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>camera doorbell
>5k$
kek, you could get the parts from aliexpress for 50$ max

god bless america

>>16723364
It's for the whole thing, all the elements in OP pic.
The brand is high-end: Siedle.

(I like that the logo is like the SS, but even better because of the extra S)

>>16723340
>Is this because he can get the parts for that much cheaper?

Well?

>>16723393
It's a phone with a camera and a small screen, how expensive can it get ? just buy it from china for 200$ max yourself and ask the chinks to put in a 4000$ price tag so the insurance repays you and you can buy more chainlink...
>inb4 it doesn't work like that, i know
also why do you want to replace the whole thing, did the contractor also break the camera, inside phone, etc... it's not your problem since the electrician qnd insurance are gonna take care of it, but you have to understand that if the electrician is offering to replace the entire thing and puts a cheaper price tag than the website, then he's making money out of it, i doubt he's going to risk installing a fake system but you never know and he might just know someone selling them for cheaper or something (a company that buys them in bulk for a discount)

>>16723435
I actually don't care how much it costs, the insurance company is supposed to pay for it.
I do care about the fact that my electrician underestimated the price offer by $1k.

(also, keep in mind we're talking about electronics that have to withstand decades of hanging from a wall outside. I wouldn't trust Chink QC to deliver that kind of performance)

>>16723340
ngmi.
the components inside are surely as high end as your wife's cunt...
but go ahead, have a $4k camera doorbell...

>>16723451
see >>16723445

>>16723456
its still 4k...
four thousand dollars. have you lost touch with reality?
how did your contractor destroy it btw?

>>16723451
>>16723435
>>16723468

I guess I have to be a little more clear:

>doorbell is destroyed
>insurance says "we'll pay for the whole thing, just send us a price offer"
>ask my electrician to make a price offer
>insurance approves it
>apparently the price offer was too low to actually replace all the same features I used to have

>>16723471
>>>16723451
>>>16723435
>>>16723468

So my question is: does the electrician get the parts at a lower price than indicated on the manufacturer's website?
Because that might explain the price difference.

>>16723393
Ya exactly. 50$

>>16723468
The contractor who destroyed it was doing work on the electricity grid in my street.
He ran a forklift into a power line and the network spiked, frying my intercom.

And again, the insurance company is supposed to pay for that shit.

>>16723496
should pay for a less retarded contractor instead of paying for a 4k ringbell...

>>16723523
I didn't pay for the contractor; the electricity company did.

And I'm not paying for the bell either; the insurance company is.

>>16723540
burgers... just have an insurance and everything will be dandy. good luck then.

>>16723555
That's literally what insurance is for: to compensate for the shit that gets damaged under its coverage.
Is 'insurance' a new concept for you or something?

>>16723576
4k ringbell.... if the handle was made of gold at least...

>>16723593
That's what it cost to install in the first place.
So that's what the insurance has to cough up.

we got your point faggot no need for 10 posts saying the same shit, why don't you ask your electrician how the fuck would we know where he gets his parts, i'm just kekking at that price
>withstand decades of outside weather
nigger today you can put a 1cm invisible camera outside and when someone rings you see them on your phone, all of this for 50$ max, chinks make cheaper products for less, so while you're at it, research the chink prices, then become an electrician yourself and start charging insurances 4k$ and fix it for 100$ max, people don't give a shit as long as the insurance is paying, and insurances can't tell you how to fix your fares, so try to profit from it instead of this pussy like curiosity that won't bring you closer to making it.

>>16723340
What does the price offer include? Parts + labor? If it's both then its because the labor is super easy since the cables/mounts are in place. Or if it's a bit older model your wanting replaced then it is probably cheaper and the website hasn't been updated to reflect that. Or he's ordering used parts off Ebay

>>16723606
so, what is the retail cost of the goods only? without the montage?

>>16723373
oh say can u see
1000% markups for me
>>16723483
contractor price will be nowhere fucking near 'website RRP', thats just to impress the end customers. But unless your quote specifies same model, nothing stopping him throwing in a cheepo chink equivalent. And $4k for this trash, assuming original wiring still usable, its a bad joke anyway.

>>16723622
>>16723623
The offer is parts+labor.

Labor is 310 Euros. The rest is all parts (external unit+internal unit+bus)

>>16723636
>contractor price will be nowhere fucking near 'website RRP'
So it's possible his price quote is accurate after all?
Because the prices he gave in his offer are pretty close to the absolute base models that don't have the features I used to have.

>unless your quote specifies same model
It just says "external unit", "internal unit", and "bus".

>>16723340
>Be electrician
>Go to black market
>Buy stolen or counterfeit doorbell for $100
>Look up the price of the genuine doorbell online
>$5000
>Resell he doorbell to your insurance company at a 'discount' price of $4000

>Be you
>Pic related

>>16723636
>oh say can u see
>1000% markups for me
I'm in Europe btw.

Siedle is a very well-respected old-school German brand.

