit this morning. Imagine being one of the retards who sold early.

>>16993264
Air France down another 5%, Lufthansa down 4%. Get ready to buy airline stocks once they stop dropping from the virus hype

I want to buy put options when the market opens but shit has fallen so much already...

>>16995940
AirFranceKLM down 6.66% now, dropping like a rock

>>16995935
Who could even sell early? Shit went up 20% the moment the market opened
I thought about selling as well, but looking at the US panic we will see this stock will be a keeper this whole week I hope
>>16995940
That, and all the Chinese companies like Alibaba. We will feast on their dicount for months to come. And until then we will just go short with the panic sales.

I love bear season.

Bought 150 bombardier stock friday morning.
Did I meme myself into never getting a return, or do i just need iron hands?
Surely it cant go MUCH lower than it currently is...

My predictions before I get to bed and wake up in three and a half hours
>People panic sale at opening
>stop losses trigger
>around 10 to 10:30AM east coast time things go up a bit
>drop some more
>later in the day things generally steady out
We'll be reaching down to 5% or 7% below opening price with bounces periodically spaced out throughout the day.
Tuesday is going to depend on how the markets react and finish tomorrow and "experts'" responses.

I am getting real fucking tired of playing chicken with this market. The third god damn time this month that it's threatened to tank on me.

>>16996000
I've never heard of them. I hope there's a fundamental reason as to why you invested in them.

People need to calm the hell down about this virus.

What should anons buy into after the China FUD ends?
>>16996009
too many happenings, I've felt the same.

>>16996012
>current price is extremely low
>future looking decent
aside from it being around since before my childhood, I dont really have much other reason to have bought it.
Although, I do have faith that it will go up.

So, currently down almost $1k on my 300 shares of $51 AMD.

Do I HODL and pray that earnings after the close on tuesday saves me? or should I sell at the open before all hell breaks loose? Please help guys i don't want to lose $1k, that's a lot of money to me. I FUCKING HATE THIS SHIT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEMICONDUCTORS THIS ISN'T A COMPUTER VIRUS THE COMPANY'S FUNDAMENTALS ARE STILL STRONG WHY IS IT DOWN I FUCKING HATE THIS

SPY5 down 2% already

US markets not even open yet, fuck China.

>>16995812
Swedish cb raising rates and the unemployment is bottoming, both of these factors will give extra juice.

>>16996035
If everything is chill with the company itself, then why would you sell?
Dont you think that maybe waves are inevitable?

>>16995812
for me its general classic

>>16996035
Yes, sell. Be a good boy and sell. I need some cheapies.

>>16996000
Lower airline earnings = less planes sold

>>16996019
how do you think i feel? i bought in to a stock just before the china trade war went apeshit. now i bought in again and this coronavirus happens.

im just gonna HODL once more for probably months on end hoping to get out with a small profit at least in AMD. im not holding overnight again, fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. so, shame on me for thinking i could hold a stock overnight and it would be okay because the company's fundamentals and future outlook are extremely strong. i guess none of that matters. things completely unrelated to what your company is doing in a completely different country are now what matters.

>>16996035
Sell and buy back cheaper or dca

Part of me hopes the panic holds through this week because I'll be able to buy some more shit by then, but the other part of me hopes people stop being retarded.

>>16996048
>>16996043
i know it's gonna sell off because of the panic, it fucking sucks. might just end up doubling down whenever the virus is cured, that's probably the best i can do right now. i just gotta hold on even though i know it's highly likely to go lower, and pray ER saves me, this fucking sucks.

i've gotta be patient but holy shit this fucking sucks, never holding overnight again. this just straight-up doesn't happen intraday, where stop losses actually work.

>>16996071
>tfw 100% in leveraged ETFs and watching my gains all evaporate
There is no reason for this sell off. Crabbing maybe, but to be flirting with a 3-4 percent drop in the NASDAQ over 80 dead chinks is ridiculous.

I'd love to buy the dip, except I have no money to do so, and I could only raise money by selling and I don't want to do that.

Sold APT for 7,90 now. I think it will dip in the next hour and we can buy back in at a lower level. Should have sold sooner but oh well.

