/biz/ - Business & Finance

First for FUCK BEARS and
FUCK THESE NEW MOBILE ADS

DAMN IT HIROSHIMOOT FUCK THIS SHIIIIIIT

Lost all my Wednesday gains today.

So how fucked are we next week? 10% pullback? 20%? Also what are the current bets on China trade deal cancellation announcement? Sunday night? Monday morning? Middle of week after terrible sales data?

>>16417054
>10% pullback? 20%?
0%
>Also what are the current bets on China trade deal cancellation announcement?
0%
>terrible sales data?
You mean from black Friday/cyber Monday? Early reports indicate those are looking good. Less brick n' mortar but more online.

Why so antsy?

>>16417054
>it happened last year, so it must be going to happen again this year

>>16417036
Autism Speaks is shitty. The saying among the autists (i am one of them) is "Autism Speaks does not speak for me". They're a bunch of do nothing virtue signallers who don't give a single darn about you once you're an adult.

Hey all, really newb question:

I have a bunch of theories like

A. The Etherium (a crypto coin) main developer just got arrested for going to North Korea to teach how to avoid sanctions with it. While most people are saying "End of Eth!" I think this is a super positive sign if a whole country is looking to launder money through it.
B. Literally anyone other than Bernie winning means healthcare stocks will jump probably massively
C. Massive worldwide recession, US might handle OK because US is facism-lite and can dump 400B into stock market without approval of the people, Europe shits due to massive infighting and differences in opinion on how to handle

I figure I probably need to dabble in options to make use of my -only-a-few-thousand capital, but that means guessing how much these things will go up or down, and when.

How would one do that? Like I feel predicting general trends is easy enough, but timing...

Why is the stock market so focused on growth over dividend payouts? In the past the dividend yields were so much better.

>>16417111
Why so optimistic? Literally everything is pointing to a pullback very soon, just needs a trigger.

>>16417134
Because dividends have been forever shrinking, and the ones that are actually worth holding are few and far between.

>>16417148
because retards are still holding puts

>>16417134
Humans have been drawn to risk since the invention of dice.

>>16417148
Reports out this week indicate China's economy is not the strongest lately. This means they will be motivated to cut a preliminary deal with the US fairly soon to get relief from the tariffs. They'll make a big show of being mad about the Hong Kong bill but they will not pull out of negotiations.

As for black Friday figures, it's looking very good this year from Adobe Analytics' early numbers:
>As of 10 a.m. Eastern on Friday, online spending totaled $767 million, putting Black Friday sales on pace to top $7.4 billion, an increase of 19.2% from last year, according to Adobe data.

https://fox43.com/2019/11/29/black-friday-kicks-off-with-4-2b-thanksgiving-online-shopping-feast/

LPTX BROS WE BACK

The economic collapse zeitgeist is even bleeding into anime now, they also had an episode earlier in the season about the subprime mortgage crisis

>>16417154
But why do they keep shrinking? Why does so much investment advice out there evaluate stock performance based on growth? What is wrong with a stable stock market that pays out to investors and grows at more modest rates with a lot of growth based on dividend reinvestment rather than withholding dividend payouts?

I'm gonna hang on to my divvy stocks/funds for 30 years. Hell why not, it ain't like if things all turn to shit that'd it hurt me any. Once I get my AMRN wad everything will be smooth sailing for me. Plus I really like the companies I'm over in so I kinda want to be involved over the long haul in how they're ran (voting during the annual shareholder meetings,etc)

>>16417159
:P I think there is a place for growth but I cannot help but think that this obsession with growth is one of the roots of today's economic problems.

>>16417248

>>16417262
The numbers must go up.

Worldwide socialism arriving in 2020 because Americans didn't buy enough Frozen 2 Elsa dolls to save their economy

>>16417347
>ID: Goy
Not that I disagree consumer spending is inflated by official reports, but what is your source for that data

>>16417347
>Nov 1-28
Explain to me, anon, why you are trying to pass off pre-black Friday numbers as indicative of anything.

>>16417404
Black Friday sales are big compared to other days but still only around $7 billion

>>16417238
Can I get a rundown? Nice candle today what's the catalyst, why has this stock been shitting the bed past year

>>16417285
It’s as if you don’t understand monetizarion of debt, low/zero interest, and stock buybacks, anon

>>16417347
The dolls will be bought. Get ready for record breaking 2nd week.

Where are you all buying your NTDOY Switch™?

>>16417347
Well there goes another few trillion added to the debt pile.

>>16417427
I'm waiting for sauce on goy's pic. That indicates a 50%+ drop in spend year over year. I don't buy it.

>>16417444
In recognition of your digits, I will allow you to point me to the indications that foreign governments and investors will stop trusting the USD and US treasuries, and the numbers need to go down.

>>16417347
Yep that's chart pretty much jives with what I have been hearing, spending down across the board.

>>16417130
>don't give a single darn about you once you're an adult.
Shitty as well as short-sighted. You'd think having some adult success stories they could trot out on demand would help with the funding drives.

>>16417453
https://www.adobe.com/experience-cloud/digital-insights/holiday-shopping-report.html

>>16417564

>>16417476
Oh ffs. Here. Read:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-spending

>>16417592
Thanks, but no thanks. Keep your cherry picked trash

rate my portfolio

>>16417601
...those are the official numbers, anon.

>>16417564
Thanks but now i have further questions. The top of the page indicates a date range for November 1 to December 31. I think that is what the totals on the circle graph represent. The Nov 1 to Nov 28 would seem to be numbers for current count as of end of day Nov 28. No? This is a cool site anyway, i will keep an eye on it this holiday season.

