/biz/ - Business & Finance

Why would I use this when I can use nano, anon?

>>16908151
how much is a regular transaction fee on bsv?

>>16908169
Because the only value a money has is in its liquidity. Nano is too far behind. Bitcoin has the immaculate conception, the message in the Genesis block, the Bitcoin pizza story, all this shit is basically a mythic origin story at this point and it will continue to gain liquidity. Lightning is making great progress as a payments layer and any incremental improvements nano might have over Bitcoin are not enough to make a difference. Statechains with trustless offchain trading of UTXOs are coming, and those can be used to open lightning channels or channel factories. We are all here because of Bitcoin and we will still be here in 10 more years because of it.

>>16908243
Free transactions allows for near unlimited new usecases vs 1 cent transactions. You could literally build a decentralized machine where each gear pays to utilize the other, and have the costs determined by direct usage. By machine, I mean any complex device, organization, or creation that is a whole of separate parts. Only a free and instant currency (NANO), has the potential to be the this lifeblood.

>>16908243
anon you do realize the app you posted uses Bitcoin (SV) and not bitcoin-core+lightning, right?

If Craig kills bitcoin, everyone is just gonna switch to ETH

>>16908272
but why would anyone use ETH when after the february genesis update Bitcoin (sv) will be able to do everything ethereum does and more?

>>16908176
Average transaction fee: $0.0018 USD
Median transaction fee: $0.00066 USD

Enjoy Bitcoin as it was originally designed. For microtransaction usage.

>>16908243
This is indeed the prowess of the Bitcoin protocol unleashed and at scale, as it was always meant to be.

It has the exchange ticker BSV.

>>16908151
This actually looks so slick wtf?

>>16908547
Try it for yourself. Download handcash app and you are good to go. Send money to your friends instantly. No need to wait for confirmation and other bullshit, it just fucking works. Onchain.

Also, it's really just Bitcoin. Incredible that after 10 years people still don't realize that Bitcoin could always do this before it was sabotaged by the CIA/Blockstream cartel.

>>16908151
>send $0.01 to 20 friends
>$0.21 sent!

oy vey I would love to pay 1k to send 20k

>>16908547

BSV has a ton of projects like this, nobody is paying attention though because Greg Maxwell lied to them

>>16908303
Because normies know eth more than OHHH BITCOIN SANJAYS VISION I CAN'T BUY IT ON COINBASE LEMME JUST USE IT NOW

But Craig really can't kill Bitcoin legally either, so kek

>>16908591
The fee of 0.01 extra USD is most likely rounded up. through a configuration of the UI.

Here is a video with a microtransaction multisend to 200 people.

>>16908888
Why are people saying it's a scam with utility as insane as this? This looks to me like the best functioning coin in all of crypto

>>16909251
Welcome to /biz/. Everyone fudding it was unironically accumulating at great prices. Cats out of the bag.
Genesis comes in like two weeks. Accumulate.

>>16909251
All the competitors don't like losing, so they look at the very best and fittest horse in the race and call it a scam. That's pretty much all there is to it. A working Bitcoin threatens a lot of powerful interests, political and financial, so they have hired armies of propagandist to spread bullshit nonstop on social media. They can't prevent it from working anymore, but they can try to prevent people from realizing how good it is.

But it will only work for so long until reality kicks in.

>>16908151
Go on.. I'm listening...

>>16909646
Bitcoin is back. Fast, easy, cheap, reliable and now also scaling so major players can use it to build.

People are building apps like crazy on SV right now, it's a hugely growing ecosystem.

Developers were never meant to tinker with the foundational protocol. Bitcoin was meant to be unchanging; set in stone. Developers were meant to build apps on top, using the protocol the transactional layer.

Build the googles, build the facebooks, build the the imgurs. But dont fuck with TCP/IP.

It's happening now with Bitcoin SV.

>>16908347
>>16908151
>>16909427
>>16909836

omg just stop you know how shit you make this board with your incessant posting? nobody fucking cares what indians think when will you people realise that none of us give a shit about any of you or the coins that u shill

>>16910120
Imagine dilating this hard

>>16910120
dilate and have sex trannycore cuck

>>16910120
Wow somebody is mad that we are making Bitcoin Great Again

>>16910120
Can you explain why this kind of utility should not be discussed? What's your problem dude

>>16908169

Bump

>>16910579
Ignore Greg Maxwell posts

>>16910579
These people do not want any real discussion of technology because it would expose them for the frauds they are. They seethe with rage when Bitcoin actually works as intended. Instant, fast, cheap and secure. No argument can defeat this kind of tech, only sabotage and disinfo can.

