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majority of tax in any western countries goes to migrants, niggers, single moms, and illegal wars

if all of this were cut out, the tax rate would only need to be a few % at absolute most
so yeah, it is pretty much theft

>>16198744
>illegal wars
no such thing

>>16198749
t.

>>16198744
fucking checked

>>16198705
aren't wagies taxed like 50%?

>>16198705
>is taxation theft
100%. People just argue if it's good theft or bad theft but being forced to give your money at gunpoint is theft. That can't be argued.
>is it efficient
The only thing it is efficient at is keeping the government running which is what the role of taxation should be. Whenever you apply tax money to something the free market can do, the free market does it better. I'm not an ancap or a libertarian, the government has an important role in society and that is to arbitrate disputes and protect the rights of individuals. I'm fine with some yearly tax amount to keep the government running but not getting taxed for everything and those taxes going into horrible government programs.

Not only is taxation theft but the entire economy is based on nothing but satanic jews whispering into your ear that everything is fine while slowly killing your people and enslaving you.

>>16198705
Most forms of taxation create deadweight loss by creating a price difference between what the consumer pays and what the producer receives.
A few, like the estate tax, don't produce DWL because supply and demand don't really matter there. There's no market for inheritance.
It's pretty easy to get and understand all the graphs.
Regarding what the government should do with that money: they fill a legitimate role in supplying or subsidizing goods which have positive externalities that inhibit their profitability (defense, education, healthcare), and in enforcing property law, including by forcing people to bear the cost of the negative externalities they create (which they aren't doing enough).

>>16198800
>protect the rights of individuals

so the state protect the rights of individuals by violating the rights of individuals?

>>16198744
rightcucks are so triggered by welfare payments to poor people they can't comprehend that poor people spend the money instantly. welfare money doesn't disappear, it's instantly recirculated into the economy as poor people buy necessities. The only money that effectively "leaves" the economy is the billions of dollars that rich people park offshore, but for some reason that is met with deafening silence because rightcucks have an inherent peasant mentality and see the rich as their rightful lords.

>>16198705
Wrong metric, the government has infinite dollars to spend, all taxation does is drain private spending power.

>>16198800
>being forced to give your money at gunpoint is theft
Theft is what real courts say it is not what you do. What if the whole process was just automated? No more guns so I guess it wouldn't be theft by your definition.

>The only thing it is efficient at is keeping the government running which is what the role of taxation should be. Whenever you apply tax money to something the free market can do, the free market does it better. I'm not an ancap or a libertarian, the government has an important role in society and that is to arbitrate disputes and protect the rights of individuals. I'm fine with some yearly tax amount to keep the government running but not getting taxed for everything and those taxes going into horrible government programs.
Most of the basic research that makes all modern electronics work wouldn't have happened without the cold war induced spending on it. There's all kinds of slack left over in the economy which the private sector won't employ profitably so there's no real trade off in exploiting it when it exists... the problem is who controls the budget and what gets prioritized... that process can be fixed.

>>16198887
>ethics is defined by positivism
>2 + 2 equals 5 if we say so xD

just no

something like 50% of all income tax goes towards debt service on the money printed by the fed so that the private international bankers benefit from the open air plantation that is the united states of slavery.

>>16198920
>NOOOOOO YOU'RE VIOLATING NATURAL LAW

>>16198877
>stealing money from those who earned it and would've otherwise saved/invested it to create businesses and more jobs to give it niggers who will spend it on drugs and other pointless consumerism is justifiable

Hell, I don't even need to go that far. The government simply has no right to take my money. The only reason they can do so is because they have the monopoly of legitimate violence. How is this any different than theft?

>>16198942
>slavory wasn't unethical because the government said it was ok

>>16198887
>that process can be fixed.
Except it can't. Humans (the majority) will always tend towards greed. It's for the same reason that you cannot entrust monetary policy to humans. Algorithms are simply much more efficient (see BTC vs fiat currency).

Not to mention the fact that 90% of the populace doesn't understand the basics of economics so they will always vote for the politician that promises more spending and more gibs. You cannot fix human stupidity.

>>16198744
>he still doesn't know how to make migrants and niggers a useful part of society
>he doesn't provide women better opportunities and education to choose a path that doesn't lead to unwanted pregnancy
>he lives in a state where the military industry runs unchecked and propagates wars to book profits

you brought this on yourself.
you won't ever get the government you deserve, and you don't the government you ask for, but the one that you accept.

>>16198877
>using resources on unproductive people helps everyone
lmao what kind of retardation is this?

>>16198997
>Humans (the majority) will always tend towards greed
Greed bad?

>Algorithms are simply much more efficient
That's a potential solution if you want to go full technocracy.

>more spending and more gibs
Notting wrong with that per se, it's just got to be done smartly. Like I said the budgeting process is the issue and how it's handled.

>>16199167
>it's just got to be done smartly
Sounds nice in theory, but quite a different story in practice.

>Notting wrong with that per se
There is though. The deficit will keep growing as politicians keep the old programs (because they can't run on a platform of cutting/saving) and only campaign on new promises where they will hand out gibs and spend more.