>>16417609
Pleb tier niggar shit portfolio

>>16417609
Are you a boomer or manchild pick 1

>>16417609
I dislike you

>>16417645
>>16417651
>offers no suggestions
kys

>>16417640
So if i'm right, tomorrow the graph should say nov 1 to nov 29, higher current number with the 29th data added, and 2018 total & 2019 predicted unchanged. Or Monday if they don't update over the weekend.

>>16417592

Are those the fake numbers from before Trump was elected or the real numbers starting immediately thereafter?

>>16417609
lol NIGGER

>>16417609
>these picks
Liquidation in 5 months except for 4 of your picks

>>16417609
definitely an /smg/ recommended profile. How far are you up?

>>16417784
This is correct. The 2018 total and 2019 predicted are for November 1st to December 31st inclusive. Current total is for November 1st to November 28th and is a running total updated daily.

>>16417667
3-10 shares nigger? It’s as if you hate money. Try concentrating all those pennies into a single stock or even an etf.

>>16417249
central banks are pumping money into the market
an example: will farmland produce more cash output if you cover it with banknotes? no just the dollar "value" will grow and dividends to all investors will plunge

>>16418138
This doll has a weird face. I like doll anon from /b/'s better.

>>16418110
>Try concentrating all those pennies into a single stock
Bad advice
>or even an etf
better

>>16418164
>uncanny valley
intended and delivered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKFiGnPNwas

>>16417609
Honestly though this should perform fine. It's awesome that US brokers went no-fee so you can do this without getting chewed up by fees. Maybe a smidge heavy on biopharma but with the way this fall has been going so far, that may work out great.

holy moly it's called tonight. This is not allowed until January. Not allowed.

>>16418483
Cold. I can't even blame that on autocorrect. I'm on puter and typed that.

>>16418138
Don’t see what this explains. Isn’t it basically the inflation argument?

IMMAGINE AHAHAHAHA BUYING THE PEACK OF THE STOCK MARKET RIGHT BEFORE IT'S GOING TO RECESS.. AHAHAHAHA HOW RETARD YOU MUST BE?
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

>>16418552
based

>>16418483
Bundle up

>>16418611
I did. Still cold. It's supposed to warm back up in a day or so though.

>>16418552
now how you gonna know it's the peack if you don't buy the top and ride it all the way down? It's ski season coming up.

>>16418639
>now how you gonna know it's the peack
there are multiple indicators that have always been discussed. My strategy is this:
the more we grown from here the less I invest of my money
The more we go down from now on the more I invest.

>>16418552
I'm waiting for peak delusion.

>>16417134
It's part of the funnel of wealth to the top. Every person investing today doesn't know how it used to be. Akin to interest rates. You know what the yield on a savings account used to be in the 90's or 70's? This creeping effect has been happening over the generations. The new people don't realize what a shitty deal they are getting. Retail investors are scrambling for the scraps these days. The money is gone.

>>16418656
Yep i bet that'd work out just fine for an index based long hodl. Adds a little extra strategy on top of the standard regular cost averaging.

Did you know that a comb makes an excellent back scratcher? Satisfying. Stay tuned for my handle mounted comb style back scratcher and novel bdsm device IPO 2020.

This isnt the longest trendline in the world but theres a good chance of chop here to capture bonus points on your 2019 score

>>16418764
My "high interest" savings accunt used to be 4%. It's 1% now. Not a recent change. It dropped around about eight or nine years back.

>>16418786
I like how you crossed out your proprietary bollinger band label, keeping that secret for he premium subscribers.
Pretty lines though, looks like a decent trend. I forgot you did meme analysis.

>>16417183
>online spending totaled $767 million
told you fags. Fat Ameriniggers are too lazy to even get up and go to the mall anymore(myself included)and tha's why youre not seeing them all out this year. Unemployment is way down especially for lower classes and you know those people aren't saving anything and will be making tons of impulse buys on credit or what have you

>>16417248
Cant wait until 3rd season. What a great anime, one of the best

>>16419283
What show is it? Looks epic.

>>16417564
>4. Apple laptops
Holy shit... that’s by UNITS?! Not by cost or something?

I could those things cost thousands of dollars, how the hell does Tim do it? I could see frozen 2 dolls or even the $200 EarPods, but laptops?!

In other news BUY MORE NINTENDO SWITCHES you damn disappointments.

hey
I was sleeping or playing EU IV for almost all of the last 48 hours
someone spoonfeed me: what the FUCK happened to oil and NatGas prices? lol

>>16419316
Psycho Pass. The first season is especially good. Download it in 1080 or stream it from kiss anime in 1080

>>16419415
Oil oversupply and natgas warm weather "warnings" for all I know. I think I read something about saudi also but I can't remember.

>>16419484

wait I found it
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/crude-crashes-saudis-signal-intolerance-opec-partners-cheating


a 5%+ move by both in the same (half) day is pretty uhhh
interesting
I mean I think it was a reasonable correction, both were too high, it's just weird to see the market being reasonable for once.

I hope ( a little bit ) that the oil price dumps back down into the 40s in time for the Aramco IPO :^)

I’m not a bear, but how likely is it that the S&P will rise by 100%+ before there’s a 50%+ crash, seems very unlikely to me.

>>16419865
The crash is inevitable. The melt-up rise? Who knows, we may have already had it, we may have more to go. Impossible to time it because it's an irrational part of the cycle. Better to be a year early than a minute too late

>>16419865
It's already up 370%+ from the last 50% dump. A 100% pump from here would literally double it's price, so.. obviously very unlikely without any kind of big retracement. But we could reach 4k by the end of 2020 with ease

Buy SNSS

>>16420261
Shut up pooniez

>>16419978
The only reason you'd buy into the S&P now is if you believe the price will double before it gets halved. At this point I don't see why anyone would buy in.

