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>>16150529
kys brainlet

>>16150529
Did you even read the whitepaper?
BTC is not bitcoin. Bitcoin is p2p electronic cash.
Nano is bitcoin more than btc is bitcoin.

>>16150537

your shitcoin is trending to zero

eth is pretty good too. maybe some xrp. ltc. xmr. link.

>>16150558
5 rupees have been deposited in your account shiteed poouhnloo

>>16150564
>that volume
Not likely

>>16150537
this is bitcoin's chart

follow the money (or don't) idc

>>16150568
Imagine a LN network that worked on L1 and was energy efficient and reliable.
Thats what people think BTC is. Don't be the crowd that gets to come to the group realization:
BTC gave up on it's whitepaper title.

Some say it's been hijacked

>>16150580
thats cool, https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2019/11/04/microsoft-to-help-enterprises-mint-their-own-ethereum-tokens/ , enjoy your boomer coin

>>16150529
>Stacking sats
I trade alts ansd keep profit in BTC, it's turned me into a 10x more profitable trader. After BTC peaked and fell in 2018 i kept profits all USD. Until BTC hit $5k.
Trading shitcoins and stacking sats is the easiest way to learn day trading.

>>16150529

>>16150597
lmao they are not going to be using the public ethereum blockchain. they're just going to take the open source code and make a permissioned version for their own internal use. Ethereum developers working hard for free lol.

>>16150620
>Ethereum developers working hard for free lol.
This is the spirit of open source and it has changed the world more than any other social movement.

>>16150620
kek >>16150537

my 8B is wrong the 2 after 7A were skipped with divet actions.

>>16150620
you haven't been following the space and you know less than you think you do

>>16150558
>Bitcoin is p2p electronic cash.
>Nano is bitcoin more than btc is bitcoin.
No one buys BTC to use as ecash, you dumbfuck. Why would anyone want to be ecash now, the competition is every bank, crypto, and soon walmart and facebook type company. Being spent as money is a horrible use case.

p2p ecash memers should die or leave crypto. ONLY IDIOTS SPEND BITCOIN!
I'm sorry your interpretation of what moves price was flawed.
>>16150593
>BTC gave up on it's whitepaper title.
So what? Why would we want idiots spending BTC all the time?
Price can't go up with high velocity. Velocity is like inflation because less money fills more holes.
>>16150597
So what? Every crypto goes up and down with BTC. You bought ETH but you'll be waiting until BTC lets altseason happen for real gains. You're the fool for shit talking your investments driver of $ profits. Some real mouth breathers here

>>16150529
BTC is a complete shitcoin and it's time at the top with the most hashpower is coming to an end.

>>16150748
>btc hashpower is ova

>>16150620
They would have trouble scaling up anyway. They need TRX, NEO and EOS to take the load.
>>16150730
Tell us why

>>16150763
>not using log
>not appreciating the current split of bch and sv
>not seeing that despite that both are trending up against btc
>not understanding that at the conclusion of sv flipping bch hash will re-consolidate
>not paying attention to ratios
>not paying attention to mining profitability
>not considering the first halving to have occurred with negative adoption

heh, I can't fucking wait for 2020.

Is it true we only need 1btc to make it?

>>16150800
cope harder

I wish BTC had a better second-layer solution, Lightning network is absolute failed crap

>>16150842
my god, that pick says enough.
>>16150821
yeah but you should get 2 so you always have 1 to flip

>>16150740
>p2p ecash memers should die or leave crypto
I guess the original p2p ecash memer already did leave crypto.
Increasing circulation is the only way to offset the old system.
But you are not interested in that. You want your fiat value to go up. Above all else.
Guess what, telling the majority of the world they can't use something DOES NOT LEAD TO UTILITY AND ADOPTION
Fucking boomers I swear

>>16150861
Fuck that. I hope everyone who tries to spend a BTC is hit by lightning and lose their keys.

Let people spend their BTC forks if they want to spend something they got from BTC.

>>16150537
>$1000 by EOM.
>S... Sergi said so.

>>16150529

Anon I.....

To much tweeter "store of value" collaid again kek

Where do I buy bitcoin? I have 50 dollars to my name

>>16150529
>dont buy Chiliz and make 5x Bitcoin profits
KYS

>>16150529
The problem they're making is that they want to get rich, they don't want to learn how to trade. They're no gonna make it.

>>16150842
Imagine thinking this means anything.

