/biz/ - Business & Finance

Sounds awesome you lucky bastard

>>15913570
This. Id want that job

>>15913570

It's awful. Absolutely awful. A man wasn't supposed to lock himself in an artificially lit room for 8 hours, staring at a screen and making idle chat to overweight roasties.

>>15913560
sounds like literally free money, where's the catch ?

>>15913610
>A man wasn't supposed to lock himself in an artificially lit room for 8 hours, staring at a screen and making idle chat to overweight roasties.

good thing you're in a capitalistic society and you can do whatever job you want to do and nobody is forcing you to do this. Or do you actually believe that you're entitled to something and the government/other people should provide that?

>>15913570
It's not. I did the same as a contractor for a giant DoD engineering command. I was hired at $110k as a "Senior Systems Engineer" on a project that was failing in every possible way, where my entire job was to make powerpoints and listen to complete idiots lie their asses off at meetings. Nobody could tell me what my job was, so I would "work from home" 3 days a week where I would wait for emails from my cunt of a female boss. I quit after 6 months to go back to my previous company where I actually build shit that works. Government workers are absolutely fucking worthless. If the public could even conceptualize how much of their tax money is wasted in the department of defense, they would fucking riot.

>>15913673
>and you can do whatever job you want to do
Lold. This nigger doesnt understand what underemployment is

>>15913560
This is when you show some initiative and demonstrate that you are not a dumb wagie like everyone else. If you can establish that you are actually capable of thought and more useful than the dumb roasties then you will move up the ranks.

>>15913719
>"I developed high supply and low demand skills because I was a lazy piece of shit and now every pajeet can do my job" starter pack

>>15913762
>"I dont know what underemployment is because statistics are hard and I ignore how things were easier for baby boomers because Im a down syndrome retard" starter pack

>>15913767
Underemployment only exists when the government gets in the way, sorry to burst your bubbie bubble bubs

>>15913713
Id kill to make $110k for doing nothing. Why not save up $30k and throw it into btc on the next big dip? Sell after 2x or 3x and reup om the next big dip.. You could live off this strategy

>>15913736
>If you can establish that you are actually capable of thought and more useful than the dumb roasties then you will move up the ranks.

You are unbearably naive.

>>15913776
Retard, underemployement is a result of scarcity, idiots.
Good opportunities are finite and FEW percent wise.

>>15913673
>>15913762
>>15913776
what an absolute retard

>>15913776
Government literally has nothing to do with it. Like what the fuck do you even think underemployment is?

>>15913786
Well, worked for me. I guess next time I'll just call OP a kike and move on.

>>15913560
They don't. They suffer through it for twenty years and then run for office.

>>15913767
It's you who doesn't know what underemployment is.
"Another example of underemployment is someone who holds high skills for which there is low market-place demand. While it is costly in terms of money and time to acquire academic credentials, many types of degrees, particularly those in the liberal arts, produce significantly more graduates than can be properly employed"

>But "muh doctors".
If your line of works suffers from underemployment it means it's either too high supply or too low demand. Nobody gives a fuck what you studied and for how long. It's your life and your choices. You are not entitled to a job, you are not entitled to anything. A moron (like you) looks at underemployment and thinks to himself "well, that's the way things are now". A smart person looks at that and thinks what skills does he need to acquire that are in high demand and can't be fucked over by a supply of pajeets. ou can train to be an astronaut as hard as you want. If millions of other people can do that too, the supply will be high and there will be underemployment. If nobody needs millions of astronauts, there will be underemployment. You decide what you do with your life. Nobody owes you shit. Deal with it, faggot.

>>15913805
Good call, anon.

>>15913801
When somebody who could do something productive for somebody else given the state of society's knowledge is unable to do so

>>15913777
It was a strange feeling to take a raise for what was, on its face, the dream NEET job... and just absolutely hate it. It felt completely degrading. I hated everyone I worked with and my actual skills that I spent so many years to get were rotting. Now I make $102k and don't want to KMS every day.
I'm not good enough at trading crypto to swing it consistently, so I just buy a bunch of BTC and LINK every month and don't worry about it.

>>15913808
Retard
https://www.statista.com/statistics/642226/underemployment-rate-of-us-college-graduates-by-major/
Yes, dipshit, people can pick stuff with underemployment that is on the low end, that doesn't actually guarantee shit. It is obvious you don't know what the fuck you are spouting.

>>15913808
I also find it hilarious how you made a huge wall of text just to explain a basic as shit concept of underemployment. Fuckign kek.
Also, my point still stands strong so pointless post.

>>15913620
The catch is if someone decides to make his life miserable his life will be made more miserable than it already is and it'll be his fault

>>15913736
Lol? Initiative? Acting like you know better than the workers who are already there? That's mighty high and mighty of you, I'm sure that'll end well.

>>15913865
>>15913870
you didn't make a point, you imbecile
you just said "muh underemployment" and kept repeating that without addressing anything. Now fuck off and go ask daddy government for gibs or wait for Mr. Shekelberg to notice your "true value" because you're too much of a retard to understand when the supply for your skills is too high or the demand is too low. Did the government wash your brain and convince you that if you're a good drone, you'll always have a well paying job? Well, though shit. People who own businesses have to deal with this every day, yet it's always the bottom of the barrel retards or slightly over-qualified faggots that are the loudest and are the most entitled. Fucking kill yourselves, commies pieces of shit.

>>15913927
>and kept repeating that without addressing anything.
I adressed how you can't just "choose" any job "thanks to capitalism" due to how scarcity works, you motherfucking retard. Holy fucking shit. I even spelled it out for you.

The rest of your post is you having a tantrum. What the fuck? Retard alert.

This country isn't some motherfucking wonderland. It's shit for the majority. That isn't projection. That is an OBJECTIVE fact. Want me to further btfo you with more stats? :)

>>15913927
44% of 22-27 yr old college grads are underemployed (inb4 just do computer science as if everyone is capable of that. Even they have like a 24ish% underemployment rate for 22-27 yr olds: https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/college-labor-market_compare-majors.html
Think about that. NEARLY 1/4 cs graduates aged 22-27 will be underemployed (don't know how it evens out over time. Still not amazing though. It's around 34% when including all ages and all majors).

78% of full time workers live paycheck to paycheck ( *LITERALLY one paycheck away from homelessness and that is basically poverty* ). *42% of americans will retire broke* (so you give up the best years of your life being someone's bitch just to retire with nothing), 57% of americans can't afford an unexpected 500 dollar bill, 50% of renters are cost burdened (spend over 30% of their income on rent. Half of those spend over 50% of their income on rent), 30% of metropolis city jobs (where most jobs are created) pay hardship wages (not enough to move out with) and 32% pay livable wages (basically poverty) which leaves 38% that are decent (I say decent because you also have to take into consideration the toxicity of work culture. Also, some jobs ONLY pay livable or up BECAUSE of the hours put in. For instance, the average american works 47 hours a week. 49% work 50 hours or more a week. Both of which inflate the wage stats into looking better than it actually is), etc.

Welcome to the "land of opportunity" (load of bullshit).

>>15913927
Seriously, if after THESE stats >>15913953
You will still say "ain't late stage capitalism just beautiful", you are an omega retard.

Also, this situation will only WORSEN in time due to automation. Fucking dumbass.
>b-but then its your fault for not being a computer science genius!
Fuck off, retard. The fact that society is heading towards a point where the majority will get ass raped due to capitalism imploding unto itself is NOT a sign that society is "doing well".

>>15913968
Incase people get an autism attack, heres a better pic. It shows up right in my gallery. Have no idea why it's flipped here.

>>15913953
Also 1/4 college grads make highschool wages.
7/10 graduate with 29k in debt.