>>16420704
that's a really interesting way to think about investing
very raw, very pure
"will it double, or will it halve?" two choices, two outcomes

>>16420916
because the guy you're replying to has no money, and no concept of structuring a portfolio to account for multiple scenarios, rebalancing, etc. basically, they're retarded.

why is technical analysis even a thing

So fucking bored. I mean hell the FDA could deliver the long awaited AMRN decision Monday if they wanted. I know it'll be before the 28th due to the holidays but still... I want my Fat Bag damnit! Bring on the Holy Buyout already. I'm not getting any younger you know.. I got plans. I want to start them before I turn 40. ( in 4 years). I got wealth to generate you know.

>>16421057
because people realized they could get money from other people if they wrote a book about magical signals in the market.

>>16420974
now, now
there is no reason for personal attacks
you know, everyone comes into this world and goes out of it with zero (0) dollars. many people are worth a whole lot less than that. there's better things to do than judge people because you think your "concepts" is better than theirs is

>>16421057
why not?

>>16421057

>>16421057

People want to imagine that they have some control over the outcome of their investments, even if their results are only a combination of luck and the natural tendency of the stock market to go up.

Waiting for a "perfect" time to enter the market is a fools game. There is no perfect time. Sure last winter during the mega dip if you entered you'd be up loads now but how long will it last before another dip? No way to know. And anyway, just cause it was low then, doesn't mean everyone thought that way, they were expecting it to fall even more. You hoping Amazon to fall back to 400 a share is a fools gamble, it won't ever happen again unless the company just blows up or the market just shats very very hard. So best to just suck it up and buy (if that's your thing). Time is your enemy. The longer you put it off the more money you need to invest in order to make anything worth a damn later. A dude who invests at age 20 needs way less than a dude who's age 40 in order to make a shat load at age 65.

>>16420704
What?? That's not what anyone believes, well.. anyone with any kind of knowledge and money at least.

>>16421057
Because.. money? I'm gonna keep flexing my trades until you mongoloids stops typing that shit and the "HODL"-tards dies out

>>16421455
There's always a dip to buy somewhere. You just have to look at more things. But if you really just want to buy the top 10 us granny stocks that's your own fault then.

>>16421467
Post one with level testing incoming.

>>16421650
I only have two of them saved and those are mine. Post something you know and I'll draw a line or two

>>16419415
How many hours do you have in EU4?

MTNB hit $1.30 in afterhrs

>>16417131
Trend following is retarded. Don't do it.

If you want to try to predict a global recession, your best bet is probably buying puts on major global stock market ETFs.

I would suggest using LEAPs. You can get up to 2-years of "protection" with them.

The one thing I'll say though, unless you have a decent income, good luck getting level II option trading privileges with only a few thousand to invest

>>16421772
under a thousand. And about half of my steam hours are only from leaving the game on overnight, but then I add in the hours played on pirated copies...
maybe 400? I'm still a big old pleb, I always play ironman mode but I only play easy stuff (france, muscovy, castile, aztec, etc.)
I even have problems/annoyances in the opening a lot of time when I try and play england or portugal
it doesn't help that I pick it up intermittently, and then they release a bunch of patches that completely change the game and then I pick it up again a year later and have to start fresh...

>>16421477
This. Midstream is at a pretty good discount right now. I just bought ET at a 10% dividend yield. It's got next to nothing wrong with it and I bought it in my 401(k) so I don't have to fill out a K-1

>>16421964
I'm at 1,700 so I'm glad to see another EU4 player here.

>>16422139
I only play singleplayer
I told some people I worked with about it, so they might start playing it. Any time I talk about it with people IRL they get really interesting in it

sometimes it makes me want to colonize all of South America hehe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REUXbGaEl94

the current, up-to-date game has too much tech spread to primitives, it feels like they are never behind enough on military tech... like through the whole game, they are only 2-3 miltech behind the Europeans, and all the Europeans are on the same tech level +/-1, there isn't as much variance as I remember
The only time that I've seen a country really behind on tech in the current, up-to-date EU IV, it was me playing Russia. I was expanding through siberia really agressively so I ended up HUGE and I was like 3 institutions behind, hard blocked. I think I was 3-4 MilTech behind the ottomans, trying to make it up with ideas and manpower

Does anyone here use Interactive Brokers’ Stock Yield Enhancement Program?

>>16422202
>>16421964
have you guys tried Victoria 2? It's older, but it's my favorite paradox title. I like it more than EU4 and CK2.

>>16422286
Viccy2 requires more brainpower than your poor correspondent can muster
I tried, many years ago... I failed
I sort of like EU IV because you can play it with your brain off, while thinking about other things
Just let your instincts do the work and paint the map pretty colors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHo26IhDxx0

i recommend getting at least 100 stocks of MTNB if you havent

This thread is off topic and the replies are off topic. Mods move this to /bant/ /boomer/ or /lgbt/

>>16422490
Have 500 and a lot of patience.

moon mission status: hopefull

>>16422710
Why? Their chart looks like a disaster.

>>16417609
too many stocks

>>16422766
gut feeling. this is their first year on the market and theyve been steadily crawling away from the 40 cent range

>>16420470
You know, it's funny because I'm not pooniez but I know who that is.

>>16419317
WHY DIDNT I BUY THE DIP
IVE ONLY GOT 14 SHARES
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Goddamn though it does feel good to be right every now and then. Nintendies gonna keep me greeeeeeeeeeen.

>>16417016
Anyone have thoughts on investing $5,000 into an index ETF with an MER of .15%, with consistent 13% annual returns? I'm hesitant because the divvies aren't up to where I'd like them, but the entry price per unit, $58.03 is appealing. This is going to be a buy and hold for the next 40 years type investment.

where can I find Forward P/E ratios? and historical forward P/E ratios?