>>16150892
>I guess the original p2p ecash memer already did leave crypto.
they hold BTC.
Yeah I only care about gains, I'm greedy. Just because I understand crypto, I'm old? I'm probably younger than you.

There's only a few of us nerds buying this shit and all the currency coins split a niche market. Good luck getting gains from a NANO, XRP, BSV or BCH.

You guys don't realize that you need real buyers?

>>16150938
why don't you also compare apples and oranges google searches?
Google trends tell you about interest. That can give you an indicator of demand.
You guys have heard of supply and demand?

>>16150975
These all offer technological solutions for business. SAP and Microsoft are in almost every office on the planet. Apple is used by cucks. You'd know this if you ever had a job.

>>16150956
>Good luck getting gains
You still don't understand.
We aren't looking for gains.
We want to bootstrap economies
And throw off the shackles
Read the goddamn whitepaper and consider what it is crypto can be.
Satoshi was the first p2p ecash memer and he built something amazing. It was hijacked into a shared ponzi.
But, in his wisdom, Satoshi released the source code. Like fire given to the people. It's now aflame.

>>16150529
what about xmr

>>16150975
Actually tbf you're kinda right, because comparing btc to bsv is like apples to oranges. One is used only for speculation and the other can be used for global commerce.

>>16151012
>SAP and Microsoft are in almost every office on the planet. Apple is used by cucks. You'd know this if you ever had a job
I bet if you zoomed out the chart would make more sense but you're still crazy for thinking those 4 compare like BTC vs one of it's forks.
Search trends aren't the whole story but you get an idea that no one besides us even knows what the fuck it is. Who's going to buy BSV when they have to learn about 5 other cryptos first? Nerds fighting nerds but no one else cares.

>>16151064
Well that's kinda what I'm getting at. Really the only people searching are speculators.

>>16151032
>Read the goddamn whitepaper and consider what it is crypto can be
it was designed to be a store of value. That's why he did it after the banks got QE from Bush and Obama. He made Bitgold before bitcoin but we don't say BTC can't be used as a currency because Szabo invented Bitgold first.
>>16151036
>. One is used only for speculation and the other can be used for global commerce.
BSV is only speculated on by like 1000 people. BTC is used for global commerce by millions. Every shitcoin is the next BTC but they never can scale close to BTC in real usage. ETH is struggling with defi and they're number 2

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>>16151103
>it was designed to be a store of value
No, it really, really wasn't.
Read the goddamn whitepaper if you put your money in. Otherwise, you are the dumb money.

>>16151103
>BTC is used for global commerce by millions
>never had more thank 500k transactions in a day and becomes completely unusable when it tries

>>16151123
>Read the goddamn whitepaper
We've all read it too many times.
Go read the post at the Nakamoto institute. Go read Satoshi's Btalk posts and messages. He made BTC what it is. Your mad the market didn't pick your BTC. There's a bunch like you, for many coins.
If BTC was designed as cash instead of storing value, it failed because Visa still is king. But be careful trusting banks with your value, they do transactions great but have a long history of fucking up the value in currencies.
>>16151144
>>BTC is used for global commerce by millions
>>never had more thank 500k transactions in a day
you know it only takes 4 days at that rate to hit millions. We have 10 years of BTC you should know about.

>>16151144
BSV shills make me doubt the iq here
Szabo is Satoshi but I feel bad telling retards like you that

>>16150558
KILL
YOUR
SELF

>>16151214
>We've all read it too many times.
You should read it for the first time.
You are right, I am mad that fucking retards are treating our revolution like a ponzi to maximize their fiat.
BTC cannot scale as p2p cash and it's failure will correlate to a market correction soon enough.
Just like myspace didn't scale as a p2p communication network.

>>16151214
>you know it only takes 4 days at that rate to hit millions
>>16151226
>BSV shills make me doubt the iq here

How many people are on the planet?

>>16151237
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16150593

>>16151256
Maxis get so mad and personal when you call out their myspace tier technicals.
Insecurity or uncertainty? Maybe don't 'invest' in things you actually don't believe in upon closer examination of the reality.

The BTC has been hijacked by anti-Vishnu forces. My money is in BSV it is a spicy curry

>>16151254
>How many people are on the planet?
take millions and times it by 1000.
>>16151248
BTC is bought for speculation and if you sell it we will call you the BTC pizzaguy and make fun of you in 10 years.

Go tell the real world you know satoshi and own the "true" bitcoin. Idiot

>>16151290
based

CSW has the best curry.

