/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>16387942
OK THATS EPIC I CANT WAIT

>>16387942

Soicar.

>>16387942
elon is overrated but I'm actually getting concerned about the deflation EV's are going to cause. It's clear now that economies of scale for batteries are arriving, EV's will be the primary form of automobiles.

We just lost all the jobs in the supply chain for the engine and drive train systems. These are all well paying jobs, and a lot.

We will not gain what we're going to lose in jobs from transferring ICE to EV. Automation isn't even irrelevant, we're literally deflating jobs away with shit like this. Same thing with smart phones.

>>16387994
>Soicar
>>16387957
>>16388003
sorry you've been replaced boomers

>>16387957
>>16387994
>NOOOOOOOOO STOP GIVING ELON MUSK ATTENTION HE'S POSSIBLY AN ANTI SEMITE AND WAS ON FAR RIGHT HOST JOE ROGAN'S PODCAST

>>16388020
Did you even read what I wrote you brainlet

>>16387942
15. Miles per day for 40k$. So big brain.

>>16387942
can this man get any more based?
TSLA to $10k

>>16388003
lol it is automation though, none of this would be possible without increasingly mechanized factories. the era of automation began in like 1970, the industrial revolution saw hundreds of thousands of people dead and thrown into poverty. yeah, people don't talk about it much, but that shit had a real death toll.

that will have nothing on what's gonna happen over the next 50-70 years.

>>16388003
no point in investing in any of this until goodenoughs solid state batteries are ready. that will wipe out 99% of this generation of ev tech

Most cars in the future were supposed to be shared, though, weren't they? So while solar panels could be useful, they probably won't really do much in that case.

>>16388003
>muh jobs
It's the free market at work. if you don't like it get the government to pay for extra jobs.

>>16388055
>automation is replacing a team of mechanical engineers designing an ICE with a smaller team of EE's who have fewer components

There are simply WAY less components to EV's, it's not fucking automation it's DEFLATION
>>16388058
I had my doubts EV's would make it or not, at least for now it was riding on elon exclusively but now that he's done the front work and Ford has the Mach-E, the race is on. Toyota wanted to transfer from ICE to Hybrids to EV's but it looks like they aren't going to have time

>>16388082
EV's wouldn't be possible without automation, retard, that's the entire point

>>16388063
self-owned cars are the future. crowd source defi investment to build car. they drive themselves and remit portion of uber profits back to investors. self-schedules mechanic appointments and ai negotiates prices / uber routes.

>>16388088
>breakthroughs in chemistry and material science is automation

Hey bud, we have had PLC's since 1968 thanks to GM. The reason EV's haven't taken off already is because we were limited by, you know, physics.

Tell me you know what a PLC is at least, you're so intelligent enlighten me.

>>16388113
>1968
>>16388055

see ya

>>16388088
>EV's wouldn't be possible without automation, retard
Wrong retard.

>>16388134
you have no understanding of r&d if you think EVs would exist without mechanized factories, like holy shit how dumb can you get

>>16388082
>he's done the front work and Ford has the Mach-E, the race is on
ford / bmw / porsche were smart to wait. having ss batteries of 5-10x the charge and zero explosion risk is what changes the game.
rumor is the big boys (including elon) are all bidding for goodenough's ip - supposedly even sending reps down to his austin lab. whoever controls it, will control most battery tech for next 50 yrs. at that point its total greenlight investment.

>>16387942
Unless Elon posts a tweet directly aimed at chainlink fuck you

>>16387957
>>16388021
*pajeet noises*

>>16388145
you have no understanding of r&d if you think EVs wouldn't exist without mechanized factories, like holy shit how dumb can you get

>>16388003
>It's clear now that economies of scale for batteries are arriving

solid state batteries are gonna make electric cars way better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_battery#History

>>16388127
Automation has nothing to do with EV's being mass produced. PHYSICS. Do you not understand this?

Advances in Chemistry and Material Science has brought us good enough batteries that can provide a range that satisfies consumers. Automation has nothing to do with the fact that an EV has less mechanical parts

It's not AUTOMATION destroying the ICE/Transmission supply chain.

>>16388152
>dude its automation that's made these advances in battery possible, not a combination of computers for computation power, chemistry, material science etc

>>16388003

Tell me about it, dude.

Blacks are getting a strangehold on the sex market too.

Have you seen how they fuck like Tasmanian devils? Even the Chaddest white engineer can't compete with that shit.

There's just no room for average white guys anymore. They took our women and soon our money and big houses go bye-bye too. :(

>>16388058
Are you saying that new batteries would require an entirely new vehicle build to use? Couldn’t new battery installation be a modular upgrade? Is the difference really that significant?