>>15913947
>>15913953
>things are hard if you're retarded and most people are retarded
thanks, you just explained the Pareto Principle
whoopty fucking doo. As mentioned in my first post, YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING. When your mother belched you out of her cunt, she did that out of her own choice. It's nobody's responsibility to guarantee you a job, a good life, a pussy to fuck, and whatever you commie dipshits seem to believe.

Populations are a function of logistics. You're just a biomass that results from people fucking. If people fuck beyond what is sustainable for a "decent" living, it's on them. The herd will be culled. The only resource people have in common is TIME. You have roughly the same amount of time as me and as other people. It's on YOU what you do with your time and your life. Again, nobody owes you shit.
10% of people live good and 90% live like shit? Go be like the 10% and shut the fuck up. Are you not capable of that? Too bad. Nobody gives a shit. You think it's impossible to live a good life? Quit and kill yourself. Nobody cares and nobody will lift a finger to improve YOUR life.

>>15913673
>capitalism is where a private central bank not responsible to the government or constitution devalues your savings and wages exponentially against the exponential fall in the price of consumer goods to maximize your employment

I will never stop taking this bait

75% of government jobs are adult daycare for women, minorities, and retards. It's all a sham. The endless emails and power points serve no purpose. It's a faceless mindless bureaucracy and in most cases entire departments could be condensed to a single workstation with proper automation.

The reason it isn't done is because tens of millions are "employed" in this adult daycare and if they were to be kicked to the curb how they deserve the economy would collapse instantly.

It's just a government subsidy that goes through an additional step before being injected into consumer marketplace.

>>15914007
>Go be like the 10% and shut the fuck up
Elitist mentality like this is why this society is imploding. Efficiency for the mere sake of it (to maximize profits) isn't what should give worth to a human, motherfucker. Are YOU even in the top 10%?
What a primitive brain you have. You can't even question inefficiencies. Let's pretend that only .0000000000000001% of people could live "good" while the rest (including you) couldn't. Would that be a good society?

Well? Answer that, faggot. Where the fuck do you draw the line as to when a society is a failure and when it's not?

>>15914021
And just to clarify, when I used "efficiency"I mean in terms of maximizinf profits. When I say "inefficincies",I refer to how survival in itself is done extremely inefficiently in this country (no doubt on purpose. One example is overpriced real estate. This keeps people like you desperate for a job and you rely on an emplpyer for survival).

>>15913953
NPC problems. Why should I, an actual human capable of learning and adapting, give a shit about the fate of automatons?

Are you going to pretend that the type of moron who lives paycheck to paycheck is an actual person with actual emotions and feelings, and not just a static prop?

>>15914021
And just to clarify, when I used "efficiency"I mean in terms of maximizinf profits. When I say "inefficincies",I refer to how survival in itself is done extremely inefficiently in this country (no doubt on purpose. One example is overpriced real estate. This keeps people desperate for a job and you rely on an employer for survival).

>>15914013
literally didn't say anything about the Fed or defended it in any way. Nobody that I know likes/agrees with the existence of central banks. That's shitty capitalism, yet everyone is forced to deal with it. Surprisingly, all commies who attack capitalism always attack things that were created by the government like the bailouts or things that no capitalist ever defends because they know it's bullshit and crony. Really makes you think.

>>15914007
>YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING
damn right.
no one is entitled to the wealth of another man via inflation. the same way no one is entitled to the wealth of another man by stealing it

>>15914021
Society is not imploding. We live in the most prosperous era in human history. You are a retarded little communist faggot and you are going to get the rope if your "dream" ever comes true.

>>15914013
>not responsible to the government

this part is bullshit, as is any particular notion of the separation of "core state" from its other arms. there's just some abominable conglomeration of institutionalised coercion, of which the states and central banks are just the more explicit parts, which are all interlinked and inter-reliant. don't forget that the central bank would collapse without faith in the state itself, and is granted a monopoly on its position through legislation.

>>15914029
>that the type of moron who lives paycheck to paycheck is an actual person with actual emotions and feelings, and not just a static prop?
Literally makes 0 sense
>NPC problems. Why should I, an actual human capable of learning and adapting, give a shit about the fate of automatons?
1. Have sex
2. You would be singing a different tune if your job were automated one day. What even is yoir job? You MUST be some genius since you can adapt to ANYTHING, right :)
Really, I wonder if you're just some edgy teen or a college student with no real world experience

>>15914038
>society is not imploding
You say that, yet statistics that I've posted btfo you to oblivion LOOOOL

Stay retarded. Only a motherfucking DUMBASS ignores DATA

>>15914035
maybe you need to quantify what has been stolen from people before thinking telling people they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps is reasonable

>>15914038
Also known as dogma. You can't reason with down syndrome DOGMATIC retards. You btfo them with DATA and they pretend it's not real :)
Topkek

>>15914048
>statistics from last few years show human civilization is in decline!!!!

Panicky retard. How much sugar and caffeine did you consume today? What type of device do you use? Short term fluctuations of income disparity and regional quality of life don't mean shit.

You interpret your data in a particular way and try to claim its science, but its just a cleverly framed lie.

>>15914052
I btfod them already. They aren't going to listen. That dumbass baby boomer (and I wonder what their job even is. They act oh so superior and like the cream of the crop in terms of genetics and think selfishly i.e. everything is fine so lomg as THEY are fine. Sociopath generation).

>>15914078
At this point in time things are BAD and automation will make it WORSE.

If you can't comprehend that, you have down syndrome.

>>15913713
>government spies on everybody
Nothing
>government kills his own people
Nothing
>world leaders are a bunch of pedos
Nothing
>tax money is wasted so tonya can browse facebook all day
Massive riots

Nobody would do anything

>>15914021
I am incapable of giving a shit about SOCIETY when the supply of society is infinite. If tomorrow we'd invent infinite energy and infinite food, the population will tend to infinity. You can't fix society's problems, world hunger, poverty, etc. Not as long as people can just fuck and make more people. People will ALWAYS fuck until it's unsustainable and then they'll fuck some more. Even assuming a society manages to keep itself artificially low and not abuse all the infrastructure and resources, you still have places on Earth that will provide you with infinite population because they will just fuck there and then move and use your infrastructure and resources due to over globalization. The only thing you can do is to try to be the top dog. It's nobody else's fault that you are incapable of that or that your mother shat 10 kids and not all of them are living the american dream.

But I'm sure what we need is just some good old communism to fix all these unfixable problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

>>15914078
>You interpret your data in a particular way and try to claim its science, but its just a cleverly framed lie.

Okay. What part was a lie? :)
Please be specific. Quote SPECIFIC stats and tell me what makes them a lie lmfao. This should be good..
In denial retard.

>>15914082
You didn't "btfo" anybody. You are probably an unemployed 20 year old taking multiple prescription drugs, and looking for somebody (society) to blame for being a fuckup. Cling to your statistics, dumbfuck. They will not save you, and will be cold comfort when you are staring your 30s down and realize you never developed a single marketable skill.

>>15914091
So in other words with the scenario I presented you, even if you yourself failed to be the "topdog" and the GRAAAAAND majority lived shitty lives (IN A CASE WHERE IS COULD BE MITIGATED AND PREVENTED) it is a success so long as SOME of it is still functional enough where humans still breed?

Jesus christ, what a brainlet world view.

>>15914052
Let me guess, did someone stop you or your NIGGER ancestors from investing in assets? No? Then good luck keeping that cash when you know they keep printing more of it. Typical commie mentality. Somebody else should be responsible for his life choices. Like, nigger just buy gold or stocks, wtf.