>>16151302
>take millions and times it by 1000.
>a million transactions in 4 days is fine

>>16151280
>when you call out their myspace tier technicals
This idiot thinks he figured out crypto but his technicals haven't influenced price yet. How long will BSV wait for the tech to win? BSV can't carry ETH's load yet anyway, get there before you come for BTC

>>16151314
BSV is a distraction.
The entire field of crypto is waiting to feed on the failure of BTC. Which is guaranteed as soon as popularity spikes.
I think NANO will be facebook to BTC's myspace. But there will probably be many.

>>16151313
it will never replace visa or fiat. You dumbfucks are thinking that 1 currency will work best for everything. That will never be the case again.
This shit isn't the stock market with tax incentives. Crypto is open sourced, without many lobbyists.
You idiots keep comparing bitcoin to google every way except the charts
No one thing owns BTC

>>16151342
>it will never replace visa or fiat
It's like I can see the trembling in your post. How fucking scared are you that we're pulling this off and leaving you all behind?

>>16151332
>I think NANO will be facebook to BTC's myspace. But there will probably be many.
my god you idiots are obsessed with stocks and companies that get tax breaks.

Crypto won't be a monopoly like american retail stores.

Crawl out of your bubble. also if BTC fails, then all crypto dies and a few go into a coma.
You guys can't read? Think about what is crypto to 90% of the world. It's BTC if they've heard of crypto.

Where's the buyers for your shitcoins? You need BTC gains to pump your bags you idiots

i'm talking to children who don't understand what they invested in

>>16151342
>You idiots keep comparing bitcoin to google
We are comparing BTC to myspace. An unscalable mismanaged clusterfuck.
BTC is not bitcoin.
Bitcoin is more comparable to linux.

>>16151367
>How fucking scared are you
how delusional are you. Go to sleep craig

>>16151383
>if BTC fails, then all crypto dies and a few go into a coma
I will roll the dice on this.
Facebook didn't die when myspace fell.
Only a few whales and dumb money lost their shirts.
Same thing.
Get out while you can. Be smarter money.

>>16151397
That chart might be relevant if the fundamentals that made BTC Bitcoin weren't completely broken. BTC is just another shitcoin now. The only thing that it has going for it is price. Before it had growing adoption, use and price.

>>16151410
>Facebook didn't die when myspace fell
i love that retards will look at BTC like a Fortune 500 company.
>>16151422
>That chart might be relevant if the fundamentals that made BTC Bitcoin weren't completely broken. BTC is just another shitcoin now
They were saying this in 2016 when I bought BTC below $1k
You guys just look stupid and poor to BTC holders

>>16150740
>Every crypto goes up and down with BTC. You bought ETH but you'll be waiting until BTC lets altseason happen for real gains.
No, im waiting for proof of stake, which will drive real gains. My "investments driver" will network usage and the associated fees ill collect for contributing to that network. Ethereum is dominating, and will continue to dominate the blockchain space.

Idiots like you dont understand how revolutuonary the concept of proof of stake is. Imagine if VISA and the fed combined into one company, and everybody holding any USD was given a share of that (fed/visa) company, along with the associated fees, in exchange for leaving their computer on. Proof of stake will end usury, proof of work was a good idea, but, like gold, jews already have all the btc. Thats why its pumped so hard by retards who talk about "the halving" as if they can actually comprehend what it is.

>>16151451
Ok lets compare it to XML-RPC. At one time, very useful.
Most people now use REST and JSON.
How about compare it to the gopher protocol?
You get what I mean, an antiquated slightly-off-the-mark technology that gets replaced by something better just with the creators and innovators choosing that better thing over time.
I also bought BTC in 2011 and 2014. I will not be buying more and have been selling ever since MUH 1MB CANT UPGRADE.

>>16151451
>They were saying this in 2016
and they were right...

From 14'-17' (even in the bear) adoption and use was growing at breakneck speed. Bitcoin was ready to scale, but in 17' we hit a ceiling and BTC lost out on a MASSIVE influx of new users. Instead (and this is before any fork occurred) the market got completely segmented into shitcoins and it still largely is. BTC would have easily hit 50k+ in 17' if it weren't for their utter and complete incompetence. If that's even what you can call it. The results of this shit is so profoundly bad that it appears to be more of a sabotage job than incompetence.

>>16151497
>proof of stake
scam

>>16150628
>Invested in Linux.