>>16423383
Why buy an ETF instead of a mutual fund?

>>16423430
>see earnings
>see price
>attend elementary school

>>16423442
The MER is pennies compared to a mutual fund's MER. I have a mutual fund for CAD index, but it's a 2.68% MER, while the ETF I'm eyeing is only .15% It may not seem much, but once you start having tens of thousands of dollars, it adds up

>>16423449
>doesn't know the difference between Forward P/E and regular P/E

>>16423238
Sold my ATVIes, looks like EA is winning pretty hard? Funny that I thought ATVI and TTWO would be the winners as publishers.

>>16423383
I think it depends entirely on what’s in the etf. Is it a sector, and index, a specialty selection? Actively managed? Any insight on how it would preform outside of the 10 year bull run?

>>16423502
You could still google it. I think just about every stock tracker shows that stuff. Schwab does, but I bet yahoo finance, Bloomberg, CNBC, barrons, whatever do too. If they’re available, forward P/E and PEG should be there.

>>16423471
>2.68% MER
That is insanely high. None of the mutual funds I hold are anywhere near that. They range from 0 to 0.78%.

>>16423546
It's a total market index, tracking the market as a whole. I was looking into the S&P 500, but I figured if I don't know much about investing, I could just start with tracking the overall stock market as I learn.

>>16423564
I live in Canada; there are only four major banks that are allowed to be in finance. So they have somewhat of a monopoly and their management prices are absurd because they know investors can't go any where else for cheaper alternatives, except a DIY portfolios or WealthSimple or Questrade. We have really limited options in Canada.

4.2 billy on Thanksgiving. 7.4 billy on black Friday. Bigger numbers projected for cyber Monday. Brick n' mortar down a bit, online way up.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/30/business/black-friday-sales-record/index.html

>>16423974
Also curious, the practice of ordering online for in-store pickup is up 43% over last year. I suppose that tends to argue brick n' mortar remains relevant even if the transaction model is a bit different. There used to be a chain of electronic/toys/etc. stores in Canada that operated kinda like that. The stores were essentially a counter with a menu, you tell clerk what you want and they would retrieve it from the back. It saved space as the majority of the store footprint was warehouse. Perhaps online businesses could do something similar. Order online and retrieve direct from warehouse with customer service counter to skip the shipping wait.

about to drop $1500 on semiconductor puts expiring 12/13

Im betting on a santa rally the second half of the month but there is zero chance we rally from here without pulling back to cool off

>cold air blows
>buy utility stock
>make money every day this week
comfy af desu

>>16423627
Create an Interactive Brokers account. If your fees with the MapleJews are more than US$10 a month then IB is for you.

>>16422490
in for almost 17k shares

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mitchellmessenger.com/2019/11/30/amarin-co-plc-nasdaqamrn-shares-bought-by-pictet-asset-management-ltd.html/amp


https://www.google.com/amp/s/slatersentinel.com/news/2019/11/30/amarin-nasdaqamrn-given-buy-rating-at-jefferies-financial-group.html/amp

>>16424358
7.8k here

>>16421177
Buy more calls Monday..

markets should be open 24/7 I mean come on its 2019

>>16424581
boomers need time to rest

>>16424581
No. I prefer to check on my stuff for 30 minutes about an hour after open, go back to sleep, wake up for power hour. Don't you dare suggest I monitor this bullshit 24/7.

>>16421177
I would put money on that the FDA will purposely postpone their decision until Dec 28 for the sole purpose of dragging out this whole ordeal for as long as humanly possible. Its exactly the kind of thing they have done in the past and they WILL do it again. It's why a lot of my calls are for February or March so i can catch the buyout in them.

Fun fact: All the various parts of Him if they were a separate company would be trading at $40 a share minimum. (AT&T,Xandor,Warner Media,Direct TV). Your bagging the whole lot for under $38 plus getting a Fat Divvy (5.40%;0.51 x 4) as a nice cherry on top! Comcast is another undervalued play. Annalist claim the true value is double current levels. Fear not for the Fat Divvy will always be there to save you from despair when your an old cuck confined to the nursing home bed. See, thanks to modern medical shat you can still fuck young girls without having the big one and still keep your cock up all at the same time. Ain't science grand! AMRN + Viagra = Win later in life. The only thing you really gotta do is enjoy life while you can cause you know when your old your kids and ex wife will all be coming after you wanting your green wad you've spent a lifetime building up.

Fuck me man I went through the whole day thinking it was Sunday and that I’d get to autistically watch numbers and bars go up and down tomorrow and lose money. Just now realized it was Saturday all along bros.

>>16424916
It is Sunday here though

Did baggie ever get unbanned for lewds postin?

any of you jabronies in AMD calls with me? Shits gottta go up right? been getting beat up past few days. Gotta go up.

Just a reminder that QYLD would have paid you its monthly rent today, if only you let it live in your portfolio.

stocks may be but have you ever really gone so far as to in other ways to become even more without risking too far ahead of the market?

>>16425494
We'll that's a good question. Has anyone ever been so far as decided want to do look more like?

>>16423974
Trump 2020

>>16422574
Yeah well you are off topic, man

Movie night movie night! Get in here! Tonite's feature is Revolutionary Girl Utena: The Movie (1999), it's animu thyme

>>16422286
I love vic2, I tend to ccle between eu4, ck2, and vic2. Vic2 gives an entirely different feel when compared to the other paradox games, especially as it rejects blobbing outright.

>>16418805
you can ignore the macd, momentum, and tsi I dont use in long time

>>16426175
the final scene / car escape was what inspired the warthog run missions at the ending of every halo game

>>16426796
Hmmm. Well if that is the case the omission of the lesbian burst out at the end is notable.