>>16996069
>>16996018
>Being that desperate
For what reason? Just buy some puts

>>16996084
Market was already ripe for a sell off, just needed a reason.

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1505090-20200127.htm
https://www.med.hku.hk/f/news/3549/7418/Wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak_AN-UPDATE_20200127.pdf
Nowcasting and forecasting on the spread of the virus by the University of Hong Kong.

>Corona
Okay, when do we hit bottom?

>>16994247
That's a pretty vicious scam. Is it even legal to claim your product can cure a deadly disease when you have no evidence?

>>16996098
Any speculation as to max drawdown?

>>16996105
323ish

>>16994686
>>16993859
>>16994380
>>16996036


Reminder that virus pandemic scares are literally nothing and stonks always go up in the long term.

Stop worrying and enjoy the ride

>>16996105
The moment you capitulate and sell, of course

>>16994247
Wow, it's already on sale for half price. What a bargain!

>>16996113
I'm not worrying, I want to buy more (at the bottom) :3

I really really need to stop being so greedy and put stop losses, I could've had so many profits but now all the positions are getting raped premarket.

>>16996116
But I'm holding.
Like my cryptomeme for 2 years now.

>>16996110
>>16996111
Just estimating, but adline and all other shit was telling that bears are coming. If ER’s are bad then lower (310ish at least) Look at europe and russia, capital was going there already a week before this corona shit.

>>16996113
Brainlet, check out where spy was then and where it’s now. Not to mention earnings, debt, cb policy and yadda.

Corona is a red herring. I think a rate hike is coming. S&P is going back below 2000.

>>16996084
this is why i don't think im capable of doing any more long term positions after this. if the company fucked up then fine, if they released some product that sucked or their earnings sucked then fine. but some flu that has absolutely nothing to do with computer chips? i lose a fuckton of money because of that, something that has nothing to do with the company i invested in?

THAT is what pisses me off. but i ignored the TA and focused on the FA for investing in AMD. im just so pissed off that i fell for it again, "oh AMD is a great company it's just gonna keep going up this year!" fuck me, it'll go up in the long term but this bullshit global event stuff makes me feel like never holding overnight ever again. that's the big lesson i get from this.

I wish I wasn't fully invested right now. Oh well, I'll try to not look at my portfolio for a week.

wheres that soxl fag at ? Time to watch your little index bubble burst today

>>16996129
wish I thought of that

>>16996147

If you buy on fundamentals you're still supposed to buy low: you bought a company with a PE of over 200 lmao. If it drops 80% it'll still be overvalued.

>>16996035
AMD always drops hard after earnings,did you think it was gonna moon and keep going to Jupiter?

>>16996134
Then it won't go back up until you sell.

Anyone here actually managed to retire early?

Okay, my plan for AMD currently:

>still a fucking amazing company, going to go up in the long term
>hopefully get some good news Mon/Tues and some recovery in the short term
>hopefully ER is amazing (results from before all this virus shit exploded so should be unaffected by it), at LEAST boost the price enough for me to get out at break even or a little better
>stay out of the market until coronavirus is cured (then buy back in as things begin to turn around from the bottom), or we all die/become zombies

Thoughts?

>>16996147
If you can't calm down about a small pullback, maybe buying stocks isn't for you and you should just slowly invest in ETFs. You're not gaining or losing money constantly, you're gaining or losing stock value. It's not profit or loss until the position closes.

How do I long corona virus inc?

holding $60K in tqqq is painful right now

>>16996175
i know and im holding long term, it just really bothers me that world events that have nothing to do with the company still cause the stock to lose a ton of value out of nowhere.

>>16996147
These situations are ‘markets 101’, what do you think happened in every crash since this casino was invented? I’m not selling mine shares, will wait till this bs is over and buy more. If nothing fundamentally changes, i’ll hold amd for 10y easy.

>>16996170

Buying AMD right now is a momentum play hoping that the stock market keeps going up. The actual stock could be priced at 1/5th the current price and still be overvalued. Massively overvalued company, like most right now. Doesn't mean it won't go up in the short term, just you seem long term oriented and its likely AMD will never go back to its current levels after it inevitably falls. At least for a few decades.

>>16996177

3M, ABBV, APT, LAKE, YANG & GOLD as far as I know. Probably more but idk.

