/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16796775
smart but stupid

>>16796775
>Do you buy his parents narrative that he was set up?
no, that's bullshit. however, he is based for making my btc bags moon
>Or was he just a sheltered lolbertarian that got way over his head?
yes
>Will we ever see an anonymous marketplace on the scale of Silk Road in our lives again?
it was never anonymous to begin with, it was just a novelty that the feds eventually caught up with

>>16796775
plot twist: Craig Wright was the mastermind behind silk road and Ross was just the fall guy. now Craig is smearing him 24/7 hoping the evidence will never point to him.

>>16796775
he didndo nothing

>>16796775
They threw the book at the dude. I can't believe they give him life and pedos like 2 years.

>>16796775
>What Are Your Thoughts on Ross Ulbricht
Free Ross.
>And the Silk Road?
I miss that lil nigga like you wouldn't believe.

>>16796775
There’s plenty of darknet markets, most exit scam though.

>>16796842
My friend told me a story, it was second or third hand when I heard it from him, but the gist was a guy went to jail for 26 years for financial crimes, and in jail met another guy that was in for 13 for killing his niece.

>>16796775
he paid to have someone tortured and killed right? might have been set up but he at least wanted the guy killed didn't he?

He deserved

>>16796775
People who kidnap, rape, and mutilate children by the thousands walk free and are given awards while Ross gets life for making drug deals safer. You do the fucking math.

>>16796933
pre-meditation is likely the cause of that discrepancy. the finance guy was cunning and cold-blooded, the murderer was quite probably a violent moron who lashed out

>>16796997
yes he paid for multiple assassinations however it's somewhat important to note both were faked hits and that ultimately no one died. the intent was still there though.

>>16796775
>What Are Your Thoughts on Ross Ulbricht?
Sounds like he did it, his beginning op sec was poor.
> And the Silk Road?
Fuckin awesome, Thanks Ross for making it possible to find drugs I'd never even heard of including Crypto
>Do you buy his parents narrative that he was set up?
Not sure I believe the murder stuff, why would he stay in Burgerland? Its the worst place to set up shop, he's fuckin with the CIA slush fund.
Wasn't he though? the cops posing a cartel. Delusion is powerful, especially in parents.
>Or was he just a sheltered lolbertarian that got way over his head?
Something like this
>Will we ever see an anonymous marketplace on the scale of Silk Road in our lives again?
I've never used the new ones, only SR. I'd say yes, but we know who'd be funding it.

>>16797078
maybe those people should have just paid the money they owed for the product they received

>>16797136
>his beginning op sec was poor.
it was nonexistent lmao, dude posted his legit email on a fucking chat forum right?

>>16796775
Free Ross!

>>16797141
the FBI had corrupt agents playing with ross
one stole customer information or staged a big drug rip off and the other suggested he stage a hit
those 2 agents tried to steal 1000s of bitcoin and flee the united states to the islands and were caught
both agents got 8 years in prison
but their testimony still stood in court to convict ross

it's been a long time since I reviewed this story, but when I was following it more closely, I was of the opinion that Mark Karpales was likely the OG DPR, or one of them, and set Ross up as fall guy.

>>16797158
shroomery he was growing mushrooms as the 1st vendor on the road and promoted it there first

>>16797189
there was a mt gox account affiliated with silk road to hedge volatility when bitcoins were in escrow
I don't think mark was directly involved though

>>16797180
pretty sure those two were involved with some of the exchange "hacks" back in the day two. I forget the details, but there was one exchange dev who sent out the "we were hacked, sorry, your money is gone." email then disappeared. he made a series of posts saying later that one of the FBI agents involved in the Ross bust was trying to shake him down so he closed shop and disappeared. claims the FBI agent did the same thing to another exchange earlier. the old days were fucking wild.

i remember when it used to feel dangerous to own BTC...like you were going to get threatened with some weird charges like conspiracy to overthrow the government or something.

>>16797210
lol I believe it
the computer guys at the FBI are cowboys and don't follow any laws
the courts are corrupt they don't know the difference
there's evidence of a 3rd FBI agent who stole from silkroad and got away but I haven't seen it the defense has all that forensics data and chat logs

>>16797180
>those 2 agents tried to steal 1000s of bitcoin and flee the united states to the islands and were caught
I forgot all about this!
>their testimony still stood in court to convict ross
Probably got a sweet plea
>>16797210
Dam good way of justifying the exit scam, but believable.

