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>>16668149
Yeah this is peak. Just like 19.5k btc. Enjoy the upcoming dump.

>>16668159
Latest get was in smg today too

STIFF

CRYPTO FAGS BTFO

CRYPTO SHITCOINERS BTFO

>>16668168
Seething cryptard. 2020 will be another bullrun for stonks.

>>16668149
>Not a bubble

the higher they climb...

>>16668149
Vegeta! What's the scouter say about Nasdaq's power level?

Fucking crypto cucks are on legit suicide watch

absolutely terrifying

>>16668264
Crypto has been officially dead for some time now.

>>16668233
You are dumb, the whole world is in a recession period just as the USA influences the globe , the globe influences markets. Welcome to globalism wonders.
Enjoy it while you can, it won't last.

>>16668264
2 years ago I told someone that the Bitcoin boom was going to be a repeat of the Dot Com Bubble and I was laughed off.

>>16668243
>Not a bubble
stocks-organic growth

crypto-pump and dump ponzi scam

deal with it zoomer

Funny isn't it. Cryptocucks bought into a get rich quick scheme, while stockchads played the long game, and they won. People are making hundreds to thousands PER DAY

>>16668305
>crptotards
>people

It's just the way nature has of weeding out the retards

>>16668280
>implying cryptards and goldbugs haven't been saying this since forever
I know this is an echo chamber, but will you at least admit the people calling for worldwide recessions have been wrong for the last 10 years?

>>16668301
Anon was being sarcastic

>>16668338
Its happening already you blind fuck. Just not on your country.

>>16668338
delete this

>>16668305
but isn't playing crypto also part of the long game? Not talking about the shitcoins, the ones with actual fundamentals that will be used

>>16668260
The cheaper they become.

>>16668285
Tulip mania. Rinse repeat. No one listen.

>>16668280
a recession will come, last 6-24 months then a 10 year bull run again (as long as leftist tards don't get into the white house)

>>16668280
It's not a recession yet, it'll probably be a few months before the shoe drops given the other factors showing warning signs.

>>16668285
well man, thats just like, your opinion man

>>16668363
>The ones with actual fundamentals that will be used.
>With actual fundamentals that will be used
>That will be used
>Be used

>>16668415
Something that grows that fast will always crash. In 2016 1 BTC was about 2000 USD, in late 2017 it was 10 times that.

>>16668428
now you're just being a shortsighted boomer

>>16668338
QE is literally "printing money to pump the stonks"

>>16668168
Except stocks are ownership to a company and give money back to its owners.
While btc is just internet monopoly money.

Mmm yes, I love salty doomsday faggot tears
Get fucked

>>16668442
So how did the fiscal cliff work out for you?

CRYPTO IS DEAD!

>>16668442
Sure, but it works, and inflation remains at all time lows. Lmao at cucks not actually holding the literal means of production in this environment and joining the FED chads. Wait, did you actually think someone other than Tether scammers and other interesting characters of the sort would pump your crypto?

>>16668484
This kills the cryptocuck

>>16668438
boomers are 60+yrs old not 30 stupid zoom zoom

>>16668233
You’re literally retarded it’s sad.

>>16668543
Imagine being this new

>fed literally 10s of billions/mth
>recession

Please wake tf up. The fed is literally giving itself up, legs wide open, and people always crying for money are saying “hurrhurr buhurrhurr I’m skurd!” Stop being a scared pajeet shit streeter, get in there, and fuck this bitch raw!

>>16668149
Did you say over 9000?

>>16668445
>give money back to its owners
uber, lyft, wework, beyond etc.

its a bubble

Its not a bubble buy in right now guys, don't you want money?

>>16669196
lmao, what are you saying?

>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP BUYING STOCKS AND MAKING GAINS. WHAT ABOUT THE RECESSION. DON'T YOU WANT BITCOIN AND PRECIOUS METALS???

I literally made 7k in Amazon calls today

My decision to stop fighting the fed and let daddy Jerome fuck my ass was the best decision I’ve ever made. Thank you daddy Jerome for the money, the market is always green

>>16668168
>>16668243
>>16668280
Short the top then faggots

>>16668338
>stocks highest they've ever been
>NEW PARADIGM!!!
>its not going to crash hard af
Ok nigger

>>16668149
its over NINE THOOOUSSANNND

>>16668149

>>16668149
If the stock market is doing so well, why are so many people broke?