>>16426830
also note that Halo 2 had a planned (cancelled) warthog run mission at the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXwEw3jM-h4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7QClYHRB88&list=PL9766C9C3AB981950

>>16426868
that face when got the scarab gun with the banshee after hours of trying

This week's theme: NANANANANANANANANANA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX3O-pys_YI

>>16426868
Cool that they postponed it to Halo 3... I stayed up all night with a buddy getting to that nice coop ending... one on the turret and one on the wheel, clearing it before the sun could start coming up through the curtains...

>>16426792
So... you just draw a line from the bottom of the candles, draw a line from the bottom of the wicks, and make those the bottom/buy zone, and then the top of the bollinger band is your sell? This method has a high success ratio for you?

>>16426995
yeah colors to colors and wicks to wicks is the only correct way to trendline. I use bollinger and MA but thise can also be ignored for this picture. The thing is that when you cancel your subscription to trading view you still keep your indicators but you cant replace them

>>16426995
NANANANANANNANANA
>>16427049
Why don't you chart on ToS or something niknik? You like tradingview?

>>16427072
I never had an ameritrade, just etrade and fidelity, and I used to make cheesy algo stuff on pine editor

a friend of mine had a birthday at a karaoke place recently, and I was having a hard time finding songs I knew. First one I found? "The End Of Evangelion - Komm Süsser Tod" I didn't have the balls to make them sit through 8 minutes of bearish feels... it is a comfy song though!

>>16427049
colors to colors like red to green (black to green)? Or like the pink trendline to the orange? Or the bottom of the wick to the top?

nig

>>16427204
fren

>>16427158
colors as in the colored part of the candlestick so yea black to green

>>16424201
Me too. Pretty happy with it so far. No wild moves just orderly slow rising trend. Hydroelectric company.

How much money will I lose next year?

>>16427226
Oopps I read trading when you wrote trendline, just talking about where to draw lines not where to buy sell... my bad thanks for the clarification...
>>16427687
tout l'argent, parce qu'il n'y a pas les Nintendies

>>16427705
ahhhhh... wee wee
waa-laaa

>>16427774
It's your lucky day, my shadow brûlées

bumpo so we don't get archived

Buy SNSS this week if you haven't yet.

Thinking about investing a few grand in gas stocks. Any good suggestions?
My idea so far is to go all in and put it all on Gazprom. But I guess putting money in russian stocks might be a bad idea.

>>16428411
Dang. What a shit place to be El Salvador must’ve been through the whole 20th century... and is still.

>>16428479
It's the lowest it has ever been and there are no signs for it go up in the near future.

>>16428543
>lowest it has ever been
False. It was far lower earlier this year, after which it jumped up 700%.
>no signs for it to go up in the near future
False. Ash presentation is Dec 8th, we will finally get the data for the 200mg and 300mg cohorts for Vecabrutinib.

Buy SNSS

>>16418797
You can thank the FED rates, QE, and low wages (outsourcing).

>>16428588
I have a theory that civilizational wealth, on an epochal scale, follows a logistic curve (rather than an exponential). So the kind of % growth seen during the 20th century is the step part of the graph, and we will likely never be at a place like that again. Instead, time-preference will decrease steadily, until people are perfectly happy with investments that take 50-100 years to pay off.

>>16428483
>But I guess putting money in russian stocks might be a bad idea.
Both yes and no. You have:
1. Sanctions on Russia. Went out of date a few years back, no reason for the US to push for more sanctions as of yet and western europe showed strong regret in pushing more sanctions on Russia the last time around. So they need a big event where Russia is involved to even agree on more US based sanctions on Russia.
2. Parts of Europe is pretending to "go green" but in reality they buy everything from Russia. Look at Germany, they brag about their wind powered shitfans but has to rely on russian gas to survive. This is the reason the new pipeline was agreed to be built even though US strongly condemned it, Germany with others pushed for it to happen because they NEED it.

So I would say, for now at least.. that buying russian energy stocks is more positive than negative. But if something happens where Russia is involved and more sanctions are being talked about, then sell because US will 100% hit russian energy because US themselves wants to supply western europe with gas.

>>16420261
Have u done any due diligence? Look t their drug topresent at ash conference in a few days, they have snake oil that's why their stock is down

>>16422490
>developing a drug similar to vascepta, why would u buy this stock

>>16428567
Have you seen the abstract data they are going to present? They have 0 ORR yes 0, they have a goose egg
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.evaluate.com/node/15247/amp

Read the chart anon, NO RESPONSES

I'm going hard on azn order queued for monday morning their data to present at ash looks strong and they just got approved for a lung cancer drug over the weekend

>>16422710
mineral stocks are pure liquid shit. that stock will never break $1.00

>>16429544
kek I'm hoping TRQ's mongolian situation gets sorted out so I can get a quick pump. I seem to have bought the bottom so I don't mind waiting.

>>16429233
... You just called a covalent BTK inhibitor with an incredible safety profile that already showed some efficacy in 100mg trials "snake oil", and you expect me to listen to your dumbfuck opinion?

Buy SNSS

>>16429340
Hey stupid, SNSS has said multiple times that that abstract does not contain the actual results, which they are presenting at ASH. Don't talk to me about due diligence if this is the best you've got.

Buy SNSS

Heh, people are kinda going "oh the competitors going against AMRN have the better product and will be out on the market soon" First wrong; They still have at least 5 years (or more) till that happens. Second: Why should you even care? By the time they roll out with anything you'll already have your Fat Green Bag from AMRN and be doing other shat. So it's all moot. Third: Buyout or no buyout, your still going to be getting a Fat Green Bag no mater what. Only difference really is time. A buyout would see you get your bag in 2020. No buyout would see you get it in 2021. Still a Fat Green Bag is a Fat Green Bag.