>>16151451
damn brother lol you have some stamina--mad props

No need to go back and forth with BSV idiots who have zero understanding of technical architecture and Bitcoin's actual value prop

they legitimately can't understand the technical tradeoffs of big blocks and thus have no appreciation for what makes bitcoin so revolutionary

>>16151533
I mean, I did and now I leverage that investment into a very large payday, hosting saas apps.
I don't use gentoo from 2005 though

>>16151497
nothing you said is based in facts. its nut bag jews own moon type shit.
I own ETH too you dumbfuck. I just want it to scale but yeah ive been waiting on casper since 2017 they can change the name 1000 times for all i care but hurry up.
>>16151510
>I also bought BTC in 2011 and 2014. I will not be buying more and have been selling
good, I hold BTC and flip it for more so I hope i get your old ones before the hit 1 million. BTC can be sliced a million different ways but americans can't appreciate store of value as much because we have the strongest currency. BTC isn't just TX, it's 21 million, it's billions invested into the ecosystem, it's all the people working around it, BTC's roots are too deep to be flipped. Anything that can scale better doesn't have BTC's security.
>>16151522
>BTC would have easily hit 50k+ in 17' if it weren't for their utter and complete incompetence.
shut up, you sound gay

>>16151635
kek, you know I'm right.

>>16151635
PoW is not required for security. It is an
environmentally unfriendly, inefficient temporal technique that can be replaced by better options.
Nano uses open representative voting which is like DPOS without the rewards or inflation. It is better in every regard.
I'll keep pointing out the obvious, good luck in the BTC ponzi that isn't even bitcoin as defined by the creator.

>>16151670
PoW is absolutely requisite for security. Would you like me to direct you to an article delineated nano's attack vectors? DAG is a suckers marketing ploy. If the blockchain has no single, verifiable state to reference, then double spends will happen and dilute the supply.

Security above all else is why bitcoin will win in the end. Scaling is a red herring (and why we have secondary networks).

>>16150620
>bruh just trade worldwide composability for a more expensive private database

>>16151752
> nothing but the thing I have my money in is secure
> trust me it can't be
> I read an article somewhere
Security based on network ownership is scalable and more distributed as time passes and more actors enter the ecosystem.
PoW, on the otherhand, centralizes to a few mining pools as the whales get bigger over time.

>>16151752
>why we have secondary networks
LN isn't Bitcoin and it isn't even kind of secured the same way. Or secure at all really. Also doesn't scale or work.

>>16150537

Stay mad

It’s a shitcoin

>>16151811

Ok you obviously haven’t used it and you are shilling shitcoins. KYS

>>16151857
>Ok you obviously haven’t used it
and I never will.

I bought 1 bitcoin when we dropped to 7500, should i buy some shitcoins to up my bitcoin stack or just hodl now?

>>16151651
you guys really believe you know better than the markets.
You're delusional to think you picked the right BTC. You're delusional to think you know what the price would have been if ______. That's some serious nuts shit.>>16151811
no crypto can scale near BTC, they all fail when they get close. You larpers act like you have real users? No one uses any of them except BTC XMR and ETH

>>16151932
hodl until 2021 at least. There's a rhythm to crypto it's around BTC's peak and halving of supply.

>>16151950
>no crypto can scale near BTC
Bitcoin already scales far beyond BTC though. It can easily smash a million transactions without breaking a sweat. As for my price speculation... Idk if it would have been that high, but it would have been a lot higher and the low would have been a lot higher if they didn't ruin BTC.

>>16151991
your shitty alt will never be bitcoin. sorry.

>>16151991
>It can easily smash a million transactions
and you fell for this?
This isn't real use and real scale. Any crypto can twist parameters to scale better than BTC in theory but when ALL of the real world influences hit you, then the real scaling is needed. Ask ETH how kitty games, airdrops and defi, during a bear market is too much to scale. You guys make a lot of promises but your cryptos have never fully delivered. I'll be here if any other crypto figures it all out

>>16151965
Tempting to buy more link though

>>16152065
>do millions of transactions in a day
>but they weren't transactions I agree with so they weren't real

lmao

>>16152050
BTC is not bitcoin.
Bitcoin is not a brand or a dev team.
It is an ideal. It is a goal.
I make fun of BSVers too but I truly hope they prove us wrong and compete on adoption. They haven't yet but they could.

>>16152084
>be a distributed decentralized currency hosted in a single datacenter because of latency issues
bsv. so sad.

