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Why are INFPs and INTPs so bad at making money?

>> No.16618124

>>16618117
INTP here, it's because I don't care

>> No.16618128

>>16618117
INTPs have little interest in playing the Jews' games.

>> No.16618131

>tfw ISTJ
>3rd best
This must be before LINK takes off

>> No.16618141

>>16618117
apparently I'll make it big, according to this chart. sadly this entire personality test bs is just you putting on a mask carved by some gay jew

>> No.16618150

>>16618124
>>16618128
*because you're lazy leeches

>> No.16618156

>>16618150
I never said I wasn't a lazy leech

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>>16618150
Someone got out of their wagecage early today.

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>>16618117
INTP here, basically this:
>>16618128

>> No.16618179

INFP reporting in. It's true.

I'm too easy to coax into a disadvantageous situation for the benefit of the malicious actor.

Glad I found crypto and did great there.

>> No.16618213

>>16618117
>ISTJ
>3rd place

Hmm although I save money well I lost a lot by going into the stock market. Nearly entirely out, not playing on the stock market again unless a full blown recession/depression occurs.

t. An unemployed guy

>> No.16618302

>>16618117
>introverted people are worth half as much as extroverts
What did society mean by this?

>> No.16618309
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I'm an INTP and the main problems for me are definitely a lack of ambition, combined with procrastination. Then you've got social issues like anxiety. Job interviews these days leave me on the verge of having a panic attack. Then we are employed, or maybe it's just me. I tend to be afraid to make mistakes, so I'm soft spoken, bossed around and complacent. I never demand better working conditions, a higher salary etc but simply just bend and flex to the people around me, especially the manager.

I dropped out of college when I was younger because I didn't know how important it was to have a degree/study. I was fresh out of highschool, I had no idea. Now I have a massive student loan and can't get another loan anymore to actually study something seriously now. I'm stuck in the job bracket where several other applicants apply, you barely make enough to save anything, the work is soul crushing and the managers and people have a chip on their shoulder...

I missed life playing video games and didn't realize until it was too late uwu

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16618335

intp = autistic and they dont like working with people that's why

>> No.16618349

Step your game up I always score either INTP or INFP and I’m in the top 1% of wrath brackets by net worth for my age. Trick is you can’t play by the Jew rules, INTP’s typically realize in wagie world ass kissing and bootlicking is the only way to get ahead and it disgusts us. I can see why some of us completely don’t care, they don’t call it the rat race/hedonistic tread mill for nothing. I strictly view money now as a means to an end of escapi wage cuckoldry and making my dreams and passions come to life.

>> No.16618367

>>16618349
How did you make your money

-INTP

>> No.16618374

>that feeling when you’re off the charts

>> No.16618380

>>16618349
Not necessarily the case. sometimes they just like the substance of their work too much and get carried away in doing shit properly while disregarding ensuring they'll be rewarded for it.

>> No.16618381

>>16618302

Half of business is getting along with people and building networks. Goes for almost any well paid job, got to have a client base and connections.

>> No.16618386

>>16618349
100% agree. I’m intj though.

>> No.16618393

>INTP
>NEET
ask me anything

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>>16618141
Yeah, what’s the deal with the Myers Briggs tests posts all over 4chan recently? The whole thing doesn’t have scientific data backing it. The theory was just created in some guys head but never tested.

>> No.16618400

>>16618381
Then what is the purpose of introverts in our society?

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>>16618117
Because Myers-Briggs is just a pseudoscientific version of the much more accurate and predictive Big 5 trait psychology model

>> No.16618409

INFP here, I have deemed society as unworthy of my efforts to improve it. I have instead decided to spend my time in other worlds.

>> No.16618411

>INTP
>make less than 15k per year after tax
>too dumb to greentext

>> No.16618415

>>16618400
To make good memes

>> No.16618419

>>16618400

There is behind the scenes work. Analysts, engineers, etc. And you can still be a functional introvert, it's just that complete autists are on the introverted side of things too and skew the whole average because they can't function at all.

Extreme extroverts STILL function well in society, they're annoying ass salesmen and they get paid well

in other words, all extroverts can function, but at least 1/3rd of introverts can't.

>> No.16618423

>>16618406
>high openness to experience
>low conscientiousness
>low agreeableness
>low extroversion
>high neuroticism
recommend me a job, lmao

>> No.16618428

INTP here and I just don't give a shit. If my crypto moons that's great but I legitimately don't mind being poor and white trash it's pretty fun actually.