>>16723662
You realize I can just check the authenticity with a simple phone call right?

>>16723340
why are you so dumb
https://www.eibmarkt.com/gb/products/Siedle-Door-station-set-SET-CVB-850-2-E-W.html

>>16723483
Yes, the contractor is getting the components for less than shown on the site. The reason this is is because he is doing what everyone else suggested: buying them from Alibaba direct from China manufacturer. He has a package of stickers so he can brand them as needed.

He isn’t doing anything wrong because the parts Ali sells are the exact same as what the web site sells.

>>16723655
>unless your quote specifies same model
It just says "external unit", "internal unit", and "bus".
ohoh - confirm with your contractor 'in writing' replacement with same (or better..) Siedle brand units. And while they (Siedle) are overpriced, they will be inarguably better quality than random chink replacements.

>>16723699
or throw in some chink garbage and split the rest with the spark, spend on coke n hookers. Result, and you'll never be bothered by unwanted callers again. Or any callers

>>16723674
1) that's the absolute cheapest model line.
My model line is higher end: Vario.
The base model Vario is what my electrician quoted, but my old units had a lot more features than that.

2) How in the world am I dumb?
This is 100% covered by my insurance, I'm not paying a single cent.

Are you suggesting I take it easy on the insurance company by downgrading?

>>16723723
>Are you suggesting I take it easy on the insurance company by downgrading?

i'm suggesting you take your fucking blogposts elsewhere, faggot.

>>16723670
The contractor destroyed your doorbell do that your electrician could pull an insurance fraud (and share the profit with the contractor). The electrician is likely buying the doorbell for a ridiculously low price. It could be stolen, counterfeit, or maybe they buy in bulk.

>>16723731
>ha ha you are dumb for using your insurance to compensate for damage covered by the insurance!

This is you.

>>16723676
>The reason this is is because he is doing what everyone else suggested: buying them from Alibaba direct from China manufacturer.
Nothing has been installed yet.
He said he based the pricing on Siedle units.

>>16723699
He didn't actually install anything yet, I still get to choose whatever I want using the price he quoted as my budget.
The price quote he made was based on Siedle.
I just don't know if he has a "professional" price list for Siedle parts, or if he just went to the website to look for prices.

How the fuck does that phone cost that much? Like over $3k for fucking PHONE and perhaps some inner unit as well. What the fuck. I can get much more intricate devices for cheaper and they're good equipment.

t. eurofag electrician

>>16723776
If you're a Eurofag electrician, then you should know Siedle.
I don't know why this shit is so expensive (especially knowing how quickly video tech is evolving), but I do know I wouldn't trust Chink qc to remain functional after 20 years of sitting outside in all weather conditions.

>>16723766
for that money you could get a decent used car that’ll drive your dumb ass for a couple of years.
that electrician is scamming the shit out of the insurance which is a chad move

>>16723751
yeah well, you yourself are saying it's not accurate, so obviously he didn't base the pricing on Siedle units.

>>16723766
no, there's no "professional price list" that contractors have access too. that's not how appliances are sold.

>>16723743
>The electrician is likely buying the doorbell for a ridiculously low price.
If I tell him to install Siedle, then it's gong to be Siedle.
It's extremely easy to check authenticity.

And if he can get Siedle parts for a ridiculously low price, then good on him.
It's not my money anyway.

>>16723802
>that electrician is scamming the shit out of the insurance
The pricing he gave is very close to the pricing given by Siedle on their website.

So how would he be scamming?

>>16723813

Only thing I can figure out is that he went and looked at the parts prices from siedle where the insurance probably looks and asks at the prices then asked his own wholesale place for a offer of the parts. Then he did little math realized wholesale will get him the phone for pennies and the siedle price on the website is probably for the whole cabling work etc which in this case is probably not needed hence the low as fuck labour costs. He is skimming from the siedle price vs wholesale price he is getting. It's not wrong though, material sales are the things that net most cash in our field

t. electrician

>>16723807
>yeah well, you yourself are saying it's not accurate, so obviously he didn't base the pricing on Siedle units.
It's within like 10-20 Euros of the website price.

>no, there's no "professional price list" that contractors have access too. that's not how appliances are sold.
Then I guess he really did low-ball the price quote.

My old external unit had a keypad, and my old internal unit had a memory function.
The same features today would cost 1k more than what he quoted.

>>16723835
So "professional buyers" (like electricians) actually can get appliances like this for a lower price?

Also, does the Siedle website admin lurk here or something?
They just removed the pricing lol.

>>16723850

Fuck yes. We get them cheapppp from wholesale places. Like a wall socket costs like 20-25€ depending in a hardware store. We can buy them for like 5€ or something because we get discounts and not pay VAT. Then we just put the hardware prices in the invoice. It's like fucking 100s % of ROI with some of the parts it's crazy.

>>16723862
Well that gives me a little hope.
I like this electrician dude, and I don't want to have to confront him with this shit.
I specifically asked him for the same features (keypad, memory, ...).