>>16996167
Well I'll be able to "retire" in 12 years. Due to workplace retirement regs and loopholes I can use. I'm 37 now.

>>16996035
>buying this
My God, do you have Vechain and Dragonchain bags as well? LMFAO.

>>16996147
Corona probably lost a lot this week simply because they have that name.
The most terrible companies in the world can gain 15% over night simply because a rival had a good/bad earnings report.

Stocks are feels more than reals, and good fundamentals will bring you success only long term.
And AMD is overvalued. PE of 200. So once the hype stops its free falling
>>16996170
Why would you stay out of the market when you can literally put almost anything? Short anything and everything till the markets calm down and then hop back into the bull mode.

>>16996177
Kneepads and syringes

>>16996152
Always keep some powder dry to BTFD. My target is 273. The run up we've had since October was great but markets don't just go straight up. Stop being greedy and make sure you are selling some here and there as it goes. When we were topping out Thursday and Friday, I was 2/3 in cash which is about where I'm always at and suggest you be in those kinds of market conditions. Now with this virus situation I'll be loading back up, hopefully to be fully in somewhere around the bottom. Wash rinse repeat on the next run. But I'm a trader and I'm good at it so I can do that. I'd never suggest others try to time markets as you seem to be suggesting. SOXL will do everything thing I have predicted and will thoroughly smash the S&P in the long term so most people should just DCA in every paycheck and be done. But don't be so smug regarding my position. See you at the bottom

>>16996197
Shorting LK

>>16996197
Thanks fren

>>16996187
I just don't think it's helpful to let it get under your skin or to dwell on it too much. The more emotion you let in, the higher your chances of panic selling in the future. Trading requires that you have ice water in your veins, you have to look at it with objectivity and disregard any root feelings.

>>16996209
The -9% premarket is still not much looking at the past few months. If this virus turns out to be nothing, which I suspect, everything should go back up. If it does cause an apocalypse, well then what good will money do anyway. Conclusion: keep buying, in good times and bad times.

>>16996223
>If it does cause an apocalypse
God I wish

>>16996223
The virus is serious but there's a lot of media throwing fuel on the fire. I'm thinking containment in a month at most and we all forget the whole thing inside three months. In the meantime this is what separates winners from losers in the market. It goes down, I buy and as much as I'd like to catch the bottom I'm happy to just buy low. I remember 2008 clearly and had friends who sold at the worst possible time. This will be nothing compared to that. Everybody just needs to keep their wits about them and not panic. We gonna make it

>>16996035
>Bought at the top
True /smg/ style, Buy high sell low

I generally only invest long term, but the retard reaction to Corona is tempting me to load up some capital on penny stocks and cash out when they inevitably go up again.

On a scale of 1 to 10 how bad of an idea is this?

I'm down about 2000 in general. I don't give a shit. I've been here before with AMRN before the FDA adcom vote. I ended up making it all back and then some when I finally sold. It only actually counts if you sell anyway. In a strict numbers match up actually I'm still ahead by 2000 due to the profit I made when I sold AMRN. When ONTX files this short term loss won't mean jack shit anyway.

BUY NOW
you have been warned

>>16996310
Bagholding AMRN sucks. Fuckface CEO needs to just sell the company

>>16996305
11

>>16996305
I have a worse idea. Im gonna buy calls on chink stonks 3 months out.

Why won't VAS:ASX go down? AAHHHHHH!!! I sold like a week ago and lost out on like $500.

>>16996305

Just make sure you're OK with loosing 100% of your money. If so then its a good idea. Worst case scenario you only lose 100% of the money with that strategy.

>>16996316
uh why? Why is a bank stock so fucking cheap? Surely there's something wrong. If it was doing good surely the price would be higher.

>>16996203

This guy is going to HODL AMD back to $4. He invests on fundamentals and knows in 40 years AMD will be back to $40.

>>16996376
Yeah, fuck it. I'll look for something steady but undervalued while people are screaming like retards over Corona instead.

>>16996389
>Surely there's something wrong
high % bad loans there is a government plus the banks program of reducing them stock will skyrocket

>>16996405
Im planning on loading up on WB if it gets back to 32-34. HUYA at 14-16 maybe.