>>16911511
Definitely interesting, didnt know bsv was developing all this

>>16908151
Centralized on nChain

Revolut is Aldo centralized and can do the same and more
Also, Zap wallet

>>16912225
on top of that, nChain has 20+ full time devs working on the protocol software. They have basically completely rewritten and professionalized the code

>>16908169
NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO USE OUR COIN IT HAS THE BEST TECH

>>16909836
You forgot Baemail. It is amazing.
Also a great wallet is centbee for larger storage.

>>16912245
Fake news, Revolut is a company, the definition of central authority. Bitcoin is an open public blockchain that anyone with proper equipment can mine. Economic incentives and security model applies, just as described in the Bitcoin white paper.

I know it pains you to see Bitcoin being actually usable and efficient, but try to come up with better talking points, because this shit is weaksauce.

>>16911511
This is new for me, seems interesting

>>16909251
>This looks to me like the best functioning coin in all of crypto

It looks amazing because the network is tiny. If it were a 1/10th the size of the bitcoin network, you wouldn't be seeing VISA like transaction speeds.

>>16908547
>>16909251
>>16910579
>>16912225
try to be less obvious next time

>>16908151

So, each of these transactions are onchain?

Could you please provide a link to an explorer?

Fucking scammers

>>16912473
Totally false. Transactions propagate instantly on BSV regardless of network size through 0-conf. Settlement is still average 10 minutes. Besides, blocks size is so large (and soon to be infinite) that you will never have a clogged network. That's the whole point of big blocks.

Sucks to suck with 1 mb blocks huh? Not only did you choke your network, you celebrated it.

>>16912473
Bitcoin has had more daily tx than BTC for many months already

>>16912788
Forgot pic

And the best part is, if you choose BCH for the task instead of BSV you won't be sending the money on a deliverately-low-liquidity pump and dump shitcoin.

>>16908151
i can do that with paypal and it doesnt cost anything

>>16912817
Haha Btrash

>>16912832
Kek, this

>>16912832
>i can do that with paypal and it doesnt cost anything

>>16908151
>non-custodial
It's all custodial. It's just a normal service labelled as crypto.
You should compare this app with similar services like Revolut, it's not crypto.

>>16912832
this

>>16912832
>>16912854
How fucking dumb are you?

- Paypal uses fiat - shitty inflationary paper currency
- is a centralized company who can and does censor you for political reasons
- They can block transactions and close accounts for any reason or no reason
- Paypal depends on bank processing times to load money in and out. This also has a fee. If you use card you are also charged substantial fees.
- Paypal can not do microtransactions

You missed the point of a blockchain entirely. Find a different industry because you are too retarded for this one.

The absolute state of block-the-stream niggers.

>>16912974
tl;dr, i'm glad you'll always be poor

>>16912974
>Bitcoin is a competitive system, and it was never about decentralisation
>The myth attacking Bitcoin as a socialist cancer has moved to a new collectivist lie: the myth of “permission-less.”
BSV is a deliberately centralized system that you need permission to use. It has nothing to do with crypto, it's just a database service run by an idiot.

>>16912974
The security concerns you mention are the reasons why I use BTC over BSV.

>>16912974
>- Paypal uses fiat - shitty inflationary paper currency
Buttcoin is also inflationary. If you think it isn't you're a dumb retard who doesn't know how PoW works.
>- is a centralized company who can and does censor you for political reasons
Handcash is also centralized and operates as a middle man.
>- They can block transactions and close accounts for any reason or no reason
Handcash can exit scam and take away all your butts, and you won't even be able to sue them.
>- Paypal depends on bank processing times to load money in and out. This also has a fee. If you use card you are also charged substantial fees.
Paypal is instant, if you are using onchain transaction with buttcoin fees are gonna melt your face.
>- Paypal can not do microtransactions
Simply not true.
Kys pajeet. No one wants your bags.

>>16912947
It's non-custodial. Your money is not deposited with Handcash, all transactions are on chain. The wallet is just the UI that handles the transactions.

The minds of corecucks are shattered as they fail to grasp the potential of Bitcoin without their sabotage.

>>16912994
False. You are 100% retarded.