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>>16618406
Yeah but Big 5 isn't as fun and larpy

>> No.16618449
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>tfw started college an INTJ but got slowly pushed over the edge into ENTJ territory as I had to interact with people constantly in order to get women and job offers

>> No.16618450

>>16618423
Lmao you're me except I'm middle in extroversion and openness
Still haven't found a good job

>> No.16618455

ISTJ gang

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>>16618428

>don't mind being poor

No, being poor sucks >:(

>> No.16618460

>>16618150
lmao wagie cope, go die

>> No.16618482

>>16618395
it has been tested, but it doesn't have any more significance than everything you could attribute to your core self and your situation by yourself

>> No.16618487

>>16618400
leadership ironically. introverts aren't bad socially, they just don't engage in it

>> No.16618580

>>16618179
lol nigga you probably dont even have a full bitcoin.

>> No.16618583

>>16618419
What you're saying is the introverts do all the actual work, while the extroverts spend their time making the connections in order for the Introverts to make the money, for which the extroverts take 2/3s

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>INTP
>on track to breaking 100k / year next year
>literally top 1% in my field
>career trajectory to make me a millionaire over the next 10-15 and retire early
>literally spent my 20s partying, smoking weed and banging sluts, never took shit seriously and now doing well
what turned it around for me? literally seeing an autistic INTJ that made half a mill selling shit online and I figured if this retard can do it I should be doing better as well. pic somewhat related.

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>>16618124
INTP's are scientists and academics. They are always hopping from one idea to the next without sticking to one until it bears fruits. You figure out the rest.

INTJ/ENTJ Master race here. Also, FUCK feelers.

>> No.16618642

>>16618583

Nah. Cooperation and collaboration is a huge part of human productivity. If we'd all stuck to ourselves and worked in isolation we would still be in log cabins sending paper mail at best.

I'm a software engineer, even my job requires a decent amount of interaction. You can't lone wolf it and a lot of introverts are basically incapable of working with others, seeking and giving help, providing input.

Introverts have the opportunity to learn and know how to collaborate with people, and if they manage that they can be unstoppable. I'm pretty sure Gates, Bezos, and Buffett are introverts at heart, they just know how to navigate people settings as well to get their ideas into practice.

>> No.16618653

>>16618583
which is why it's better to just learn social skills as an introvert and work for your own good. no need to be a cuck if you're capable

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>intp
>good job (160k starting)
>never spend money and spend all my time alone
Just gonna save to retire and live alone.

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16618716

>tfw ISTP

>> No.16618723

>age
>Meyers-Briggs horoscope type
>salary
24
INTJ
85,000

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>>16618117
Luckily for me I always scored the 4 on the right over the years. It wasn't until I grew up and evolved out of being nothing but a bundle of nerve endings that I became the more rational and logic driven chad I am now. I love INTP women. They keep things interesting and bring you back down to earth. Freaks in bed also. The lot of them.

MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY AND PROFITS NOW.

>> No.16618788

>>16618716
ISTPs would be rooks in chess. They have a purpose but cannon fodder overall.

>> No.16618798

>>16618629
This post was meant as an answer to OP's question. But heed the advice and sort your life out mate.

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16618811

Some advice for Zoomers feeling lost about their careers or their futures.

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>>16618117

>> No.16618846

INTP I keep starting businesses but as soon as I start to get successful I feel bored and become obsessed with something else.

>> No.16618847

>>16618823
Fucking hell. I wish I could help you. "Explorer" types are literal normies. All normies fall into this category. Play to your strengths is the best advice I can give you.

>> No.16618866

>>16618846
This is why you will never make it. Find something big that will "feel" (we're intuitive types, so this is hard to imagine I know) like you are climbing a mountain. Big problems require big solutions. Big solutions have big rewards. Learn to delegate.

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>>16618846
Also, don't confuse your "boredom" for self-sabotage. I am friends with a lot of INTP's who are afraid of success and self-sabotage a lot. You got this mate.

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>>16618847
There's something hilarious about how much faith you have in a personality test, then endearingly belittle him based on getting a "normie" result. KEK

>> No.16618909

>>16618400
Art and enjoying life unlike the cumbrains and cucks

>> No.16618911

>>16618811
>musician
>artist
>writer
Yeah sure if an INFP manages to find success at these, that's great, but you might as well play the lottery. Shit like this is just making INFPs feel better about the fact that they don't fit into society at all

>> No.16618926

>>16618171
If you play chess, you will know that sometimes you have to make sacrifices in the short term for an "edge" in the long term. So the kikes have taken the middle of the board? Fuck it, sacrifice some rooks and use your other pieces. If there is a will they is a way. If there isn't a way, make one.

