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feels wrong to go into debt for a 4 yr degree.

it's a scam, but society made it a necessary scam to participate in.

Crony capitalism. It isn't a "choice" like it's supposed to be. It's FORCED on you.

Can I drop? I'm getting anally raped bu the job market with just a 2 yr degree.

I call this in particular crony capitalism because schools take 0 risks and politicians don't make it illegal for employers to ask for degrees when not needed for a job. They do this to create a system that forces people into debt.

Fucking scammer should be hanged. Not a joke. We need to hang these mother fuckers.

Well anyways, should I drop? I LOATHE the idea of being forced into debt. I LOATHE needing to go 15-20k in debt to finish this bullshit (over 140 units. Literally could have googled this shit for free besides chegg. In fact, quizlet is more useful than the fucking books and chegg is more useful than lectures and chegg is only 15 dollars a month).

Im tired of this scam. Im about to be 25 and am just wasting fucking time. Im thinking of just focusing on security, try to find a livable wage job at a school (since everywhere else honestly sucks nuts), and just call it a day. Just want to go all in btc and eventually other shit like wholesaling. I probably wont graduate till 26 and pay the debt off at 28ish if I live at home like a pussy for that whole time.

It doesnt feel fucking worth it anymore.

>> No.16727574

>>16727498
You sound like a whiny bitch. Either go to school or don't. No one cares about your problems. Employers ask for degrees because at least that shows them you aren't some compete retard.

>> No.16727595

>>16727574
>diving in headlong into the education scheme hustle
>not being a complete retard

Pick 1

>> No.16727596

>>16727574
>You sound like a whiny bitch.
HAHHA stockholm syndrome. Who's the real bitch here, bitch? Stating facts and you defend your masters like a cock sucker. Pathetic piece of garbage.

>Either go to school or don't.
Fucked either way

>No one cares about your problems.
False. Student loan crisis is called a crisis for a reason, retard.

>Employers ask for degrees because at least that shows them you aren't some compete retard.
Down syndrome incarnate. I have over 140 college units. That should be enough.


Loool this was PATHETIC. Stockholm syndrome, everyone. This is what a retard bootlicker that can't argue to save his life looks like.

>> No.16727614

>>16727574
FPBP

>> No.16727618

>>16727595
Bootlickers like them are too retarded and dogmatic to question their god's. They are addicted to cock too much to be able to criticize their masters.

I bet this faggot could be a literal slave (we basically are but I mean like black people were) and he'd tell the other slaves "you're all whiny bitches. We get a roof over out heads and food. We have it good. Stop complaining and be happy master let's you clean his shaft".

Kek!

>> No.16727623

>>16727498
School is not necessary and if you choose to work for someone who only employs people with degrees then you're the retard

>> No.16727628
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16727628

>>16727498
>If I don't buy this product there are negative consequences
>Therefore I'm forced to buy this product

>> No.16727635

>>16727614
Nope. I btfod them here: >>16727596

Sorry bootlicker. You can't win against me. Wouldn't even be surprised if you were a samefagger changing your id to save face, but then again this board has been infested with beta cuck bootlickers that have no backbone. You guys are either females or lack ANY sort of masculinity. You LIVE being dominated by your masters

>> No.16727654

>>16727623
>School is not necessary
they are if you want middle class and up unless you want a cucked job like truck driving
>and if you choose to work for someone who only employs people with degrees then you're the retard
Yet they are the ones that pay more, retard. They are the ones that lock the decent jobs away with 4 yr degrees

>> No.16727659

>>16727498
>it's a scam, but society made it a necessary scam to participate in.
It’s not necessary. No one is forcing you to do anything. A (((college degree))) is not required to succeed in life and if you believe that it is then you’re hopelessly brainwashed

>>16727596
Nigga you mad. Take a break from the computer and go outside so you can rethink your world views

>> No.16727671

>>16727628
uhhh... unironically yes, nigger? It's either a degree or low wagie hell but you're fucked either way due to the debt aquired.