>>15914082
>I btfod them already.
topkek
The only thing a commie can BTFO is 30 million people that die of hunger

>>15914044
you cannot vote in the decisions made at the federal reserve although they affect you more than the decisions made in congress or the senate
the federal reserve does not need to follow the constitution
the federal reserve does not need to report to any elected house of government
the last head of state that tried to issue money from the treasury was assassinated

there has never been a civilization that has made its citizens denominate value relative to increases in collective economic output. Defining value by cpi is the most subtlely tyrannical monetary policy of any society. It would be incomprehensible to anyone 100 years ago that we would be denominating our wages in a unit of value that is defined not by nothing but by something guaranteed to loose value - consumable goods.

Blaming people for their inability to accrue wealth, own a home afford a partner or children, accusing them of being lazy when they are in fact the single most efficient labor force in human history or placing the blame on social collectives makes you complicit in the system from my point of view.

>>15914095
I did. They had shit logic. I btfod them with stats :)
Plain and simple.

I also am employed. Have a 2 yr degree amd finishing a bachelors.

You? :) cmon chad. What are your stats? :) pussy don't hide. You a cs genius? You an engineer? Please no larping. What is your age and what is your job?
>inb4 pussies out

>>15914108
Lol? Not a counter argument. I accept your defeat

Stats destroyed you. Plain and simple. You are focusing on ME instead of the DATA I presented. Your views of a successful society are shit as shown here >>15914106

>>15914108
Also, stop being a pussy. What is your job and net worth? You're a top dog, right? A cs guy? An engineer? A lawyer? Cmon big guy. You're the cream of the crop, right?

>>15914112
why are you on 4ch? serious question

>>15914108
you are the communist, you think you have a right to other wealth without their knowledge.
you bring up race.
living in a society of people who cannot stop working is only wealth if you define wealth as power over others

>>15914112
you can't vote in the decisions made in government either, lol
the government reports to nobody
how am i blaming people by saying that the state is part of the problem
yikes

>>15914091
Also by your logic, a shithole third world country is "successful" because people still breed.

LMFAOOOOOOOOO

THIS RETARD JUST CALLED A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY A "SUCCESS"

>>15914144
you vote for your representatives and party policy

>>15914134
I don't know, where else do these arguments exist

>>15913560
This sounds like free money, wtf? How do we sign up?

>>15914150
you're influencing society more by buying a fucking chocolate bar than by voting at the ballot box for some one jewish chosen face amongst dozens, about who you know absolutely nothing and about whose future actions you know even less. even if you knew everything about him, you would be incapable of changing anything by putting him in a position of 'power' because he would have to sacrifice 95% of his claims in order to get the leverage to get the other 5% through, and in order to get this 5% through he'll have to suck so many dick and redirect so many taxes that you'll end up losing anyway

stop being so naive. what more do you want? wasn't trump proof enough? image and actuality are not the same. ticking your little box and then going home does NOTHING

YOU OWN NOTHING GOYIM

>>15914112
>>15914139
Holy shit. You utterly destroyed those sociopath retards way better than I did even with the stats I posted..

Honestly, your posts alone should conclude this thread, but bootlicker sociopaths will NEVER accept being wrong.
It's also hilarious that when bootlickers are losing, they ALWAYS resort to "you're a COMMUNIST" kek.

>>15914121
>Not a counter argument.
A counter argument to what? That you BTFO me? Yes, let me change your delusion. Kek.

Or are you referring to your statement that you can mitigate and prevent overpopulation? In that case, be my guest. Start with your welfare niggers in your country and then go nuke Africa and China. I have nothing against that. But let me guess, your solution is actually to take from the rich and give to the poor and not actually address the infinite supply of people that are breeding in your own country and the infinite supply of people that are migrating into your country. Am I right?

>>15913560
Get taking the govpill is actually based anon. I've managed to automate everything in my job and I also now work from home 3 days a week so I can basically live like a NEET but with the salary of a wagecuck

>>15914172
>your solution is actually to take from the rich and give to the poor and not actually address the infinite supply of people that are breeding in your own country and the infinite supply of people that are migrating into your country. Am I right?
Ya, keep ignoring how I utterly decimated you with stats. Cope. Cope. Cope.
Anyways, retard. Real estate should not be for profit. That's one of the BIG solutions. Homes for minimalists should be prevalent. Similar to what nonprofits like "habitat for humanity" do but the solution is maling that in a wider scale. Making homes as cheap but safe as possible. Homes that can be paid off relatively quickly to make homelessness non-existemt and a non-issue.

Also, vat tax is not a bad idea if placed on large businesses as it is a consumer end tax and all business transactions would get taxed (since trinkle down economics you retard republicans like to push is bullshit as shown here https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-investment/1-5-trillion-u-s-tax-cut-has-no-major-impact-on-business-capex-plans-survey-idUSKCN1PM0B0))

>>15914172
Also Lmfao >>15914146
I notice you ignored this. I wonder why? :)
>inb4 tries to save face and say "you're putting words in my mouth!" when clearly I am using your exact fucking logic

>>15914163
All I want is for people to measure value in a reasonable unit of value because my life is better when my family, friends, society and planet are not everyday comped and leveraged with their own existence or happiness into fucking each other over.
Only perverts and psychos want to live in a world of slaves.

We are on a rock orbiting a perpetual explosion in an infinite void, there is no need to put people in economic hamster wheels for the benefit of the faceless collective economic output or parasitic psychopaths who desire it

>>15913560
i bet you live in south italy

>>15914200
linking fifty five studies with headlines that prove your point doesn't constitute an economic argument, lol
nor do unexamined statistics
seriously, go back to /r/politics
you aren't going to achieve anything here

Hey faggot down syndrome retard idiot sociopath boomers that I destroyed with data. I will probably go to sleep soon so if I stop responding, that's why

>>15914220
i agree
all i'm saying is that democracy functions as nothing but a sedative for actual impulses for change

>>15914236
>you aren't going to achieve anything here
I know. Republicans are scared of numbers. I don't know why I argue with monkeys as if there's any chance you guys will ever accept facts Lol.

>>15914239
>destroyed with data
you understand that you're attemtping to debate economic ideology with data from which conclusions are drawn according to ideology, right?
if you understand what i just said, then you understand that posting data is worse than posting nothing at all.

>>15914242
>thinks everyone is a republican or democrat
if your entire contribution to this thread is bait then good job
otherwise, i reiterate, there's literally no point in you being here. you just google something to support your views, post the first study which comes to your view and think no further on the matter, and you call this intellectualism

>>15914236
>unexamined statistics
Retard alert. Literally google them and see them for yourseld. Iirc, most to all are government stats.
>doesn't constitute an economic argument
Those stats are directly related to how people are performing in the economy. That's literally what they are.

>>15914261
>stats hurt my views so they are not real!
How about actually showing HOW they are inaccurate instead of just whining about them? No? Can't do that? Kek

>>15914240
no one would vote to be made poor if they knew they were making that choice everyday

>>15914250
>posting data is worse than posting nothing at all.
Idiot. I am showing the RESULTS of this economic structure. Brainlet holy mother fucking shit. You are acting like those psuedo intellectuals that have no arguments at all and think they are contributing soemthing when they are just blowing air.

>>15914262
i'm not saying that the numbers are incorrect, i am saying that you have not examined the categories at hand

if you don't know what the employed concepts mean, then you do not know what the statistics actually indicate

as a matter of fact, you're just letting other people think for you without even knowing what thoughts you're pushing through
numbers are irrelevant without interpretation. now, justify your interpretations. you cannot do this with more statistics.
due to the complexity of the world, every economic theory can be backed up by more studies than you can ever read.

