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I'm fully booked today and need to prepare a paper. But my job is just talking to normies one-on-one while they cope with who they are. I get a sick kick out of it.

T. Clinical psychologist.

>>15836574
i still want to become a rock star, but not the frontman or anything just the bassist or rhythm guitarist, in the background kinda. i keep coping when i look through my massive record collection thinking "oh they didnt make it big until they were in their late 20s" or something like that "ive still got plenty of time". currently 28, havent played an instrument in years

joke's on you, my life may be shitty, but it's because i'm introverted and depressed, not because i'm a wagie

>>15836574

Guaranteed pay rises + management units + 12 weeks of 'holiday' a year.

When I can't be bothered doing my job, I put on a movie.

Teacher life.

>>15836596
>>15836639
Too much honesty in one post.

>>15836702
We're based and university pilled. I got my Doctorate at 29 my 3 main focuses are in group dynamics (for the money), personal development in the digital age (for the reputation/research), and psychoanalysis (practice). People think psychology degree is useless but that's only true depending on what your electorates are.

>>15836574
Imagine being a zoomer wagie

I work 4 days and get 5 - 6 days off

Virgin gf

Going to own a nice house and have children

Keep fapping onto your bellybutton NEET incel lmao

>>15836639
Okay, if you're a psychology nerd, tell me the answer to one of these...

1) Why does happiness exist?
2) Why are humans conscious?

Bet you have the wrong answer for both.

>>15836609
Bands and rock stars are fucking dead lmfao this isn't the 70s-00s

>>15836724
its useful to make money
its useless to see a psychologist past a certain level of intelligence i guess
also, let me be edgy here - its not hard science so all a psychologist cab really do at the end of the day is give you a recommendation based on recommendations other psychologists have given others
todays psycho was a hero in 1915, is what i mean by pseudoscience

>>15836749
lol 120 IQ redditer

>>15836749
1) what do you mean by happy? The emotion or a happy life? Because those are two very different things and its really important to consider your individual value theory in the pursuit of happiness, if you value comfort over work as a way to achieve happiness than your life might need compromise, can you be happy with compromise? And so forth.

>>15836767
Depends on the psychologists personality. How much knowledge they'll pull from is from books, vs from the conversations and assumptions from meetings totally depends on how their openness and conscientiousness.

I do agree it's a soft science I didn't intend to go into hard sciences. I'm more interested in perception and the subjective as it's blossoming into the most interesting dialogue within academics. I couldn't stick to CS too many tests, and not applied.

>>15836828
>how their openness and conscientiousness intersects.
For clarity.

>>15836828

1) Happiness the emotion/feeling/mood. Why does it exist?

>>15836758
dont destroy my dreams zoomer

>>15836574
>Is this what you dreamed your life would be like wagie? Really?
yes it is what I dreamed of, but it's 10 years off schedule...
it was the high quality video training and interviews that completely changed my life.

What about you anon? You hating being a wagie?

>>15836863
Well neurological science suggests that happiness as an "emotion" is derived from "pleasure" which is directly associated with Dopamine in the brain. Pleasure can be caused obviously my external and internal mechanics usually pleasure is at most when all needs are met and there is a distraction or focus (a movie with gf after taking care of the laundry could be an example of a pleasurable experience).

We have the how happiness exists and what causes happiness now we need to figure out why it exists.

Id like to think it's an psychological evolutionary feature meant initially to encourage reproduction (ie reward when you orgasm) this has been thrown around evolutionary psychology groups for a while now.

We started with happiness and ended on orgasms, feeling very Freud today if I were to quote American psychologists.

Had this bookmarked you might like it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3008658/

>>15836863
>Why does it exist?
Do you actually want an answer? Or you just flexing about how 'smart' you are?
I have an answer to both and it's backed up by neuroscience. Only found it this year in fact!

You want it?

>>15836828
I’m a 25 year old gymcel who had wageslaved for a few years as a web dev
Almost used up all my saving because I was so depressed like 2 years ago so I stopped working for a year. I got into school again for Psychology but I couldn’t even imagine the career prospect of it. I’m interested in the subject but I think I just hate working, can’t imagine myself taking up the responsibility to do a serious job waking up every morning to smile at people. I think I only got into school to find happiness and to escape from work.
Sorry for ranting I just clicked into this thread randomly. Anyway I’ve had worse time I’m not too bad now I got into a sport team and it’s a good release.