>> No.16618929

>>16618811
>INFP
>Priest
it's all true...

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>>16618904
It's heuristic. Nothing more. Nothing less.

>> No.16618948

>>16618629
>INTJ/ENTJ Master race here
I'm INTJ and I don't know what I should do to get money, what do you do? what are you planning?

>> No.16618949

>>16618117
I am ENTJ and do well kek

>> No.16618957

>>16618723
21
INFP
-9000

>> No.16618966

>>16618449
Are you me

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>>16618926
What's the chess move where Israel can openly attack the US, kill sailors, then have the government and the media completely bend reality to make it a non-event?

>> No.16618986

>>16618117
INTPs due to overthinking
I'd say we are bad at making money, yet good at not spending them. Hence the net effect is positive and definitely ahead of most normaltards

>> No.16618988

>>16618723
>35
>INFP
>45,000

>> No.16619002

>>16618788
The role of the ISTP is knowing they're cattle and bending the knee as their masters told them
what a sad excuse of an individual

>> No.16619008

>>16618866
>>16618847

Yeah I used to have a bunch of employees but I am currently down to one. Delegating is so hard for me. And yeah there is probably a good deal of self sabotage happening as well. Good call.

>> No.16619022

>>16618117
ENTJ here, feels good man

>> No.16619026

>>16618975
Removing the opponent's pieces when they aren't looking then tricking them into thinking that you won fairly.

>> No.16619040

What is the major difference between xNxx and xSxx?

>> No.16619066
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>>16618948
Bear with me here:

Ever since I was a child I was interested in finance, power, politics, analysis, technology, science, and rocketry. I wanted to be a NASA astronaut when I was a child. Got real in middle school. I wanted to be lawyer then politician in high school. Started college off as a computer science major in college then changed majors to molecular biology to become a researcher. I dropped out and worked in sales for 3 years before saying "fuck earning money for someone else" and went the entrepreneur route.

I now day/swing trade stocks and some crypto in order to "hunt" the money. I then funnel my earnings into a safe, low volatility, dividend yielding portfolio I manage and the rest into the ventures I go into. I'm currently running a small adtech operation and partners with someone who works on nutritional health/wellbeing products. I plan on parlaying into bigger and more lucrative things as the years go by.

The moral of the story is to consolidate. Consolidate, consolidate, consolidate. Keep trimming down until you are working with your biggest strengths or a core set of skills you feel you have mastery of. I've been lucky to be able to code, fuck around with money, meet people, and boss people around.

Do think, just do. Seriously, don't think. Just do. You know how awesome it feels when you get into the flow of things.

>> No.16619072

>>16618117
>ISTP

AHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.16619076

>>16619040
Ns are "thinkers" and use logic. Ns are "feelers" and sense their surroundings.

>> No.16619084

>>16619076
Ss are the "feelers". My mistake there.

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>>16618949
As you should my general. As you should.

>> No.16619105

>>16619040
One is a porn site

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>>16618117

Cuz people control money. Whether it’s fed chairman or ceo of megacorp or personal finance, people control the ebb and flow of money. Even at the individual sales level, you have to be personable and interact with people. For now.

Some spaces require minimal interaction. For example, stock/crypto trading can be fully automated and based on strict rules. Maybe when defi comes into maturity, introverts can be the unknown millionaire next door.

>> No.16619147

>>16619130
Give me a quick run down on that image please. I've forgotten how to read those things.

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>>16618117
i used to get infp
how did i change so much

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>>16618117
There are two types of INFPs, the hippie type and the depressed artist type and we are not motivated by money. INFPs are motivated by love so while INFP girls might do okay, INFP guys like myself are doomed cause we are the most feminine out of all the types and nice guys finish last. It's already fucking over, I would have necked myself a long time ago if I wasn't so curious about future tech and shit.

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>>16619158
You've leveled up into a Chad. Welcome home, brother.

>> No.16619196

I took my test yesterday and I got ISTP-T. The graph shows that ISP makes the least money so all of ISPs? Also how do I better tailor ISTP then

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>>16619169
Have you thought about making a pilgrimage to Silicon Valley and maybe working in design, advertising, or visual arts? Might be worth the trip to the Mecca of future tech. You have nothing to lose. If you have to sleep in your car for a while, California is the best place to do it. I did for a bit. Was pretty based. There are also still communes and shared living spaces in the SF Bay Area. You work for your food in co-op type arrangements. They might be worth looking into. Chin up. Onward my man.