>>16417016
you did buy XLY, XLP, DTEC, IBUY, RTH, and IYT, right anon?

You didn't actually expect a consumer contraction, did you?

>>16430167
SNSS to 6$

>>16430132
It says no responses right there in my picture are u blind or just retarded >>16429394

>>16430167
Provide a source their own abstract doesnt say shit it says goose egg for ash, and their stock price has shit the bed

>>16430324
It says "Placeholder abstract" because it was a placeholder abstract they had to submit by August, dipshit. The actual results aren't coming until ASH.

Buy SNSS
>>16430196
God damn right, anon

>>16430132
"Some efficacy" link to studies please are u look at azn's drug stats snss is going to get btfo

>>16430392
You know what?
Don't buy SNSS. You, specifically. Don't buy it. You're so fucking incompetent you can't even go to Sunesis' investor relations page on your own. I would like you to not make money. Good luck with Azn.

>>16430189
Interesting choice of news outlet. The numbers are correct though. Black friday weekend has been baller for retail and i expect the money that sold on Friday to defend against the risk of a poor showing will be hopping right back in on Monday.

>>16430432
Post it look at their 5 year they are down 95 or so percent trading at .50 cents they are going to be delisted

>>16430432
Your investments are 50% link and 50 % in snss because your a mongoloid this stock is junk analytics are junk and catalysts are junk
https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/NASDAQ-SNSS/technicals/

>>16430432
Snss stock is a toilet just like your skull

>>16430748
We get it, you're retarded. You think I would invest in crypto and you base your investments on technicals rather than fundamentals. So don't buy SNSS. I'm happy to have you not make money.

Futures opens in 5 hours and 22 minutes. Ready, niggers?

>>16430189
if you're really about that life, why aren't you buying TQQQ and SOXL?

>>16430769
*I meant SPXL instead of SOXL, but the meaning of my post is the same either way

>>16430763
POST THE PRELIMINARY DATA THAT SHOWS THEY HAVE ANYTHING WORTH A FUCK THEN ILL BUY IT, that's right you cant, "it's a placeholder for blockbuster stats dont worry goy!" Ok whatever have fun with your penny stock

>>16430764
Green. Except for oil/gas sector, although that may bounce quick.

>>16430722
>>16430748
>>16430758
Why so emotional?
Feefees don't make money

>>16430781
Both of my stock accounts are all in SOXL. I will be worth many millions in 20 years and I don't even care about stocks since my real stack is in futures. The SOXL is just the suicide stack.
>>16430811
Yep. I should probably yolo some /NG

>>16430822
Show the stats on their drug and I'll buy it

>>16430796
>can't
I told you where to find it. You are the one who persists on being retarded. Hence, don't buy it. I actively want you to not buy it.

>>16430811
Red all week long. Online sales will beat expectations, but not enough to offset the decline at brick an mortar.

>>16430844
I don't give a fuck if you buy snss or not but why so offended about this?

>>16430848
Link

>>16430876
>Feed me, mommy

http://ir.sunesis.com/investor-overview

Look guys its snss investor relations wesbite they have a picture of a tanking stock just like the nasdaq! Holy shit buy the dip HODL WERE ON A MOON MISSON

>>16430868
his ID appeared in this thread with his first reply to me. All he's done is bitch about SNSS. He's either a troll, a shill for Astra Zenica, or a literal retard.

>>16430911
No u

>>16430956
This is not stocktwits. Go back

Anyway, WHO READY FOR THAT AMRN BUYOUT! YYYEEEEAAAAHHHH

>>16430977
I promise I'll leave if you can show me ANYTHING that's supports a buy of this dive bomber stock

Noobfag here, never owned a stock before. I have $1500 sitting in a checking account. Where do I put this tiny sum to start growing?

>>16430856
>not enough to offset the decline at brick an mortar.
Overall sales are above expected. It's the same amount of buyers just different distribution. Only brick n' mortar with no online outlet would be negatively affected. And honestly, brick n' mortar with no online after all this time deserve to fail.

Am I screwed in 2020?
Rate please

>>16431076
Preliminary reporting is always over inflated

New robinhood infinite leverage glitch

will you do it? i won't but im excited to see autists blow up their account

Why is it okay to put $10k in VTI but if you spread that $10k over 20 or 30 individual stocks people say you are over diversified?

>>16424028
Seems like something Amazon would do. They currently have "Prime Now" in some places which is two-hour delivery. Why wouldn't they take it a step further and allow customers to pick stuff up?

>>16431041
Fuk yes. Give me my amrn cummies now jews

>>16431065
Download the Robinhood app. Click through the stuff to make an account. Then click around to link your checking account to it so you can transfer funds in.

Then buy SPY and obsessively check it every five minutes during the day until you come up with a different investment plan.

And don't fuck with options until you're convinced you could explain how they work to a peer.

>>16431246
Amazon already does this. You've always been able to pick it up from the delivery agent instead of waiting for them to deliver it, which can save you a day or 2, and in the last few years Amazon has started small pop up shops, especially in college towns, where you can pick up a limited selection of items.

>>16431356
Is the obsessive checking important or can I just leave it there and hope for the best for now?

>>16431398
you don't have to check your broker obsessively...
as long as you are checking /smg/ all the time to see if the lads are going AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :(((
or if they're going Ahhhhhhhhhh :)

>>16430856
>but not enough to offset the decline at brick an mortar.

Commercial retail will be repurposed I to places to have "experiences" like paintball, art workshops, etc..

I genuinely would be surprised if anyone realistically expects physical retail to matter anymore.

