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bernie isn't going to get nominated
trump is going to demolish biden/warren
good day

>>16586097
I think you're probably (sadly) right. But on the off chance that Bernie does the nomination (if he doesn't get assassinated) he'll demolish Trump. Imagine Bernie debating health-care with Trump. Or unionizing the work force.
You'd very quickly see the contrast between someone who's worked his entire life for the betterment of the working/middle class and someone who mainly talks about it

>>16586137
>assassinated
by age

>>16586143
Yeah or that. He seems healthy though, shouldn't be an issue (unlike with Biden).

>>16586137
>>16586056
>supporting Bernie
Kek.

>>16586157
I'll switch over to the Repubs when I'm incredibly wealthy, but I don't blame rich people for voting for their own interests. I'm just doing the same.

>>16586137
sorry, bernie is a washed up borderline commie who hasn't really done anything in his entire political career. the average middle class american won't vote for crazy ass tax increases. the dnc also won't allow him to get nominated.

the only people bernie appeases are far left lunatics/kids who've never done anything productive in their lives.

>>16586056
I work for my linkies

>>16586192
If you spend some time talking to Bernie supporters offline I think you'd see a different picture. Plenty of dissatisfied working-class people in his coalition

>>16586192
People who pay 1500 dollars a month for shitty healthcare

I was a Bernie supporter for many year even before he ran for President last time. I was very excited about his candidacy in 2016. Now though? fuck now. he lost the plot with some of these bullshit ideas like hand waving away student loans. If he'd have stuck to his roots, pro gun, medicare for all, America first, he'd still have my vote. Add to this the fact that he's just too damn old to be president anymore. ffs the guy had a heart attack a few months ago and is in his mid 70's now. no fucking way this guy lives to see the end of the next term.

>>16586192
As for not having done anything: It's pretty hard to push for working-class policies alone in an establishment House. He's had more success in later years though, he almost single-handedly increased the min. wage for the cage-workers at Amazon for example

>>16586244
He is still the same guy-you got to be pretty flimsy to leave because he threw a bone to the faggots so they wouldn’t be able to say he isn’t liberal enough.

>>16586097
Trump is going to prison

Bernard would be the best president for crypto

>>16586768
Lmao trump isn’t even getting removed from office so stay mad

>>16586840
he will get removed by the American people

I think he can do it. the endorsements hes received in the last few weeks have broken his 20% ceiling from this whole race and he is now the only candidate within reach of winning all 3 first states.
He needs a surprise win in Iowa I think, but if he gets that its pretty much over.

>>16586743
he's just anti bernie russian shill psyops anon

>>16586879
Last poll I saw had him leading in Iowa though they have a fucked up system

If you're supporting the Dems at this point you're a shameless tranny loving bugman.

Trump and the Republicans, imperfect as they are, are the only ones willing to bring the spread of gay to heel and you shits want MORE lefty jews screaming in your ear about the remembering holocaust, taxes, victimhood mentality and the welfare state? Dems have never fulfilled any of their promises. Fucking never.

Sorry it's pretty fucking telling when every American raised "democratic socialist" is a fat benzo addicted roastie with trannies friends, no father, and a shitty liberal arts degree.

Ironically enough what's going to push Trump to win 2020 are black men's votes. You heard it here first

>>16586879
Enjoy your taxes and demisexual bug eating kids

>>16587476
seek help schizo

>>16586182
Based

>>16586056
fuck this clown and fuck all the dems

>>16587462
kys kike shill

>>16587524
>nah but bernie is our guy

>>16586850
You all really do have trump derangement syndrome

>>16586850
What a homo

>>16586056
Imagine voting for this burnt out, old ass, commie because Trump is a meanie.

>>16587530
>>16587580
>>16587658
oh uh, little kikes are terrified because their Zionist stooge is gonna get removed. keep seething kikes lmao

>>16587663
The real redpill is Bernie is just as big a meanie, chauvinist and misogynist in his personal life as the lefties accuse Trump of being.

Old school jewish men are seedy as fuck see Weinstein

>make close to 6 figures
>still voting for Bernie
>fuck republicans
>fuck democrats

>>16587831
Based

>>16586192
This, reddit and twitter aren't reality kids.

>>16587685
>ziondon
Imagine thinking the roths will just let their plant fall to this impeachment hoax

>>16586743
he's definitely not the same guy. I've known Bernie's politics for a long time cause I used to live in Vermont. The presidential campaign last cycle shaped him into something else. he's adopted whatever the fuck minority voters want him too because he wants to include everyone in his revolution. he took the whole BLM fiasco in 2016 way too personally. before he was on the national stage he would have just shrugged off some of this bullshit instead of rolling over and jumping through whatever hoops the 'identity politics' crowd asks him to to keep from turning on him.