>>15914271
because i don't have time to '''debunk''' every study in the world (and i'm definitely not subscribing to the paywalls you linked for that purpose)

i'm even here to disprove your End position at this point, i'm just asking you to reach it on legitimate epistemological grounds
though i'm sure to you r*dditors the word "epistemology" seems to fall into the same category as witchcraft and sky daddies
science ftw!

>>15914289
>t. Psuedo intellectual
Why are you so dumb? Why?
Those stats show how people currently perform given out economic structure.
>numbers are irrelevant without interpretation
Dp you even understand what you are saying? Those numbers spell it out for you. They show how people are getting fucking screwed over. THERE'S your fucking interpretation, dumbass.
>due to the complexity of the world, every economic theory can be backed up by more studies than you can ever read.
So fucking what? I am showing the RESULTS of this structure. By your logic, all the stats I mentioned are void "just because they don't address everything about capitalism". Like what the fuck, dude.

Something tells me you jist don't want to accept the reality of the situation and will just ignore any sort of stats that go against your views and are just trying to hide behind psuedo intellectual babble to try to make that seem logical.

>>15914272
two things:
firstly, systems of rule aren't on a one-dimensional line wherein there exists one or the other. power structures of society are multi-dimensional
what i mean by this is that there is no simple 'democratic system'. think in terms of the magnitude of decisions made in society by certain ideological superstructures. one may call a society in which 1% of decisions are made 'democratically' a democracy, when in fact it's 99% run by voluntary liberty. one may call a 5% fascist society entirely fascist, when in fact it's 95% voluntary. one may call a 80% 'democratic' society democratic, and, with the help of the axiom 'democracy is more free than fascism', arrive at the conclusion that this democracy, in which only 20% of decisions are actually free, is more free than the minor fascist system. this is false.

secondly, the majority will never have esoteric knowledge. the majority will never change their ways.

>>15914311
>i'm just asking you to reach it on legitimate epistemological grounds
You legit just sound like a psuedo intellectual. You're a philosophy major, aren't you? You guys honestly come across as pompous little shits with no real logic. Using words like "epistemological" to try to make you seem smarter just looks pathetic as fuck.

Also, nothing wrong with how I argue. MY point is this current structure is fucked (aa shown by CURRENT stats. Get that through your fucking head) and things will only get worse with more displacement of workers (due to automation).

>>15914359

>>15914311
>science ftw!
Yet you probably don't know shit about science either lmfao..
And it's HILARIOUS how you are trying sooo very hard to make the stats I used void by trying to make it seem like I am misusing them even though I am clearly not. Fail.
Again. Current economic stats show how this system is working out for them. Sorry :(
I'm in the right here :)

SCIENCE FTW!

>>15914373
>h-he btfod me again so I have to shitpost to save face!
Sad sad psuedo intellectual.

>>15914375

>>15914348
This is kind of the state of the conversation. Bitcoin may be the answer as it requires a lot of work to make people forget it's cash where gold requires a lot of work to make people remember it's money.

Debasement only ever happens because of war. Either you debase yourself to defend yourself from tyrants or tyrants exist (their policy is debasement).

I'm pretty blackpilled at this point; either we have ww3 where more people will die than were alive in ww2 or we get the complete attrition of tyranny simply by the unprecedented existence of man made market governed currency.

>>15914384
>f-fuck! He found out I'm a retarded philosophy major!
>my fucking psuedo intellectual babble that wasn't even right isn't working since he saw right through me!
>I know! I'll shitpost to save face!
>that'll show em hehe
>man, I am such a genius for being a philosophy major

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But I can't fuck up my nails
so Imma pick it up with chopsticks.
Mouth wide open
Mouth wide open
Mouth wide open like I was at the Dentist
Mouth wide open
Mouth wide open
Put it so deep I can't speak a sentence

>>15914384
Seriously tho. You're a retard arguing semantics. Fact of the matter is the MAJORITY of AMERICANS are currently fucked.

Not my opinion :)

No no, stop right there. You're psuedo intelectual philosophy crap is irrelevant here. People are indeed struggling and stats back that up, k? It's that simple. Not rocket science. Don't try to overcomplicate the simple, okay? I'm right here, okay? Not an opinion. It's straight up what the numbers show. Got it? :) Okay, good.

>>15914448
this NIGGA FINNA BAITING MY CUMSHOOOOT
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMING

>>15913673
>Because something isn't illegal that means you can do it
Fucking goldberg shilling retarded nigger faggot

>>15914448
im sorry dude but you've kinda been getting dunked on and we've kinda all been laughing at you from the sidelines. you just played yourself.

>>15913560
>what it is and what it was advertised as are completely different
well, noshit.jpg. You the same anon who posted prev. about being 'due to start a gubberment job' ? You were told then. You'll adapt, and in a few years be capable of doing nothing but the odd 'lookbusy' either. Think on the retirement benefits

>>15913801
>Government literally has nothing to do with it.
Good one.

>>15913560
>get Gov job
>Complains they lied to him
What the fuck did you expect!

>>15913560
I'll pray for you OP

watching a commie having a mental breakdown in this thread is priceless. Left for 1 hour and came back to these gems
>I BTFO EVERYONE! LET ME SUCK MY OWN DICK SOME MORE
>GUYS IF I STOP POSTING IT MEANS I WENT TO SLEEP. YOU HAVEN'T DEFEATED ME
>THIS GUY THINKS THAT (statement of fact) IS HOW THINGS SHOULD IDEALLY BE IN THE WORLD, LMFAOOOO
>I DECIMATED EVERYONE, RIGHT GUYS?
>REAL ESTATE SHOULD NOT BE FOR PROFIT, WE CAN HAVE HOMES FOR EVERYONE IF ONLY WE GET OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY
my fucking sides. I haven't seen this much cope masked as not cope in a long time.
Time to leave this cesspool of a thread and let commies fuck their own life even harder while blaming everyone else.
And rember these 2 things kids:
>1. It's never your successful friends who post the communist quotes
>2. A communist is worth less than the bullet that you use to shoot him in the head

>>15914596
kek >>15914168

>>15914522
How :)
All I did was post stats while all the others have said "n-no stats bad you cant use data!!!!" and I also showed how that one retard called a 3rd world country a "success". You call that getting dunked on?

Either you are a samefagger or a retard siding with your fellow down syndrome republicans :) so easy to read you. Winner here is obvious. Me

>>15914596
aww being quiet after this post? >>15914700
Get obliterated

>>15913560
good question OP. have you ever done manual labor? like collecting crops or construction work? no? be happy you can do this, after your shift is over you should have enough power to do stuff you actually enjoy with the money you made.

>>15914596
you also talk about mental breakdowns and then post a massive one yourself... umm you okay there buddy? :)
Having trouble coping with the decimation and embarrassment I have dealt to you? Having trouble mustering up actual counter arguments? Sad sad boomer. Keep seething

>>15914522
>y-youre getting dunked on
>my team scored 0 points while you scored 100 Lol. Y-youre getting dunked on
>gottem
Desperation. The post

>>15913560
It means you can trade all day, what are you complaining for? My previous job was like that, and it was a dream. Now I work all the time, and I'm exhausted. Even on weekends I can't do shit due to exhaustion

>>15913825
What was your job and how do I get it?

i donno but i really fucking wish they would (not you op, the people who go along knowing they’re just being babysat and stealing from the taxpayer but don’t attempt to improve or kill themselves)

>>15913560
assuming you're a mutt its fucking columbus day gtfo this board job larper

>>15914195
What do you do and how do I get into it?

>>15913570
You really have to be the lowest of wageslaves to think it is 'awesome' to be bored all day long in an open space.

>>15913610
Find a way to entertain yourself or be productive for yourself. You have an opportunity here.

