/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16789160
Killing myself is inevitable

You don't make real friends after you leave university

>>16789160
take for yourself what you want before you think of your coworkers

>>16789160

get everything in writing

>>16789160
Don't live in it. There are many other ways to earn money and actually be able to spend it as opposed to wasting it on ascetic choices and showing off.

An employer will never tell you how much you are really worth to a company as he is afraid you might ask for a raise or a bonus..

>>16789160

Technical skills can only take you so far. Managers and leadership are usually not the smartest people in the room.

Charisma, soft skills, and ass kissing will make you the most money in the long run.

>>16789160
all women are whores

Virtually everyone is a lazy retard and deserves to be poor

>>16789171
You don't make 'real' friends before uni.

Never EVER have sex with a coworker, no matter how cute she is.

>>16789215
also this

1) Take care of yourself
2) never be selfless without securing a positive outcome for yourself

>>16789321
Why?

>>16789160
cut the costs

>>16789173
This is the most important thing in this thread
>>16789321
This would be a close second

>>16789321
I don't even talk to the girls I work with. Or any other girls kek

HR is cancer

Utilize your looks to get on people's good side, but don't ever act on it. Let the female manager think she's gonna be able to have sex with you and leave it at that. And always ask her for a raise with the door open.

>>16789160
A feeling that something needs to be changed.

>>16789160
Be wary of eloquent speakers. These people are the most adept at lying.

If someone talks shit about other people, it's likely they're talking shit about you too behind your back as well.

Never assume other people will help you.

>>16789168
fpbp

>>16789321
This is tip number 1

What if the sex is bad. What if she spreads rumours. What if she wants to hold it against you. What if you fizzle out and she starts fucking chad

Huge gamble though I did it and it worked out but she has your balls afterwards

>>16789573
>Never assume other people will help you.
Why?

>>16789215
Based

>>16789160
nice thread

>>16789573
>If someone talks shit about other people, it's likely they're talking shit about you too behind your back as well.
It should be obvious even in the kindergarden. Simple logic.
I think what is important is not letting this thought paralise you.
Like free yourself by not caring so much about what people say.

>>16789176
this. 10,000 times this.

>>16789524
This nigga knows.

>>16789573
>I'm a bottom feeder
See through the lie and use it to your advantage
Be the apex shittalker
Make people help you on your terms

>>16789303
you just realise this afterwards

>>16789321
Top cuck. I only regret not fucking more of them. The only thing I miss from the wagecucking days.

>>16789160
>lessons from one of the big ones

everything is a competition, even if it doesn't look like it, especially when it doesn't look like it

the only way to get ahead is to consistently win in all competitions. even though everybody gets a prize, first place gets to rub elbows.

don't mistake the system for the rules. you don't have to play by the rules, but you have to play by the system. use the system, and subvert the rules.

be a team player, but fight for yourself. Help others help you by helping them be excellent team players. Elevate your team with you, but don't be afraid to upgrade your team.

HR will always lie to you, and will always try to keep you down. Make friends with HR people that have nothing to do with you to get intel over your own HR. You have no leverage over your HR, and it's designed that way. The only possible way to exert pressure on your HR is to win competitions and be noticed by sempais.

>>16789650
> What if the sex is bad.
You are either good naturally, improve by practice or don't improve at all.

> What if she spreads rumours.
Your reputation rockets. If she'd be ashamed by fucking you, she wouldn't say a word to a single person.

> What if she wants to hold it against you.
Thot mate. She can't shame you. You fucked her. It would lower HER rating.
> What if you fizzle out and she starts fucking chad.
She will start doing Chad anyway. Still better getting pussy before than after him. You slightly cuck Chad if above is true.

Tldr have sex

Sympathize with your co-workers at times. Maybe the depressed co-worker or the ass kisser is going through hard times. Maybe they are working this shit job just like you to take care of their family, or to pay off dumb debt our clown world told them they need.

>>16789654
It's expectations. They have to take time out of their own work to help you. Do it too often for their comfort, and they'll view you negatively.

>>16789716
It's not always possible to see through a lie quickly. In my case, I didn't see it until about year later after my coworker had left.

>>16789160
Women are worthless pieces of shit, zero exceptions

>>16789864
> It's expectations. They have to take time out of their own work to help you. Do it too often for their comfort, and they'll view you negatively.
Sounds like a brainwash attempt.
Expect people to help you. How are people supposed to help you if you don't expect them to help you?
Yes, don't be manipulative, or it's better to say "don't be too manipulative".
Meaning to say "don't be too manipulative", but formulating it as "never assume other people to help you" - I don't know why you did that.