>>16669317
Based
Daddy Jerome says inflation is too low, still under 3%.
I take this as the repo market issues mean nothing to them.
With inflation under 3% they will have no shame for outright QE again.
New paradigm for 2020....or until a Democrat gets elected.

>>16668149
Tell me how I know this is gonna crash Q1 of 2020

>>16669609
Cause of don kruger

>>16668168
Based on what? Your childish need for it to dump, because you idiotically think bitcoin will be the safe havens for normal people in an economic crash? Or pure grain hopium swigging, that you believe shitcoins will replace the USD?
There is plenty of actual data that shows the stock market is booming because the trade instabilities are shored up with trade deals, the US economy is in far better shape than the democratic candidates want you to believe, and tech stocks have rallied because people are shifting away from the get rich quick high risk ETFs and back into blue chip.
A recession WILL come. They're just part of a normal cycle. But they can be pushed off, and the one predicted for 2020-21 may have been pushed off another year or so, this new leg up has solid roots.
Believe what you want, but the people I know who work in finance and such are very bullish for 2020. But if you want to be an incel and triple down on the losing team, you're free to do that. Go on and keep hating money. It's working so well for you so far.

>>16668280
The US economy has more influence than recession in 3rd world shitholes, stupid.

>>16669196
uber and lyft destroyed an entire industry and are continuing to grow their market share. They aren't losing money due to the taxi service being unprofitable, it's because money towards gaining market share and investing in R&D.

Wework was a shit show.

Beyond is overvalued just like any meme stock.

>etc
Yeah, probably not.

So like 5 stocks out of thousands.
Just like what the other guy said, what's your point? They're about to crash? Good I'll buy more on the way down and it'll recover.

You on the other hand, holding and purchasing monopoly money that doesn't generate anything or any beneficial value what so ever. It's just bunch of degenerate gamblers gambling with each other.

>>16668409
The warning signs aren't there. The media and the democratic presidential and delusional coinfags want them to be there, but they're not. Not in the US, anyway.

>>16668442
QE was ended quite a while ago, dummy. Try to keep up.

>>16669609
>fed literally blowing billions into the markets.
>biz still in denial

Bullish conviction confirmed. Green dildos still thrusting. Max leverage initiated .

>>16669609
if only you knew how wrong you are

>>16669739
if only you knew how wrong you are

>>16669835
no u

>>16668149
Stupid fuckers, everything is pumping.

>>16669711
What about the yield curve inversion? All of the bubbles happening from corporate debt, consumer debt, etc etc? The freaking repo market crap happening and zombie banks? Job displacement from automation? Public pensions and social security going empty? How do you think there arent warning signs

>>16669609
This. I’m aware of it so now it has to crash and crab into eternity

>>16670172
Those were always issues.

>>16670209
The repo market crap is recent though

>>16670172
What about it? The repo market is pure meme here from people who don't understand what it is - the repo market is the NORMAL way the Fed did things, before QE, and have returned to it since September when QE was ended, and it's working again. It's eyebrow raising how high they raised the potential lending limits (repo is not a guaranteed pump of money, it's just how much potential short term loans they're offering) - but in the light of the trade wars, it makes sense. And, now that the trade issues are improving, it's most probable those lines of loans won't be used - if you look into repos since September, the banks aren't rushing to use them, which dampens the prospect of any looming financial crisis.
There are always Chicken Littles, no matter what. Will there be a recession? Probably. When is up to debate, but for right now, the smarter guys are saying 'not yet, we're good to go for another year."
As for bubbles, the markets have learned to live with them, there will probably always be bubbles moving forward. It's the new normal. The current ones will deflate, new ones will blow up to replace them.
I won't deny there are long term signals, but some of them have been there decades now. You can choose how to react to them. I've been around long enough to know A. recessions aren't that bad, they're short term, B. financial crisis like 2008 can't be predicted, C. the players have learned from 2008, and built safeguards against it, and some might even work.
You can freak out, or accept that it's always been like this, one way or another. People have been calling the end of the world financially since the 70s.

>>16670246
>muh repo
you dont know what your talking about

>>16670268
People have been calling the end of the world since the very beginning of the world

>>16670284
This. The whole Chicken Little story was made up for a reason.

>tfw pulled out of AMD two weeks ago because I didn't expect the market to go into full overdrive before inevitable recession
>tfw I could have literally made a couple thousand more just by fucking WAITING until New Years
I never saved any pink Wojaks, but now would be the fucking time to post one. GODDAMNIT

How does he keep pumping the US stock market to all time highs?