>>16431398
Open an IRA, fund it, and put your money in an index fund and walk away.

is spx going down tomorrow?

hope so

tax season is here so it's time for a light dip

>>16431449
100% correct

Look at every *real* business in NYC being replaced with "experience" gyms (hot yoga, cycling, boxing, CrossFit, rowing, all of which is contained in a normal decent gym, but yuppies love passing for "experiences"

Where I disagree is I think these things will rapidly go out of business, people try them one and never go back.

>>16431479
those things arent contained in a normal gym unles its one of those super gyms

>>16431506
Maybe I'm too used to Equinox, but ergs, boxing gloves, yoga classes and recumbent bikes can be found in most gyms. Hell, even a planet fitness has most of that.

Regardless,

>>16431398
The obsessive checking is something you'll do automatically, so don't worry either way. Obviously it's healthier to do what >>16431450 advised, and just ignore it one it's in there, but then you're missing out on (almost) free dopamine.

If you check it regularly, you'll feel satisfaction when it goes up and dread terror when it goes down. Just remember: if you don't sell, your losses aren't real.

>>16431548
I'm really bad about that obsessive checking. Even though I have specific timelines I'm aiming for and know for a fact I'm not selling until they are reached, I still can't help but habitually check over and over

>>16431180
Fees. This has changed since the brokers went no-fee.

>>16431775
Same. I don't even really trade, I just contribute weekly and rebalance. Still check so often I catch myself doing it even while markets are closed.

It's just like alcoholism: the human brain is wired for addiction, but some people are more susceptible to it than others.

hello i bought AMRN over a year ago when do i collect my millions

>>16431826
right now
:)

I just want this fake market to be exposed.

>>16431775
He likes watching his snss stock swirl in the toilet

>>16431802
Same. I even look forward to mondays on saturdays even though all I do is add to my S&P every month

>>16431973
What is the "real market"?

>>16432016
gold, clearly :^)

>>16432024
Values assigned to gold are also wholly arbitrary.

>>16431973
It will be, just keep stacking

>>16432029
the price of gold has a lot to do with the cost of mining it, and how much people who hold dug-up gold will sell it for. this is called "supply"
on the other side of the equation is how much people are willing to pay for it. this is called "demand"
you can google these terms if you are confused

>>16431246
I have a friend live next to a distribution center and he said they have Amazon lockers where you can just drive the center and pick up your item outside the warehouse in the locker, often same day. I never saw this advertised though

>>16432029
Value assigned to any currency is arbitrary. The difference is gold has a set scarcity, which gives it value. This is as opposed to fiat currency. The crypto crowd use this same argument in that some crypto does indeed have a set cap on amount that can theoretically exist.

https://twitter.com/GlobalTimesBiz/status/1200955364641869824?s=19
>Sources in Beijing informed the Global Times that China insists the tariffs must be rolled back as part of the first-phase trade deal. A US pledge to scrap tariffs scheduled for December 15 cannot replace the rollbacks of tariffs.
It is not happening, right?

>>16432721
>RED DAY
>RED DAY
>RED DAY

> buy out dying penny stock business
> use newfound ownership to revitalize the assets and turn the company around within a few months
> sell all shares once it's standing on its own two feet again
> repeat with another dying company
Doable, pipe dream, or already happens?

>>16433120
Already happens. Hard part is 1) having enough capital, since even a penny stock company has a market cap in the millions, and 2) actually turning the company around. Business ain't easy.

>>16432721
That has been their stance all along. It's not news.

>>16433204
I figured it wouldn't be "easy money," but something about that idea appeals to me more than "buy partial ownership of a company, do nothing with it, and sell it a few months down the line when it's more valuable." It seems like that position isn't very common, though, is it?

Guys snss is mooning buy the dip

>>16433120
There are businesses that specialize in doing just that. Not impossible, but there’s heavy competition out there, and failing businesses are usually failing for a reason that isn’t so simple and easy to fix.
>>16432721
Fuck Xi.
>>16433226
Also this.
I’m beginning to think December 15 tariffs are entirely possible though. I should really be raising more cash and circling the wagons around my favorite positions.

>>16433268
>Being this mad on the internet.

>>16433415
Being this stupid on the internet

>>16431180
VTI has 3613 individual holdings while SPY has 506. With 40 holdings you’d have to make sure they actually were diversified, and you’d have to do a lot of homework to make sure there weren’t major problems with any one company. You’ll be overwhelmed every earnings season trying to listen to all the conference calls and follow all the analyst reports, etc. It’s just not practical for one person to follow the goings on for 40 companies, and its too few companies to easily offset risk like in a broad etf or mutual fund.

That’s why conventional wisdom suggests owning something like SPY and VTI, and then having a few stock picks of your own that you can actually follow. You’re already diversified if you’re 80% SPY and then 20% in a few different picks of your own.

Also maybe want to be up to 5% gold in a safe deposit box because you never know.

>>16433246
You know that "business recovery" is a business in itself and there are already numerous companies in the world that do this?

>new attentionwhoring namefag comes to thread and asks stupid questions that could be checked on google
>try to help him anyways, could be just a mixed up kid
>continues to get more obnoxious and pick petty arguments
>develops into troll that can’t keep his mouth shut and shits up the thread
Totally predictable, I should’ve filtered from the start.

Fuck namefags, fuck shills, and remember that all small biotech/pharma companies are gambles, those lottery tickets could easily expire worthless.

>>16433574
Your mom shits up the thread bud

>>16433246
Well, yeah. It isn't too easy to exercise your ownership rights or to actually participate in corporate governance. A few people might go to an annual shareholders meeting or cast a vote for members of the board, but in practice you don't have much say unless you've got a massive number of shares. It's easier to jump ship than it is to steer - that is, trade shares rather than shape company policy.