>>16587817
he's really not though. he's legit and one of the nicest people you'll meet in politics. he actually does care about people.

>>16587685
Don’t know if you realize but the left is also Zionist to the extreme. Bernie sanders is a kike for goodness sake

>>16586892
funny, I was accused of being a Russian shill last election cycle too....for supporting Bernie. Hate to see it, but the Dems are going to lose again.

>>16588153
no they aren't kike. GOP is the party of Zion

>>16588086
Not making concessions would’ve been political suicide meanwhile Trump publicly sucks Israeli dick and his followers think it 8&1/2 dimension stratego

>>16588231
Trump winning goes to show what people think of all the Dems concessions. They aren't conceding to the will of the people, just to what the media says is the will of the people.
waving student loan debt isn't even a fucking solution to the real problem of increasing education costs. its pandering of the worst kind and will tear the country apart without fixing anything. the guy has lost his way.

>>16588276
>waving student loan debt isn't even a fucking solution to the real problem of increasing education costs
No one's saying it is, wtf? The solution is making college tuition free. Is this your thing? You just say stuff for the sake of it?

>>16586768
No he's not you fucking idiot. Kys

>>16588324
The solution to student loan problems is to not allow loans for college at all, then you'll get to see what it's really worth

Spoiler: College degrees aren't worth shit

>>16588336
yes I am sure you kikes will think of something to keep him out of jail. maybe he will escape to Israel

>>16588324
what do you mean? both Warren and Sanders are running on the promise to waive existing student loan debt. you're going to pretend like they aren't? it's a joke. you can't just erase trillions of dollars in debt without shifting the cost back on the middle class, either directly through taxes, or indirectly by further eroding the value of the dollar.

>>16588223
Yes and the left is as well. Kikes control all sides. Dumb nigger

He's the Jeremy Corbin of America I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP and trump start bullying him I'd be easy af

>>16588519
Yes I am aware of this. My point is that cancelling student debt is meant to help the issue of low rates of home-ownership in young people. Say what you want, without a college degree only a select few will make it out of the working-class into the middle/upper-middle class. Lowering or removing tuition fees will allow people to learn a field/trade without going into debt. Don't get these things twisted

>>16588538
maybe the top establishment are but the majority of dem voters aren't. Meanwhile evangelical republicans literally hold Israeli flags on rallies. You retards are so dumb kikes made you their lap dogs

>>16588276
Of you’ve heard Bernie talk about free college he talks about stripped down schools that aren’t filled with extraneous bullshit.

>>16588542
The beauty of Bernie is that his appeal doesn't come from his rhetoric/looks/mannerism or any other surface BS. He's policy focused

>>16588324
he also went from medicare for all to medicare for all, including undocumented immigrants, and waiving existing medical debt. it's a joke at this point.

>>16588545
canceling student loan debt is low level pandering, nothing more. I'm a millenial who took out student loans to go to college and bought my own home when I was 26....because I borrowed responsibly and payed as much of my was through school as I could so that I wouldn't be burdened by debt I couldn't afford. a college degree isn't hard to pay for if we're being honest. the problem is retards who borrowed as much as they could, cost of living loans, etc. defaulting on payments or whatever to rack up hundreds of thousands in debt. this proposal rewards the most financially irresponsible from out generation and shifts the cost to those who managed their lives and debt responsibly. it's a slap in the face. most people graduate with reasonable amounts of debt....like used car loan levels of debt.

Wait til the next Christmas bull run

also, don't believe a god damn word of 'wall street is going to pay for all this'. cause that's not how it works. it's Trumps equivalent of 'Mexico will fund the wall'. that didn't happen though did it...

>>16588615
Bernie also believes in border security

>>16588615
I'm in the same boat. The problem is that wages have stagnated since the 80's (at least) while the qualifications for middle-class work has risen. Sure, some come out on top, but the vast majority does not. Now with the problem diagnosed the question becomes: how do we as a country handle the situation at hand and increase economic output. I believe in a trickle-up approach; imagine the amount of business ideas that were never realized because of the burden of debt our generation as a whole suffers under. Imagine the amount of economic activity that would come from consumers not having to use half their pay check on basic medicine.
There's a concept called the velocity of money and everything I've seen indicates that economic growth is fueled by regular people; they spend more of their income as a percentage than the wealthy.
These things are really obvious if you spend more than a minute thinking about them

>>16588698
That's exactly how it works. The government has the power to set tax-rates and distribute those taxes to build the nation. It does NOT however have the ability to force other nations to do so (short of violent threats). Trump's Wall and proposals like M4A or tuition free college are simply not analogous

>>16588713
economic output isn't the problem though. we've been living through a record breaking bull market. the economy has been growing.

trickle up approach is fine by me if we're talking about transforming our healthcare system so that it doesn't cost me $600/m for a single plan that I can't afford to even use because the deductibles are too high. it makes sense if we talk about reducing the cost of education for future students. it does not make sense if we start talking about subsidizing everyone in this country who borrowed money to get themselves ahead. that's not trickle up. like I said, it's a proposal that rewards the most financially irresponsible and shifts the burden onto the rest of us.
If you're in your 30's and still struggling with student loan debt, it's because you fucked up and made some bad decisions.