>>16789160
Don't hire blacks

>>16789160

Don't gossip.

Don't fuck anyone in the office.

Get everything in writing.

If someone is out to get you, record them.

Be a professional. Have integrity. Be reliable. Do what is best for yourself, but do what is best for others as well, as long it doesn't mean sacrificing your advancement.

>>16789321
I fucked a coworker a few times. And would do it again. Another one wants my nuts but I haven't done it. I just let her give me rides home from the bar. My gf is too suspicious so I have to keep it in my pants sometimes

>>16789921
>How are people supposed to help you if you don't expect them to help you?
And also I think that it shouldn't be an excuse to not help.
Like "he didn't expect me to help, so I didn't".
I'm talking about the situation when you should help another person, but that person doesn't expect you to help.

>>16789853
Bruh you don’t get it

I did exactly what you did and she loved me

But you still have a lot more “what ifs” than with fucking a non coworker. Besides it is a risk at your job that you dont have to take

>>16789160
Low tier bosses dont always understand capital allocation. As a worker I need to be tough and understand my own interests. Also negotitation skills. Other workers are also very likely to speak bullshit behind your back to bosses. Some wagies deserve their shit life.

You will find out how little those work "friends" really give a shit the day you decide to leave.

>>16789201
This.

In a few months I will be working in an IT office with lots of women. I know from my friends that they're mostly incompetent. How do I avoid being leeched off in case they ever tried??

I never had a friendship with a female. I know that they try to be polite and shit but it seems to be dishonesty to me and I genuinely hate that

>>16789960
>want to do it again
>gf suspicious so keep it in pants
If she trusts you enough to get rides home, make a move in the car. Perhaps she may do the needful.

>>16789921
>Sounds like a brainwash attempt.

It might be. At the company that I once worked at, there's a culture of "independence", which basically discourages people from asking questions unless they're very specific and could be answered in no more than a few sentences. Superficially, everyone is doing teamwork, but in reality, no one's really helping each other.

Other people will always disappoint you so if you can achieve success independently, do it

>>16789160
Life is suffering. Good human contact is the answer.

>>16790006
Obviously, if you're a good person and you have the time, you would want to help other people when they're struggling.

I find it very strange that there are people who would socialize and have lunch together, but it comes to work, it's "every man for himself".

>>16790072
Why don't you write that on the board? Or is discussing the culture also discouraged?

>>16789321
This advice only applies if you have a job that isn't entry level; cashier, waiter, etc.

>>16789210
Based

Don't reveal too much about your personal life or it'll be used against you.

>>16790117
After multiple burnouts I learned to stop helping others.
I also found out the people I spent years helping never helped me once in my own work...
It does not make sense for a healthy/gifted individual to help others without a shared goal/task.
If helping others has no positive impact on your own work, but costs you time and energy, you will sooner or later learn to only help people who are worth it (who will/can help you or have a common goal)
Helping others without a reason is a good way to attract parasites and help these people get undeserved credit for "their work" which ends up increasing your own burden and making your life harder on the long run.

This can be connected to the law of power 7:
GET OTHERS TO DO THE WORK FOR YOU, BUT ALWAYS TAKE THE CREDIT
Use the wisdom, knowledge, and legwork of other people to furtker your own cause. Not only will such assistance save you valuable time and energy, it will give you a godlike aura of efficiency and speed. In the end
your helpers will be forgotten and you will be remembered. Never do yourself what others can do for you.

>>16789160
Do unto others.

>>16789160

It's war

Management is often full of absolute retards who got their position by a) pure luck b) connections. The real pricks love to flex their power on you for no reason other than they can.

Ass kissing and faking productivity gets you way farther than actual "merit." Often, if you're too good at your job, management is more than happy to keep you there busting your ass while they sit back and do fuck all. Promising you a potential "promotion" and stringing you along for as long as possible.

>>16790059
This is why I dont even bother looking for office jobs. Imagine thinking helping coworkers is synonymous with getting "leached" off of. Its a goddamn desk job, son, jesus christ.

>>16790332
Do you want to end up in a system that does or does not encourage people helping each other?

I think there are more optimal rules than "create an atmosphere of war of everyone against all the others".

>>16789160
>The workplace is like high school where there are cliques and social groups and everyone is still stunted child that stopped learning or self improving

>Nobody gives a fuck where you went to college or what you studied in college

>If your boss is a micromanager, find another job.

>Never be 100% transparent with your co-wokers. There is always a snake lurking in the grass that wants to get ahead by any means necessary and will use whatever you tell them to sabotage you or get ahead

>Find 1 or 2 male co-workers that you can be actual bros with. Make sure they aren't snakes.