It's also retarded how most CCs don't give out 4 yr degrees (apparently some exist but im not starting over for that). Universities make the same classes you take at a CC more expensive for NO REASON other than the fact that they can.

>> No.16727675

>>16727618
>>16727635
>>16727654
Holy fuck you’re so bootytickled. Just walk away, like literally just look away from the screen hahaha

>> No.16727687

>>16727659
>It’s not necessary. No one is forcing you to do anything. A (((college degree))) is not required to succeed in life and if you believe that it is then you’re hopelessly brainwashed
You're a retard.
1. businesses are luck based and take a lot of capital to get going
2. Most highschool grads are fucked in the ass. 30% of jobs pay hardship wages. Where the fuck do you think the majority of the employees come from?

>> No.16727695

>>16727687
>businesses are luck based
Imagine losing so badly, you think like this

>> No.16727705

>>16727675
Not an argument, cock sucker :)
>j-just walk away fro the computer
>Lol!! Did you guys see how I btfod him? I told him to walk away from the computer!!!

>> No.16727712

>>16727498
Drop out and join the military. However, only join the military to work in a very specific occupation - cyber security. All other occupations aren't worth it for the benefit of your current situation. Obviously, the military can be a grind and shitty most of the time, but I promise you if you signed a 4 year contract for cyber security, government agencies and the private sector would scoop you up in a minute when you get out. Realistically, you could easily get a cyber security job in the private sector paying over$100k per year. If you end up liking the military, even though I doubt you would, you can always decide to become an officer and they will pay for you to complete your degree and pay off the student debt you owe, but wold would probably have to serve 5-6 more years in a contract for all that to happen.

>> No.16727724

>>16727695
It is luck based, retard. That's why the majority of them fail within the first 5 years (forgot the stat but about 8 or 9/10 fail in that time).

If all it took was mastering logistics, the success rate wouldn't be that low. SALES is LUCK based. Finding the right product (or service) is LUCK BASED. Being able to compete with other established businesses is LUCK BASED.

Imagine being so retarded as to not know that.

>> No.16727731

>>16727498
>I call this in particular crony capitalism because schools take 0 risks and politicians don't make it illegal for employers to ask for degrees when not needed for a job. They do this to create a system that forces people into debt.
Employers do it because it’s illegal to administer iq tests. Recruiters look at the rigor of a college usually based on acceptance rate and reputation, and conclude that a interviewee who finished at said school is intelligent at a certain level. Finish undergrad years at harvard > finish undergrad at nyu >finish undergrad at party school or state school.

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>>16727574
>HOW DARE YOU CRITIQUE SOCIETY IN ANY WAY. DONT YOU KNOW ITS PERFECT AND INDIVIDUAL CHOICES ARE THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BE LEGITIMATELY DISCUSSED

>> No.16727745

>>16727712
Maybe if I were 18 I would attempt cyber security. No point now. I'd be better off just getting cucked by shitmerica and going into debt for an overpriced degree.

>> No.16727749

>feels wrong to go into debt for a 4 yr degree.

Exactly, that's why tuition fees haveto be abolished and private education has to be outlawed and nationalized.

Private education is a scam.

>> No.16727750

>>16727596
>140 units
how many units are your classes, if 4 units per class you should have enough to have done a 4 year degree

>> No.16727774

>>16727731
Using a degree to screen people out is retarded. A better way is to create study guides and tests related to the job and just choose the people with the best scores and continue screening out from there. They can have the first test be online or some crap instead of having to show up in person too. THIS would be a better indicator in showing if a person is capable of doing said job.

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16727791

>>16727498
>It isn't a "choice" like it's supposed to be.

>> No.16727802

>>16727750
3 per class minus a few. The reason Im fucked like this is due to how the 2 yr degree I did was in a field that couldn't be turned into a 4 yr degree. I was memed into the trades so I had to start over from scratch so now all I have is an AS degree in a shit field I hated.

