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Yes.

>>15989630
definitely good

>>15989630
We already have eugenics you retard.
Government policies always create winners and losers, and the winners tend to breed more than the losers.

>>15989819
>and the winners tend to breed more than the losers.
What? its the poor that are breading

>>15989833
The poor are the winners created by government policies because of things like welfare handouts.

>>15989850
But were talkin about Eugenics, not reverse eugenics

>>15989630
Why should we improve humankind? Or even continue it? We have no long term goal to achieve so propagating humanity by reproducing is futile.

PS: Solved the Fermi paradox for you if you're at least 110 IQ

>>15989857
OP is arguing that eugenics is bad because selectively breeding humans, even with good intentions behind it, can lead to negative consequences.
My point is that we selectively breed humans anyway, so we might as well optimize selection.

>>15989857
for the jews/elites/whatever you want to call them, a brown class of around 90 iq has desired qualities: compliance, low impulse control, infighting, susceptibility to manipulation
make no mistake, it is an eugenics campaign, similar to the eugenics we have run on actual cattle for centuries
"reverse" eugenics is wishful thinking from narrow-minded people who cannot break out of the conditioning there is in this context a special quality to humans setting them apart from animals

>>15989860
the same reason you didn't an heroed yourself already, fag

>>15989630
le super funny thread

>>15989630
Every woman is an eugenicist. When a woman chooses not to procreate with an incel, she's deliberately improving the gene pool.

>>15989883
Doesn't even need to be selective breeding. Just use CRISPR to improve people in vitro.

I have a chronic condition and will pay any and all money i have at the first availability to edit it out. Fuck anyone who says eugenics and trying to change humanity is bad. They're champagne socialists virtue signalling at the expense of those they're attempting to speak for.

>>15989993
It’s cheaper to sterilize people with shit genetics/low iq. You would get sterilized because your your deformity.

>>15989993
We're you conceived through IVF?

>>15990005
Unlikely, im successful nonetheless, have a high IQ and am tall and attractive. I just have one area of genes that completely fucked up their job. If i was otherwise a mess i probably would choose not to have kids anyway, but i have enough worth passing on to risk passing on the disease as well.

>>15990010
No, all normal but my mother has the same condition. Laughably mine turned up mid-twenties after i married my wife and since my diagnosis both her brother and father also got diagnosed with it, so our kids have terrible odds.

>>15990020
You wouldn’t be judging your self though. People 10x smarter then you would be and compared to them you’re scum. Think about what you’re advocating before you speak

>>15990067
10x smarter? Unlikely, im a doctor which means I'd probably even be proximal to the position myself. Beyond that sterilisation is such an irrelevant aspect of eugenics that it's not worth talking about, it's so crude your argument is akin to saying we shouldn't punish shoplifters because then we'd have to beat their head in with steel pipes. We have germline editing, are at the advent of in vitro editing and for centuries have been enacting it through simple birth rate differences.

interesting how all the losers here are pro eugenics and pro wiping their own genes without considering how massively the world has changed over several decades
TLDR: you are all retarded losers if you're on here and so am I for talking to you subhumans

>>15990150
> "NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST SEE THERE'S A NATURAL HIERARCHY IN HUMAN QUALITY"

>>15990150
Humanity has always practiced eugenics. Sexual selection and female hypergamy are basically eugenics. We don't need government sponsored eugenics, just let the free market decide who's fit enough to breed. Asortative mating solves the problem.

Let people breed selectively. Women are wide enough to only breed with the fittest. That's how it's always been and that's how we got to where we are now.

>>15990175
ah so we are supporting blacked.com!

>>15990183
Retard

>>15990183
If some women decide to breed black babies it's probably because their black fathers have good genes. I should note however that the vast majority of white women still prefers to breed with white men.

>>15990137
My whole argument is when people talk about eugenics the leave them selfs out of the conversation like you did twice now even with you admitting to inferior genetics on both sides of your family.

Also thanks for being a doc. That’s such a shitty fucking job idk why anyone would want to do it. Fuck having to deal with the emotional rollercoaster of sick and die for people on a daily basis

>>15990201
Israel has no right to exist

>>15990175
Women are shitty at picking mates. Tall men are actually more likely to die. Iq of people in developed countries has been falling because women are picking based on looks/picking violent men and don't care about IQ which has the greatest correlation with survival/success and earnings potential.