>Don't shit where you eat

>Never give the job your all. You are seen as nothing more than a cog in the machine (unless you are bros with your boss) and are wasting your energy in trying to be a perfectionist who gives it their full effort. You'll burn out and it will all be for naught.

>The less you give a shit, the more you'll climb the ladder

>Save your creative energy for a side hustle/business


Formerly a corporate drone. Work in IT now leading a group of wholesome nerds and doing cool shit.

>>16790333
Before they do unto you?

1) Be loyal to yourself and no one else.
2) Have an exit plan.

>>16789160
If you are worried you offer nothing to your company, write a proposal for a set of software development principles and pick a word your gay friends use a lot for the title of this collection of principles.

You will change the way software is developed for the next decade, and you will be lauded and promoted by your company and the industry at large.

>>16790444
Checked. Not only are they comically more transparent than they think they are, but their asshattery spawns a shit load of inefficeincy down the line.

>>16790453
>Find 1 or 2 male co-workers that you can be actual bros with. Make sure they aren't snakes.
Do you have an immunity against tribalism or it's inevitable that you become snake yourself?

>>16790507
Who "they"? I'm talking about systems and rules.

>>16790507
Are they transparent transparent? I think if you meet a totally transparent person, you can laugh, but you could get terrified or you could just not see it.

>>16790519
"they" referring to those who consciously make it a point to avoid helping people.

>>16790571
Why refer to a person as an "it"? Because they are transparent?

>>16790605
haha
idk, "him" or "her" sounds like I'm talking about a specific person.

>>16790511

Everyone becomes corrupted, that guy included. Only psychos say "cool stuff" re work

>>16790511
It's a snake eat snake world and becoming a snake is/was easy. The only times I resorted to being one was when I had to fight fire with fire against absolute retards who didn't know who they were fucking with or bratty roasties who tried to step out of line and get ahead at my (or innocent co-worker's) expense.

If you find the Chads or noble worker bees who aren't pushovers to create a pure tribe with, you can provide one another with protection and get ahead or go unbothered.

Like some anons have mentioned, most people deserve the shitty life they live as a result of their rotten behavior

>>16790470

We use agile SAFe sex

>>16790634
>>16790641

Woah look, who'd have thought? A sociopathic middle manager w little self awareness who takes credit for h1b pajeet's "cool stuff"

I'm convinced that the vast majority of managers don't want to deal with problems, even if it's in their interest to do so. And what happens is, employees that care about the company are the ones that get pushed and shoved around and thrown under the bus. Not giving a fuck about anything or anyone, showing a very baseline level of competence, and never sticking your head up (except when it makes your superior's jobs easier) is how you win.
That said, the deeper you dive into any large company the more you realize you've invested most of your life into something you don't care about. Like I said before, have an exit plan. Retiring or starting your own company at 40-50 is becoming the norm.

I want out so fucking bad. Everyone is a miserable fuck, especially the "high level executives"

>>16790660
Call me what you want mate but I take care of my own.

>>16790674
Leave. You're only living in agony because you want to. What industry are you in?

>>16790674
XRP will free you from your chains.

tell your co-workers about Tron and get everyone to buy in so they can think how cool and blockchainey you are.

>>16789160

>Money = Power

Even at the lower/middle class level. I had coworkers who had student debt and the corporation had them by the balls. Work on days off without extra pay? "Thank you for the opportunity to learn more." Commit fraud on our behalf? "Yessuh massa."

Meanwhile, I had no debt but was far from rich. I did my job, but still had limitations. Now that I have more and am closer to FI, I find myself naturally saying "the other N word" (no) more often.

>>16790641
> It's a snake eat snake world
Sounds like self-fulfilling prophecy.

Maybe if you say that it is, then it is for you, if you say that it isn't, then it isn't for you.

Getting ahead at someone's expense. What are you talking about? Give an hypothetical example.

Imagine you are in a team and there's a work to be done. The manager divides the work to portions and distributes those portions to workers.

Let's say there are 1000 bricks, 100 workers and 10 managers.

Where do snakes and getting ahead at someone's expense come from?

>>16789160

>DON'T
>TRUST
>DISNEY

>>16790740
The guy that stole all the construction equipment over night and sold it for $5000.

I know there's a lot of naive people here. Someone stole a nice old lady's jeweled rosary at work. The owner of the company buys us some nice treats or breakfast in the morning and it almost always disappears when nobody is looking. Someone stole my fucking $20 thermos on my day off. This is a high level engineering consultant company with the average person making $100k+. People are horrible.

>>16790641
And those of us who only became rotten after the world fucked us?