>>15914744
You got dunked on pretty hard in this thread Shlomo, you should get some rest

>>15913980
>Making a point using statistics
>Photograph of a youtube video
>Nearly
>Could be
>by the decade
My sides

>>15914019
This, very much.

I've worked numerous jobs from burger flipping to high prestige high pay work

They are all pointless and your baseline happiness goes back to where it was after a week or two

>>15913673
>good thing you're in a capitalistic society and you can do whatever job you want to do and nobody is forcing you to do this.
You make it sounds like paradise.

>>15914035
Fed and bank of England exist before your grandfather was born. It's not like it's something new.

>>15913560
>>people actually do this year in year out
This part shocks me the most, having experienced it myself. Old boomer hags would literally choose to do something like this for decades and thing nothing of it.

>>15913560
what job is it anon?
do you need a degree?

>works for organization where it's almost impossible to fire people
>surprised everyone is incompetent

>>15913560
Sounds typical for a government job.
They can't go out of business because people have guns pointed at them to force them to buy their product/service.

Does anyone actually get a job from usajobs that isn't a highly qualified doctor? I just assumed these jobs are showcase and the real jobs are given to people they know.

>>15914744
What range of topics are we discussing?

>>15913801
Have you heard of Obama?

>>15913736
>moving up in the ranks of government
>by being competent
Oh sweetie

>>15914091
"If children were brought into the world by an act of pure reason alone, would the human race continue to exist? Would not a man rather have so much sympathy with the coming generation as to spare it the burden of existence, or at any rate not take it upon himself to impose that burden upon it in cold blood?"

>>15914445

Based CupcakKe poster

>>15913713
my friend does this too and just bought a house. he travels a lot and gets per diem. working for the government would suck in a lot of ways but he mostly just tells people what needs to get accomplished for 6 figures and if the DoD runs out of their budget for the year he gets to do nothing and still get paid

>>15913968
>>15913980
in theory if businesses ran efficiently and were keeping up to date yea 40 percent of jobs could be automated but boomers running those businesses are opposed to technology and are slow about implementation

>>15913560
>How the fuck do wagies do this without wanting to kill themselves?
They get in to shit like crystals or home made beer and blog about it on facebook.
They spend all there money on shitty cars and overpriced housing. They get drunk and spend half there pay check on ebay. They go home after work and take a 5th cheat-day in a row from there diet and watch TV all night.

But at lest they have sex every now and then, cant say the same

>>15914445
Is this a real song? Why do norimes seem to only talk about sex all the time.?

>>15913610
>>15913610
>>15913713
>>15915044
Look at all these normalfags. You got to stay home 3 days a week. Just open up 4chan and shitpost you fucking normalfag. Shit i spend more time shitposting than you spend at your job already.

>>15913968
Muh late stage capitalism
Keep dreaming commie

>>15914146
People in shit hole 3rd world countries are typically much more content with their shit lives than people in first world nations. You'll never hear a Guatemala bitch about being a taxi driver or being destined to work construction for the rest of their lives. They're just happy to be alive.

Your life has been too east. Your a faggot who will never appreciate his wealth because in your mind working until you are 70 and your kids start taking care of you is prison.

>>15914700
But your clearly a communist using communist terms. You merely pretend to be a national socialist but you aren't as national socialists were capitalist by your definition of capitalism being an exchange of goods for money.

>>15916789
In what theory. Please provide some actual statistics or a theory that isn't just duude robots

>>15917013
Not Him, but, heres a random example from today:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/oct/14/fears-rise-in-benefits-system-automation-could-plunge-claimants-deeper-into-poverty
- they turning the entire Bong NEET bux system over to bots (wot cud go rong, etc). Eventual 40% staff savings would be within their targets, for sure. Problem, these fomer staff all NEET bux customers then as well, adds to the workload. But joined up thinking isn't a strong point, UBI (in some form) or similar becomes a necessity

>>15913560
You know the problem with having that wagie mindset is that YOU are the one who thinks hes supposed to go to work and be robotic, you aren't, get passionate about your life, if you are working financial, get to meet people, get your Series 7, get mentored, get selling and get buying get paid, are you in insurance, same shit, marketing, can you find a area in marketing you can get passionate about? Get home, don't play games, instead study digital marketing, study SEO, up your game up it up it, get 50k 70k, up six figures, believe me or not it can happen.

Do you got a deadend job at walmart? Just do your best for a couple years, if they won't respect you, I dunno bro just get a job at a bank or something, get your degree and then you have that resume to go with it.

You always have a choice if you are sad and feel aimless, you can take your own life into your hands and aim it somewhere, hell do side hustles you are interested in, even turn a shitty job into a purposeful job, your bad job is now there to just fund your good job know what I mean?

>>15913801
>Government literally has nothing to do with it
who implements a minimum wage price floor above the market clearing labor price leading to a shortage of employment, again?

>>15913560
>be 25
>hs dropout, no job
i would love your job fgt and i would fuck all those roasties bro

>>15913560
Find out if you can telework. My agency allows everyone that is able to work from home. Seriously, over 80% of the people here telework.
https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Telework_Annual_Report_2018%20508%20Compliant.pdf

>>15917621
whos the one automating jobs again :)?

>>15917621
whos the one paying hardship wages again as well :)?

>>15916997
>communist terms
such as...? :)
>c-communist COMMUNIST *foams from mouth*
and youre clearly a down syndrome retard pretending im a communist because you are losing fucking hard and this is your desperate attempt of getting a leg up. Am I right? Ya, of course I am :)

>>15916973
EVERYONE
this retard just called a 3rd world country as being more successful than america even though they suffer a shittier quality of life.

Stats of what this retarded down syndrome fucker thinks are good:
http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats
talk about DESPERATE. I beat him so hard that the only way he can save face now is by saying stupid shit like this :)

>>15916885
>Muh late stage capitalism
>Keep dreaming commie
not an argument. Automation is real :)
Get with the times, retard.

>>15916876
So, you admit to being a NEET... okay? How does that even help your argument at all? It just shows how ignorant and stupid you are

>>15915676
Who doesnt just LOVEbeing someone's bitch tho? Does chugging down employer cock feel AMAZING though?? I personally like taking it up the asshole like a good submissive bitch
There is NO meaning to life if I cant be an employer's bitch.
Seriously, bootlickers are pathetic subhumans

>>15915215
>y-youre the only one that presented stats and counter arguments BUT YOUR GETTiNG DUNKED ON!!!!!!!! REEEE
kek

>>15917862
and to clarify america is indeed a shithole and even though I consider it a failure (as I backed up by stats), im also not retarded enough to call a 3rd world country "more successful" when people die at higher rates and have less access to food and shelter.
That anon above has down syndrome

>>15917781
What's the salary?

take the L .you are seething so hard that you need to reply to the same post twice.no (you) for you .

>>15918048
kek this is your attempt of a counter argument? Get destroyed :)
>y-you think arguments are won by logic?
>lol no its by shitposting so i win dur hur

Based commie itt. I'm a full on natsoc but I agree with this guy %110. All the people debating him are underage lolbertarian manlets who delude themselves into thinking their the next Warren buffet, or who have swallowed the Jew lie that being an expendable wageslave until a robot replaces you is somehow honourable. But yeah, fuck those socialists for wanting to protect the average Joe from being a slave for life. Lol.

>>15913560
jeez, so much government money wasted

>>15913560

>Have a job where you literally have to do nothing, just smile at people, make small talk here and there, and not be an autistic idiot.

>Have the ability to learn any skill you want in between downtime, and get paid for it.

>OP Bitches about it on 4chan.