>> No.16619232

>>16618811
>INFJ
>speech pathologist
how do they know language is my thing

>> No.16619240

>>16618642
Making it as an introvert isn't becoming Bill Gates, it's becoming Steve Wozniak

>> No.16619269

>>16618117
The P's are all hindsight, retrospective analysis. The J's jump on opportunities and get moving.

>> No.16619288

>>16619232
It's a heuristic. There is truth to a lot of it. A lot of spergs on 4chan shit on it because they think they are special and can't/shouldn't be put into a box. There has been a lot of research in this area. Large businesses and corporations stick to this heuristic to make operations smoother. Are you going to stick an hard introvert into a sales team trying to close a million/billion dollar deal? No. Are you going to make an extroverted social butterfly a quantitative analyst at a finance firm? No. It takes different types to make the world go round. We're all wired differently.

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>>16619288
i dont doubt a lot of it, but it does worry me that im in the middle of most of these, and it's gone back and forth over the years for all except the Introvert

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>>16618629
You’re doing it wrong

>> No.16619340

>>16618741
INTP trap here can confirm intp girls are the best

>> No.16619382

>>16619147
He basically says social skills are valued by successdul people as more important than intellectual skills. Intelligence is rated lower than ability to get along. Which is confirmed by many people who are considered successful. Look at Kanye and fifty cent. Their ability was started in rapping and they Max leveraged by attracting other rappers and artists to become successful. But people fail to recognize the past doesn't equal the future. Is there a Max critical for socializing? We see it already. Automation and AI are the new Max leverage. They don't require people. Or rather AI and automation structure people into automatic systems. This is where the introvert will excel because in his mind this future is already his past.

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>>16619321
Are you an "A-assertive" MBTI type or a "T-turbulent" MBTI type? Figure out which of the two you are and find out what your "Enneagram of Personality" is. Doing these two things can help bring you tons of clarity. Play to your strengths after that to get over that worry you feel. I've been there anon.

"Know thyself, know thy worth"

>> No.16619471

>>16619441
im 51% turbulent according to the same test.

>> No.16619499

>>16618456
Not when you're on gibs it doesn't :)

>> No.16619528

>>16619330
I was looking for this one. Based.

>>16619340
They see you as an experiment in a laboratory and nothing more. Sorry to tell you lad. :(

>>16619382
This re-inforces the adage that "it's all about who you know and not what you know" so to speak. To add to this... take a guess at who is most worried about automation. Out of the countless clients I met over the years and people I've interacted with regarding the topic. Take a guess. Fine. You don't have to. I'll tell you. It's the "feelers" aka xSxx types. I can't wait for our automaton AI overlords to get here. The future cannot come soon enough.

>>16619471
Damn man. You ARE a hybrid. As a turbulent type, I can tell you that meditating once or twice a day and writing my reflections down at the end of every day has helped stave off the worry you speak of. My emotions used to get me into heaps of shit. Find your Enneagram of Personality as well. Don't forget to play to your strengths.

>> No.16619587

>>16619528
turns out I'm 99% type 5, at least there's something i can fit into

>> No.16619621

Intp probably chooses careers like physics and teaching. Neither of these pay well. J types probably gravitate towards management. But the top professionals in most fields are probably all Intp and intj. I kinda doubt how accurate this graph is though. Sample size must be small.

>> No.16619643

>>16618117
Surprised INTJ incomes are so bad. Very embarrassing.

t. 205k income 22yo INTJ

>> No.16619676

>>16619587
Myyyyy nigga. Come to find out Bobby Fischer is also a Type 5. Try to take up chess. Might be a good outlet. I hope that the road ahead of your is now much more illuminated. You should also take up chess.

>> No.16619688

>>16619643
What do you do for a living?

>> No.16619694

>>16619688
Quant SWE

>> No.16619707

>>16619694
Is that pre or post bonus?

>> No.16619716

>>16619688
>What do you do for a living?
larps on 4chan

>> No.16619717

>>16619707
Prorated income (salary + guaranteed bonus). With discretionary bonus it's higher.

>> No.16619737

>>16619158
You went from real human bean to NPC faggot.

>> No.16619755

>>16619717
Good luck bro. Don't let your MD's overwork you and treat you like dog shit. Know when to tell them to fuck off.

A good salesman is a dime a dozen, even the shittiest quant is worth his weight in gold.