>>16996316
>European stock
Fuck off

>>16996389
>>16996410
>>16996423
just fucking buy retards

You guys need to be buying SOXL as this dip progresses. Buy a little now and more as we go lower. The bottom should be in within the month if the SARS market environment is anything to go by. If we get in the 190's, I have 250k worth of bitcoin I'd almost written off in 2018. I've been itching for an excuse to go through the trouble to liquidate. If I can get that in SOXL at the spot I want it'll be half a million dollars in 6 months. Don't let me be the only cool head that gets rich here. Buy the fuck out of this shit. We are at 285 right now so get started. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE. GET RICH WITH ME

>>16996442
Do I need to post the pasta as a reminder?

>>16996431
>1 cent change
>lose 2%
no thanks I don't play with penny stocks

>Imagine not buying GLD calls last week.

>lost thousands Friday
>looks like today I'm gonna lose thousands more

Glad I put all my $ into "safe" index funds.

Anons, I want to start speculating. For example, there are three vaccine companies, two of which jumped 70% and 150% percent in ~3 days, with the third being recommended as a strong buy. Why doesn't everybody do this?

>>16996515
>putting money into indexes right before they correct

>>16996515

I don't know how this meme got started that stocks are "safe." No wonder this bubble started. Feels like 2006-2007 again.

>>16996515
did you plan to take the money out in the next year?

>>16993453
imagine being one of the many TA derps out there who think they can predict the future by drawing lines on past data graphs. lmfao

Post defense stocks that aren't lockheed/NG/le boing.

>>16996551
>I tried it once. I didn't work
>I also got it all wrong

To buy Microsoft or not, that is the question.

>>16996515
Consider this. In the US you have pension funds, 401k plans, 403b plans, investment banks, Berkshire cultists, and so on 100s of millions of people throwing every dime they have in these index and index like products. Every politician knows their electability hinges on this thing going up in the long term. President Trump for one is sure to do whatever it takes to pump this shit going into November. The fed is on board and they have trillions. This market is backed up by the might of the strongest war machine in the history of the world and everybody has a vested interest in the numbers going up.
Worst case scenario you try your hand at trading and it goes against you then you give up. That happens, just leave the money where it is and walk away for 30 years. you won't be any worse off than anybody else but you'll probably still be rich as mud. Even if you bought the very top on October 11th 2007 and did nothing else you'd be better off today. Or just read this link. It's a little plebbit but it gets the point across.
https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2014/02/worlds-worst-market-timer/

>>16996560
RTN? NOC? GD? HII? TDG? Or why not ITA, the defense ETF?

>>16996442
I'm currently fully invested unfortunately. Mostly in S&P and BABA, but also some individual SOXL stocks. I'm an easy buyer, but I have very big resistance towards selling and buying trying to time stocks.

>>16996442
>>16996450
Post it. Post the pasta. Mom’s spaghetti. Palms sweaty. Fuck Kobe, buy SOXL, get paid already.

>>16996506
Not every has the chutzpah to speculate in precious metals

>>16996532
>living dangerously

>>16996560
Just check the ITA ETF list of contents, bro. Also check which stocks were up more than 5% in the 48hrs after the Iranian Salami Special ;) ;)

>>16996626
I thought you'd never ask.
*ahem*
SOXL is the answer. Face it. Semiconductors are crack in all but name. The desire for newer, faster, more is insatiable. Computers, GPUs, self-driving electric cars, AI enhanced smartphones, medical devices, microcontrollers, networking gear, machine learning, surveillance, infrastructure, military, the list is endless. No matter how many cores, how fast or efficient, demand requires bigger, faster, cheaper, better. The clamor for fresh silicon gives nary shit for national identity, creed, hue, gender, asshole virginity or other vain conceit; the multitude speaks in singular. The plea: semiconductor.
SOXL couples a single ETF entry point with the the best companies the space has to offer then pushes these already stellar returns to the limit with 3x leverage. With SOXL your economic interests are aligned with powerhouses Nvidia, Qualcomm, Intel, Broadcom, AMD, Micron, Texas Instruments, Applied Materials, et al. Real tech companies with innovative products people want, not """tech""" """companies""" pushing shitty ads. And like all leveraged ETFs, SOXL is rebalanced daily, deftly mitigating margin risks.
In the last 7 years, SOXL has exploded over 55x yet still we are early. Semiconductor growth will proceed exponentially until every viable space is saturated with it. This is a fait accompli; the sheer number of interested parties and compelling outcomes make it so. The injection of increasingly compact and efficient sensors, microcontrollers, information processing and storage into everywhere and everything will be this era's seminal revolution, a revolution with SOXL holders planted firmly at the receiving end.
The dip is in. This is your time. We dip more, buy more but remember where we're going, fretting over a few dollars is meaningless. The deliberation is over; waiting is a failure mode. Now. Buy it now.