If you're really interested in that sort of thing, you can always try to buy onto the board of a local business and help run it. That's shining suspiciously like real work, though.

Futures opened green. Oil and nat gas bouncing. Looking good!

Fight my champion

Also Adobe numbers from yesterday report 3.6 billy sales. 18% year over year increase for the Saturday.

>>16433796
I’m still blown away by the volume of sales in Apple laptops according to their metrics.

Apple and Disney killed it, likely Target and Amazon too. Calls at the open seem like reasonable gambles, but I’m going to sit on my hands.

A little disappointed nintendo didn’t make the Saturday list, but we’ll see how cyber Monday goes.

>>16433796
>>16433880
Maybe I'm just too tin-foil, but this all strikes me as sus.

Like, spending is a 3rd of predicted for the month, but everyone just fucking pulls out a record setting Black Friday? Something don't add up.

>>16433997
Source for the graphic?

>>16433726
I bought the Natty

STOP FIGHTING IT'S CHRISTMAS

>>16434026
See >>16417564

>>16433997
I'm curious if they included CyberMonday in the prediction despite the fact that it occurs in December.
Regardless, something doesn't add up.

>>16433997
I think cyber Monday is the big one, considering that even on Black Friday people were shifting towards online sales.
>>16434033
Based on why?

>>16434036
La creatura...

>>16434092
forgot pic

>>16433705
>That's shining suspiciously like real work, though.
I'd much prefer it to standing at a register or burger grill, but considering that's my standard, it's probably out of my grasp for the moment.

>>16434192
You might want to flip burgers before you can manage burger flippers, and you might want to have some management experience and accounting know how before a company has you their board.

>>16434103
an excellent question
Its because when it drops hard end of week the producers always gap it up on sunday. This lets you dump on a greater fool monday

>>16418786
What are you trying to say? This thing dumped, failed to bounce, got a bunch of downgrades and is sitting in the middle of at least 3 gaps.

This place gets really weird and autistic on the weekends

>>16434390
Im saying its going chop back up to 94 and possibly 97 using psy triple digit theory. I will capture my 2%

>trade war blowing up
>futures skyrocketing

>>16433120
Not exactly revitalizing, but have a look for The China Hustle

>>16434463
Nothing new in the trade wars, just a restatement of what China already wants. And don’t put too much value on what futures traders do.

>>16434459
2%?! Aren’t you getting a bit greedy? Consistent 1% returns is already pretty lofty...

>>16417111
>it will go up...FOREVURR!!!

>this thread

Hi friends how do i get rich i need 1 million then i am retire

>>16434700
>It goes down when I want it too

The story so far... And people thought me mad as hell.. I did buy this schwab international fund friday only to realize they left out china, russia, basically it wasn't as "international" as I thought. So now I gotta wait 90 days before I can sell it and go with the vanguard one instead. it don't cut corners. I checked.

>>16434700

It will with some pull back and a crash here and there

>>16417016
>RANGE BANNED FOR DISPARAGING THE DISNEY MASTERS OF 4CHANNEL!

>FUCK YOU GOOK MOOT!

>>16433997
this is a two month meter.
If you start at the top you see its Nov-Dec 2019.
You'll see tomorrow that it just keeps running.

>>16434092
The precicted total is for November 1st to December 31st.

>>16435335
So does that mean the "Actual" section is currently only half the time-frame of "Predicted" and "Historic?" Right before Christmas?

If so, it could still meet or exceed the "Predicted" amount.

>>16435389
>So does that mean the "Actual" section is currently only half the time-frame of "Predicted" and "Historic?" Right before Christmas?
Yes, they labeled that one chart in a confusing way. If you check the page again tomorrow they will have Sunday's sales numbers added to the 'actual' total. The goal of the page is to show holiday spending updated live for November to end of December.

>>16434406
Your mom gets wierd on the weekends if you know what I mean

>>16435410
That would explain why the "Actual" is so low compared to "Predicted" and "Historical"
Thanks for the info. A better comparison would be to have all sections use the same date range. It would make more sense.

God damn. There’s like... a LOT to watch this month and even this week. It’s exciting but I could see how it could be exhausting.

Gonna circle the wagons around: MRK NTDOY VIAB GEO PEP LMT DIS
I’ll let that AMRN gamble ride, and maybe pick up some biotech/pharma ETFs. UNH and CVS are damn tempting though, as is rat’s dollartree, but I’ve gotta refocus. May even sell GSK because there’s just toooooo many positions.

Nintendies tapping right on the door of that 52-week high again! I think this guy wants to break $50. What do you guys think, should I buy more before the cyber Monday data comes out? It’s already well above my basis...

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4309855-viacomcbs-amazons-aws-event-conference-blitz-stocks-watch-podcast

Happy consumerism weekend everybody. Make sure to BUY all kind of gizmos and trinkets tomorrow. Let's get those numbers UP UP UP.

how long does it usually take a company to go from announcing their IPO to actually releasing their IPO on the stock market? Do companies announce it like a year or a few months before?

>>16435632
Variable but generally within a year from initial announcement of intent to do it, followed by announcement of the actual terms, followed by IPO period, then listing.

>>16435640
Your mom is an ipo

>>16435631
bought my year's supply of water crackers sausage and cheese homie

>>16435654
That was years ago.

>>16435659
GOSH anon, what kind of a LOSER isn’t buying a brand new Nintendo Switch on Cyber Monday?

Market correction tomorrow

brace yourselves

>>16435673
Your way cooler than that snss guy, let's grab a beer sometime (no homo)

>>16435841
>>16435841
>>16435841

new week
new month
new thread

>>16435841
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>>16435841

>>16435841