>> No.16619788

>>16619240
Woz is a well known extrovert

>> No.16619864

>>16619788
I agree. He's always on speaking tours and mingles with other innovators/entrepreneurs non-stop. Bill Gates also isn't an introvert like the other anon implied. He's an ENTJ/ESTJ. The way he ran Microsoft in the early days is a proof positive. Geeks and nerds just always get lumped as introverts at by the general public. Fuck normies. Reee.

>> No.16619916

>>16618124
>>16618128
>>16618150
This.

T. Intp

>> No.16619927

>>16619676
What's a type 4 good at/meant for? And don't give me writer or actor, I'm too old to break into sudden fame and fortune

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>>16619927
That post reeks of Type 4. Kek.

I'm a Type 4 also. I'm in business. My niche (advertising, sales, and marketing) gives me a huge creative runway to flourish in.

If the words "It's my way or the highway, cocksuckers!" ring true to you, I suggest you go into business as well. Find a creative niche and take the plunge. Business is a great outlet for people like you and I. Don't overthink it.

>> No.16620856

INTJ here. I'm in my mid-30s and I'm a complete failure in life. I made a fuck ton of money during the crypto boom but had no idea how to get it all out in time. I also invented something that should be revolutionary in my industry but I'm so deep with the assburgers, I have no idea what to do with it.

Hate being a broke fag but I've reached a point in life where I really can't associate with other people anymore.

>> No.16620865

>>16618117
isfp here, why dafaq are we the lowest?

>> No.16620879

INTJ, 180k/yr

>> No.16620906

>>16618395
What's there to test?
You answer true/false questions about your personality, and in turn you gain some general information about your personality that you probably already knew.
It's not that complicated.

>> No.16620956

>>16618117
INTP here.
I refuse to be a slave.

>> No.16621005

>>16618117

INFP and make 100k anyway. feels ok

>> No.16621038

>>16619026
Who the fuck "isn't looking" at the pieces in a chess game? You aren't playing kids or jailed crackheads

>> No.16621094

>>16618894
>code of ethnics
what did they mean biz?

>> No.16621118

>>16618811
I'm INTP and 80% of the jobs I've done before

>> No.16621159

>>16619169
I disagree, hippies and depressed artist types get a lot of girls. Or used to. I had a lot of hot gfs all through the 2000s to early 2010 but something changed when cell phones and tinder got really popular and brought in all the normies. Internet was better when it was mostly full of introverts

>> No.16621192

>>16618309
how old are you now? its never too late to improve

>> No.16621261

>>16618117
>implying interacting with people = making money

>> No.16621435

>>16618117
> INTPs
Because we see the big picture and realistically none of the things that make money are interesting

>> No.16621792
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16621792

when i took it it twice 4 months ago. INTP
took it right now. INFJ/A/T

i don't know. I interact with groups of people in between large stretches of isolation so my behavior is never consistent and these tests make me doubt whether I'm actually being truthful about myself.

>> No.16621835

>>16618117
Because they're introverts obviously. Making money is about selling something and extroverts are better salesmen usually. It's literally more important than IQ for making money. Being extroverted is better for almost everything in general.

That Myers briggs shit is a complete meme though lol.

>> No.16621865

>no ambition
>don't know what to do
>don't know how to start something
>to scared to fuck up
>stay in to save money
>play vidya and shitpost
>no social life
>make a meager amount of money
>constantly angry
>never get bored
t. INFJ

>> No.16621871

>>16621865
>too scared to fuck up
>is fucking up
pick one

>> No.16621918
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>>16618423
>low conscientiousness
>low extroversion

You're pretty much fucked dude, sorry.

>> No.16621925 [DELETED] 

>>16618117
ENTJ and ESTJ are human cancer

>> No.16621934

>>16618117
Because they don't all-in degenerate low caps like FRM. kek.

>> No.16621940

>>16618117
>INFJ
>$40k/year average
Checks out.

>> No.16621943

>>16618395
Its astrology for brainlets who think themselves too smart for astrology. You know, like technical analysis.

>> No.16622085

>>16620906
because you mbti is terrible at predicting anything
it seems to make sense that question about how you feel when you're alone at weekend can give some insight into your personality but that's not the case, at least not for mbti
astrology or questions about your favorite color/animal have similar success of predicting how you will act in life/office/school to mbti

>> No.16622094 [DELETED] 

I'm INTP and I make a shit load. Mostly from trading shit coins.

You wanna know what I'm buying? Ferrum. Watch it over the next month.

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>>16618117
>TFW INTP