/biz/ - Business & Finance

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>>16959239
this

OP is based

>>16959239
youre the one whos doing it. no one said you have to.

>>16959239

>>16959294
yeah don't pay taxes, go to prison. brilliant plan.

All things considered, your tax freedom day will probably get you onboard. Remember how the fed is planning on printing money directly into the hands of hedge fund managers to settle the repo market? They get privatized gains, and socialized losses while your ass wages 6 months for literally nothing. Now get back to work, wagie.

>>16959294
You cant bring cash into federal prison. Wouldn't want to end up there, prison has buttrape, haven't you seen the films? Bad goys get sexually violated, dont break the law if you want an intact butthole ahahahaha.

>>16959294
>nobody said you have to pay taxes

>>16959239
why dont you move to another country then dumbass? preferably one without government right? lets see how you like it

>>16959399
Please, tell me which country doesn't have a government. I'm waiting.

>>16959399
Dude please, I'm refreshing this thread like a mad man. I need to know, which country doesn't have a government??

>>16959399
Sub-130 IQ

>>16959239
Go live in the woods. Go live in a tax haven. Go live in international waters.
The fact that you don't, tells me that you'd rather be scammed.

>>16959320
>>16959374
Spotted the underage fags

>>16959698
Found the basement neet

>>16959688
>theft is OK when the victim is helpless and unable to avoid the theft

>>16959688
>dude just go live in uninhabitable areas for 40 years and hope the USA doesn't drone strike you LMAO

>>16959688
International waters you have to pay the pirate tax

>>16959990
not if you are the pirate

>>16959999
SHIT GET

Bernietards will tell you that you are even more than that and should be grateful for it

>>16959294
>dude just unsubscribe from police state citizenship lmao

I would love to fuck off to an unincorporated tract of land innawoods and owe nobody anything. Turns out that's fucking illegal.

>>16959999
FAILURE

>>16959239
Taxation is theft...

>>16959239
Are burger taxes really that low for someone who earns 100k?

Reminder to all anons that at the peak of the roman empire a citizen would have access to the highest standard of living in the world and the equivalent of two days' pay was all that was required in taxes.

>>16960005
>>16960041
lul

>>16960048
Is that monthly tax rate, yearly, bi-monthly?

>>16959999
Disgusting use of quads

>>16959999
Checked

Oh good, more Lolbertarian manchildren spamming the business forum

I pay 40% of income. 15% vat on food, 12% on transport and 25% on other. Guess nationality

>>16961193
We literally became an independent nation over a tax on tea. Stay poor.

>>16961273
congo?

>>16961295
Close, I'm surrounded by africans..
Norway

>>16960005
What is a get?

>>16961193

Oh good, a nanny state tranny here to tell us we should pay 100% taxes so every tranny gets a free mutilation surgery and so we need to take care of all the nogs and spicks 10 gorillion fatherless babies being pumped out every 9 months.

>>16961397
Neoliberals baka

>>16959239
It's even worse, since businesses need to pay taxes on their earnings, and also do payroll taxes for their employees, everything costs more than it should

>>16959239
but OP the roads

>>16962418
So business have to charge you more to cover their taxes and then you get taxed more on the extra money you're paying

>>16961353
Lurk more before you post, newfag

>>16959239
But m-muh dark ages. M-mu feudalism.

DAILY REMINDER THAT YOU PAID 10% OF YOUR INCOME IN FEUDALISM AND THAT'S IT AND HAD A FUCKTON OF TIME OFF COMPARED TO TODAY.

B-but muh technology.

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT BEING PROPPED UP BY PILLS TO SLAVE AWAY FOR YOUR CORPORATE AND STATE OVERLORDS FOR 10 YEARS EXTRA

If you don't think you are being absolutely scammed by modern society, you are an illiterate moron.

everyone in this thread is absolutely fucking based and redpilled

>>16962617
this

>>16959239
fuck this shithole

Unironically why do people value fundamentally worthless magic federal reserve bux

>>16962617
J-Jesus anon, I'm thinking youre pretty fucking B-BASED.