>> No.16727807

depending on the type of career degrees may not be necessary

sounds like you never needed it in the first place

>> No.16727819

>>16727687
You have a very flawed perception of how the world works. Everything that you’ve said so far has been dead wrong. And you sound like the type of faggot that, instead of taking the advice of the smarter and more experienced anons, you’re instead going to spend the entire rest of the thread screeching about your misconceptions and ignoring what we’re telling you.

If you’re not here with an open mind then you’re wasting everyone’s time. Why should I spend time typing out a genuine and thoughtful response when I know that you’re going to ignore everything and continue spouting your bullshit

>> No.16727818

>>16727802
also the reason I did this was because I didnt want to worry about debt and was again memed into thinking the trades was a good field. Being surrounded by redneck boomers is shit.

>> No.16727824

>>16727791
>human society should be based on the hypothetical situation of surviving alone on a deserted island because... reasons

>> No.16727826

>>16727596
My bank account would like a word with you. I decided not to get a retarded degree and am making more money in a year than you'll make in 10. I'd like some ketchup with those fries bitch

>> No.16727835

>>16727824
>human society should be based on supporting me because....reasons

>> No.16727840

>>16727819
>You have a very flawed perception of how the world works. Everything that you’ve said so far has been dead wrong.
lmao like what?
The stat I used is real, retard and businesses arent just "logistics" either. FAIL.


Look. Want me to listen? Just use statistics with your thoughts.

>> No.16727860

>>16727791
Huh? Oligarchy isn't the only way for a society to succeed, dumbass. You are the type that can't criticize flaws and just accept things like a conformist bitch

>> No.16727862

>>16727835
We could easily reorganize society so that everyone gets a minimum living standard of safe housing, food, and water. We aren't living in the middle ages. Get bent.

>> No.16727873

>>16727826
Yes, larper. Everyone can be rich by starting a business. Oh wait... stats beg to differ.

Also, motherfucker, are you the wholesaling faggot? I btfod you yesterday.

>> No.16727883

>>16727862
>B-but them my master can't own 50 mansions anymore!!!
>Whaaaaaaa

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16727894

>>16727883
>anon loses
>calls people names
Get em Tiger!

>> No.16727915

>>16727894
Huh? Providing counter-arguments isn't "losing".

What a fail. Try to make sense

>> No.16727935

>>16727840
Okay thanks for confirming that you’re going to continue acting like an overgrown child throwing a temper tantrum. I will now be leaving this thread, as I don’t want to partake in your faggotry. I wish you the best of luck with your life. A brainlet like you is going to need all the luck you can get

>> No.16727945

>>16727935
>brainlet
kek.
I literally told you how to convince me. By using stats. Instead of using stats, you run away. Sad.

>> No.16727968

>>16727654
>never thought of working for himself
Not gonna make it

>> No.16727996

>>16727774
>I know better than the owners how to run the businesses
said every commie ever

>> No.16728183

>>16727968
I have. Don't have the capital I want so I'm just going all in btc

>>16727996
needing degrees for jobs that dont actually make use of them is retarded as fuck. Fact.
There are people out there with some fluff history degree making more than people that did 3 years of electrical engineering and that dropped out even though the latter pushed themselves harder (I actually know someone in the latter situation). Shit way of screening people out when the latter (who has demonstrated waay more work ethic and intelligence) gets fucked over compared to those that get fluff degrees

>> No.16728192

>>16728183
just kill yourself loser

>> No.16728341

Back in the old days you could of pay for your tuition in a summers month worth of work. What happened, kind strangers?