>>16387942
imagine if you only did 15 miles per day and lived in a sunny city and have the possibility to park your car outside by day
and that car only cost 40k$
it's one thing to be a muskfag and another to be a contrarian tranny

>>16388283
kek forgive the only costs 40k$ i'm just used to speak in terms of 1000$ eoy link, what the fuck has this place done to me damn? i'm still a poorfag with a 55k stack

>>16388283
you talking to some 3rd world faggot

>>16388003
One step closer to UBI

>>16387994
this pic cannot be fucking real, please tell me it's satire

>>16388280
I think battery itself could be back ported. but remember the single biggest line-item cost of a ev is batteries. ss will be cheaper but probably not first gen. so its like telling a car owner...great news we have new engine tech available...you just need to buy a $12k engine and spend $3k having it installed....I think many will opt to roll that into a new car purchase.

>>16388248
go die you fucking KIKE!

>>16388058
execution is everything, tesla is in the position to incorporate new battery tech first, whatever it is.
>>16388055
>the industrial revolution saw hundreds of thousands of people dead and thrown into poverty.
what the fuck? is that what they teach now?
industrial revolution made *everyone* richer. What do you think workers were doing before working in a factory? Subsistence agriculture.

It's the same leftist spin on >muh child workers in Bangladesh or whatever. Before those kids worked in factories, they were either begging, prostituting themselves or just dying from starvation.

>>16388173
you have no understanding of r&d if you think EVs wouldn't exist without mechanized factories, like holy shit how dumb can you get

>>16388003
Muh horse and carriage.

Fuck off boomer.

A car with wheels protruding and no side mirrors is actually not even street legal. It also does not have turn signals.

Why did so many people preorder a product that will definitely change before release?

>>16388248
What is that hoe's ig? I can't read it.

>>16388248
>Blacks are getting a strangehold on the sex market too.

I doubt this. You guys have blonde, fair hair, light skin, and blue eyes. That will never go out of style.

>>16387957
>>16387994

Sounds like Elon is going to need a lot of silver.

>>16388168
Elon's got his ducks in a row

Honestly, all I need is a tesla truck made from rolled steel. Then I will fit a shower, computer and 5G antenna on it and work remotely. Fuck cities.

>>16388003
>they took our JERBS
lol can't wait to see all the boomers seethe and get laid off don't kid yourself nobody under the age of 40 works in fucking engine and drive train systems

Elon is a retarded carnival barker scam artists and Tesla is worth nothing

>>16388055
>hundreds of thousands of boomers literally killed themselves because they couldn't switch jobs
Imagine being this fucking pathetic, I'd love to see them trying in today's shitty economy

>>16388217
Let them think their ebil Jewish plan is true. Nobody waited for automation to mass produce EVs and then kick out workers.
>>16388093
>AI sees in the car
>Doubles, triples, quadruples fare rates for degenerates messing the car up.

>>16388152
I saw that SS battery work recently. It would be insane if it worked. Goodenough is a literal God if he accomplishes this too.

>>16388673
based

>>16387942
It will neber be road legal in E.U.

>>16387942
And like all new cars they can be completely disabled/tracked/driven into a tree by the government, (((hackers))), or any kind of cyber attack.
Totally useless in any emergency scenario.

>>16388021
>eli
>short for elijahberg
>anti-semitic

>>16388529
The woman in that video is in some amateur video uploaded to xhamster when I was in high school a fucking decade ago.

>>16388003
So? The entire point is to free up labour for more important stuff that only people can do. Not my problem if McDonalds wagecucks and truck drivers have such low IQs that the only jobs they can do are being replaced by robots. Adapt

>>16388113
Im an automation engineer ik what a plc is. They are annoying but ez to program and rockwell can suck my nut

>>16388003
I can't wait for mass boomer suicides.

>>16389027
Why the fuck would I ever want to go to Africa 2.0?

>>16388003
The best thing we can do is reduce our populations dramatically but the shitskins refuse to listen

>>16389042
What is a faraday cage?
I only need the motor to work, if there is a will to not be tracked, there is a way.

>>16388303
Based

>>16388248
Most blacks are overweight now, try again.

>>16389160
>>16389160
>dude lets just annihilate 15-20% of the automotive industry's workforce
You're pretty retarded if you think this is a good thing. You're legitimately just as bad as the commies on the other side of the aisle

>>16389507
It's okay champ I know your life sucks so you want others to be miserable as well. You are aware this impacts younger people working in that portion of the industry right?

>haha fuck that young man who graduated with a mechanical engineering degree and was going into engine/transmission work

>>16387942
If he wanted to shock the world with a new car design, it's too bad he didn't design one of those cars with 360 rubber bumpers, forget the name of the guy who originally came up with the idea

That would have actually helped make the world a better place

>>16389548
I hate eveyone, you think I give a shit about your sniveling little grandchildren? I will drink their blood and water my garden with their tears.

