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>>16131967

>reality should be organised at the level of the individual
private, unelected central banks redistribute individual's wealth to the collective via debasement to maximise collective economic output at the expense of individuals lived experience
>don't concern yourself with the economy if your room isn't clean
>overcome suffering by volunteering for more suffering

Nobody cares

Sergey x Rogan podcast when? It’s a only a matter of time at this point.

>>16131967
based

>jamie pull it up... look at the way he devours that burger in one bite, that's insane
kek

>>16131967

>>16132000
i mean the dude has a point che guevera didn't exactly suffer of lumbar lordosis

the problem isn't protest it's that the left has become an ineffectual effeminate soft penised bunch of ball gaggers

>>16131967
it was sorta funny i guess

>>16131967
Can't read, not selling

>>16132529
He has no point.
The problem is debasement not the existence of political, ethnic, age, skill, gender collectives.
He claims to be against moral relativism and makes his solution to suffering as voluntarily accepting it. It doesn't matter how large the collective economy becomes if you define value relative to the increase you will never accumulate wealth.
Central banking makes people poor so they can't stop working, they are designed to stop people accumulating wealth.
It is fucking madness to ignore this and just say accept your suffering, it's a delusional coping mechanism for the fact no one can escape a wage that is debased exponentially

>>16131967
well done

>>16132000
If you're too inept to pick up after yourself and get your own shit together, why should you make decisions with what happens to my tax dollars or how much I pay?

>>16132732
>it's a delusional coping mechanism for the fact no one can escape a wage that is debased exponentially
Having zero food and zero hope is worse. But you are right, Capitalism, for all of its flaws, is the only system based in the reality that nobody is going to lift a finger for some faggot 100 miles away voluntarily. So they promise the illusion of working harder to escape that, while simultaneously taking more to prevent it, and all of the movers and shakers are born into it, groomed into it, or are the 0.0001% that win the wagecuck lotto and end up owning an industry.

>>16132752
No one should have any right to your wealth other than if they exchange value for it.
That is why capitalism is moral, it associates profit and value while socialism allows you to arbitrate profit.
Central banks debase your wealth by decree.
Peterson claims human suffering isn't attributable to economic variables, it's relativism. Suffering is inevitable just shoulder your load man, it's David goggins tier delusional cope

>joe rogan
thx op not buying this shitcoin

>>16132732
Jordan Peterson doesn't tell people to 'accept their suffering and not try to get rid of it' he tells them that life with nothing in it but just living is suffering and we have to choose to give it meaning. He outright lists 5 things that "a person needs to have in order to feel like his/her life is in order" and says "if you don't have at least 3 of these things, you don't need psychological help, you're just screwed." He outright says "you're just screwed" so he is validating your position, but his advice is that if your'e really screwed you should start picking up and fixing small things in your life to try and move out of your position of suffering one piece at a time.

His entire "life is suffering" argument is that "if you do nothing in your life, if you just sit around doing literally nothing, you will start to feel suffering."

>>16132801
escaping it is embarrassingly easy though

you can even doing it flipping burgers. just give up your 20s and the rest of life is set. it's a shitty system but there's still something you can do about it from a state senate seat, which you can crawl your way up to.

there's jack shit you can do about it if you're just gonna cry about how unfair things are.

>>16132825
you will never escape wageslavery if you define wealth relativisticly

>>16132816
Jordan peterson is a great lecturer and teacher but his philosophy is intellectual masturbation.

Who knows his own philosophy for a remedy to suffering better than himself but his whole life he was antidepresents until he found an objective solution in a change of diet.

Interest is nihilistic or existential Philosophy should be viewed as symptoms of pathological psychology
People are more mentally fucked today than ever before because their wages and savings loose 7%pa as designed to redistribute their wealth to economic collective
Coping with philosophy is madness when a human life requires an objective amount of resource to exist in a worthwhile way. All societal degeneration is attributable to the poverty central dictates onto people

https://vocaroo.com/i/s16IxMKy4iMm

>>16131967
I hate this hack (Peterson) more than words can describe. People eat up whatever bullshit he says. He really showed how much of a mental midget he is during his debate with Zizek.

>>16133260
How so?