>> No.16728431

>>16728192
I guess I win since you resort to shit like this as a sad excuse of an argument

>> No.16728440

>>16728341
Baby boomers happened

>> No.16728448

>>16727498
its not a scam retard, no one is forcing you to go to college, you'll just have a way shittier time finding a job without a degree, obviously there are exceptions, many people find jobs solely from personal projects but you certainly don't sound like one of them, you sound more like a lazy fag in denial about college being good for your career because le bill gates dropped out of college xD

>> No.16728493

>>16727498
I graduated from a good school debt free ez. Use community college for general education bullshit then transfer to 4 yr. school on transfer scholarships. Actually work hard while you’re in school and don’t waste your money on shot pin or drugs.

t. 22, graduated and making them big consulting bucks

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>>16728431
win what stupid nigger? you never put forward any argument all you did is cry over how you're a loser who can't afford shit, and how you know better than everyone else and thanks to your (nonexistant) intellect and overinflated ego you would make it all better but everyone else is keeping you down
your tranny feelings are not an argument you're just an entitled numale talking about their feelings on not-your-blog like a fucking woman craving attention
kys

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>>16728493
Shitcoin*** damn phonepoast auto correct

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16728509

>>16728448
>its not a scam retard,
half a bachelors are GE classes. How is that not a scam, retard? You also put the comma wrong, dipshit.

>no one is forcing you to go to college,
employers are, retard
>you'll just have a way shittier time finding a job without a degree, obviously there are exceptions, many people find jobs solely from personal projects but you certainly don't sound like one of them, you sound more like a lazy fag in denial about college being good for your career because le bill gates dropped out of college xD
huh?
Let's repeat that one more time.
> you sound more like a lazy fag in denial about college being good for your career because le bill gates dropped out of college xD
that's a contradiction. How is "bill gates dropping out and succeeding" a way of me saying "therefore college isn't a waste of time"?

Huh???? Fucking dumb bitch can't even think LOL!

Aecond contradiction is when you said "you don't need college to succeed" and then say "but you'll probably get ass fucked without it" Lmfao!!!

ALSO, "xD" and "le". What the fuck? Get a load of this reddit faggot

>> No.16728536

>>16728495
With facts, retard. Won the argument with facts. You resort to long winded word salad. Pathetic.

>>16728493
Did first 2 yrs at a cc already and need 10 more classes to finish this bullshit (1.5 more years because it is part-time and I can't turn it into full-time). Already at a university. I am also working or else I wouldn't be able to invest into btc. Only reason I'm not paying it off as I go is because of the opportunity cost from not investing. At the end of the day, this shit is still overpriced and corrupt.

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16728560

>>16728536
>facts
you provided no facts, fact
you're dumber than a nigger, fact
communism doesn't work, fact
you're an entitled winny sissy who is still in college at 24yo, fact
protip: adding 'fact' after a sentence doesn't make it so like you pretend throughout the thread

>> No.16728565

>>16728560
>I'll just ignore everything you said!!!
down syndrome incarnate

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>>16728565
>I'll just ignore everything you said!!!
yeah that's what you're doing

>> No.16728583

Is it at least a STEM degree?
If you fell the economics/humanities meme you can only blame yourself

>> No.16728588

>>16728560
Here, faggot:
>needing degrees for jobs that dont actually make use of them is retarded as fuck. Fact.
Let me guess, it's subjective? No. Objectively speaking it makes 0 sense to want a candidate to have random ass knowledge that won't help the company make money, dumbass retard.
>There are people out there with some fluff history degree making more than people that did 3 years of electrical engineering and that dropped out even though the latter pushed themselves harder (I actually know someone in the latter situation). Shit way of screening people out when the latter (who has demonstrated waay more work ethic and intelligence) gets fucked over compared to those that get fluff degrees

That is also a fact. People with fluff degrees have better job offers than someone that did 3 yrs of electrical engineering and dropped.

Again, that is indeed a fact, assclown. Not an opinion. That is literally how the the job market is, dumb bitch.

>> No.16728603

>>16728582
Nope, retard. I won't re-quote everything I said to spoonfeed your dumbass so I only re-quote one post to make a point >>16728588

Get btfod, retarded bitch.