OP will surely make it

>>15917787
>>15917809
>>15917824
>>15917862
>>15917875
>>15917884
>>15917902
>>15917911
>>15917944
>>15918246
>Caring this much
Jeez, seems like a whole lotta work for no pay. Think you'd be better spending that time working oni-chan ~

>>15916789
>but boomers running those businesses are opposed to technology and are slow about implementation
You sound stupid as shit. Employers aren't so lazy that they will just say "ehh, too much work". Retarded logic. Employers can, already do, and WILL implement automation if it results in lower costs.

FACT.

>>15914112
I agree
The system is rigged

>>15917911
Pic related, it's you

>>15919034
Except you're reaching since I'm not a commie
AGAIN, you guys REEEEEk of desperation. Making baseless assumptions JUST to try to get a leg up from the ultimate btfo of all time :)
Pic is you btw

>>15919226
>i'm not a commie, but capitalism is broken and employees are slaves
sounds like something a communist would say
pic related, it's you

>>15913560
Sound like a job I had in the military for about 4 years(with the occasional field drill stuff)

Use this job anon. It is free money.
Use your time at "work" to educate yourself.
Learn to code, a foreign language or whatever.

>>15913560
I did this. Felt like the withered husk of a man. Quit 6 months ago

>>15919226
By the way, your autistic obsession with automation taking away jobs is completely wrong.
Basically no one agrees whether or not automation will be a significant dynamic within the workforce in the future.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610005/every-study-we-could-find-on-what-automation-will-do-to-jobs-in-one-chart/

>>15913560
Do you have a pension? I would half ass everything and focus on being well liked instead.

There's nothing more rewarding than having an easy ass job with benefits and salary, and going home at a reasonable time without having to think about work when you clock out. Consider yourself lucky.

>>15919263
It is broken. Criticising inefficincies =/= commie, you omega brainlet.
>>15919336
Even they say what I'm saying isn't "wrong", illiterate retard. They are just saying many experts can't come to an agreement.
However, matter of fact is most jobs are low skilled and easy to automate. Others not so low skilled are still in danger such as truck driving. Retail work is already being automated i.e. self checkouts. Call centers. Book keeping. Etc.
Don't bullshit me that automation won't be the end of many common jobs. That much IS certain, shit for brains. You act as if automation isnt already being implemented in this current time.
Completely wrong my ass lmfao

>>15919263 #
It is broken. Criticizing inefficincies =/= commie, you omega brainlet.
>>15919336 #
Even they say what I'm saying isn't "wrong", illiterate retard. They are just saying many experts can't come to an agreement.
However, matter of fact is most jobs are low skilled and easy to automate. Others not so low skilled are still in danger such as truck driving. Retail work is already being automated i.e. self checkouts. Call centers. Book keeping. Etc.
Don't bullshit me that automation won't be the end of many common jobs. That much IS certain, shit for brains. You act as if automation isnt already being implemented in this current time.
Completely wrong my ass lmfao

>>15919550
>Many experts say that automation isn't a threat to low skilled jobs, but I say that it actually is, because reasons
I heard they started putting "Open at other end" on the bottom of Coke bottles because of people like you

>>15919561
By the way I saw you deleted your post because you're a retard who doesn't understand how to use an imageboard, how's that bachelor's coming along for ya Mr. Keynes?

>Find someone superior to your boss who is never around
>Figure out your boss' schedule and just leave whenever you want so long as she's not going to be there
>If anyone asks what you're doing say your boss's superior wants you to do something complicated "X needs me to collate the 234-B's on floor eight, I'll probably be out a few hours"
>If your boss calls you out refer her to the superior who is never around
>Or if you really want to be clever refer her to that superior's 'secretary' and a fake email that you yourself run

>>15919566
>Many experts say that automation isn't a threat to low skilled jobs, but I say that it actually is, because reasons
Where in the fuck did it say in the article it WONT be the end of low skilled jobs?

Idiot. Automation is ALREADY beign done, jackass. Have you even been outside your cave? Have you never seen a self checkout machine? Have you never talked to some business and been greeted to a fucking automated robo representative? For instance, when I activated a credit card, I got that, not a person


Don't be a fucking retard and pretend automation isn't going to take away jobs. What in the FUCK do you think automation even is? What do you even think is the fucking purpose to it? It's to cut costs of labor, idiot. Brainlet. Learn to think. You baby boomers are so fucking stupid to think automation won't be taking low skilled jobs WHEN IT IS ALREADY DOING SO AT PRESENT DATE. It will ONLY become more prevalent in the future, not less prevalent.

>>15919580
I deleted it and reposted it to correct spelling, retard. Literally everything is is the exact same :)
What does this have to do with the bachelor's degree??????
What the fuck is that gap in logic? Talk about random as shit.

>>15919625
>>15919612
>The article says it might be the end of low skilled jobs, but it will definitely actually be the end of low skilled jobs, because I went to the grocery store once
Pic related, it's you

>>15913560
what makes you think we don't want to kill ourselves

I've been to jail and working (especially in an open office) was literally a thousand times worse

>>15919580
>deleting your post and reposting it with a spelling correction is retarded
Why do you have down syndrome? What even is that logic? Try making sense, dumbass retard.

>>15913560
That job sounds awesome OP what's your problem

>>15919612
>>15919625
>Because automation is currently being done, it will continue indefinitely in the future
>Because Enron's stock is doing so well, it will continue going up forever
>>15919625
>I corrected the spelling, except it's actually exactly the same
Pic related, it's you

>>15919635
>automation isn't real and won't revolutionize how we see work

Boomers are fucking retards. EVERYTHING WILL ALWAYS BE THE SAME. WORK WILL NEVER CHANGE.
Kek keep being delusional.

>>15919639
>I've been to jail and working (especially in an open office) was literally a thousand times worse

wut

>>15919663
You might find this list useful, sweetie :7)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States

>>15919660
>Because automation is currently being done, it will continue indefinitely in the future
>Because Enron's stock is doing so well, it will continue going up forever

What...the...fuck? LMAO EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS ANON.
That's not even the same thing at all. False equivocation.

Automation = cuts cost of labor. A stock doing well isn't even comparable at all. What the fuck are you smoking? Shit comparison.

You are comparing a business strategy of cutting costs to a stock going up. Think about that. That's like saying "automation won't happen because I didn't get an A in this random ass class".

THAT'S how motherfucking random you sound.

>pic related. It's you
What pic, dumbass? Pic related. It's you

>>15919679
>sweetie
>shitposts a "burn"
Kek. Retard, all you said is automation won't revolutionize shit (funnily enough, the article you cited didn't say it wont happen kek. Try reading your sources. Again, it was stated there is no definite agreement yet, but with that said, obviously businesses WILL automate as it becomes CHEAPER than having an employee).

Think about it, dipshit. When truck driving becomes automated, why the fuck would an employer hire people instead of just having the truck driving work for itself when that would be cheaper? Same with call centers. Same with bookkeeping. Same with other repetitive work.

You're an idiot with no business sense.

>>15919701
>y-y-yur using a logical fallacy because i can't recognize that i'm using a slippery slope argument
Here's a list of logical fallacies for you, Anon. A fallacy is when your arguments are wrong and you don't know what you're talking about, you might not understand the concept.
It might make some good bedtime reading while you're coming down off your adderal binge
http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm

>>15919761
False equivocation, retard:
False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two completely opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.

>>15913560
well if u feel something so bad, check out Telecoin and lite as they can help you to turn your life around....

>>15919779
>i have literally nothing new to add to the discussion
Imagine being this BTFO
Pic related, it's you

>>15919761
You are comparing two idea and saying bevause they are vaguely related, they work the same way. KEK get btfod, dipshit. Try making better comparisons that actually make fucking sense next time. What the FUCK does a stock going up or down have to do with strategies to cut down labor? It makes no fucking sense, idiot.