>>16790690

I'm working on my way out. I'd tell you to get out too but youre likely middle aged and stuck

I'm a programmer that also does sales now bc I'm a good looking tall white male with big peepee

Just spent the last two days in a conference room selling bullshit to a foreign megacorp

The majority of middle aged "made it" sales dudes are still wage slaves to their retarted lifestyles. Yesterday I watched my coworker spend 3 hours looking up restraunts during our boring ass meeting. The hedonic treadmill destroys people.

I need OUT

>>16790785
>>16790759
That's just plain theft.
They are talking about something more sophisticated.
Because theft could be avoided by having locks with keys.

>>16790814

Btw I'm stuck on the treadmill now too and will need to withdraw at least $200k ) yr at 2% return (bc 4% is some optimistic bullshit, our economy is a lie, and I'm gonna live to be 200)

>>16790740
>Getting ahead at someone's expense. What are you talking about? Give an hypothetical example.

I've experienced "adults" unironically playing the part of tattle-tale, talking shit, and gossiping about co-workers to higher ups to try to gain promotions, vacation time, raises, what have you.

"John does sloppy work. I deserve vacation time"

"Steve is always late. Did you know that he was late everyday last month? Pick me for the project instead"

"Mary dresses like shit. She wouldn't be cut out to meet with potential clients. Pick me instead"

"I think Mark is a pedo. Can't trust that guy. So how about a raise?"

All of these things were said viciously and unironically.

If this was banter in the trades (which I assume you are in due to your analogy), it would have been fucking hilarious. But these were adults in their 30's and 40's in a white collar setting. Some were married with kids.

>>16790824
People with 6 figure salaries are doing petty theft, but yeah let's trust them with our careers and multi million dollar decisions. I would write an essay if I had to go into the amount of backstabbing and unethical selfish bullshit I witness.
Also we lock our office doors and someone smashed through the walls with a sledge hammer to steal company info.

>>16789205
this. If you want to just do your job just freelance until you can start your own thing.

>>16789573
This 1000x.

>>16790814
I'm only 29 mate. I think it's safe to say that I can afford to climb some more while I scale my business and take an exit a few years down the line.

>>16790862

Eh good for you

I keep climbing too bc I can't help myself but I can tell it's psychologically harmful. Idk you're not much older than me. I hate the world

>>16789168
wow, I read through the entire thread and it is true, fp is the bp

>>16790151
this. low tier jobs people fuck all the time

>>16790840
> If this was banter in the trades (which I assume you are in due to your analogy)
I didn't understand this part.

>>16790875
>I keep climbing too bc I can't help myself but I can tell it's psychologically harmful

I know this feel man. You eventually get so good at playing the game that you just can't stop. Stay safe and be well fren.

>>16790114
Finding good human contact is easier said than done.

The same rules as in prison. Don't trust, don't beg, don't fear.

>>16790893
You gave a brick layer analogy and it made me think that you in the trades. The trades are known for max banter among colleagues.

>>16790895

Same 2u

>>16790918
> banter
> the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.
> talk or exchange remarks in a good-humored teasing way.
What does "The trades are known for max banter among colleagues" mean?

>>16790841

What the fuck do you work at Nigger Enterprises? I've never seen, nor heard of this happening anywhere I work. Nobody does anything at my office to protect their shit from theft and we never have this problem.

>>16790830
Based and life-extension pilled.

>>16790946
You have rough and tumble blue collar working class males taking the piss out of one another in anyway that they can.

>Brad: Chad, you're a cocksucking faggot and your mom should have spit you out you fucking faggot fudge packer

>Chad: Brad, your dad was a faggot, you grandaddy was a faggot, his daddy was a faggot, and so was his daddy. You come from a long line of faggots.

>Chad and Brad: pic related

All banter for the sake of comradery. All is well at the end of the day.

t. mason, electrician, and plumber friends from high school

>>16791009
Oh, I understand now.

>>16790840
Do programmers do that? My expectations is that they are too introverted to behave like that.

Don't let the company retard cater meals for a big meeting with the district boss

>>16791009
I sneezed when I read this.
Why didn't my soul fly away from this world with that sneeze? Why didn't I experience flying away?

>>16790840
i swear to god if this happens, i'm gonna jump ship.
>tfw truly the only way to get ahead is by switching firms
this wagie life, holy crap.

>>16790674
$10,000 into Holo right now sell at .10 cents

Screencap niggers I tried to help you before I start posting ABLOO BLOO

>>16791087
that makes you the retard, sport

>>16790511
Checked
I think you can find a few bro's at work. I met a few and even a roastie when I was beginning my career. Over time we've all been promoted and are now at different companies in the same industry and we compete in certain areas. We stuill look out for one another - have gotten jobs for one another - fucked over different divisions at our current companies so that the other guy could be a star.