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>>16728588
>Let me guess, it's subjective? No.
it is, you think they have no reason to require them? they only do it to fuck with you, employers are somehow in a conspiracy with colleges to upsell degrees?
>That is also a fact. People with fluff degrees have better job offers than someone that did 3 yrs of electrical engineering and dropped.
so either pay up for the fucking degree if you think it's worth it or don't little otherwise you lil bitch
if you want to circlejerk go to reddit you'll get the approval you seek

>> No.16728647

>>16728583
>If you fell the economics/humanities meme you can only blame yourself
I switched from stem to the trades to a business degree. The thing I'm working on is bus admin/econ.
My sister did stem. Her friend did a psychology degree. Ironically the latter is doing way better and is the one that hooked my sister up with her job. The latter does some payroll stuff while my sister is doing administrative work. Both jobs are for the same university. Both are doing absolutely nothing related to their degree. Networking is more important than the degree in this job market. My sister was working minimum wage throughout college and 2 years after graduating (she graduated at 23) and only has a good job because her friend hooked her up with the job.

I figure I can possibly get some hookups worse case scenario but only if I finish. Despite their degrees being irrelevant as shit, the employers still asked for it.

>> No.16728703

>>16728645
>they only do it to fuck with you, employers are somehow in a conspiracy with colleges to upsell degrees?
unironically yes, dipshit. Debt slaves = complacent workers. It's a win-win between employers (they get conplacent desperate workers) and schools (they get money AND a constant high demand since employers keep asking for this shit).
You're literally fucking stupid if you can't see who the true winners are here.

> so either pay up for the fucking degree if you think it's worth it or don't little otherwise you lil bitch
>if you want to circlejerk go to reddit you'll get the approval you seek

1. not a counter argument
2. I am getting told bu the dumb bitch that used "le" and "xD" to go back to plebbit.... LMFAO

>> No.16728707

>>16727498

The system is designed to indebt 90% of people into a lifelong service of working to maintain the lifestyle of dynastic wealth. You can't advance without being born rich, that's the point. You are scammed into taking on massive debt which will take a lifetime to climb out of, that's purposeful. The first mistake you made was thinking that the system is on your side. Understand the system was built by the rich ruling class and it makes perfect sense. The US is just thinly thinly veiled, modern feudalism.

>> No.16728717

>>16728588
I like how you keep talking about the job market when you're still a student yourself. Don't act like you've actually been apart of the corporate world besides your shitty fast food jobs KEK

>> No.16728733

>>16728717
>I like how you keep talking about the job market when you're still a student yourself. Don't act like you've actually been apart of the corporate world besides your shitty fast food jobs KEK
Yes yes, I've never looked at statistics nor job ads. Fucking LOOL.
Bitch, I've had various jobs before. Just because they weren't middle class and up doesn't mean I don't know how it works, down syndrome retard. That literally makes no fucking sense.

>> No.16728741

>>16728703
Why do you need an argument for this? How retarded are you to not see what "I started this degree but couldn't finish it" tells a potential employer? You think he wants his projects done 80%?

>> No.16728748

>>16728717
Also, I've been to interviews for middle class jobs before (30 an hr). I fucking know how it works, dumbass bitch. Holy shit, your arguments are pathetic

>> No.16728763

>>16728748
But I'm not arguing anything...it's always those who know the least that talk the most, and boy have you talked a lot on this thread. You've given me a lot of laughs, thanks for that kek

>> No.16728768

>>16727862
There has to be people wage cucking and supporting others in that situation. That's true under any system.

>> No.16728772

>>16728748
>thinks he knows how it works
>hasn't landed a job yet
Oh boy, please just make a fat disclaimer for your thread that you're a clueless idiot next time. Otherwise, good bait thread.

>> No.16728780

>>16728741
I have over 140 units, dipshit. That's more than the 120 people with bachelor's do. I also did complete an AS degree. I've actually invested MORE effort than your faggot ass. Just because I don't want to complete the program because it's a load of shit at the end of the day doesn't mean I wouldn't be able to perform a fucking job, retard. ALSO, the main difference here is in one YOU pay. In the other, THEY pay you.

AGAIN, a mother fucking degree isn't a good indicator of a "good employee". What I said above makes way more sense (tests [not mother fucking IQ tests either] instead of a generic BA/BS degree).
>inb4 "b-but tests don't show work ethic!"
which is what mother fucking work history is for, asshole

>> No.16728789

>>16728763
>it's always those who know the least that talk the most
That's not a made up thing at all. Kek
THAT'S your argument!? You're getting stupider or something?