>>15836748
>Virgin gf
You haven't fucked your girl friend?
Have you at least fucked her mouth?

>>15836724
I think a lot of people think it's useless because it's a bunch of bs. Most people can see that a clinical pschologist can make a shit load of money.

Not trying to offend you but do you ever have ethical dilemas about your chosen field?

But the pschologists that I really take issue with are the ones that they use to say a rapist is fine to be released when any brainlet can tell they haven't changed a bit, but they let them out becsuse some retarded asshole with a degree says he's fine. Just shit like that pisses me off. But i guess that's a different field from you. But still all bs. Sorry just wanted to get that off my chest without having to pay.

>>15836918
>I got into school again for Psychology
learn this 5 min investment

Memory Reconsolidation in a Nutshell
https://youtu.be/cJrfsjT35UE

It'll explain your depression. I can give me more recommendations if you want.

>>15836910
Warm but still off.

>>15836914
I'm flexing. I already have complete answers to both of my questions. Messing with Psychologists is fun when you have their "Holy Grail." I recently broke a Feminist Psychologist in discord. Messed with her head real bad. Good times.

Not really, i'm an opioid addict :D!!

>>15836767
>its useless to see a psychologist
>pseudoscience

do you know about the dodo bird verdict?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_bird_verdict
https://www.coherencetherapy.org/files/Ecker-Psychotherapy's_Mysterious_Efficacy_Ceiling.pdf

TLDR
psycotherapy effect = placebo
this held for 70 years!
not anymore though...

Memory Reconsolidation in a Nutshell
https://youtu.be/cJrfsjT35UE

>>15836944
>I recently broke a Feminist Psychologist in discord
Cerebral narcissism detected.

What physical evidence informs your theories? flexing... is dumb by the way.

>>15836972
Naw. I'm going to sleep. Way late for me. Good thing I'm not a wagie or I'd be the walking dead tomorrow. Enjoy your ignorance. Nighters.

>>15836937
I have a lot of ethical qualms with the field. I find some psychologists are more interested in keeping people happy rather than keeping them in shape. Particularly in the topic of gender disphoria. I know 4chan might not particularly care, but we don't have any science on detransitioning. A lot of hormone medication can make you severely ill, have ever lasting effects, and cause psychological instability. Also chopping off a dick or pulling out a vagina is worse than circumcision and is why 41% choose to not continue after transition. Because they either discovered that they were not actually trans but just autistic, or attracted to gay sex (but is a women) or is a sexual predator (MTF in most cases).

We can work to help people without destroying who they are initially. Which is why I enjoy the field.

Eh, warming me up for my paper writing. Consider it off your chest.

>>15836944
S-sorry I just want to ask before we continue, do you happen to be a underage faggot? I'm getting underage faggot vibes.

>>15836918
Those time frames are really unfortunate Anon. Responsibilities are more achievable if you understand why you are holding yourself to them. Maybe assess your value theory, you might be surprised to discover you'd be happy working a seasonal job and just making by the rest of the year.

As I said to other Anon, I need to write a paper so I'm happy to banter this stuff and prepare the mood.

>>15836748
Trully based... i miss my virgin gf...

>>15836985
>Enjoy your ignorance.
Says the anon with no physical evidence...

>>15836609
>i still want to become a rock star,
>currently 28, havent played an instrument in years

You just want validation then?
I used to have this but for big business success then I learned about the everyday lives of really successful businessmen and that helped humanize them.I thought life would become the equivalent of a rap video in my subconscious now I see I just wanted more validation and excitement.

You just waging right now?

>>15836994
>As I said to other Anon, I need to write a paper so I'm happy to banter this stuff and prepare the mood.

Let's banter anon
What is your paper about?

>>15836748
So an 80 IQ Christian

>>15837045
yeah still waging. i guess you could say deep down ive always craved validation, think about it every day, i just havent told anyone.

honestly if i could just work a job that i loved it would be great

>>15837052
I guess you scared him away

>>15837052
Might as well.