Your enemies are more often your co-workers, your competitors can often be friends.

Vet them first. And if someone lets you down once - never trust them again.

Always bet on $BRAP

>>16790437
yeah, the cohesion of a team is aided by those who carry each others weight. I'm not the best at paying attention to certain daily business practices but I make up for it with an intense knowledge of the systems we use, and my willingness to help my peers with it.

I don't believe in perfection but if we all play to our strengths we as a whole can deliver excellence.

yeah i take pride in my waging fuck you. at least i can take pride in something

>>16791184
What are you talking about? Give examples.
Coworkers, enemies, friends, vet them first, if someone lets you down once - never trust them again, pure tribalism.

1000 bricks, 100 workers, 10 managers.
Just move the bricks from A to B.
What spy games are you talking about?
Give examples.

>>16791086
The brogrammers I work with banter heavy but not in this overly aggressive fashion. Geekier programmers "check mate" one another with sharp wit. Full blown autists use heavy cynicism and sarcasm that makes people unsure.

All males take part in this "sizing one another up" type of behavior.

>>16790059
You have to chastise them in a certain way or they will think you are weak. Don't be an incel freak about it. Be a courteous dick. You kind of have to make pretend that you are their dad and talk down to them a bit. "Stacy, I'm busy with something, make it fast." When you say "make it fast" they always perform a hasty little prance in your direction and tell you whatever small problem it is that they're facing. It's garbage, but you have to adapt and overcome.

>>16790645
See you at tomorrow morning's standup

>>16790332
bucket crab mentality

>>16791254
I guess teams differ. I felt uncomfortable in that "sizing one another up"-type of team.
There was one guy in the "superstar" role because of his knowledge.
Some other guy was talking to me and then started talking to him and it became obvious to me (maybe he did it intentionally) that he is trying to make it look like he is talking in two modes: when he is talking to me, he is talking to a mere mortal, a peasant, when he is talking to a "superstar" - it's like two superstars having a conversation. What I felt was a weird feeling, I think it was a mix of contradictory feelings.

The sociopaths at the top run things, and if you can learn powertalk and how to get what you want from others, you can be too. The only way to succeed is to use others as the rungs on your ladder.
If you're incapable of this, just give up and be a good got and show up to work half an hour early and kiss ass until you make it to middle-management, anything else is out of your reach.
This is a good power dynamic to learn in all forms it shows in, such as friend hierarchies and such.

>>16791364
I think there are people who think like that and who end up in this "snake eats snake" world.
And maybe there are people like you described who eventually gets eaten by a snake, so to speak.
And maybe there are people who are in other world, where snakes don't eat each other, but each snake does it's own thing, or they help each other.

>>16790470
HA, hilarious

>>16790392
>faking productivity
I was gonna mention this one. The reward for getting your shit done early is having more shit thrown at you, but getting your shit done late is met with penalties. The winning move is to get shit done early but pretend to get it done on time, and spend the few days between finishing and "finishing" doing whatever or studying something for a better job. Work from home schemes are a godsend for doing this.

>>16789160
The other one is something I began to notice a lot after someone in a /biz/ thread pointed it out. You'd assume that the main purpose for an enterprise to exist is to help whatever thing it's attached to, but in reality it exists to jerk off egos and waste time. If someone in a higher position than you tells you to do something inefficient, don't complain and just do that thing. You're still securing your bag once it's all over, there is zero reward for improving efficiency. If you're being swamped with inefficient assignments, you didn't follow my advise in the prior paragraph and need to start over with a new job.

>>16789160
Call in sick everyday.

>>16791350
get over it and prove yo ur worth. from one programmer to another ;^)

>>16791451
To be honest, I'm not sure if this profession needed anymore.
Like everything was already programmed, what is there to program?
I know I can switch to a full autist mode and just program for fun.
But programming the next big thing?
Or something that will become a product that I can sell?
I think I don't know how that works.
How those products get created from nothing.
I need to know what people need and what will they pay for. How will I know it? Like, asking a random person at the street "What program do you need?"

>>16789176
Ding ding ding!!
We have a winner.

kiss the right ass. make the right people love you, and from that point you can basically slack off and do fuck all and you will be immune. don't worry about pleasing everyone. just whoever is your immediate superior.

A lot of office work depends more on other people to perform their job first before you can do yours.

>>16791692
and I'd add that you should make sure to never be too high up or spread out along that chain. In other words, be a cog on the wheel but make sure not too much of the work load is dependent on you because then, naturally, you will have to do more work. Keep your head down unless you are sure that you will be noticed for the work. My career motto is slack off as much as possible unless a superior is watching. Not even because I'm lazy, I just love the idea of costing a company money.