>>16962679
because you become emotional attached to "money" at a young age working your first shitty job and thats how you "accept" it as having value for your time. It's only those who begin to think deeper about what money actually is who unfold the kike trickery.

>>16959239
pay your fair share wagie

>>16961353
get the fuck out

>>16962710
having a career is a fucking terrible end of the deal lmfao. become self employed and get paid through contract work. write off expenses. throw money into tax deductible accounts, etc., pay fucking NOTHING in taxes lmfao

>>16962693
How people can accept their (((bankster))) overlords is beyond me.
They really did crush OWS though and neatly pushed their social ""justice"" narrative at the same time. The question is what to do about it

>>16961283
And then ended up paying even more in taxes immediately after independence. Really makes me think. Stay retarded.

Does the illuminati exist?

>>16962810
What made you think so?

>>16962792
society is cucked in the way you cant even express your freedom of thought/speech without offending someone so in turn we have a bunch of zombie retards who fall in line easily as ever and who dont ever question mr shekelberg's methods of kikeing the economy. its actually amazing so stupid people are today. you try to speak about current events (not politics) and people dont have any opinion on anything other than swiping right on tinder.

>>16960168
>>16960048
Yearly. Should have mentioned that. When a government is genuinely working in the interest of the people that's what you can expect to see. Paying a tax rate of over 10% is absolutely outlandish. Especially when you see the tom-fuckery that takes place in pretty much every country's government today.

>>16962810
It did, this much is historical fact. Whether or not it exists and has influence today is the conspiracy theory.

>>16962825
'Coincidences'
>>16963021
>Whether or not it exists and has influence today
I said 'Does' not 'did', fren. More broadly I mean any cabal of immensely powerful people controlling things in secret

>>16962793
Does it matter? Wether we believe the implementation was correct or not the fact stands that the, debatable perhaps, most powerful nation in the world currently has it's roots in literally revolting over less taxes then we have now.

I can't find a good source for objective taxation from before the revolution to after, but I don't think it matters either way considering the rallying cry was no taxation without representation, the colonists were happy to trade that money for more self governance.

>>16963148
>he thinks it was about taxes
bluepilled

>>16963205
It doesn't matter wether it was or not. Learn to compartmentalize faggot. I don't bring up how I fucked your girlfriend in your shitcoin threads because it has no relation to the discussion, that's compartmentalization.

>>16963129
freemasonry absorbed all illuminati ideals (egalitarian communism) in the xix century. Now its run at the top by an organization called b'nai brith

>>16963232
it does have relation retard. The fact is the founding fathers didnt revolt because of taxes that was the dumb excuse

>>16963246
It doesn't matter, that's the federal government's official stance, and I proved we pay more in taxes now then we did when we revolted to create the nation, as goes the federal government's official narrative. We don't need to deal in conspiracy when literally the government's own history does not line up with our modern reality.

What do you believe the founding fathers revolted for. It doesn't have any relation, but I do want to hear your thoughts.

>>16963279
they revolted to get away from the church, and they weren't precisely libertarians as you'd call em today

Neoliberalism and fractional banking is destroying western civilization.

A tax of just $5,000 will reduce an individuals lifelong returns by over a million dollars.

The nanny state is already collapsing and in our lifetime we will see it completely go down. The debt will be so massive that civil war will become inevitable in the US and Europe. Your tax dollars are being used to replace you with subhumans.

You fail to mention any of the ways Government benefits you though

How about the military protecting your sorry ass from the nearest invaders? Huh? You like that don't you? Your ass can go about daily life without fear of invaders, robbery, crime, etc. because of Government. Someone breaks in your house you can call the police and they throw that person in Jail, you really like that huh? They even build the cage for them. Don't act like you don't get any benefits. Public infrastructure, public schools, etc. You utilize a shitload of things the Gov provides

>>16959320

lmao you don’t goto prison for not paying taxes, that would be too easy... it a lot worse what happens when I catch on to you.