>>16670277
Quasi-QE? Fuck off retard, stop acting like these last few months have been nornal, or acting like youre smart in the least

>>16668305

>PROTIP

Patience is a virtue.

>>16670391
By sticking to his guns regarding trade. US companies are reaping the benefits of him slowing the flood of cheap Chinese goods into the country. Use your brain. The economy is rumbling right along, it's strong, people are working, and the stock market, which has always been partially a barometer, is reacting.
The issue is, how will the Dems try to sour it all, to make the case for their candidate. They always try to win on a sour economy, and are gearing up to do just that. The media will shriek at you for the next year how the wheels are falling off, but they're not. Surprisingly not true at all, if you look closely. And, of course, the degenerate gamblers and get rich quick junkies here have huffed themselves so retarded, they think a financial crisis will make them millionaires, or something like that.

Fucking Trump schizo cocksucker, you deserve what is coming next and I like trump btw.

>>16670432
Based

>>16668280
The U.S. has never, not a single time, been dragged into recession because of global slowdowns. We take the world into recession, not the other way around.

>>16668149

and all you retards are buying silver and bitcoin praying hoping that the world is going to end so you can finally be ontop or right for once in your life about something. dont you realise that you were always meant to be the poor fag and lose to the stacies and the chads, it was your destiny and you cant fight with it

>>16670942
I've tried to explain cointards that if the world economy blew up, their internet coins would be worthless. At least precious metals would hold their value until the world recovered, and then you'd get paid. A world where silver coins are currency again is one nobody wants to live in, that means going through a dark ages.
I don't love the Fed or how any of it works, but it's the only game in town, and the only thing that could replace it is a world government type thing, and if that ever happens, it ain't gonna be an internetcoin.
But you can't force the irrational to be rational. Like Robert Heinlein said, never try to teach a pig to sing, it makes you look foolish, and annoys the pig.

>>16668840
why did it take like 100 replies before someone posted this? 4chan has been destroyed by normies and newfaggots

>>16668442

why, yes. because the magacorps behind the stocks are producing shit of value.

even the Boeing fuckup with MAX - it is absolutely out of question that is must be bailed out in case of any financial problem, because one fuckup does not imply the whole business is done for.

so, yes, support producers of value by all means, especially virtual dollars on fed accounts.

>IT HAS TO GO UP FOREVER

America is in a golden bull run and really, there is no alternative

Buybacks caused this bubble. It won't crash unless algos are outlawed or full on human fomo outpace the algos, which is what happened to cause the BTC 20k crash. Algos also ran BTC up but that is less complicated than what happens in the US market.

i made 15k off of a 1k investment today but my toilet paper tier hands threw away 35k more gains

crypto post 2018 is a fucking meme
these boomer faggot stocks is where its at

>>16671685
unironically this. well, not forever, but if its a bull market tomorrow then we have until at least mid to late jan to fleece redd*tors jej

>>16669692
Ok boomer

>>16668149
It's a wealth redistribution scheme. Money is created, enters the markets, devalues against everything but the markets. Shareholders retain wealth and the ability to access financing while the entities outside the market rot. Cool story is that crashing the markets will just destroy the protected wealth and will not restore the transferred wealth.

You should be buying in because if it keeps going you win and if it fails the world won't be worth living in anyway.

>>16670172
It doesn't matter. You can inflate the monetary pool into the market to disproportionately protect shareholders from the consequences. Shareholders are ultimately what companies and, therefore, governments care about.

>>16670432
This is the delusional phase to a T.

>>16671106
> says he tries to explain that digital cash would never happen
> brings up how if we started using silver it’d be like the dark ages
You fucking what m8? Digital currency is the future. Evolve or die.

>>16668445

>>16669196
it's a bubble, but it goes beyond thar

>tax cuts+all-time low interest rates
>companies use all taht cash to buy back their own stock
>this drives the price up, further generating revenue for said companies
>loop

financial growth is inflated compared to actual growth
if real growth was that subsantial, the economy could handle a rise in interest rates, which it can't
we're ful pedal to the metal, charts go parabolic that's enough that everyone ignores the rest
the whole economy is like a broke ghetto nigger driving around in a flashy sports car financed via revolving credit
>if I was poor I would'nt be driving this car, so if I have it, it means I'm rich

>>16672327
But does the credit revolving door ever end?