This retard boomer can't argue and actually thinks automation is not meant to take jobs what that is literally their purpose. Holy shit, what a dumbfuck.

>>15919801
>kisses your booboo to make you feel better
go to bed sweetie :7)

>>15919800
I have nothing new because there's nothing left to add.
I can post what actual AI experts think (people that actually are the ONES creating automation methods) but your dogmatic ass won't care. 99-100% of AI experts could say "yep. Eventually, most to all low skilled jobs will ne automated" and you STILL won't believe it. You're dogmatic as shit.
>pic related
What pic, turd? Kek twice you fucked that up

Just work with your hands, dude. Get into plumbing and make 100k + be around cool right wing leaning males playing with pipes all day long + free work out + sense of accomplishment after work + you can start your own business any time and work solo on your schedule.

>>15919831
>i btfo u!!!
Word salad about automation and underemployment isn't an argument, sweetie :7)
Pic related, it's you

>>15919830
LOOOL weak. You focus on me instead of the argument because you have nothing :)
Get obliterated

Unfortunately I wagecuck today so I'll leave you with this :)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/25/these-workers-face-the-highest-risk-of-losing-their-jobs-to-automation.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.axios.com/artificial-intelligence-automation-jobs-robots-fbca4208-ffea-43c4-9bd3-8102b63caedb.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2019/08/01/predicting-job-automation-ai/amp/

Etc. Why post more?
You wont even click on them

>>15915885
this doublethink gave me a nice kek though
> Hey you nazi bigot, it's a myth, because it's true
just spam some yom kippur, hannukah, diversity, white privilege all over your resume and you are golden

>>15919843
Word salad... yet I posted a fuckton of stats above including automation stats... just... kek.

>>15919936
Yelling about automation isn't an argument
>automation is happening
Yes and? Burden of proof is on you to actually make a coherent point, retard
>working on indigenous people's day
This is how I can tell you earn minimum wage
Pic related, it's you

>>15919946
>i-i-if i stop responding it's because i'm asleep
eternally btfo ;) bye sweetie

>>15919968
This IS the coherent point, you STUPID mother fucker >>15919936

Also, I dont make minimum wage? Are YOU even employed by the way?
>>15919981
I already slept and this thread is up. I enter work in 2 hours but have to get ready. Me not responding to a retard because I get busy =/= I admit defeat lmao. Desperation.

ALSO, DUMBASS. BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON *YOU*

I made the claim. YOU are supposed to show how it's bullshit. The most you've done is post an article that says "no one actually knows yet" while I posted sources that quote actual AI researchers that actually DO know how automation will affect jobs, retarded dumbass. Down sundrome incarnate

>>15919968
I find it funny how you used the term burden of proof wrong kek. Brainlet.

>>15920088
>>15920096
>i don't work minimum wage, i promise!
Prove it
>a bunch of random links are an argument
Wrong
Pic related, it's you :7)

>>15920088
>I have a "job"
Paystub or eternally btfo, neet

>>15920124
Why would I prove something irrelevant to the discussion? :^)

And those "random links" include actual motherfucking quotes from AI researchers THAT WORK ON AUTOMATION YOU RETARD

Biz needs IQ tests to filter these retards out.
>I-Im too afraid to click the link because it will btfo me ;((
>AUTOMATION CANT TAKE JOBS THATS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!! REEEEEE

>>15920138
>pay stub
Na. I don't have to prove that as it's not the highlight to the discussion :)
>being so retarded, they can't even focus on my arguments
Don't change the subject :) stay focused

>>15920148
No one is arguing that automation doesn't take jobs, but you're arguing that it will take much more than is the expert consensus (when I've already demonstrated the consensus is at best divided). The burden of proof is on you, and since you can't do that with over 13 hours of posting in this thread I'm assuming you're conceding to me.
Thanks sweetie!

>>15920157
Also,
>I don't work minimum wage but I don't need to prove a claim I made
Sounds about right for your track record so far :7)

>>15920163
False. The main argument wasn't against automation initself lmfao. Most of the stats were just about how people are doing, retard. How this current system has been a failure as shown by current stats
READ >>15913953
And this has been ongoing.

Secondly, I find it hilarious how you say "when I've already demonstrated the consensus is at best divided" when IM the one who pointed that out while YOU were saying THAT ARTICLE was stating that automation ISN'T a threat. Kek. Now you change your argument :)

Thirdly, those are economists opinions. What I cited includes what AI researchers say and they do in fact agree that basically at minimum about 30% of jobs will be automated by 2030 :)
Eat shit, retard.

>>15920169
Kek why would I post a pic of something irrelevant to the discussion? :) can't stay focused?

Want a pic of my associate's degree too? Eat shit, faggot. I'm not going to play the game of "let's change the subject because you are destroying me hard and this is the only way I can save face!".

>>15913560
Only 35 more year left anon!

>>15920194
And that 30% again was a low estimate.

>>15920194
Oops, it looks like you haven't taken the time to read the helpful material I gave you earlier!
>http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm
What you're doing is called "Moving the Goalposts" where you claim to have made arguments you didn't actually make, and claimed I said things I never actually said.
Reading is hard, but with some practice you will get better at it!
>>15913953
says nothing about automation.
Also note that "I Don't Understand Your Argument" isn't actually an argument and "I Can't Make a Coherent Point" isn't listed on that page either.
Go to work at your minimum wage job and then come back when you can put two words together :)

>>15920202
>associate's degree
For people who weren't good enough to go to real college the first time around :7)

>>15920230
>where you claim to have made arguments you didn't actually make, and claimed I said things I never actually said.
Down syndrome retard. Here is a quote from you "The burden of proof is on you, and since you can't do that with over 13 hours of posting in this thread I'm assuming you're conceding to me."
Those "13 hours" wasn't solely on automation, omega retard. Top fucking kek.
I'm also not "moving shit around". You say something. I've addressed it. Simple :)
I posted sources of what ai researchers themselevs say but you just ignore it like a down syndrome faggot :)

>says nothing about automation.
Exactly my point..... LOOOOOOOL
Read above. I wasn't JUST arguing about automation. I literally just said that holy fuck. Fucking retard.
>Also note that "I Don't Understand Your Argument" isn't actually an argument and "I Can't Make a Coherent Point" isn't listed on that page either.
You aren't making sense
>Go to work at your minimum wage job and then come back when you can put two words together :)
Projecting and changing the subject AGAIN :)

>>15920215
>being an autistic retard on a 4chan thread
>going to bed
>waking up
>continuing to be an autistic retard in the same thread
See you in eight hours wagecuck :7)

>>15920241
It wasn't that, retard. I just didnt want debt. Need 12 more months. I bet if you have a degree, it's some shitty sociology one. You talk big. Are you even a college grad? Are you even employed :) cmon. You want to play the game of changing thw subject to try to gain leverage? Okay. Whats your degree and job :)?

>>15920265
>You say something. I've addressed it.
nope
>I posted sources of what ai researchers themselevs say
I posted studies of automation and you failed to rebut my argument, instead relying on a strawman argument
Also nice spelling, retard
Pic related, it's you

>>15920273
>focusing on me again rather than on my arguments
Stay retarded :)

>>15920277
Investment banking, $500k a year starting
See, I can lie on the internet too!

>>15920284
You don't have any arguments
Statistics aren't arguments
Make your argument in one post, if it's so bulletproof. Otherwise I have to assume you don't have one
>It wasn't that, retard. I just didnt want debt. Need 12 more months.
This literally isn't English

>>15913713
This is the most retarded thing I've read here today, imagine that. You got to work from home 3 days making six figures all paid for by govbucks and you fucking quit? Please tell me you are larping, for the love of god no man can be this much of a drool on himself type of brainlett

>>15920282
Yep. I posted sources and actual quotes from AI researchers along with stats being in the links :)
Fucking lol I bet you are too afraid to click on them.
>I posted studies of automation and you failed to rebut my argument, instead relying on a strawman argument
Quotes from AI researchers isn't a strawman :) learn what fallacies are. First you use burden of proof wrong and now you use strawman wrong :) psuedo intellectual fail.