I recently learned about tulpamancy, and that started a series of thoughts in regards to psychological development in the digital age.
>is tulpamancy an extreme from of natural psychological behavior on the internet.
Which lead to me wondering
>Do people act differently than they do online
>Are people acting out themselves or an "avatar" online.
I think I can even model a real world test to see different behavior and personality traits online vs offline. Could measure degrees of disassociation perhaps too as people claim to have emotional disassociation when bullied online.

Most people claim to be "themselves" yet, live very curated well crafted lives online. There isn't much acknowledgement of it either and what I initially thought was just people having fun and shitposting starts to break down with how hard people double down when drama occures online.

Thoughts? This is something I hope I can expand into Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idol's, as I honestly believe that's where we are now. With our eyes held tight shut. Mm.

>>15836574
I actually really love my job, studying and caring for snakes is fucking rad!

>>15837094
>honestly if i could just work a job that i loved it would be great
your probably too creative for your existing work.
maybe time for a change?

I do coding I initially wanted to do fashion design I had some success but couldn't make it work economically. I love coding and trading cause there is no right answer and I can come up with my own solution, which is what I loved about fashion.

>ive always craved validation, think about it every day
This is probably a way for your mind to offset what is know as 'attachment' trauma.

TLDR
in your brain you have stored a prediction that you need more attention to survive.

I highly recommend watching this
Memory Reconsolidation in a Nutshell
https://youtu.be/cJrfsjT35UE

It's a deep topic but it's easily the most effective information I have ever found at improving my life.

>>15837132
Narratives are almost becoming cults of their own. I'm not even sure if it'll be idols as you might think in your mind.

>>15837106
>I guess you scared him away
>>15837132
guess not?
feel free to join in.

>>15836574
Well for like 10 years I have been making music in Ableton, mostly electronic music.
I wanted to become music producer, Few years ago I had no gear. Shitty pc, no studio monitors, or audio interface. I college to work full time and buy music gear and build my own home studio. All my friends were telling me that my music is great and I shouldnt stop making it. I was motivated as fuck and I had a lot of inspiration. After many years I bought all this expensive studio stuff and suddenly all my motivation to produce music faded away. I was not able to finish a project. Instead of that I was creating new one. Result of that is I have over 500 unfinished songs... Right now I didnt produce anything in like 3 months. I becomed a normie. Im a waggie now. All dreams faded away. I dont know if I should sell that gear or not. FML lads...

>>15837166
Don't sell it, just put it away for a rainy day
There's always rainy days, anon
You will regret getting rid of it

>>15837132
Sounds like a new version of the old multiple personality disorder. Is this considered a disorder now too?

>>15836921
I have. She was a virgin before me

>>15836939
Not the anon you were talking to but I'd like to know more

>>15837236
It has similarities. But I talked to a lot of these people and it seems the most common trend is to have a "mind" self and a physical self. Unlike multiple personality disorder which can form into many different splits.

Also tulpamancy requires an active effort to believe and visualize a narrative. People actually get into fights online because they imagined another tuplamancer do something to them even if that tuplamancer didn't think up those things at all. It's fascinating because of how crafted their projections can be, the only way they can really share this is through text, and the forcing of events done by other tuplas to others is almost narrative hacking and a social cult.

>>15837132
>tulpamancy
>is tulpamancy an extreme from of natural psychological behavior on the internet.
This term is new for me
does "magical creatures or imaginary friends" accurately describe what you are referring to?

Going to the actual pathways in the brain has been the biggest improvement for my prediction of human behavior.

Why and How Consciousness Arises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7WF5gzPG1k

Mark Solms currently has 9890 citations
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=vD4p8rQAAAAJ&hl=en

His work TLDR
Our behaviors are pattern recognition stimulus response patterns that are built on top of ancient pathways.
So using his evidence to inform my theories on your questions.
>Do people act differently than they do online

Yes our desired behavior doesn't match our primitive brains desires.
I believe the existence of modules in the brain, personality sub types or 'schemas' is accepted in the field and verified with SPECT brain scan data?

>Are people acting out themselves or an "avatar" online.

avatars are just a personality schemas expressed with less restrictions.