>>16959294
Based. Please for the love of God start memeing this in 2020. It should be easier than ever to hit a tipping point % with normies giving how transparently corrupt everything is. The only defense they will have is an appeal to emotion that your $$$ Make a difference somehow but things are so dire people don’t even care at this point. Time to water the tree of liberty.

>>16959999
Based Pirate get. Read Bronze Age Mindset. The Yankee pirate WILL return!

>>16963374
Not in California, you don't.

>>16963374
>How about the military protecting your sorry ass from the nearest invaders?
Those mexicans they couldn't stop?

>>16963374
GOV cares more about non citizens than actual constituents. Gov actively trying to disarm it’s populace. Gov looking to siphon ever MORE money from the public to “fight climate change” despite the fact that our environmental impact is peanuts compared to India and China. Everything that is being done is not to “help” the population, it is done to increase the power of the ruling class. It is painfully obvious at this point.

>>16959344
This is the real fucking crime.

Taxes are one thing.

Pure heroin-like injections of magical money printed from thin fucking air is another entirely

>>16963374
That doesn't mean I want any of them. Honest to god I'm not just being contrarian. I've thought about a lot of what you just mentioned for almost a decade now, different ways of distributing income, if we should distribute income, does income actually exist, what does money stand for, and a lot of the literature that goes along with those thoughts on all sides of thought, yada yada ect. ect.

The point of that being I feel well equipped to hold an opinion on that point. The point is quintessentially, who would build the roads? My answer would be we probably don't need roads actually. There are billions of people in the world and many have exotic solutions to problems that would find niche adoptions and spread naturally in their own environment. Some will stay niche, some might spread, and some might die out. Please don't take this as some sort of idealist grandiose, I realize life has specific limitations sometimes that will require equally specific innovations, but I think those innovations will be more complete and evolve at a complete pace if given free reign. I think this extends to everything really, we don't need school, we don't need jails. In fact to provide a couple specific examples of what I'm talking about;

1; Ford spent nearly a million dollars in the early 19th century on politics to destroy the public transit system in america and to fund road development. His million dollars in campaign money ballooned into billion dollar road systems all over the world. That's just one example of someone punching far above their weight class because of the tax system, if those taxes didn't exist he would have had to bring this road system to life and compete with public transit at the same time without utilizing other peoples money. Was it a good thing? That's completely debatable, it might have just been akin to using a blowtorch to light the fire instead of a match. Either way his change came about unnaturally due to taxes.

(Cont.)

>>16963564
Please do continue anon

>>16963564
2. The conviction rate for murder is 30%, the conviction rate for moving traffic violations, speeding tickets, is nearly 70%. The police have become capitalized, they exist to first and foremost to pull the easiest money first. I also feel this empirically to be true, the amount of money I've paid out for accidents, insurance, and speeding tickets would probably my total taxes up a whole 5%, I digress though, the real point being in this same lifetime I have never once had to call the police for anything else. Not once, they've always come to me demanding money not the other way around.

Military is the same shit, America is an invading power because it can afford to be, we take wars of opportunity.

Anyway, I've lost focus of my argument really so I'm going to cut myself off here. Basically I don't think the government gives me anything that wouldn't exist anyway without them, and furthermore I think they actually create far more problems then they have ever solved. Not exactly a fringe belief, but I dont think people really think about just how many problems government actually causes by trying to "push the limits" of humanity as I believe most people supporting the government are doing or maybe even believe wether or not that is consciously their opinion.

>dont forget the taxes on your already fully paid house :^)
OH BOY I LOVE TO GET ANALLY RAPED BY THE GOVERNMENT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqb6ZIXoX2w

>>16963374
>How about the military protecting your sorry ass from the nearest invaders?

