/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16811713
>is there anything that could make you disbelieve that CSW is Satoshi
No

is coinbase selling sv yet?

>>16811713
i ask myself the same question since the day i browse here.

they always move the date further, if its not january 1st, its now the 8th of february. and this has happened so many times already that i came to the conclusion that their believe is too strong ( or the money they recieve)

>>16811713
wont proceed against McCormack. He has zero chance of success, too much too lose and his 'case' sucks dick - 'Rusty Staples', etc
>when he loses to Kleiman
already lost - just spinning out the inevitable now
>Even if he makes some lame excuse or tells a tall tale
new day, same ole shit, in other words
>>16811746
lol

Sign genesis block: CSW is not SN

>>16811713
You act like people in the BSV camp are the dellusional ones, yet you start of with an assumption that he isn't is a proven fact. This shows how you are in fact the dellusional one unwilling to consider other evidence. Sad.

>>16811958
What evidence? All he has done is present forged documents and told tales in court no one believes as evidenced by court documents you deluded Jeet. He cried in court like a retard, he keeps pushing back the date of his promises, he was 99.99% confident the price would be $1200 eoy bwahahah, how could you possible trust someone who is that confident and that wrong? That is the literal definition of being fucking delusional

if he declares he is not satoshi
or
(doesnt come up with some really solid legal evidence) and (
if he still hasnt shown some crytpographic proof by 2023)
i will suspect something might be up

>>16812290
kek if true

better question is there any BSVer who isn't a pajeet

>>16811713

You lost, now fuck off.

STIFF

>>16811794
You're fucked, Greg

>>16811739
>>16812479
toad you it's a fucking cult of brainlets nothing will sway them they will stiff it to $5

>>16812025
>Believing the forced core narrative
Stay poor

>>16812452
Based anon asking the real questions

>>16811713
It doesn't matter if CSW is Satoshi or not. What matters is adoption, building apps, and mining bigger blocks. After genesis update, protocol will be set in stone, and CSW won't hold any power over BitCoin in terms of it's technology.

>>16811713

Being Satoshi has nothing to do with proving with signing with keys or whatever... if you believe that you don't understand the nature of Bitcoin and proof of work. It is completely irrelevant whether Craig "really" was Satoshi or not. The fact is, he is doing the important work now to scale Bitcoin. So, he either is Satoshi, or is better than Satoshi as Satoshi seems to have abandoned the Bitcoin project.

>>16812479
>>16812497
>>16812508
>>16812520
>>16812535
BTC will never ever be usurped by BSV. Sorry, but it's the facts. For the simple reason that nobody NEEDS BSV. It solves a problem that doesn't exist.

STIFF

thank u sirtoshi please come again

>>16812560
Really? That's the best you can do?

STIFF!!! ehehe
ahah STIFF BSV $1200 STIFF STIFFFFFF
STIIIIFff sTIFF SSTIFFFTIF

>>16812636
Why do I "need" to do anything? The market is speaking for itself. You think your patents can kill bitcoin?

just lol

>>16811746
They're too busy selling premined shitcoins like xrp and link.

>>16812560
That's rich. Segwit is the usurper, you mong. BTC is not a cash system, it's not Bitcoin at all.

>>16812676
It doesn't "need" to be a cash system because it's evolved past it. It doesn't NEED to be "BITCOIN" in some abstract thing Craig pulled from his ass.

Sorry, but if you think Bitcoin right now is trying to be a cash system, and that's why people are flocking to it, you're a retard and fail to see the big picture. How many times have faggots thrown this same shit at bitcoin in an attempt to change it. Do you think there's some invisible force in the world stopping Bitcoin from dying? kek

>>16812676
what bitcoin is:
- a trustless permissionless publicly auditable ledger that is also secure
- a non-custodial peer-to-peer electronic payment system
- a network of nodes enforcing a common ruleset shaping a common reality in a trustless manner
- the longest blockchain under the consensus ruleset with the largest commulative hash proven by a specific form of proof of work
- a protocol that describes how consensus is reached on ordering transactions and how difficulty and coinbase supply adjusts over time
- a greater consensus on the ruleset that governs the protocol
- a standard reference client implementation created by nakamoto and maintained as an open source project
- an unspent transaction output spendable to a script returning true

what bitcoin is not:
- a whitepaper
- a gargantuan garbage dump of stale data stored immutably forever
- whatever satoshi said in a forum post
- whatever faketoshi dreams up in delirium
- whatever sv jeets shrill and rave about currently

>>16812699
>It doesn't "need" to be a cash system because it's evolved past it. It doesn't NEED to be "BITCOIN"

I agree. Segshit with some buggy banking application called LN doesn't "need" to be Bitcoin, because it's not. I have no fucking idea what it's suppose to be aside from worthless. I do know Bitcoin though and I'm going to go ahead and use that, not a forced banking application that settles on Segshitcoin and regularly loses people money.

>>16812716
this is pretty good. Gonna start posting it in other threads anon, this is the type of facts that makes jeets SEETHE. But at the end of the day, BSV is just trying to solve the same problem everyone else was right after Buttcoins. Bitcoin is one of a kind. Maybe not perfect, but sound in what it does well.