>>16913050
>on chain
On a chain that's designed not to be decentralized or permissionless. It's under full control of the scammers and they pretend that's a good thing. BSV does nothing.
https://medium.com/@craig_10243/myths-of-permission-less-d39b4af7ad9d

>>16913050
And this comes with security costs that we are unwilling to pay.

>>16913032
>Because handcash is the only wallet available.....

You are absolutely seething. Handcash is a wallet UI for the blockchain. No different than any other wallet. You can have your same address on handcash, moneybutton, simply cash or w.e

Stupid core cucks

>>16912998
enjoy your 50$ transaction fees

>>16913083
Enjoy pretending your scam has anything to do with cryptocurrencies.

>>16908547
>>16912381
are you guys fucking retarded?
BSV has been shilled nonstop here in the last year and you never bothered to do 5 minutes of research
you probably dont even realize that nchain has almost 1,000 blockchain patents and owns pretty much everything in this tech thats worth a shit.
jesus christ you retards probably havent even accumulated 21 BSV yet. mouth breathers like you deserve to stay poor desu

>>16913032
>Buttcoin is also inflationary. If you think it isn't you're a dumb retard who doesn't know how PoW works.
No one can arbitrarily inflate Bitcoin. There's no printing money on Bitcoin. There is no QE on Bitcoin. Welcome to Crypto, I see this is your first day.

>Handcash is also centralized and operates as a middle man
They never have access to your funds, wallet is non-custodial.

>Paypal is instant, if you are using onchain transaction with buttcoin fees are gonna melt your face.
Fake news, all transactions are on chain, and the average transaction fee on BitcoinSV is: $0.0018 USD

> Paypal can not do microtransactions
>Simply not true.

0.01 USD is the minimum amount you can send, but receiver will get zero ( as paypal taking fee by 0.01 * 4.4% + 0.3 USD Per Transaction)

No microtransactions on Paypal, sorry.

>>16913099
It is Bitcoin.

>>16913128
Don't be rude to people who take an interest and want to learn. This space is filled with disinfo and propaganda, if you are new it's difficult to find real info.

There are tons of centralized coins like this pajeet, shill harder

fucking digibyte was faster than this

>>16913184
False, and you are also very butthurt.

>>16913128
>never even heard of patent trolling before
>>16913171
Let's say it is, it doesn't matter when it doesn't do any of the things that makes Bitcoin interesting. It's completely useless except to extract money from retards who don't understand anything like you.
If Craig had originally released BSV as it is now nobody would have cared because it's an irrelevant and useless centralized scam like a million before it.

>>16913180
>if you are new it's difficult to find real info.
there were multiple shill threads here literally every single day for the last year. I dont even know why you bother putting this info out there desu most people deserve to stay poor just look at the kinds of replies you are getting.

>>16913180
>Don't be rude
We are way past that. You're a criminal scammer participating in a crime. Ignorance is not an excuse. 4chan logs will eventually be subpoenaed and you will be brought to justice for the damage you've caused.

>>16913223
It literally does all the things that make Bitcoin interesting. You know, P2P electronic cash, the title of the Bitcoin white paper.

Instant, basically free, easy to use, reliable, secure with with no middle men or centralized party in charge of your transactions.

Nice cope though.

>>16913246
Please KYS you fucking schizo

>>16913271
>with no middle men or centralized party
That's not true even according to Craig. Decentralization is just a socialist meme now. It's all about handing complete control over to people you can trust like Craig so he can protect you against the bad people.
>>16913289
So fucking dumb it hurts.

>>16913271
Did you know most posters that pretend to agree with you are trolling. Around 90% of pro-BSV posters find it hilarious that anyone could ever be as dumb as you.

>>16913367
You have yet to make a single good argument, just eternal cope and crying the little bitch you are.

Imagine making full nodes verify these 1cent UTXOs forever. But I guess since Calvin is the only person with any nodes I guess it doesn't matter right?

>>16913415
It's called Bitcoin. You should read the white paper.

>>16913412
To construct an argument we have to agree on some premises. You aren't capable of grasping any of the premises of crypto so there's no common point of reference to build from. I can't put myself in the shoes of someone so retarded he invests in things he has absolutely no grasp of. It's probably a cultural thing since I'm not Indian or Pakistani.

>>16913441
Where does Satoshi say that Bitcoin transactions are supposed to be cheap?
Why did Satoshi implement a minimum fee if BItcoin transactions were supposed to be cheap?

>>16913441
Do you run a node?