>>16588712
>dismantle ice
>make every illegal immigrant a citizen
>wow guys there's no more illegal immigration! we secured the border!
Who really cares at this point though. There's not one candidate who actually wants to do anything about illegal immigration, so we might as well have open borders and free shit until everything inevitably collapses. I'll vote for yang on that though. 1k a month plus free shit is better than what Bernie wants

>>16588744
dude, do you even know what the plan is? adding an additional tax to every market trade whether or not it's profitable.... what do you think the outcome is going to be if this went into practice?

>>16588823
I find it interesting that you equate the economy with the stock market. A large portion of the population doesn't even own any and the concentration of ownership is awesome.

>>16588846
You're talking about the tax on HFT I take it? It's a tax that only becomes significant if you make thousands of transactions per day. Curbing HFT activity is a positive either way. Or do you mean capital gains taxes? In that case they are very low in a historical context and I think a good case could be made for a hike given the unprecedented wealth inequality we're experiencing

>>16588823
Also, I apologize. I meant to say economic growth as a whole, not explicitly economic output, though the concepts do overlap. It's important to note that economic growth is not equal to stock price appreciation.

>>16588954
shallow thinking imo. this kind of tax would trigger a great recession as capital mass exits US financial markets for more favorable conditions abroad. whatever retirement account you've saved up in your 401k will crash in value and the purchasing power of the dollar will rapidly decrease. buy hey, you no longer have to make monthly payments on your student loan bill. too bad everything else is more expensive now though and that great job you went to school for doesn't pay any better. this idea of bringing everyone up at any cost is only going to bring the bottom 99% to an equally poor threshold. might seem like an improvement to the poorest of the poor, but the cost is on everyone else who can't really afford it either.

>>16588954
what happens to your favorite shitcoin when the market maker turns off the bots? same thing happens in this scenario. liquidity dries up and the bottom drops out.

>>16589060
Capital flight is a possibility. But neither you or I can know for certain how much of a long term impact it would have. Markets tend to take these things in stride, as long as it's phased in correctly (see nations whom regularly hike minimum wages based on the CPI for example. As long as there's predictability it will get priced in to the market)
A positive effect would be that stocks in the US becomes "cheaper" for those of us who still want to invest here.

>>16587307
Iowan here, dont fucking bet on it. Yeah, some of the people in the cities love Bernie, but most of the people out here in the fields are 100% Trump and they're the old fuckers who actually go out and cast their vote.

>>16589083
>what happens to your favorite shitcoin when the market maker turns off the bots?
The solid coins with real-life applications will remain. I don't have much of a dog in this race though, most of crypto is still bubbly to me

>>16589123
with what money would we be investing? I though our generation was so burdened by student loan debt that we couldn't afford anything else. you think this demographic is going to fair better in an economic downturn?

>>16586211
They are not the good working class that saves and invests and avoids buying overpriced crap to support massive corporations. Fuck em

>>16589158
Like I said, I don't think a sustained economic downturn is a natural result of Bernie's policies. I'm seeing a minor correction if it becomes apparent that he's winning. That demographic will probably have more cash to invest if their health care is covered and they're freed from student debt. A higher minimum wage/wages in general will also help in this regard

>>16589146
I'm talking about the US financial markets. I thought by bringing in a crypto analogy it would make more sense. further taxing liquidity providers is not a good idea.

>>16589200
thb, most Bernie supporters will see in increase in health care cost through a rate hike in their taxes. we're talking about people that are already subsidized and don't pay anywhere near the true cost of their insurance plan. I pay $600/m. how much does the average Bernie supporter pay per month in health insurance?

>>16589201
Do you know how high the transaction tax being proposed is? Do me a favor: Google it, post it, and try to figure out what my counter-argument will be

>>16589218
I'd like to see some numbers on that. I don't think that's true at all

>>16589238
I'm going on the assumption that most Bernie supporters are young 20 somethings that don't make a lot of money. the poor are already on a medicare plan and then the next income bracket up is being subsidized via obama care, so they only pay a fraction of the cost. go look at what plans cost on the open market....