>> No.16728807

>>16728780
But sir, I do have a degree. I also finished it because I'm not a fucking crybaby. And look what it got me, stable employment in my field of choice. You should really go talk to a psych instead of LARPing boomers on 4chan, man. You don't sound right.

>> No.16728811

>>16728772
>Oh boy, please just make a fat disclaimer for your thread that you're a clueless idiot next time. Otherwise, good bait thread.
Jesus christ... I am employed and have had 4 other jobs. I can't land a middle class job unless I get lucky or finish the 4 yr degree (which will also be luck based since 44% of 22-27 yr old college grads are underemployed).

By your down syndrome logic, you can't criticize the job market unless you have a middle class or up job (38% of jobs).

Holy SHIT. Imagine being that retarded. There's no logic in what you say.

>> No.16728821

>>16728807
???
What does what you just said here have ANYTHING to do with my argument? Dod you get a degree in basket weaving? You argue like a dumbass.

>> No.16728840

>>16728789
You keep saying "argument" but I'm not arguing with you about anything. I'm just pointing out that you're a big talker with hardly any real world experience. You're trying to fight everyone on this thread but you've never done anything hahaha

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>>16728840
Pic related, retard

>> No.16728862

>>16728509
you got le me bro XD I will fuck off back to, leddit now XD, LOL ,bru,hh you take yourself way too seriously my dude. bill gates is not a contradiction because you're a dumb faggot who is just looking for any excuse to drop out, I'm saying all this under the assumption that you are in stem because otherwise why the fuck would you go to college 5 years later than everyone else for a meme degree

People don't get assfucked without college, people who work on themselves do just fine with or without college. But lazy victim andys like yourself are guaranteed to get assfucked either way, but even then, even for ppl like yourself college will allow you to fool some dumb employers into thinking you're not completely worthless

You sound like a huge faggot by looking at this thread so maybe you should drop out after all, idk why you're complaining about 15-20k if you can already so easily get 30/hr jobs even without a degree

>> No.16728875

>>16728821
There is no argument. I'm saying you're a crybaby which might be the reason why nobody wants to hire your sorry ass. You give off that vibe. It's not an argument, it's a fact. You are objectively an asshat.

>> No.16728883

>>16728840
Also, the short version of this thread is retards saying "needing a degree is a okay even if the job doesn't REALLY need it". I tell people why it's retarded and they say "n-no wrong!". I tell them it's forced on society and they say "n-no it's not" when looking at motherfucking stats (unemployment rates and wages), it IS forced on people or they get ass fucked since a 4 yr degree is basically the new high school degree.

I can't reason with retards like you because you're all so complacent and dogmatic. "Questioning the system BAD!!!"

Down syndrome incarnate.

>> No.16728907

>>16728854

>I'm just pointing out that you're a big talker with hardly any real world experience. You're trying to fight everyone on this thread but you've never done anything

So which part do you disagree with?

>> No.16728910

>>16728862
>People don't get assfucked without college, people who work on themselves do just fine with or without college.
get the anus cream. I'm about to rip you a new one.

44% of 22-27 yr old college grads are underemployed (inb4 just do computer science as if everyone is capable of that. Even they have like a 24ish% underemployment rate for 22-27 yr olds: https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/college-labor-market_compare-majors.html
Think about that. NEARLY 1/4 cs graduates aged 22-27 will be underemployed (don't know how it evens out over time. Still not amazing though. It's around 34% when including all ages and all majors). Also 1/4 college grads make highschool wages.
7/10 graduate with 29k+ in debt.