>>16812762
here is an other one


here is a multi choice question:
what can you spend as per the bitcoin protocol?
a) signatures, bitcoin is a chain of signatures so i can spend signatures with signatures
b) an unspent transaction output provided you add a valid unlock script that executes to true
c) i'm a cashie retard so the whitepaper!


>digital coin is defined as a chain of digital signatures
a bitcoin is an utxo not a chain of signatures. nor was it ever since first release. satoshi wrote that paper in 2007 but in the first release he already added scripting and smart contract support.
>Segwit breaks the chain of digital signatures
no. the witness is segregated to an extension block which is merely a transaction structuring decision with several obvious advantages but the signature is still there when it needs to be.
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/9b0fc92260312ce44e74ef369f5c66bbb85848f2eddd5a7a1cde251e54ccfdd5
there is no chain of signatures it's just an utxo, but it takes a special kind of retard to say it's not bitcoin.

>>16812822
Based. Glad there are good posters on here. I do think a "second layer" solution will still come up eventually, but I'm not sure what that wlll look like quite yet. Maybe in the form of things like Crypto.com where you use your bitcoin as collateral as payments, or maybe Lightning will eventually come across. but I don't think Bitcoin itself will EVER disappear because of exactly what you said. I liked the idea that Bitcoin transactions will be for larger firms to settle accounts, sort of like a digital gold.

>mfw jeets are all quiet now

>>16811713
if somebody else shows proof of satoshi (signature/moving coins or showing very in depth understanding of the early days and fundamentals).

So far he is the most likely satoshi out there, i knew it since he first came out of the shadows. Satoshi might have been a group, at least a duo, but theres no way he wasnt involved in the early days. You dont just get that much nowledge about everything bitcoin and come out like that without satoshi or someone from his circle and early adopters disproving it.

In the end i dont care if hes satoshi as long as someone keeps the original bitcoin vision around and allows it to be a scalable and stable protocol.
Is he a "fraud"? Yes, he has forged many documents and lied, but the dude has been running several businesses and borderline illegal/secret operations, you dont get there without documen forgeries. I run a small company with just one employer and there is not a single contract so far, or bookkeeping that we havent backdated or forged. Thats just the nature of doing business.
As a sperg can also be quite unlikeable as he's not the best at dealing with people, but what matters is what hes doing and achieving which is incredible and the fundamentals of bsv which is clearly the best crypto out there. The one and only bitcoin

>>16811713
Why do you care so much? If its all so obviously a scam then you have nothing to worry about.

But here you are. Cope posting, frustrated with tears in your eyes.

>>16812911
>Lightning is a "layer"

It's literally just a middle man interjecting itself between users and the blockchain. It's banks derailing a new technology to stay in power the way they are today. LN is not Bitcoin, it has nothing to do with bitcoin and shares none of the features of Bitcoin.

>>16813380
Yeah, it doesn't. It's not bitcoin. Thanks for the observation you retard.

Not everything NEEDS to be bitcoin.

>>16813385
Do you actually hear yourself?

If it's not Bitcoin, then what the fuck is the benefit or point of using it?

>>16813419
Because it's a way to use bitcoin. Keep up, anon. Visa also isn't bitcoin, but I used my crypto,com card to buy a coffee either way today.

>>16811713
It’s easy, retards like you show us the way, we feed in your delusional seething now and did always the opposite of what a hypocrite like you does.

>>16813380
BTC can't scale for micropayments unless an offchain layer is available to do so. Hence, Lightning Network. The question is, is Lightning Network okay to use without worrying about losing bitcoins, channels (hubs) closing, and adoption taking place.

Bitcoin SV is built to scale and put millions of tx/s onchain. BTC is built to be digital gold.

>>16811746
No because guess what? Roger is an investor in coinbase and he without a doubt has influence over brian armstrong. It wouldnt suprise me if they were fuck buddies. Erik vorhees, mark karpeles and brian are all gay so is roger

>>16813424
>Because it's a way to use bitcoin
You aren't using Bitcoin. Your using a 3rd party application that settles on BTC. All of which as I have already explained doesn't have any of the features of Bitcoin. Meaning there is no sound cash system. You're falling for banker schemes with literal extra steps and it's just embarrassing at this point.

>>16813431
>BTC can't scale for micropayments unless an offchain layer
If you can't scale the chain and use the chain as intended then there is absolutely no point in using blockchain technology AT ALL because you're not getting any of the benefits from it. How do you people not see this?

>BTC is built to be digital gold
If you say so. Bitcoin on the other hand is a peer to peer cash system that also works as a "digital gold".

>>16813438
>they're a bigger homo ring than bsv !!!
well, actually I suspect coinbase maybe refuse to touch toxic shite like bsv as they consider it a scam piece of shit trashcoin run by obvious fraudsters. But you think what you like dear. JUST as well, no filthy homos or sexual deviants in your coin of choice

>>16813466
>coinbase maybe refuse to touch toxic shite like bsv as they consider it a scam piece of shit

Coinbase literally sells XRP and LINK, as well as plenty of other complete shitcoins. Roger Ver's website has fucking HEX.