>>16791009
So fucking true, I work in.a 50/50 male female semi corporate environment with too much female management and it’s toxic as fuck and absurdly inneficient.

Meanwhile I did training for a few days offsite at an entirely male location and it was glorious, the shit talk, the banter, work gets done without the fucking micro.

>>16791425
>faking productivity
I think if you said that you're going to finish the work at some point in time, and you finish it earlier and spend free time learning interesting stuff, someone can say that it's pretending or faking productivity, but someone can say that it' not.
Imagine you are doing some work and the work involves being in route (let's say in train) for several days. If you read something interesting while you are in train, are you pretending or faking productivity?
I think that's a downside of measuring productivity with time spent. Measuring "ass in the seat" time. When the work involves a lot of thinking, the worker needs some time to take a rest before switching contexts. When we have a rule that all the time between 9 am and 5 pm is a working time, is the worker supposed to instantly switch contexts? And if he takes time to rest, he is pretending and faking productivity? I think people differ in their ability to instantly switch contexts, I wonder how they do that, are they superhumans?

>>16791410
I'm just a loser. I have never worked hard in my life, and that's kept me down in the ranks, and frankly I don't intend on working hard either.

>>16790332
>I also found out the people I spent years helping never helped me once in my own work...

Obviously, if the help is one-sided, you'll have to stop letting yourself be a doormat. It shouldn't take years to find out. Unfortunately, some people have to learn it the hard way, like I did.

>Helping others without a reason is a good way to attract parasites and help these people get undeserved credit for "their work" which ends up increasing your own burden and making your life harder on the long run.

The reason is the expectation that they would help you in return in the future. If they don't reciprocate in anyway, then you need to cut them off. The reality is people are always using each other, but there's a difference between a mutually beneficial relationship and a parasitic one.

>GET OTHERS TO DO THE WORK FOR YOU, BUT ALWAYS TAKE THE CREDIT

This can work against you. People would remember what you've done. You may gain a short term advantage, but in the future, if you ever cross paths again the people you've stolen credit from and they're in a position where they have leverage over you, you might be in trouble.

>>16791759
I think it also involves the sense of attachment or ownership.
If you organize the work in such a way that it's like a treadmill, then you create a stream of boredom in the system. That's what they forget or don't see.
Make a worker see a bigger picture. Make him understand what is going on. Create a system in which the more you work, the more you get.
People are good at recognizing patterns. They recognize the treadmill pattern and get bored.

>>16791810
Loser, working hard, down in the ranks.
All those words are boring, don't you think?
It's like a treadmill attached to some mechanism that gives label (a rank) to a treadmill.
But it doesn't have to be that way.
I want to find a spot where the things I am passionate about meet the things I can make a living off.
It should feel like when a child plays with lego or something like that and forgets about everything else, the child doesn't feel how time passes, but at the same time the child enjoys the time spent.
It shouldn't feel like being stuck in a treadmill.
I think it have something to do with ownership, seeing the bigger picture, etc.

>>16791817
Obviously you have to not make it obvious that you "stole" the credit, even to the person you're doing it. In management circles they call it "leadership".

>>16791350
And there were two other guys in that team, one of them was asking questions, the other was answering to him and often it sounded like he is angry, like "oh, you again, leave me alone" type of thing. And this guy who was answering like that, he also was worshiping that "superstar".

It's like a cult or something, at the center of it - the superstar, and those who are closer to him (or think that they are closer) belittle those who they think are mere mortals.

If it was meant to incentivize being knowledgeable - I'm ok with honoring the knowledge and being skilled.
But maybe there is some more optimal way of doing that without creating streams of toxicity with those "we are superstars, and you are mere mortal" or "oh, not you again with your stupid questions, leave me alone" vibes.

Yous postin in this thread best be doing it on company time.

>>16790466
Listen to this.

Definitely bang as many co-workers as you can, if you aren't an Alpha you aren't making it anywhere in business.

>>16790453
Literally this.

>>16792111
You are late with your "literally this". Don't you see that conversation went far away from that point?

>>16789176
this
anyone dodging it is up to some fuckery

Avoid burning bridges even for enemies. The risk-reward is asymmetrical.

>>16791252
>10 managers
Now 15 because 10 workers were really good at ass kissing and got promoted, but 5 resigned. Because more managers, noe there are more departments
>100 workers
Now 90, so youre short staffed and each is now doing the work of 1.2 labourers because of new departments
>1000 bricks
Now 800 because of budget cuts due to more management and departments

And thats just the start. Eventually managers leave and workers now do 1.5x work because they dont replace the managers, because the budget needs to accomodate having to buy the 200 brickd it needed before

>>16792293
> Because more managers, noe there are more departments
But how do they decide to create more departments? Isn't it obvious that it doesn't make sense to create those departments?