>>16996611
BABA? I hope you're in from a decently low price

Is this going to blow over? Or is it game over?

WTF! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET A LIVE MEOW JUMP!

>>16996668
The world is ending, dump all stock and buy silver coins.

is fcel still a good stock to jump into?

HOLY FUCK

>>16996668
Be vigilant but don't lose your head. This is the chart from the incipience of the SARS epidemic in April 2003

>>16996666
I'm up 8.5% currently. When markets open it will be more like 3% though. I'm betting on this being temporary.

Damn i cannot wait to buy cheap stocks a week from now when this blows over.

im new to stocks and just dabbling around in robinhood (pleb shit I know ) but my coworker was telling me that even if I bought and sold stocks this year, I don't have to claim or file any taxes on it until I actually take it out of my brokerage account. Is that true?

>>16996716
last year **

>>16996716
>Is that true?
No. Robinhood will provide you with the necessary tax forms in a few days.

>>16996691
same with alpha pro tech

This isn’t going to blow over. California is about to be wiped off the map and all of Mexico. China is doomed already and surrounding countries.

>-2,14%

Shit. Fucking corona, can't fucking wait until the US stock markets open...

REMINDER

>>16996701
Can someone post the table with the low following a major market shock? 12 days, 21 days? There was a table last night

tl;dr: when do get maximum cheapie?

>>16996745
>a few old chinks die
>the world is ending
Fewer chinks and old people is unironically bullish. The market is behaving irrationally and not seeing this for the gift it is.

>>16996758
Run R2 cor chart and get back to me, bro, I’m not impressed

>>16996776
R^2 *

New thread

>>16996788
>>16996788
>>16996788
>>16996788

>NY Fed Accepts $49.6Bln Of Securities In Overnight Repo Operation
what does this mean?

>>16993432
They sell generic retrovirals right now which are being used in Wuhan as a line of last defense against nCoV

i bought SP500 index funds on thrusday. how fucked am i? should i sell it all today?

>>16996532
>right before they correct
Been putting $ in since 2004 friend. My bag is big enough a .05% decline is thousands.
>>16996534
>I don't know how this meme got started that stocks are "safe." No wonder this bubble started. Feels like 2006-2007 again.

I am broadly diversified. A few dead chinks shouldn't have this effect.

>>16996543
Nope. Just annoyed. 50 dead Chinks. Who gives a shit?

>>16996515
wot a rtard

>>16996997
Yeah

>>16994860
We already know it will be worse than SARS. It may not have the same mortality rate (we don't know yet), but we definitely know it's spreading much more quickly (R0 of 3-5 wtf!!!), and unlike SARS people are infectious even before they have any symptoms. That is HUGE, compounded with the fact that China was late to start containment procedures, compounded with all the Lunar New Year travel, etc...

SARS caused 8000 cases over TWO YEARS with a mortality rate of 9.6%. nCov is now at 3000 cases in less than a month. High mortality rate actually hinders a virus' ability to spread. What's worse, 10k infections with 9.6% deaths, or 1 million infections with 4% deaths?

And that is assuming that the mortality rate is only 4%, which is impossible to know at this early stage.

Also, note that for the similar coronaviruses SARS and MERS, there was NEVER any vaccine able to be developed. I don't expect any vaccine to be able to be developed for this either.

I think Robinhood shit the bed again. One of my calls is up 8,333% and I have no idea why.

>>16997234
not only were they late but they covered it up and acted like nothing was happening. chinese gov instructed hospitals to not tell patients they had the virus, just to stay at home.