Not being associated with these people is a good thing.

>>16813448
there is literally nothing wrong with using BTC to settle transactions. BSV can't compete with any other payment system that the big boys use, yet you're telling me I should use it because "well at least it's better than Buttcoins?" Lol get some fucking perspective you mongoloid holy fuck. Bitcoin is great BECAUSE you can be your own bank, but it's greater because it's a sound monetary system with a public ledger that forces accountability. Maybe Satoshi (whoever he is and I'm not gonna play the muh craig game with you pajeet) intended it to be a payment system for simple transactions. And as far as that is the case, that's what it is still. But, in its current state, it makes an EXCELLENT way to settle funds between larger financial institutions. Because you can settle millions of dollars of transactions in a matter of time vs loading a truck up with gold and sending it over.

Do you think when you use an exchange to buy and trade crypto, things are moving between wallets? Because they're not. They're locked away and only returned to you when you withdraw. But we still use it and accept it because we need a 3rd party solution to do so, despite it being EXTREMELY centralizing.

Banks are a necessary evil, but BTC is a fantastic tool to force accountability in the financial institution. It is DIGITAL GOLD. That's why blocks need to remain small, why the technology needs to be simple, and the network needs to be large. Large blocksizes are INHERENTLY the most centralizing thing about any currency. if Craig is really Bitcoin, I'm fucking glad it got adopted in its current state before he could implement all of this dumb fuckin' shit on MUH BLOCKCHAIN that only a retard would use over anything else that does it literally 100x better.

>>16813485
and Binance et al. - also a Conspiracy of Chink Arse Bandits, one presumes. Still, as you note, who needs the biggest marketplaces anyway. When the conditions for listing and not being shunned by all would stop creg being an irredeemable piece of toxic shite for a day, I can understand, such can NEVER be met

>>16813496
>it's greater because it's a sound monetary system with a public ledger that forces accountability
>shilling Lightning Network

All they do is settle on BTC. Again you are still not fucking getting it. Using Lightning for payments is not using Bitcoin. How BTC is settled depends on what happens on Lightning, not BTC. Do you fucking get it yet? This isn't a sound money system.

>Because you can settle millions of dollars of transactions in a matter of time vs loading a truck up with gold and sending it over.
Lightning is a contemporary banking network. Hubs and channels will be settling once a month at best.

>the technology needs to be simple
>segwit
>LN

>Large blocksizes are INHERENTLY the most centralizing
They aren't. Nodes mining small blocks already are like pic related. Internet and storage costs are drop in the bucket. If your argument is hobbyists then lmao

>>16813526
Despite being suppressed BSV is still gaining against top ten coins listed on all of these exchanges. So if a shitcoin exchange wants to lose out on that it's their problem, not mine. Bitcoin still wins.

>>16813555
>All they do is settle on BTC. Again you are still not fucking getting it. Using Lightning for payments is not using Bitcoin. How BTC is settled depends on what happens on Lightning, not BTC. Do you fucking get it yet? This isn't a sound money system.
and that's okay. use bitcoin then. Lightning doesn't HAVE to be the answer. YOU CAN'T USE ANY CRYPTO AT THE STORE EITHER. You are DOOMED to use 3rd party solutions. The BEST solution is a global standard currency with multiple 3rd party solutions. Take the Unix pill, friend.

>Lightning is a contemporary banking network. Hubs and channels will be settling once a month at best.
Speculation. There's no hard data on how large financial instutitions, but you're way off the mark if you think that that this is happening on a month to month basis AT BEST.

>segwit
>LN
never said that they were the end all solution, but I've been pleased with what I've seen out of Lightning, personally. It's not going to be simple until it is finished.

>They aren't. Nodes mining small blocks already are like pic related. Internet and storage costs are drop in the bucket. If your argument is hobbyists then lmao
Yes, my argument IS hobbyists. Bitcoin is a currency of and for the people. What's the fucking point if the common man can't run the software? I'll use cash, or my visa card and normies, because I don't gain anything from transacting with something run by people who are still big but not quite as big as JPMC or some shit.

Bitcoin is secure, sound, and easy to use. Solutions will come that make it easier to use. Maybe not tomorrow, but no other coin will ever have the trust it has.

>>16813620
>Speculation
You don't even know your own shitcoin.

>never said that they were the end all solution
Then you have no solutions and your shitcoin is going to zero.

>Yes, my argument IS hobbyists
Then we're done here. I'm talking about Bitcoin and you're talking about about something to tinker with. BTC can't scale and the only offered up solutions defeat the point of the technology. Enjoy losing.

>>16813654
Thanks, I will enjoy losing. BSV isn't competing with BTC, it's competing with all the other alts. Hope you can keep up!

>>16812716
I love that you guys think anyone gives a shit about any of that. BTC is alive because of chinks in a frenzy saying
> Buy BTC and get a big big money!!

>>16813718
then why are we here? Just to suffer?

>>16813676
>>16813496
based anime poster