It reminded me of Conway's Law:
> organizations which design systems ... are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations.

I stumbled upon a link to another article about Organizational theory. If there is such a field of research, maybe there are some rules or observations that make it easier to avoid typical mistakes when building and structuring organizations?

Like "don't create unneded departments when someone got promoted".

>>16789928
honk honk>>16789943

>>16792436
Youre assuming erroneously that its about getting shit done. Its not

>>16789160
Dont be a bitch

>>16789160
even friends will fuck you over.
cover your bases. get everything written down and be clear about what you want out of things.

>>16789160
Golden rule: you can't trust anyone

>>16791877
>I think it have something to do with ownership, seeing the bigger picture, etc.

This.

I love to build things. Humans do. All we ever did up until recently was build shelter and tend to farmland. The best I can do in my day job is design projects, come up with specs, and have the grunts do the work/implementation. It leaves me feeling slightly empty inside. In my side business (a multimedia company) I get to design projects, come up with specs, and implement/work everything out myself. Nothing beats the satisfaction of enjoying the fruits of your own labor after grinding it out for a few days or weeks on end.

The reason for why a lot of highly paid white collar workers in finance, sales, marketing, and other similar fields with a highly corporate feel have shitty, empty, and meaningless lives is because they aren't creating anything that's theirs. They're on the treadmill you're speaking of. See: >>16790814 and what his coworker does to cope. I've seen this play out time and time again.

>At old job as a salesman
>See co-worker who recently purchased a Porsche 911 turbo entering elevator
>Fucking sweet
>"Hey man. Hold the door!"
>Is quiet and looking a bit frantic while looking at his phone the entire way up to our floor
>Look over and see him fiddling with his phone and shitting bricks
>Bank of America and Chase accounts overdrawn
>Mfw I saved all my tendies and bought SPY and QQQ dips instead

>>16789321
>when you're a janitor/mail guy/courier that fucks mad bitches on the reg
It really do be like that sometimes.

>Be social, but within reason, you're there to work not make friends and shit.
>Learn to read the energy of a room
>Don't say more than you have to say
>Never stop selling your abillities/knowledge
>Say NO when you really don't want to do shit

>>16792659
Who initiates the thing?

>>16789160
Hard work and intelligence means fuckall. If you are a good little drone, they will want to keep you exactly where you are, if you want to get ahead in life, it's all about connections.

>>16792708
What if you're a good little drone who decided to start his own thing?

>>16792719
It's still all about connections in order to make your business successful.

>>16792734
>>16792719
The ol' "It's not what you know, it's who you blow"

>>16789160
dont cuck, even to your boss or your superiors, once you do you set that a precedent for yourself and you can never live it down.

if your being cucked at your job better off quitting and finding something better.

being miserable is no way to live and being cucked makes any real man miserable

>>16791877
idkwirow, it seems to me that if you are playing with the system (in the sandbox), you will build the organization where workers play with the system.
if you are on a treadmill, you will build the organization where workers are on a treadmill.

because if you build something while playing, you will share that thing with others, and others will play and build on top of that thing.

I think the difference becomes visible when then beginner, the newbie appears.
what is the process of learning the system, of starting to work with the system?

one organization can say: here is the system (or here are systems), you can play with this thing, you can play with that thing.
other organization can say: here are a bunch of tasks, start working and don't you dare fake the productivity.

I think it's easy to recognize the treadmill pattern in one of these two organizations.

>>16792779
> dont cuck, even to your boss or your superiors, once you do you set that a precedent for yourself and you can never live it down.
like it's some magic spell?

I can say that you cucked in your message and that that was a precedent for you.
the magic spell is going to work for you? if you believe in magic spells.

>>16792842
> one organization can say: here is the system (or here are systems), you can play with this thing, you can play with that thing.
And not only that. They will say: you can play with these things and we created a playground to play with these things and we are playing with them all the time.

>>16790453
It do be like this.
Amen.

>>16789176
4thpbp

>>16792856
once you show people your weak enough to be dominated by them, they simply continue to dominate you. thats not a spell thats human nature.

>>16789160
that humans are robots, not humans and that mass shooters are actually protagonists. Humans have no intrinsic value. Worthless piles of shit. Also, reproduction is pure sadism.