78% of full time workers live paycheck to paycheck ( *LITERALLY one paycheck away from homelessness and that is basically poverty* ). *42% of americans will retire broke* (so you give up the best years of your life being someone's bitch just to retire with nothing), 57% of americans can't afford an unexpected 500 dollar bill, 50% of renters are cost burdened (spend over 30% of their income on rent. Half of those spend over 50% of their income on rent), 30% of metropolis city jobs (where most jobs are created) pay hardship wages (not enough to move out with) and 32% pay livable wages (basically poverty) which leaves 38% that are decent (I say decent because you also have to take into consideration the toxicity of work culture. Also, some jobs ONLY pay livable or up BECAUSE of the hours put in. For instance, the average american works 47 hours a week. 49% work 50 hours or more a week. Both of which inflate the wage stats into looking better than it actually is), etc.

Welcome to the "land of opportunity" (load of bullshit).

I can mention even MORE stats (highschoolers unemployment rate, wages, etc.) but this should be sufficient (of course your dumbass types hate data so I expect nothing intelligent from you).

xD

>> No.16728928

>>16728875
There is. You're just retarded.

Here for the btfo: >>16728883

>>16728907
The part about the real world experience when I OBVIOUSLY have that and the "done nothing" argument you're making. Retard. I dumbed it down for you here: >>16728883

>> No.16728936

>>16728883
You sound proud about being able to maybe get $30hr. I'd KMS if that was how much I was making.

>> No.16728951

>>16728936
You're not even employed, dumb bitch. As far as being an employee, that is far better than what 50% of americans are making. Secondly, median wage nationwide is 18ish an hr. Thirdly that is considered middle class.

Fail

>> No.16728959

>>16727840
9/10 businesses fail because 9/10 people are idiots.

/thread

>> No.16728967

>>16728910
Just to stop you here, but lazy college kids who would rather not work doesnt have any link to how scarce to job market is or isnt.

>> No.16728970

>>16728959
Flawless logic
What's your business in again :)? Oh wait.. you don't have one, huh?
>inb4 omega larp

>> No.16728985

Why are so many fags defending the "higher education" scam

>> No.16728987

>>16728967
>but lazy college kids who would rather not work doesnt have any link to how scarce to job market is or isnt.
wtf are you even trying to say?
1. I am saying what percent of jobs pay what
2. Something you clearly aren't aware of, but unemployed people (aka "lazy college kids who would rather not work") are NOT included in the fucking unemployment stat to begin with

>> No.16728997

>>16728951
That's cute. I'm a software engineer, or developer, or "coder" to make sure you understand what I'm saying.

I make a shit ton and work MAYBE 40 hours a week on a busy week. That's cool if your ok settling with "middle class". Someones got to fill that class, might as well be you.

>> No.16728999

>>16728910
>>16728910
I mean if you're comparing yourself to the average person then do whatever you want my dude you're never going to make it anyways. No fucking shit college is recommended for your average person, because your average person is a fucking retard that just goes along with whatever there is, having your average person go to college (for a non shit major) more often than not is going to benefit them. If you're one of those outliers who can do it without then drop the fuck out man, but from the shit you're posting you don't seem like you got it all figured out

>> No.16729005

>>16728985
Easy. It's called stockholm syndrome. Also, a bunch of normies invaded biz a while ago. Notmies = sheep = bootlickers that can't question the system and just accept things as they are.

The REAL question is why did biz attract these retards.. I've been wondering that for a while. They also have shit arguments. I keep having to repeat shit and even dumb it down, but it's not enough. They are just too dogmatic.

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>>16728997
You dropped out of college and are now a software engineer. Sounds legit.

>>16727826
>I decided not to get a degree

>> No.16729047

>>16728999
What's your business in, larper?

>> No.16729058

>>16729039
Nope, I definitely got my degree. Helped land my first few jobs. Now I can build anything I want and sell it to retards like you.

>> No.16729063

>>16729058
I don't want buggy pajeet code, faggot

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>>16728707
> The first mistake you made was thinking that the system is on your side. Understand the system was built by the rich ruling class and it makes perfect sense. The US is just thinly thinly veiled, modern feudalism.

Yep. You hit the nail on the head. As you can see, a bunch of cum munching bootlicker retards here can't understand we live in an oligarchy neo feudalism system that fucks over the GRAND majority (supported by the stats I cited).