>>16589218
The average Bernie supporter is a college educated white middle class couple

>>16588153
>Bernie sanders is a kike
BETTER TO BE A kike THAN TO BE OWNED BY THEM

>>16589235
.5%, that's $5 for every $1000 trade. you want to argue that it's not a lot, but you can't because this proposal is expected to generate trillions in revenue to cover existing student loan debt. it will kill HFT and like I said, liquidity will dry up and wreck the spread.
>https://www.investmentnews.com/article/20190624/free/190629961/wall-street-lashes-out-at-bernie-sanders-plan-to-pay-off-student

>>16589776
notice, $5 for every $1000 trade. that does not mean $5 for every $1000 gain. it means $1000 worth of stock has shifted from buyer to seller.

>>16587462
>the spread of gay to heel

Um, yeah. Well, I'd rather have $12k/yr cash in hand than wait forever for your retarded revolution bruh

Bernie would probably be open to considering a bitcoin-based health savings account.

I can't see how Trump, who hates bitcoin, can be /biz/'s candidate,

>>16586137
You're pretending all those things you say about Bernie aren't hated by the majority of Americans.

>>16589944
why would you think that? this guys whole life has been spent calling out speculative trading on wall street and income inequality. you think he'd be sympathetic to the shitcoin market where almost all BTC is held in the top few wallets? the under regulated crypto markets are way more of a rigged game than traditional markets

>>16586137
You need to be over 18 to post on this website

>>16590007
There is no way to audit traditional markets or to know what bitcoin is held custodially in top wallets.
Your claims are based on information that you do not have. Fraudulent is the word.

VOTE TRUMP

>>16590225
are we speaking the same language? the other anon hopes Bernie will be pro crypto and I can't see any reason he would be.
you know bitcoin is a public ledger right? you can actually see which wallets are holding the most bitcoin and the distribution is pretty fucking top heavy.

>>16586137
>You'd very quickly see the contrast between someone who's worked his entire life

ironic you say this talking about parasitic career politician bernie vs trump, who's actually worked his entire life and generated tens of thousands of jobs

>>16590302
traditional market no peeky. cant see inside it
bitcoin held by exchanges for people. top wallets aren't all individuals.
I don't want either old cunt in office. I hope they break their hips coming out of the bathroom.

>>16586137
bernie's been a career politician for over 40 years, what has he done for the working class other than buy 4 homes for himself on the taxpayer's dime?

imagine voting for bernie if you're over the age of 25

(((free college))) vs $1000 per month

>>16590388
Making money selling a book you mean comrade?

>>16586182
no man wtf are you insane?!!!! you should protect your future wealth right now and vote for the socially conservative - economically liberal option

at least that's what lotto capitalism leads us to believe. every one of us can make it, so he should protect the elites' interest

>all this shareblue shilling ITT
REMINDER THAT SHAREBLUE USES A NETCRAWLER THAT SEARCHES INTERNET THREADS AND IS PAID TO SHILL AGAINST ANY CANDIDATES THAT ARE A DANGER TO THE DEM ESTABLISHMENT WHO WANTS BIDEN OR WARREN TO WIN, WARREN IS THE TRUE TROYAN HORSE NOT GABBARD

BESIDES REPUBLICANS AND ANY TYPE OF ANTI-ZIONISM SHAREBLUE IS ALSO PAID TO SHILL AGAINST:
>Sanders
>Gabbard
>Yang
>any 3rd Party candidate
>anti-establishment whistleblowers

SANDERS IS THE TRUE DEM FRONTRUNNER BY A LANDSLIDE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO INDIVIDUAL DONORS, MSM """""""POLLS""""""" ARE RIGGED WORSE THAN IN 2016

BERNIE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE AGAINST:
>ENDLESS WARS
>A DOGSHIT HEALTHCARE SYSTEM
>INDEBTING THE YOUNG TO THE ETERNAL BOOMER

>inb4 h-he's a jew
ABOUT AS JEWISH AS GLENN GREENWALD, AKA COMPLETELY DISOWNED AND HATED BY THE ZION COMMUNITY WHICH IS WHY THE MEDIA CONSTANTLY STACKS THE DECK AGAINST HIM

>inb4 d-daddy trump will destroy him you delusional berniebot

HE ALREADY BACKED OUT OF A DEBATE AGAINST BERNIE ONCE:
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/donald-trump-backs-debate-bernie-sanders/story?id=39439007

AND HE'S CURRENTLY THREATENING TO DO IT AGAIN AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/029AA736-2015-11EA-8C77-3AA7190E36B4

EAT A DICK MIGASHILLS, BERNIE2020