>>16132805
>Peterson claims human suffering isn't attributable to economic variables, it's relativism. Suffering is inevitable just shoulder your load man, it's David goggins tier delusional cope
Can you point me to where he makes this claim? As far as I can tell Peterson's prescription isn't that you can't identify causes of suffering and resolve them individually- he seems to even advocate for exactly this. What he doesn't advocate for is trying to solve problems in a domain you have no experience in, because the systems that are in place are so complex that any changes to them which aren't carefully worked out can have catastrophic results. This is in reaction to mainly the left that try to push utopian solutions onto the rest of the world without any idea of the practical ramifications that we would face trying to implement a utopian system. As a software developer this makes sense to me- try writing a large program from scratch and see how it works out. The only way to build a complex system is incrementally, because drastic changes will introduce qualitative changes that were previously unpredictable. So if you want to fix the central bank issue, to my understanding of Peterson's stance, you would have to start by solving smaller problems and working your way up in the scale of the problem until you are wise and powerful enough to solve the monster problem.

>>16133558
>>16133558
it's the basis for his entire philosophy. https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/docs/434/Initial_Chapters.pdf

There is nothing complicated about what central banks do.
Value is a dimension of reality.
A unit of measurement is something that's dependent variable is constant with respect to the independent variable.
cpi is the inversion of a good unit of measurement. Nowhere more apparent than when it would have you believe the price of the dollar was variable prior to 1971 when it was actually pegged >>16132842

would you believe a field is getting longer each day if I measured it with a shorter yardstick each day?
would you believe you are getting stronger if I made the kilogram lighter each day?
would you believe you are working for the same amount of time each day if I made the hour longer?
then why do you define value with fiat currency

>>16132000
The main reason that makee democracy a joke is that every idiot incapable of wiping his own ass or tieing his shoes' laces gets to have a part in deciding about me and you.

>>16133733
Fair enough. How can wealth be objectively measured?

>>16133733
Fair enough. How can value be objectively measured?

>>16133808
Democracy isn't the problem, foreign socialism is the problem.
the creation of the federal reserve and it's debasement is in response to foreign socialist nations (nazis, soviets, chinese).
The USA has been fighting fire with fire for 100 years or the USA is a completely corrupt institute also working to establish global socialism

>>16133855
everything has value same way everything has a length.
The thing that all other things' value changes relative to, is pure gold.

>>16133878
What's the solution? Should we do away with currency as we know it and use pure gold or should we just bring the gold standard back or something else? Will the solution ever happen?

>>16133199
but im from a third world country where paypal was nonexistant for people like me, its not my fault.....its not my fau u u u ult

>>16133928
prices must denominated in gold (Maybe in moles of gold to avoid fuckery)
currency can be whatever the seller will accept.
That way it doesn't matter who issues the currency

it's already in the constituion

>>16133878
Do you even know what socialism is? Socialism is workers' ownership of the means of production.

>>16133878
>foreign socialism is the problem
>creation of the fed and its debasement is the response
>USA fighting fire with fire
What is the point of this?

>>16133976
socialism is the redistribution of individuals rights to a collective whether that collective be the proletariat (social collective), the aryan race (ethnic collective) or gdp (economic collective)

>>16133988
It is the aim of socialism for individuals to have no freedom.
The USA wouldn't have military hegemony without debasing itself to maximise its economic collective. The USA constitution is the last thing standing in the way of you owning nothing.
So debasement is a necessary evil or the usa is already completely corrupt, and there is no one on your side.

>>16134007
Doesn’t debasement affect purchasing power? I already feel like no one is on my side and own jack shit

>>16134165
Yes, If you measure value in usd youre fucked, but nothing stops you from measuring value in gold.
What is your salary/savings/assets in ounces of gold? What was it 5, 10 or 20 years ago. There is no action the fed can take to maintain the purchasing power of the usd because there isn't enough gold in the world to peg it at its current rate. Their goal is to maximise your employment by making you unable to accumulate enough wealth to stop working.

Socialism is an existential threat to the freedom the USA constitution gives a human being. Should they have allowed themselves to be overrun by socialists by not redistributing wealth to the collective via debasement or should they have done what they did, I dunno but here we are.