Retards here think their opinions matter more than data.

>> No.16729671

bump
keep making a fool of yourself berniecuck
how many people have to point out how stupid you are for you to realize you're a loser?
don't forget to give me a (you) pointing out there's no argument

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>>16727498

of course it's wrong lol

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Hey there champ. Having a little meltdown are we?

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>>16727498
I dropped out and have no degree. Still got a job. It doesn't pay tremendously but I work remotely and get to travel the world and go wherever I want anytime I want. My boss won't hire anyone who has a stupid degree anymore due to bad experiences (Art, English, Political Science, anything that was obviously chosen because it was easy). All those resumes literally get thrown in a trash can. We don't discriminate against people for a lack of educational background though, they tend to work harder and have less of an entitled attitude. It's anecdotal but I see a lot of businesses, particularly small and medium sized who aren't going to have some HR lady cock block you because you don't have the paper requirements.

>> No.16729940

>>16729909
To add onto this idea, degree requirements for most jobs are retarded both for the employer and for the applicant. A degree means that the applicant expects a high salary to offset the cost of their time and money spent in college, meaning the employer will need to raise their average salary paid to their employees. What I've seen is that people get hired just because they have a degree, even stupid ones that have nothing to do with their career field. The job market would be so much less fucked if we weren't in an over-education hyperbubble.

>> No.16730016

>>16729671
Except I won lmao:
>>16729005
>>16728910
>>16728883
that's the summarized version, faggot.

Let me ask you something, down syndrome. If 1+1=2 and you retards say "no, it's actually 23", who's right? The faggots that say 23 because there's more of them or the one that says 2? Facts don't care about your feelings, faggot (not to quote cuck ben).
get anally recked

>> No.16730047

>>16729940
THIS fucking post is EXACTLY how I feel but a bunch of fucking retards have been attacking my critique of the screening process and saying "employers know more about business therefore everything they do is without flaw!!! *foam from mouth*".

I agree. Asking fro degrees is fucking retarded. Unfortunately I have not gotten very lucky with the job market at all. Unfortunately according to stats I see, despite some anecdotal successes, the majority of the time most won't be as lucky as you and people will have to get assraped by debt just for a CHANCE at something half decent.

I still dont know if I'll drop. It just feels like a waste of time and money, but in the same time I haven't gotten lucky so I am mot really left with much of a choice.

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>>16727671
maybe if you became an educated you wouldn't call people nigger on the ihnterenette

>> No.16730091

>>16730047
My advice is to avoid applying to big companies and only go for small to medium size. They're more likely to be flexible and understanding and not have some cunt HR lady acting as a gatekeeper because you didn't want to pay upper 5 figures for a useless degree. If you are motivated and can come off as hardworking and reliable you'll land something eventually.

>> No.16730437

>>16730047
Maybe you've had "bad luck" because you're the biggest butt hurt retard on this thread KEK

>> No.16730558

>>16730047

The people who don't get it are either still in school, and literally believe they'll be rich when they graduate by "studying hard," or literal millionaires heirs (how did I get this house? Oh yeah, I inherited it), or hourly clocked wagies who have to cope or would otherwise have long killed themselves.

You can bust your ass doing all the things you were supposed to do. Got to 4 years of college, grad school, take on however much debt you want, get a 4.0, get a good job, bust your ass even harder to out compete the other rats. You can become an expert in your study, the best in your field, and at the end of the day you'll make maybe 50% more than others at the top of your pay band. An "upper" middle class salary that will be taxed at over 50%. Then one day a 24 yo VP's niece will come in as a manager his first day on the job, driving a 7 series to work, and start telling you what to do.

You will never make it by playing their game, its designed for you to lose, even if you do everything right.

>> No.16730562

>>16730437
Not an argument.. oh how biz has fallen

>> No.16730573

>>16730558
Yep. Most people cope and can't take the truth pill. They can't live with the fact we live in an oligarchy so they sugar coat reality.