>>16797245
ross was also offered a plea of 10 years to life up to the judges discretion
ross's attorney said give us some guarantee it'll be 10 years or something reasonable but they didn't
so that's why they went to trial and got btfo
and the judge said at sentencing because you don't seem sorry and you hold these ideologies of no government free markets we're throwing the book at you

in hindsight ross's mom said they would have taken to 10 to life deal because it would leave the door open for a chance at parole one day which they don't have now
only a presidential pardon will get ross out
which when you look at the shit like the memphis 3 and other murderers being set free ross should get a pardon one day if we meme it hard enough

>>16797245
the series of posts he made documenting his encounters with the agent made it one hell of a story. I remember a number of exchanges went dark around the same time....just a "sorry, we were hacked" email, then never a word again. back when a lot of the exchange devs were anonymous.

>>16797141
i mean i will agree with you that the punishment he received was way too harsh but the guy was far from a saint. he was a business man first and foremost and his actions convey that. any political ideology or social cause he tried to hide behind is at least partial bullshit. he wanted to make money, which he did. unfortunately he got a little too big for his britches though.

>>16797297

Charlie Kirk has tweeted quite a bit about Ross. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Trump could pardon him

>>16797320
>unfortunately he got a little too big for his britches though.
but the issue was the government fabricating a story, he didn't cause the problems that started the mess they got him on
yeah he made money and was proud of the enterprise, he was hosting a drug website and addicts got their drugs some probably OD'd
he's not a saint but he didn't actually kill anyone
people chose to use his forum to conduct business
it's like when people blame the 2nd amendment when a gun is used in the forum of the united states

>>16796775

prison as a punishment is a crime against humanity


>‘Prison is not for punishment in Sweden. We get people into better shape’
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/26/prison-sweden-not-punishment-nils-oberg

>>16797357
Not to mention, prevented a bunch of bad drug deals/ people getting shot.

>>16796997
>>16797078
Those charges were dropped

>be tor drug kingpin
>do all sorts of illegal shit and facilitate 10000 lifetimes of debauchery
>get busted
but im just a good little eagle scout! can i get a pardon???
he could have had a comfy wagie life. now he dies in jail as an example.

>>16796775

> Will we ever see an anonymous marketplace... again?

Although my dreams have ended
As I'd wished in weakened thought
Beyond me night is total
And through the collonades I walk

>>16797454
exactly! the silkroad was so safe the government had to fabricate some cartel nigger shit to justify arresting him

>>16797078
he should get the chair then

>>16797158
He asked coding questions on stackoverflow. Seriously.

>>16798528

So? You seek help where you think to receive it.

>>16798546
>You seek help where you think to receive it.
Who did say the opposite? I was only stating that his inexperience for such a project and naivety got him in prison.

>>16798633

>>16798643
>he got a stackoverflow badge tho
https://stackoverflow.com/help/badges/28/famous-question?userid=1249338

>>16796791

fpbp

Ok, I see, you'd all have been doing it much better, smarter, and without getting caught.
So why didn't you?
Why don't you?

>>16796845
Based. Have to agree with this.

>>16798939
Ross are you writing from jail? Why are you so salty? I don't understand your anger anon.
>without getting caught
To begin with, I would had not left a trial behind me. Or at least tried to.

>post on so
>include code sample the onion address of my project
>got call out by other users
C'mon, he wrote the onion address of Silk Road in the SO question.

There's an excellent two part wired.com article on him from a couple of years ago.
Free Ross.

>>16796775
Did he really try to order a hit on someone? The ad I saw on the hidden wiki way back in they day (don't know if it's still there) was so obviously fake/a scam for retards.

>>16798999

I am not Ross. How could I be? And to answer >>16799033

You do realize that 99.9% of contract killers are either scammers taking you money and that was it, or feds? It was always like that. No capable and skilled person takes the risk and kills someone for you for a few thousand. Maybe in Africa.

>>16799153
>How could I be?
They let you have computer time in jail. I don't know. You tell us.

>>16799209
No they don't. Not on internet

>>16796814
>plot twist: Craig Wright was the mastermind behind silk road and Ross was just the fall guy. now Craig is smearing him 24/7 hoping the evidence will never point to him.