>>16908151
This looks sweet what BTC wallet is this, i tried to send with my ledger and it wants to charge me like $3 to transfer wtf

>>16913503
>It's probably a cultural thing since I'm not Indian or Pakistani

I can tell that you certainly are, Ranjit. You aren't fooling anyone here.

Now curry along while civilized people talk about technology.

>>16913540
Sorry not possible on the Ponzi crippled version of Bitcoin called BTC

>>16913633
Why do you go on internet forums claiming that decentralization is valued by BSV when the creator and autocrat of the project says decentralization is for faggots?
What's misfiring in your brain right now? Are you really falling for the scam or falling for the scam that you can make money by pretending it's not a scam? The second idea was once true but not anymore. The P&D is over now and Craig's going to jail.

>>16913699
>Open Bitcoin White Paper
>CTRL+F
>"Decentralize" "Decentralise"
>0 Results found

Decentralization is a dumbass meme made up by coretards. Bitcoin is a distributed system, meaning there is no central authority making decisions, nor is there one central point of failure.

The entire clownshow of having every user be a node is not only completely retarded, it was never designed that way in the first place.

Consider yourself schooled. Also your cope narratives are hilarious to me. Do you cry yourself to sleep at night because of big bad man Craig? Did he touch you inappropriately or something? Get over yourself, you are an adult. Behave like it.

Looking forward to more coping from you.

>>16913925
You can't be consistent or honest because that would expose the scam. The question is are you deluding yourself or just trying to delude others? It's hard to believe people this dumb exist even if they're pajeets.

>>16913958
Why did you change the subject Greg?

>>16913958
You sound way more like the scammer to me.

>>16913958
what the f is wrong with you core cucks?

>>16913984
You went through some painful to watch mental gymnastics to subvert the term "decentralization" to make it seem like a centrally controlled database is equivalent to a censorship resistant ledger like BTC. I noted that you can't address anything because you don't understand anything. The only angle you can even think to take is spreading confusion.

Your picture demonstrates the complete lack of understanding Craig has. If it's just another system that you enforce through law there is nothing Bitcoin adds. What this retard claims Bitcoin is existed 30 years before Bitcoin and that's only one small part of the reason why none of his patents can ever be enforced.

>>16914116
Everything you say is the most retarded nonsense I have ever heard. Just stop posting dude and let actual smart people discuss crypto.

>>16914129
>discuss crypto.
You aren't a part of crypto. You're a cult around some guy with a database service.

>>16914160
>pee pee poo poo
Time to get off the internet timmy.

>>16908888
Checked

>>16914181
>secure with with no middle men or centralized party in charge of your transactions.
Why lie? Your cult leader says this is false. It's supposed to be centrally controlled and regulated by local authorities like the Saudi Arabian Sharia police.
BSV isn't crypto, why pretend it is except to make money?
BSV has no value. I have no reason to buy BSV ever, nobody does and nobody ever will. BSV fags think the same applies to BTC because they simply don't grasp anything about crypto.

>>16914296
You are a criminal nigger and want a blockchain you can do crime with, I get it.

Craig is a cop, and he's going to put you in jail for whatever degenerate shit you've done. I get your eternal cope dude, it's really really transparent. Hope the jail cell will be the opposite of comfy.

>>16914296
>14 posts by this id
thank you for your tireless service, madlad

>>16908888
why the hell would I need to send money to 200 people from my phone

>>16914522
The current monetary system is run by criminals. Being an atheist is a crime in Saudi Arabia.
You're helping to shut down the only force countering the criminal world order. The only thing that will finally allow us to go past the ice wall in Antarctica to other worlds.

>>16908266
Pajeet doesn't know what he's scamming about. Classic element of racial comedy. Now comes the part where we throw our heads back and laugh. Ready?

>>16914546
I can think of many reasons.

>>16914615
Bitcoin will stop crime both in and out of governments. And it will stop satanic pedophiles like you Greg. Thats why you are here crying like a fag that Bitcoin can't be stopped.

Cope.

>>16914673
BSV won't do anything because it doesn't do anything. There's no tech needed to accomplish nothing. I can use a pumpkin instead and get all the benefits of BSV while I write my apps using a traditional database.

>>16914715

your little cuck coin will just cease to exist after genesis upgrade

>>16914654
Name them.

I'm so glad Craig can spend all this money on stupid legal shit rather than trying to push adoption with his coin in the public. That's a project I know that _I_ want to be involved with. Thanks, Craig!