>>16791364
>if you can learn powertalk

where to learn powertalk?
inb4 48 laws of power meme

>>16792992
Wow, you were so weak that you allowed your negative experiences in the workplace to color your worldview and taint your life philosophy in this way? Truly astounding

>>16792992
fuck your nihilism. glad you wont be spreading it children.

>>16793003
it's not "weak". Quite the opposite. I don't sugar coat reality. I see reality for what it is. This world operates by natural selection. It is based on luck and luck alone. The weak doe and the strong survive. Eugenics. Genetics predetermines your success. Employers are assholes that treat you like slaves. You spend most of your lifeforce at work making someone rich off of your labor. You are a cog.
This isn't my world view getting tainted. This is waking up to reality.

>>16792982
> they simply continue to dominate you
until some surprise realization that they can't do that no more that may or may not come at some point in time.
you are oversimplifying things.
maybe you have incentives to do so.
maybe you are living in the "snakes eat snakes" model.

>>16789160
the most power a wagecuck can accumulate is his job right now. if he could get a better job or start a successful buisness they would. most people suck and get by. don’t overload or overwork yourself. so enough just to not get fired. show up early and lift and run during lunch and leave late. the illusion is your doing a lot of work but your really shitposting before and after everyone leaves

>>16793021
what being "weak" truly is is allowing yourself to be defeated by an unwelcoming circumstance/environment.

make the world YOUR bitch or be in on a leash, its a two way street. you dont have to lower yourself to shit just because everyone else does.

>>16793032
of course you would think im saying that the only way to "win the game" is to beat everyone else down before they beat you.

you dont have to dominate others to prevent them from dominating you, you simply just have to keep yourself in control of yourself. rise above the muck and the slime.

>>16793042
>what being "weak" truly is is allowing yourself to be defeated by an unwelcoming circumstance/environment.
false. Being weak is living in a bubble instead of accepting reality.

>>16793079
if you dont take control of yourself you are doomed to be the victim of other peoples realities that they will force on you. people carve reality every day, your either a hammer or a nail in regards to that.

sorry you experience being powerless to such a magnitude youve become utterly nihilistic and self defeating. truly i can relate, been there.

>>16789303
to be honest, almost all my current friends used to be my enemies. its fucking wierd. one of them even helped me get contracts for my current company.

>>16793246
Unironically it's the same for me. The few close ones are the people I got in a (physical) fight with.

>>16789321
Unless you're the manager of a restaurant/bar. Easy pussy.

>>16789466
if you keep it strictly platonic fwb or one night stand maybe but wouldnt recommend it
dating a coworker is a big no no
it turns the workplace awkward but the worst comes after you break up it will turn the workplace into suffocating purgatory

>>16790787

>>And those of us who only became rotten after the world fucked us?

Adapt and survive. And know the difference between becoming rotten and using the rotten system for your own needs! Because some other unscrupulous bastard will use it against you.

>>16791817
I mainly meant the consequence of this rule when helping others.
When you help somebody, they always take credit for your work, because nobody else will know you helped them do it.
This leads to them getting more power in the company which ultimately fucks you up, because you gave achievement and ultimately power to someone incompetent.

the reversal of the rule states:
There are times when taking the credit for work that others have done is
not the wise course: If your power is not firmly enough established, you
will seem to be pushing people out of the limelight.
To be a brilliant exploiter of talent your position must be unshakable, or you will be accused
of deception.
Be sure you know when letting other people share the credit serves
your purpose. It is especially important to not be greedy when you have a
master above you

>>16789573
true.
t.liar and cheat

>>16789654
Because somewhere down the line they will fuck you intentionally or not. It’s better to keep a bit of distance and rely only when absolutely necessary.

>>16791689
The post with the best advice has no (you)s. What a surprise.

Most adults are not adults. They can't just shut the fuck up and mind their own business. They're just kids stuck in grown up bodies.

>>16790392
>Ass kissing and faking productivity gets you way farther than actual "merit."
Its incredibly sad how true is this even in technical fields like software development and engineering. I managed to fix something that nobody on the team could for three years and was eventually shelved and put out of sight until it became such a problem that it had to be done right now (or the whole product would seize up). Brought it up on review, was dismissed as unimportant, and made some enemies by being "too good and a showoff". Next two years instead of doing anything important I had dozens of small, bullshit tasks that I focused on, the boomer idiot bossman loved me. Look how productive you got! kek.

Long story short:
1) Always watch your back
2) Don't work at shitty crab-bucket corporations
3) Don't hurt anyones feelies by doing what they can't do unless it can be noticed from two levels above so that the drones can't sabotage your success on the runway.
4) Everything must be in writing as other anons said.

>>16790660
Who takes credit for poo?

>>16789160
Also this:
"Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them."

>>16793750
>fucking your staff
lol