>>16799209

Mutual sight, Mutual sound
Mutual struggle, for shared ground
It's safe, to say, they'll try to take from me
I'm just another one for them to break down
Steeped in denial, the daily grind
Dream of a world for me and my kind
It's safe in the alternative reality
So stick your standards where the sun doesn't shine

They're for themselves, it doesn't matter what they say
Promise the world then take it from you anyway
They'll break you down making your vision fadeaway
It's time to go: get outta my space
Welcome to a world where the air I breathe is mine
There's nothing to overwhelm me and nothing to cloud my mind

Be anyone, do anything I'd ever want to try
Time doesn't exist here, I will never die

Explain the reasons
It's not required, inside our minds
It's safe to try, no need to justify
Or take their guilt trip at the end of the line.
They're for themselves, it doesn't matter what they say

Promise the world then take it from you anyway
They'll break you down making your vision fadeaway
It's time to go: get off of my case!

Welcome to a world where the air I breathe is mine
There's nothing to overwhelm me and nothing to cloud my mind
Be anyone, do anything I'd ever want to try
Time doesn't exist here

It's time to go: get out of my face
Welcome to a world where the air I breathe is mine

We will never die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7HJnwRklEA

>>16798633
Imagine he might still be free if he knew how to program a little better. The butterfly effect is a bitch

>>16799209
Do you think they’ll let HIM have computer access

>>16796775
He reaped what he sowed.

What's the best market currently? Is it Empire Market?

He paid to have multiple people killed. Yes, they were fake hits but he clearly had the desire/intent to kill people

Forget about the website, he deserves the life sentence for that alone

>>16796775
probably a glownigger that never saw prison, also a manufactured event

>>16800103
whatchu kno bout that?
probably nothin

>>16796842

My buddy works with a guy who shot and killed his roommate during an argument. Just got angry and shot him. Court sentenced him to 10 years and he got out in 6.

Fucking murdered someone and spent less than a decade in prison for it. Meanwhile our government wants to "send a message" and put a guy like Ross behind bars forever.

Fuck the court system. Fuck America. And Fuck the ruling people that made this our reality.

>>16800178
He wasn't tried or convicted for any of that tho. The agents that put all that together were dirty

>>16800605
he paid for two separate hits, one which was staged by the feds, and another which was an elaborate scam carried out by a user on the silkroad. here is a good youtube video that goes more in depth on the assassinations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpMP6Nh3FvU

>>16801269
Yeah I know what the feds claim happened. They never took it to trial though and it wasn't part of his sentencing

>>16796775
Why do people shill so hard for this guy to get pardoned? You can't oversee a drug market the size of Silk Road and not expect at least 25 to life if you're caught.

>>16801403
because most of the sales were personal amounts of marijuana and ross didn't even sell them he just hosted a website on tor

>>16796775
>Will we ever see an anonymous marketplace on the scale of Silk Road in our lives again?

You realize there have been active clones running ever since, right?

>>16801415
The size of individual sales are irrelevant, if you set up a forum explicitly for selling illegal drugs you're going to be treated as if you were a kingpin under the law. I just don't get why people think he did absolutely nothing.

>>16796775
Safex

>>16801307
They didn't need to because he was so fked from everything else.

>>16801836
Safex is dead pajeet coin, McAfee distanced from the scam

>>16796775
>brainlet opsec
>gets scammed into attempting to assassinate 4 nonexistent people
>fights charges with retarded defence of 'it wasn't my website'

Yeah, this dude was asking for trouble. Everyone else involved in Silk Road and its clones only got a few years/months but lil' Ross had to LARP as a cartel boss

>>16796775
Gullible. Then again, he is just being made an example of.

>>16802918
Stay salty Joey/Eddie

>>16796775
he clearly tried to kill multiple people (who at the time he thought were real people) because they were threatening his perfect business.
As far as I'm concerned he was a selfish businessman that put his customer's identities over his own. Is this a good person? Idk. Idc.

>>16796775
>Will we ever see an anonymous marketplace on the scale of Silk Road in our lives again?
The darkmarkets that took over after the bust grew WAY bigger than SR ever was so yes.

>>16801483
>I just don't get why people think he did absolutely nothing.
They don't. They think he did nothing wrong

>>16801428
Laws protect owners in situations like this. Until you start cutting into CIA/FBI/Hollywood profits. See Kim Dotcom for example. Legally he did nothing wrong, people were misusing his product. They framed him and broke the law to do so.

>>16796775
He was too cocky. Had the mentality that he would never be caught, "fuck the stupid feds" type shit

Also Free Ross

For anyone complaining about his jail time. State doesn't care about someone's death but State take it seriously when you steal from it. Think about it, would you rather be angry at a guy who stole your favorite bike or angry at someone who killed someone on the road? Yes agreed you would be goddamn angry if the deceased was your relative but State don't have any relative. State is the abstract notion of God aka Satan aka The higher being.
Lesson: Don't steal from them.