>>15990201
>low iq
>high rates of child abandonment
>higher rates of poverty
>somehow "good" genetics

>>15990222
Average IQ is lowering because we don't let the poor die off anymore.

>>15990235
In third would countries recieving food and aid so less people are dying from disease and famine the average iq has been rising. The average iq adult from the US in 1800 would have an iq of 70 if tested today.

>>15990222
>Women are shitty at picking mates.
Your subjective opinion female mate choice doesn't matter.

>Tall men are actually more likely to die.
You know this is BS, right? The effect is too small. Even if being tall shortens one's life span for a few years, it still pays off to be tall as tall men have better odds at surviving battles.

>IQ of people in developed countries has been falling
No, it hasn't. Flynn effect. It only started falling recently. If you zoom out you'll see that IQ has been going up.

>>15990235
The third world countries recieving food and aid (so less people are dying from disease and famine) the average iq has been rising. The average iq adult from the US in 1800 would have an iq of 70 if tested today.

>>15990230
If some black fathers are abandoning their offspring, natural selection will solve the problem. Mixed race children with absent fathers will have lower reproductive success rates and will disappear over time.

>>15990202
No they don't because in no real scenario does eugenics involve killing or sterilization. That said even in the extreme end of sterilization, if the whole project was well overseen and trustworthy it wouldn't be a bad thing. I'd even take the hit if needed.

>>15990252
In war the tallest men are shot first.

For thousands of years the average male height has been 5'0. Short men survive extreme environments more easily than tall men. Short men have higher test and can build muscle faster and easier than tall men. Short men hold on to fat better which is used to survive cold climates. Tall men get circulatory/heart conditions at higher rates, all types of cancer at higher rates. They get joint pain. They have to work harder to build the same amount of muscle. Shorter men are better at endurance running and are more agile.

>>15990266
Then women are not selecting the best partners for reproductive success. Natural selection just allows the most fit to succeed. Not an argument against eugenics.

>>15990290
>Short men have higher test and can build muscle faster and easier than tall men.
Flat out not true. You are going to tell me you believe in somatyping next.
Manlet.

>>15990290
Cont.
Average human height has only recently last 200 years or so been skyrocketing thanks to civilization making it easy for all to survive. Shorter men live statistically longer lives. Japanese men with an average height of 5'7.7 have the longest average lifespans.

>>15990315
People are having fewer, better fed children.
K type and R type selection nigger.

dubm ith

>>15990302
Women will select the best partners they can, not the best existing partner overall (because men are scarce). Natural selection had shaped mate choice for millions of years. Obviously, sometimes women can be deceived by a man who signals long term commitment and then leaves the woman to raise her kids alone. In cases such as these, natural selection solves the problem again by lowering the reproductive success of the dumb woman's kids.

>>15990290
>In war the tallest men are shot first.
You made this up.

>For thousands of years the average male height has been 5'0
In part because of nutritional factors.
The absolute height doesn't matter anyway. What matters is relative height. Women want men who are taller in relation to other men in the tribe.

>Short men have higher test and can build muscle faster and easier than tall men. Short men hold on to fat better which is used to survive cold climates.
This isn't true but even if it were, tall men win fights vs short men, and that's what matters most in the end.

>Tall men get circulatory/heart conditions at higher rates, all types of cancer at higher rates. They get joint pain. They have to work harder to build the same amount of muscle.
Only extremely tall and sedentary/obese men have these problems.

>Shorter men are better at endurance running and are more agile.
Yeah let's talk about how short men are faring in mixed martial arts competitions now.

>>15990310
It's absulutely true. Test/est both fuse growth plates. Doctors routinely give teens growing too tall test shots to halt growth by fusing the growth plates. Tall men have higher rates of balding than men of average heights. Studies show that testosterone given to those balding stimulates hair growth. The tallest races whites (tallest) and afro caribbean men (2nd tallest) also coincidentally have the highest rates of balding in order (whites first, afro caribbean 2nd). The top 10 list of countries with highest balding rates in men is litteted woth european countries 1. Czech republic (42.79% of men) average male height 5'11

2. Spain (42.60% of men)

3. Germany (41.24% of men)

10% of men in thr netherlands receive a test shot at some point to halt growth. 39% of men in the netherlands go bald.

>>15990336
Height is 80-90% genetics. People arpund the wotld are fed much better but that doesn't translate to height increases. Nutrition in the us isn't any better today in the us than 50 years ago yet average heights are skyrocketing. It's natural selection. Not nutrition. More kids are staying indoors and not exercising more than ever before so test is lower yet average hight continues to rise.