>>16199045
>migrants and niggers
>ever being useful part of society

Look at this blue pilled little bitch. Also learn English Yurofag

>>16199051
>unproductive people

At least you dont pretend to not hate the poor

>>16198705
Very inefficient. Government should have a very limited role. The way it is now creates a welfare state that encourages being a worthless nigger instead of being productive. The government drives up the price of college and kills jobs through minimum wage.

>>16198744
Aka a libertarian society. One which we had in the early years of this nation.

>>16198744
>migrants
Immigrant in the UK here. Never took welfare. Everyone on welfare that I meet are english men/women in their 20s who can't find a job that doesn't pay them 100k per year so they're contempt with living on 6k a year from welfare plus a little bit of part time working behind a cash register and mommy's good boy points.

I cringe whenever I hear about people complaining about migrants on welfare. There's no such things. There are no country stupid enough to let people come in their country just so they can get free money. There's plenty of countries dumb enough to fuel addict's issues by means of welfare checks tho.

ye

>>16198705
it's theft if it's done in excess
it's part of the social contract if it's reasonable

>>16198705
I work in government. It's the most inefficient POS I've ever seen and filled with the absolute failures of human society who couldn't make it anywhere else.

>>16199440
I can't speak for the UK, but migrants in America absolutely do use welfare. They work too, but there are byzantine systems in place that let them take advantage of handouts. An example is food cards, which many states give to the poor to help them buy groceries. Immigrants will use these cards for the basic necessities that the card covers, then have a second family member standing in line behind the first with a cart loaded with booze and and other non-covered supplies that they buy themselves. Then they load everything up into their Ford F150 that they bought with the $50k+ untaxed under the table annual income they earn at their construction jobs. Practically all of their expenses are subsidized by the taxpayer in similar ways.

They do indeed work hard but all the money they make goes to them and the employer while their cost of living gets offloaded onto the taxpayer. The system is strongly incentivizing them to parasitize the wider society. I don't even really blame the immigrants; they show up in this country and have treasonous fucks in the government and in private industry immediately walking them through the process of how to cheat native citizens. Most of immigrants barely understand what is going on and think this is normal. Then the GOP and Democrats both pretend the outrage citizens feel over this situation is just racism against Mexicans(though there is a lot of that too, because the border states went from ~85% white to less than 50% white in the span of twenty years and people are not happy about becoming minorities in their own country without ever being allowed to have a say in the matter).

>>16199440
>There are no country stupid enough to let people come in their country just so they can get free money.
Lol, look up statistics for Germany and Scandinavia.
They are literally giving migrants at least 1k euros a month.

>>16199624
>Is retarded
The quantity stolen means nothing. Explicit consent is all that determines what is and isn't theft.

>>16198705
>How efficient is taxation?
No. End of discussion.
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>>16200132
Check out 'the grace commission' newfags. ALL tax monies are spent on either the running the IRS OR spent on the INTEREST ONLY payments on the national debt. End of

>MUH WELFARE
/biz/ Is to blue pilled to understand this is about insurance. Its to hidden for /biz/ to understand as direct evidence is hidden as it will expose a reality our masters don't want you to find out.

Night /biz/

>>16198856
>subsidize something
>the costs increase
Everytime. Externality fags are the most retarded people on the planet. I but you litsten to NPR podcasts while sniffing your own farts in your freetime.

>>16200263
who ever willingly submits to excessive taxes? brainlet...

>>16199440
What the fuck do you thin public education is, retard? That's fucking welfare.

>>16200591
Then so is infrastructure right? So is the law enforcement and firefighter station right?

>>16200608
Yes, but those things are slightly different. Education is much more obviously so than welfare. Far easier to argue that education is welfare than the others, but I would make that argument too. Education doesn't even fit within the classic externality argument although recently retards have been trying to shoehorn it in.

A single tax on unimproved market value of land is the only morally defensible form of taxation.

>>16200677
Gross, the government charging people rent for something they own. Property taxes are wealth tax levels of retarded.

>>16198744
My dad is a migrant, came here, got a bit of welfare from a church (you know charity and all that...wait aren't you christian?) and now runs a successful business employing 'muricans like me

>>16200719
right, and I object to the idea that land should be owned. Exclusive use is necessary and good, but allowing people to hold land in perpetuity is retarded.

Even Milton Friedman agrees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7Jb58hcsc

>>16200769
Better read up on AnCap homsteading.

>>16200799
ancaps are wrong. the act of land ownership is a violation of the NAP because you're depriving people of natural opportunities when you monopolize land.

>>16199413
And look how that turned out.

It may be that even a limited state will eventually grow into a gigantic parasite that eventually kills its host. I do not see how people could ever democratically reach the conclusion that public spending should be cut. It is always the rational choice for the majority to vote for more public spending to be used for their own benefit. Those who want other people's money are always in the majority. The productive minority will bear the burden of increasing taxation until the system collapses.

>>16200962
>I do not see how people could ever democratically reach the conclusion that public spending should be cut.
It is possible when you have voting laws similar to that of early America. Universal suffrage is what causes people endlessly voting for gibs.

>>16198705
The thing you gotta realise with taxation is that is essentially taking peoples money to give them something less than if they just had the money themselves. So yes it is theft.

>>16201036
something they wanted less*

>>16198705
Taxation is extortion by a governised mafia.

>>16198877
Double dubs of truth