>>16388003
>We just lost all the jobs in the supply chain for the engine and drive train systems. These are all well paying jobs, and a lot.
yeah, well they're only well paying because there aren't electric vehicles.
>muh computers will put arithmeticians out of work
>muh printing press will put scribes out of work
>muh car will put horse breeders out of work
>muh internet will put librarians out of work
if your job isn't needed then it's not up to society to make sure you can do something inefficiently. the free market will put those people out of inefficient work and they will need to adjust.
>We will not gain what we're going to lose in jobs from transferring ICE to EV.
we aren't losing anything, the money is going somewhere better. the supply chain distribution for engines and shit will shrink and the supply chain for batteries will increase.
basically,
>ok boomer

>>16389548
And when they inevitably kill themselves, I will buy all their daughters and use them for my personal sex slaves.
This is what a hedonistic devil worshipping society gets you. I will make all of their lives a living hell.

>>16388003

>>16389042
Based and Hastings pilled

>>16389527
First off none of the electronics on these cars are sheilded.
But I'm not talking about an EMP, I'm talking about mandatory cell (4G) chips hardwired into the central computer.
All modern cars can be tracked/disabled remotely, and there is (to my knowledge) nothing you can do to stop it.
Many cars are now "drive-by-wire" and "break-by-wire" which means they can also be driven off a cliff without your control.

>>16389627
Guess I'll just have to use these things called feet then.

>>16389548
>dude lets just annihilate 15-20% of the automotive industry's workforce
when threading clothing became automatic, weavers lost their jobs. there was still more clothing going around at low prices. you seem to have internalized this idea that
>less jobs = bad
but realistically if the only niche you can fill in the workforce is that you repair typewriters then your job was never safe in context of advancing technology and if you think wrenches should be immune to this just because there are a lot of them then you're just standing in the way of progress.
>the auto repair industry is too big to fail, what will we do without our auto mechanics that are trained to work on combustion engines?
they'll have to learn to work on other cars the way they had to learn fuel injectors. I'm sure a lot of carburetor techs were fuckin pissed, but literally good riddance. would you suggest we never improve things for the 80% because the other 20% are happier the way things are?

>>16387942
I think this is the first Tesla that has a solar panel option, that is the biggest feature of this thing. Driving across anywhere with sun, camp out, you’ll never run out of range.

>>16389668
Also
>Implying mechanical engineering=ICE only
>Implying mechanical engineering=mechanical anything
There is a broad spectrum of things mechanical engineers can do past just engines.

>>16389548
There is a way out for your lineage if you listen you old prideful piece of shit.

>>16389697
absolutely. this guy is implying that heavily trained and educated tradespeople are just gonna be out of work just cause they're losing a specialty, and that they can't retrain or their lives are just gonna be ruined. I do not fucking buy it.

>>16388172
>when your favourite bollywood trilogy gets a reboot

>>16389738
I am currently studying engineering and the literal first engineering class tells you that you will not work in your field of study.

>>16389756
well like, there's still the trade side of things (auto mechanic, shophand, apprentice type stuff), which is very different from the STEM side, more specialized, and would hurt if their jobs vanished.
but heres the thing about that also:
>Industry makes it clear they're moving away from ICE
>most cars are still ICE so even mechanics will probably have work for decades (barring the goverment doing something drastic to homogenize us into electric or self driving)
>since people know ICE is on the way out fewer people will choose anything relying on it as a career, and some might switch fields in anticipation
>over time the number of people working in the field will go down and the people really reliant on it will still have work in perpetuity because ICE is so ubiquitous

b-but.. jobs! does nobody care about the jobs? :'(

>>16387942
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>>16388673
truck on the right: >_<

>>16389756
They just do that so you cant sue them

>>16391528
NORMIE truck. Literal sameshit crap truck everyon else makes. CYBERTRUCK IS FUCKING DOPE. ITS A FUCKING ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER TANK

>>16388003
Those tractors were terrible for jobs too.

>>16387942
This man is the biggest welfare queen in this entire country and he's not even an American

>>16389610
>I LOVE STAR WARS

>>16388248

kill yourself you stupid faggot

>>16387942
>>16387957
>>16387994
>>16388003

Solid State batteries are coming soon. They are MUCH denser than current batteries. At least 2x-5x as dense. But they are expensive and need lots of Lithium. This is why they overthrew Bolivia because it has over half the world's supply of Lithium.

>>16391580
>literally gets beat up to shit on the debut
>tesladrones STILL think it can defeat pistol rounds

>>16391873
>This is why they overthrew Bolivia
Can I get a QRD on the Boliviapill? Been working too much to read a single piece of Intel on it. I will actually dmor to check what you tell me once I get a break from my current gig.
Also anything else you can tell us about the batteries?