You mean the Arabs, Africans, Chinese they keep shipping in by the 500,000 every year? (Australia)

>>16963374
>Your ass can go about daily life without fear of invaders, robbery, crime, etc. because of Government.

Arabs raping constantly, Africans robbing, Chinese buying up everything they can and destroying local manufacturing and farming

>>16963374
>Someone breaks in your house you can call the police and they throw that person in Jail, you really like that huh?

Here our cops tell us to hand over our valuables when the Africans break in. I've seen multiple incidents in the U.S. where the cops bust in and kill the VICTIMS

>>16963374
>Don't act like you don't get any benefits.

I get $550 a fortnight job seeker allowance. My job service provider is trying to pull me in to working a job which would net me $700 a week. So $275 a week for doing nothing or $350 for working 38 hours a week, tough choice there right. I have a degree and am studying for a 2nd

>>16963374
>Public infrastructure, public schools, etc. You utilize a shitload of things the Gov provides

Our infrastructure is fucked - trains are overcrowded, internet doesn't work, corruption everywhere

>dont forget the taxes on your already fully paid house :^)
OH BOY I LOVE TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS BY THE GOVERNMENT
[YouTube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqb6ZIXoX2w (embed)

>>16963689
Yup. People were setting their cars on fire on the side of the highway during the GFC because they can't afford the loan and insurance anymore. Not specifically the same situation since your house is paid off, but I think it has a similar sentiment in how ungrounded from reality much of the financial jungle gym is.

>>16959617
>>16959481
Just for fun I googled it.
West Sahara
Antarctica
Somalia
Belgium
Nutbush, Tennessee

>>16963685
Correction: $275 for doing nothing vs $700 for working 38 hours a week. Still nowhere near worthwhile. Also keep in mind that $275 should be updated (inflation etc) to $350 anyway.

>>16961353
You will die alone

>>16963779
Forgive me if I'm being autistic and that was a joke, I think Antarctica is the only thing on that list without a government though. Even then I believe it's technically owned by all UN recognized nations, also I would literally freeze my dick off in Antarctica, not suitable for human life.

>>16963812
True

>>16959239
yes

The problem isn't social services. I'm not one of those retards that screams muh socialism whenever the trash is collected and I hate the neoliberals that religiously believe that government is God.

The problem is that we have all these departments that have zero oversight, are massively bloated with pork, and are completely ineffective or actively work against their intended purpose.

What kind of retard thought it was a good idea to create government unions? Those should be flat out illegal. I'm actually in favor of unions and think that all major corporations should have a workers union, but government unions are essentially just tax payer money pits.

Take the department of education. It has been a train wreck since its creation. The teachers union made it nearly impossible to force a bad teacher out. The Obama administration made public education into a hellish clown show and Trump finished the satanic ritual by putting DeVos in charge. It has become nothing more than a propaganda day care center.

The police system is a total joke. The founding fathers would have advocated a civil war at the very idea of a police union. Somehow everyone is okay with the police having the ability to declare martial law on an individual basis and then allow the police to oversee themselves if there is any misconduct.

>muh roads
They are falling apart and poorly maintained in all fifty states. Every state has constant tax increases for road traffic, and it always ends up getting pocketed by lobbyists and politicians. South Carolina's Governor actually owns the road construction companies and he both submits and approves of the bids for the road projects. The Founders would call for a public hanging for corruption on that

All of these programs need to be transparent and easily changeable.

>>16959239
Yeah shit sucks. Why is this never discussed in mainstream? Are normies happy with giving half their money to the state?

>>16959239
Just 20% tax bracket? Broke fag

My effective tax rate is around 68÷... In other words, I get to keep 6 days wages per month while the other 14 are confiscated

>>16963967
How is this legal?

>>16963858
This is a good post anon. I'm not well rested enough to dig deeper into why I thought the points were good specifically, but I thought that was poignant and I appreciate you taking the time to voice your views.