I don't care if he makes a profit off the insurance company, as long as the parts are authentic.

A contractor can get the parts cheaper than you and a non official installation can be cheaper

before this gets to 300 replies, I'd just like to point out, doorbells n sheeit got a hard life. Complex Electronic devices, outdoors in all weathers/temps, getting battered, etc. Siedle make bank because they actually do make quality products that will survive in situations where they -have to-, multi-occupancy apartments and shit. Stuffs probably overboard for a single home owner - I'd stick a hot poker in my eye before spending 4k on a doorbell - and these units probably less robust quality than the multi-bell pro stuff anyway, but, credit where its due, their products ain't garbage. And contractors do get shit cheaper, idk why this is even at issue
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>>16723930
Exactly.
Anyone recommending chinkshit never tried to live with actual chinkshit.

Also it's very funny how so many posters keep shitting on me for getting the insurance company to pay for damages covered by the insurance policy.
sheesh

OP, why don't you just ASK THE FUCKING ELECTRICIAN why his quote is lower that retail, and confirm he's buying the right system?
How the fuck would /biz/ know how your electrician buys parts?

>>16723989
>OP, why don't you just ASK THE FUCKING ELECTRICIAN why his quote is lower that retail, and confirm he's buying the right system?
Because the price quote was already accepted as such by the insurance company.
I don't want to stir up this shit until I get some confirmation.

>How the fuck would /biz/ know how your electrician buys parts?
See thread; at least two posters here are actually electricians.
And the thread is about the financial side of tradesmen like electricians.

I just found out what happened: my electrician's price quote was ex. VAT, while the website pricing was incl. VAT.

The insurance document only approved the "ex VAT" price, hence the confusion on my part.
I called them up and made them add the VAT.
If it hadn't been for this thread I wouldn't have caught their mistake.

Let this be a lesson, /biz/, pic related.

>>16724088
Glad we talked about VAT fren. Hope your shit gets fixed properly. Lots of dingleberries in the industry nowadays.

>>16723393
no that is a logo.
The german stuff is worth the prices, like you said it must perform.

>>16723808
Most people never check the authenticity

>>16724088
Ok now you can ask janny to delete your pointless thread.

>>16724546
this, even though i wouldnt pay 4k for a video door ring, that shit will last and all the burger mentality in this thread is just funny, my siedle doorbell is probably older than most burger homes and will last longer than any of them, of course you dont care about a china doorbell only lasting a year if your house itself doesnt stand longer

I still don't get what's so costly about these doorbells. A 24 megapixel camera? Analog transmission?

so many salty poorfags in this thread, fucking hell

>>16723624
>faggot
I'm buying a 50 buck camera and replacing it every year, oh look at that, 10 years later I spent 500 bucks and my cock is fully ERECT

>>16723483
No he just messed up idiot
Or hes going to fix PART of it only

Why does this thread exist?

Let me help you out

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>premium chink shit
$4000+ for a hardwired camera with a corded receiver and a couple of relays, all dated tech by at least 10 years in comparison to all secure modern offerings, even prosumer shit.
I work in IT doing infrastructure remediation jobs, and the absolute shit-tier boutique bullshit that is sold at a premium is atrocious. I constantly rip out and replace this garbage due to failure, lack of modern compatibility/features, or simply proprietary maintenance by faggot company that installed it.
The larger the company i work with, the more likely they are to drop insane $$$ on bullshit like this....Entire access control systems based in thru-hole PCB tech from 20+ years ago, ancient camera systems, and security checkpoint garbage like OPs.
I replace all this shit with IP based systems...Access control relays for mag locks using PoE vs individually powered modules everywhere, modern NVRs for shitty camera networks, etc etc.

>>16725481
IP door openers.
>wut go rong, etc.
nigga, while there's maybe not a reason for everything, there's certainly one for having wired door openers on a relay.
>ancien tech
which is still around because it works, mostly

>>16723471
>>16723483

you are literally a retarded consumer. jesus christ.

>if this doorbell only costs $4,000 it can't be as good as the one that costs $5,000

yes they do it to you for $4,000 and still make $3,960 profit

>>16726191
The electrician was supposed to make a price quote for a complete replacement of what I had.
And what I had was 5k worth of doorbell, not 4k.

>>16723393
He's probably buying counterfeit parts from chinkland

>>16726216
He hasn't bought anything yet.
And I can very easily verify authenticity.

>>16726215
but a "5k worth" doorbell bought 2 years ago can be worth literally any amount of money today

>>16726244
They have to provide a full equivalent in terms of quality (i.e. branding) and features.
That means they basically have to pay the full amount as paid when new.

>>16726229
It might be authentic, in the sense that it came from the same facility that real ones come from. It's called a ghost shift. Counterfeit shit finds it's way into the supply chain all the time, and they are very good at what they do. Fake chips have even been installed in Sikorsky helicopters.

>>16726298
Shit like this is precisely why you buy from reputable brands.