>>15990403
No one mentioned balding and you are coming across as a pathetic midget.

>>15990403
No matter how much you try to cope, women still prefer taller men for a reason. The reason is that for millions of years taller men offered better protection to their offspring as they happen to have better chances of winning a one on one fight. A 5'4 guy won't go very far in a MMA tournament.

Obviously women won't want to breed with the monstrosity in your picture. They look for taller men who are also fit.

>>15990175
kek, no fuck the free market just finish the final solution

>>15990377
>you made this up.
No, look it up

>in part because of nutritional factors
It's 80-90% genetics, not nutrition. Families with tall men tend to also have tall women, familes with short women tend to have short men. Average height difference between men and women is always around 4-5 inches regardless of culture

>tall men win fights vs short men
People in a culture normally work together instead of fight. Most men have never been in a fight. People don't fight wars with fists nor have they ever. They use tools. Height doesn't give much of an advantage in a fight. Muscles are more important and shotter men build and maintain muscle easier.

>Only extremely tall and sedentary/obese men have these problems.
You made that up. Obviously obese sedentary men jave higher rates of health problems but when vhecking against height shorter men have fewer of these ptoblems throughout life and live longer on average evrn though they also put on fat more easily. Unless you are somehow suggesting that tall men have higher rates of obesity even though shorter men put on weight more easily.

>>15990290
Hahahahahahhahahahaha

>>15990433
Balding is unattractive and often associated with bad genetics/health problems.

>>15990516
The truth is hilarious

>>15989932
Life worth starting != Life worth continuing

>>15990454
I'm 6'1 but feel free is make assumptions about my character when uou are lising an argument. Claiming women are great at picking the best partners because they pick tall men is a false argument. If anytjing my point that women are not good ar selecting partners still stands as they choose tall men who are genetically inferior.

>>15989819
Is that why only poor retarded people breed?

>>15990454 #
I'm 6'1 but feel free is make assumptions about my character when you are losing an argument. Claiming women are great at picking the best partners because they pick tall men is a false argument. If anything my point that women are not good at selecting partners still stands as they choose tall men who are genetically inferior. Mma tournaments are not real life. People work in harmony 99% of the time and when people go to war height won't help you survive.

>>15990557
Retarded people in general wouldn't be able to afford breeding if they weren't given assistance provided by the government through taxpayers.

Brad Pitt is a manlet if one is to believe the stupid memes that some impressionable retards started and other easily impressionable retards believe. But he is very good looking. I'd rather pick him, even if he was bald, than some ugly tall man with hair. I always wonder when I see a couple where the woman is slightly over 5' tall and the man is circa 6'4". Looks bad and doesn't fit very well. But whatever, their life their decision.

>>15990573
I understand but that's not eugenic, that's dysgenic. Most western countries are operating on a policy of indirectly dysgenics by selecting for non productive and uncooperative "members" of society

>>15990593
Men in porn are always average height because tall men have below average dick size. Its always good looking average height men with muscles and a big dick.

>>15989833
yes anon... welfare nogs are financially encouraged to breed out of wedlock... more gibs for each tyrone and muhammed produced

>>15989883
BASED

>>15990608
I bet that if men natually walked around without clothes men of average heoght would get chosen more than tall men as men of average height have more muscles, lower rates of baldinh and abover average dick size.

>>15990530
Is this all bait? I don't even care about height desu beyond a few jokes but this sort of seethe posting is risible.

>>15990640
Still not eugenic if your goal for society is stability and achievement. If your goal for society is collapsing everything or cultivating humanity to be adapted to a primitive ungoverned jungle, I guess you could say that it's eugenic, but you are only selecting for traits maladapted for civilization by allowing the welfare state to decide who reproduces

>>15990608
I bet that if men natually walked around without clothes men of average height would get chosen more than tall men as men of average height have more muscles, lower rates of balding and above average dick size.

>>15990644
Cool man

>>15990593
I bet that if men natually walked around without clothes men of average height would get chosen more than tall men as men of average height have more muscles, lower rates of balding and above average dick size.

>>15989883
>>15989895
Thanks Anons

manlets. when will they learn?

>>15990652
correct, it is disgenic but if society is willing to implement disgenics then there is no logical coherent against switching to eugenics. this to point out that op is a complete dumbfuck