Also, what you quoted wasn't "bad spelling" either. LOOOL do you even KNOW what spelling is?

You keep using all these words without knowing what they mean.

My short term advice is drugs and alcohol.

My long team advice is get that resume out there

>>15920277
>can't finance an undergraduate degree
This is how I know you're poor. I finished undergrad and starting earning big boy salary right away. You're wagecucking just to make ends meet and spending years burning up potential earnings on opportunity costs. No wonder you're so obsessed with getting automated out of existence, life is actually good when you're not a minimum wage serf :)

>>15920306
Easy. Americans are currently economically fucked and it will only worsen in time at the pace we're going as backed up by AI researchers themselves. There you go :) I just spoonfeed you.

At BEST you can only arhue things might NOT worsen due to automation BUT THE FACT REMAINS MOST ARE CURRENTLY FUCKED so something not "worsening" doesn't automatically make this current situation "good".

>>15920290
.....Lol
This faggot needs to cope about me being employed and having a year left of school for a bachelor's degree. How shit is your life where you need to cope over how mediocre my situation is?

>>15920328
>and it will only worsen in time at the pace we're going as backed up by AI researchers themselves
Except this point relies on your fallacious slippery slope reasoning that automation will continue to replace workers at an accelerated pace, when I have already clearly demonstrated this is ambiguous at best (already posted the link above)
>BUT THE FACT REMAINS MOST ARE CURRENTLY FUCKED
not really, stock markets are doing better than ever, unemployment is at 40 year lows, consumer strength is at an all time high.
You don't get to assume everyone else is doing shitty because you can barely make ends meet working a dead end job trying to get a useless degree from a diploma mill.
Game, set, match.

>>15920306
>This literally isn't English
I got an A and B with the English classes I took. You really think I give a single FUCK over writing "professionally" 24/7?

Btw, this is ad hominem ;)

>>15920320
Yet you don't post what your job is or ypur major ;)
Either way that is also irrelevant to the post but you keep focusing on it :)

Grasping at straws, are we :)?

>>15920364
$500k salary, I work in investment banking, majored in Fucking Your Mom. U mad?

>>15920356
holy mother of cringe

>>15920352
1. And I have already clearly stated AI researchers have a more daunting view on the matter
2.
>not really, stock markets are doing better than ever, unemployment is at 40 year lows, consumer strength is at an all time high.
Nice job ignoring the stats above. As for unemployment being low, that stat is misleading and I'll explain why:
1. Discouraged workers (someone that wants a job, but gave up and hasn't applied in over 4 weeks) are NOT counted as unemployed.

2. People who make HARDSHIP wages ARE counted as employed.

Putting those 2 together = makes the unemployment stat look better/lower than it actually is. It is a lie that fools without critical thinking believe.

Keep drinking thee koolaid though :)

>You don't get to assume everyone else is doing shitty because you can barely make ends meet working a dead end job trying to get a useless degree from a diploma mill.
False :). NT once did I mention MY situation. What I stated were NATION WIDE STATS
>Game, set, match.
Agreed. I win.

>>15920377
(I also got an A and B with the Fucking Your Mom classes I took)

>>15920377
Ya, over your cope. You lying over making it big yet are too afraid to post proof (when YOU are the one trying to make this the "I have a bigger dick"contest) just makes ypu come across as a down syndrome larper that can't focus.

>>15920389
Ooh looks like I'm breaking you and REALLY getting under your skin. Keep seething :)

>>15920387
>2.
2 what, retard? Did your brain just decide to drip out of your ears as you were trying to come up with another bulletpoint? I imagine the stress must have melted your cranium.
>thee
>NT
Also,
>As for unemployment being low, that stat is misleading and I'll explain why:
>I know better than literally every economist and analyst in this country
Didn't manage those A and B in Macro 101, huh?

>>15920419
1. I don't get why you are seething over something so superfluous. Autism

2. Not an argument :)

>>15920401
OK here's my proof buddy

>>15920419
>I know better than literally every economist and analyst in this country
That is false. I am merely HIGHLIGHTING why they are misleading. Holy kek.
Those stats FILTER certain groups of people. Do you not know how filters work? :)

>>15920432
You're right, you haven't made any arguments, I'm glad we agree on this

>>15920438
Why do i get the feeling you don't even have an associates degree let alone a bachelors?

>how the fuck do wagies do this without wanting to kill themselves?
That's my secret, I do want to kms

>>15920448
Except I have but keep coping

>>15920455
>you don't even have an associate's degree
>you don't even have a piece of paper that people who fucked up the first time have to get before they let you into big boy school
There's equivocation for you bud

>>15920468
And I demonstrated that you haven't
>>15920352
You must have missed this post the first time around. I imagine posting in the same thread for 15 hours straight really does a number on your reading comprehension

>>15920470
That's not equivocation. Wtf. Yet again you use a fallacy definition wrong.
>>15920476
Except I've posted various stats you willingly and ignorantly choose to ignore. Well whatever, neet. I actually have to go now so maybe I'll continue to destroy you in my break if this thread is still alive.

Then again, you're a waste of time not actually presenting logical arguments i.e. "I majored in fuck your mom and make
a babillion a yr lololol"

You're a literal child.

>>15920513
>I actually have to go now
>I'm losing the argument so I'm just going to pretend I have a job and leave while I still have some dignity
Bye loser

>>15920513
>acknowledging I'm right about your shitty useless diploma mill toilet paper
Thanks!

>>15913560
this post reeks of Canada

>>15918002
For patent examiners, you start at 55k and go up to 150k along with the ability to work anywhere in the US but you gotta work in the office for 2 years first.

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/545074300'

>>15913560
Lel, I'm a paralegal and my job is basically this - with the addition of me getting screamed at by boomer clients because the boomer attorney I work for refuses to lift a finger (which is actually kind of based)

>>15913560
Lol almost sounds like a former office job I had with the government.

Supervisor acted nice but she'd take advantage of my hard work ethic and was a rude busybody and attempted to pim the blame on me for things she should've done (eg ignoring things that were techinically for her to do) or gave me erroneous info even though I knew how to do it and end up getting in trouble later. Ended up quitting with a fake excuse to HR (no 2 weeks notice, I don't do those anymore). Peak season for work too. Wasn't even blacklisted.

Also older people there who got paid more then me and tattled on each other.
One lady got the job of the retired lady. A job I wanted (it's slightly harder in one regard but easier than what I do and higher pay!). "No experience" even though my job handled the majority of what the job entailed minus a few more higher level things (that are super easy to learn). Lady who sucks at using a pc and messes up her pc often gets it because the manager thought she'd be a great fit with her experience that isnt closely related. They end up training her! In that case I could've gotten the job and been trained. Even after training she'd need help from me (a subordinate in a way) and her trainer. Needed help on how to use her pc as well! She somehow got tattled on a bunch by workers from other offices for not writing well and not understanding her well, verbally. See what I mean about the tattle tells? She had a higher workload than the lady who retired but she seemed to mess up often.

One year in and I usually arrived home fuming from work almost every day mostly cause of the roastie supervisor and a bit cause of some of the others.

>>15914812
DoD contracted engineer (being intentionally vague as to where)

I got it by spending a decade enlisted in the Navy, getting a bunch of certifications and a TS clearance, then using the GI bill to get a bachelors