>>16670432
>US companies are reaping the benefits of him slowing the flood of cheap Chinese goods into the country
fucking kek, you're not too big on books are you?
if the economy was so strong, it could handle higher interest rate without toppling down.
the whole shitshow is like a broke nigger using revolving credit lines to drive around in a sportscar,
"muh chinese goods" show me stocks of american mmanufacturing companies, and how much they weigh in the economy you absolute retard

>>16672356
Is the US a manufacturing based economy?

Thanks based trump.

As long as 99% of you plebs are convinced that a "massive recession" is right around the corner, I'll feel safe keeping my money in the market.

All you see on Bloomberg, Yahoo, and the Internet every day is "market will crash!!!".

Every Joe Public investor and their grandmas are living in fear of a major crash.

When your boomer parents keep posting about the inevitable financial doom on facebook, you know it's time to buy.

>>16672383
you tell me

>>16668262
kek

>it will go up forever
>it's different this time
>stocks are still undervalued

>analysts increased the target price

>>16668149
It's more than obvious what Trump is doing regarding the stock market - perfect timing for the 2020 election.

>>16672349
as long as you have income to repay yes
problem is when you use credit income to not work, end up broke and in debt, and your cedit score is too bad for you to borrow
low interest rates are tool that you use to jumpstart recovery after a crash, money is cheap, so companies and consumers borrow to consume
when a crisis hits and interests are at rock bottom, you can't lower them. this has litteraly never happened before, we're litterly pumping the economy , and no one has a clue how long it can go on for. What every one agrees on, is that when this music stops, we're going to witness the biggest shit hit the biggest fan ever, the scope of the next crisis will make 2008 look like a walk in the park

Can't be the only one here who invests in crypto AND stocks.

>>16668149

It is so silly. Half a year ago nasdaq fans by 10 points... all over the media: catastrophe omg and so on. It matters nothing. I told you.

>>16672439

>>16672483
Could they not just go negative interest like Trump tweeted about? At least to keep the Boomers happy until they die off and leave the rest holding their bags .

>>16672515
>doesn’t own stocks
What’s it like growing up a poor black child with a single mother?

>>16672586
>being realistic
>you dont any stocks

>>16672571
negtive rates is more of the same, but on steroids
you'd be not only injecting massive amounts of liquidity in the economy, but now not all of it is repayed back (at -1%, you'd give back 99k after broowing 100k), go high enough (in negative) and you're virtually creating money, before you know it you're buying your bread with a wheelbarow of bills worth less than the paper they're printed on

6 months ago everyone was sure a recession was coming. now we bull again. this is complacency. retail investors are panic rushing in at the peak again.

>>16672571
Yes they could, this is what japs been doing and eu now, germany's debt is DECRESING fast now. If bond is negative yield then you printing your way out of debt eventually. Negative savings account rate is bad idea tho, it's different. japs have that too, they get the cash out of banks and store it at safety storages

>>16672623
>you'd be not only injecting massive amounts of liquidity

No the "QE money" never makes it to the economy, that's why it goes to reserves mostly. People dont take loans enough it to make it to economy

>>16672737
How do I maximize profit from negative interest? Seems like a huge opportunity

There's this zoomer at work with zero trading experience getting hype about options/margin trading past few days(boomer stocks). Reminds me of December 2017 when i was near my ATH with crypto and I was sitting at the bottom of a mountain ski lodge waiting for frends and every other normie was talking about ethereum and litecoin. This is all a huge sell signal

Warren is sitting on a pile of cash, and I'll always follow what Warren does. People laugh at him today, but they laughed at him in 1999 all the same. Turns out they didn't laugh that much over a year later.

>>16672779
Yeah I have cash on the side waiting for it to crash and it never does. In all honesty I’m prob the retard

>>16672779
My alcoholic cousin keeps pushing me to invest in stocks and keeps bragging about how he made like $2,000 from his Amazon shares. This is why I save cash and buy shiny rocks.

>>16672997
>Warren is sitting on a pile of cash
That's what he wants you to think.

>>16673715
No that's what Berkshire's annual reports say

>>16673722
Annual report from 2018? Meanwhile the stock market has grown by 30% kek

>>16669265

He can name 4 stocks that went down so that means every publicly traded company is a scam and his bitdinars will make him rich someday.