>>16152097
https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

>>16150529
If you're lucky you'll get a 10x with BTC if you buy now and hold till the end of 2020. With shitcoins, 10x would be your minimum return if BTC goes up to 100k because alts follow bitcoin if the market is that white hot. For those of us that as actually want to make enough to retire, BTC is stupid. If you went all in BTC now you would make maybe enough to buy a little nicer house or a nice car but thats about it.

>>16152084
>they were mostly spam transactions
seriously, you guys think there could be that much activity? Have you looked at exchange volume and hash power? BSV, BCH can spam between their top few wallets but they haven't gained any ground on BTC, shit they're losing ground
>>16152123
>With the right shitcoins
But it's only for a very small time. Alts had a good 9 months and everyone acts like that will continue forever

>>16152088
>BTC is not bitcoin
it's the only bitcoin there is.

>>16150529
The bottom 50 coins by market cap outperformed btc over the last 5 years.

Only brainlets who want to stay poor hold top market cap coins.

>>16152551
>pay for a service
>it's spam

Cope

>>16152821
>buy my shill coin its impossible to cash out of because the one exchange we listed on showed a gain.
such weak shilling.

>>16152551
a miner can mine tx-es for free. at best he pays to himself. actual tx-es done by users on the sv chain are less than 1% of tx-es. it's a fucking dumpster fire.

>>16153192
>actual tx-es done by users on the sv chain are less than 1% of tx-es.
Interesting, what is that hypothesis based on?

>>16153211
some sv cuck posted a block tx breakdown here not long ago. about 30% of the tx-es alone are weather sv. about 1.3% was financial tx. but it couldn't belong all to users. some of it had to be miners and services.

>>16153263
>30% of the tx-es alone are weather sv
>this means miners are doing it

lmao

>>16153345
weather sv is bullshit. it's not use case it's the most retarded shit ever conceived. also it's paying next to no fees so yeah probably miners do it or subsidy it.

>>16153516
>I don't like it so it's stupid and should exist
>also they're paying next to no fees so its obviously miners are doing it because reasons

Everybody knows they only need BTC they are just delusional.

>>16153543
is that supposed to be some sort of feeble cope?

>>16153682
jfc you autist

Once all the bitcoin has been mined no one will buy it anymore and it will be done

>>16150529

>>16150529
Keep telling yourself that, I got my 6x from CENNZ last month and got nothing from my bitcoin

>near 2020
>altcoins
jesus

>>16151302
>BTC is bought for speculation and if you sell it we will call you the BTC pizzaguy and make fun of you in 10 years.
No one back in 2009-2012 owned BTC because of speculation retard, they were all "p2p ecash memers" or hobbyist miners, and any that just happened to have some spare BTC in their wallet became way richer than you will ever be.
You won't be laughing in 10 years either because BTC will be dumping straight to $0 by then, since 2017 everyone knows that it's a ponzi with no real utility now.

>>16153741
i'm just saying try to cope harder!

>>16154211
Wrong. I personally know an early adopter. He told me to buy btc over and over again since it was 10 dollars. He speculated that btc is the future and that it would keep exploding. He never said where he thought it would stop but it was still speculation nonetheless

Bitcoin Satoshi Vision is the real Bitcoin.

No feast your eyes on Satoshi in all his glory.

>>16153771

>>16154413
just buy and forget about it for a couple years, it's like taking an uber to the finish line

>>16150529
Yeah, keep that speech faggot. See ya'll with my bag full of PLG and STG profit

>>16154444
>See ya'll with my bag full of PLG and STG profit
What the fuck man

>>16150529
What part of "never selling" don't you knuckle dragging retards understand?

Bitcoin Satoshi Vision is the real Bitcoin

>>16151226
paul le roux is satoshi

>>16154438
it's never been that easy for me.

>>16150597
Loooool, no one gives a fuck about this shitcone
This whole space is a meme
And BTC is the tiniest meme of them all
And as much as I hate to say it, if you’d stick eith BTC you’d be much better off than holding any of these shitcones and that’s just a fact wether ur faggot ass likes it or not

>>16154967
Nice argument faggot

>>16154444
STG after some research proves to be the best of the Privacy Coins there is.

>>16153774
I've been doing Bitcoin, who else does not, right? But CENNZ is really doing beautifully now I must admit.

For Bitcoin ATMs that ask you to input a phone number and a name, are there any protections against fake names? If you can use a burner phone and someone else's name, what's the point of making people enter their names?

>>16155948
to technically comply