>what I initially thought was just people having fun and shitposting starts to break down with how hard people double down when drama occures online.

people have died for imaginary things a lot throughout history. Think holy wars. So symbolic models trigger the rage pathway.

I see humans as story operated chemical state machines.

I love this man's model of perception

Free energy principle, predictive coding and implications for neuropsychiatric disease- Karl Friston
https://vimeo.com/272934696

I found the discussion below helpful in understanding pathological states that occur when building models of reality.

BPD (Borderline), Psychosis, Internal Objects, External Objects (Grannon-Vaknin Convo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZn_txulwTw

Do you aim to trigger memory reconsoldation on your clients?

>>15837132

not that guy, but cool topic. the difference in behavior probably comes from many factors that are part of highly constrained interaction.

maybe part of the reason peoples lives seem more curated and well crafted online is because people have more time to stop and think of their reaction.

>>15837300
>Not the anon you were talking to but I'd like to know more
The video linked in the post concisely explains the concepts please watch.
TLDR
A specific type of neuro-plasticity when triggered updates emotional stimulus response patterns stored in the brain that are otherwise locked for life!
This technique is, unlike most psychotherapy backed by 100's of laboratory experiments in animals and humans.

got any specific questions? I can give you more videos and audios if you want.

>>15837332
I don't believe in multiple personality and I don't believe in this new thing. people wonder if they are normal or crazy, psychologists decide they fit in some category and then they convince others that they also fit into that box. It's a total mind fuck. People have imaginations, I don't know if other animals do too. But sometimes if you're really smart, like I guess you are, then you study and see patterns and overcomplicate things.

That's what it looks like to me. And I am fortunate to be a brainlet so I don't see all the 'interesting' shit that you see.

>>15837166
>Right now I didnt produce anything in like 3 months. I becomed a normie. Im a waggie now. All dreams faded away. I dont know if I should sell that gear or not. FML lads...
I wouldn't sell unless you need the money.
Since it's a motivation thing you probably just need to update the end emotional goal of the music production. It was originally probably being rich, famous and surrounded by women etc.

Maybe go into the feelings you had in the beginning. Then imagine a new future with music in it just in a different way. You can still have all the old stuff too.

Also look into music + AI you could rekindle your passion by pouring AI on top of it. https://ai.google/research/teams/brain/magenta/

>>15837254
>I have. She was a virgin before me
The definition of based!

>>15837353
Good post Anon. Your ability to relate concepts is appreciated. I'll do some reading on your keywords.

Memory reconsoldation is a tool I wouldn't say it's a hammer, so I wouldn't say it's the aim. But rather something that can come out of repeated sessions. I don't always have a luxury of meeting clients often, sometimes I meet clients and they'll have a completely different mindset from when I last had saw them. So hammering them with different angles can be pointless.

>>15837427
Friend I think you misconstrue the intentions here. Tulpamancy isn't a condition rather it's a sexual/imagination exercise. I'd only say it becomes a issue if there's an expressed detriment to their life.

And to ask you a question, what does your statement say about people who are suffering? Why do in some cases people improve mentally with a diagnosis? I'm often against medication to some degrees because it might not actually change the issue. Other times medication can help, say mood stabilizer for people with anger issues or sudden crying.

>>15837332
>People actually get into fights online because they imagined another tuplamancer do something to them even if that tuplamancer didn't think up those things at all. It's fascinating because of how crafted their projections can be

Couldn't a tuplamancer be the equivalent of a Greek goddess like Fortuna?
When your crypto goes up Fortuna favors me!
Now it's Asuka favors me with her prediction?

This type of thing will become very interesting as AI becomes better and starts having a personality.

>>15837500
I may have sounded angry because I swore, but I'm not.

It is possible that people improve after a diagnosis because they need help or support in some way. Doesn't mean that the diagnosis caused the improvement. Correlation doesn't prove causation, right?

And I don't understand this thing you are studying. Seems to me to be people acting wierd. Which is actually kinda normal. Humans have always done wierd shit and will continue to do wierd shit in the future. Some will think wierd shit but not actually do it but some are stupid enough to think they can do wierd shit and people won't think that's fucking wierd. Some people are better at convincing themselves and others, that's why we have wierdo cults..... you get the picture.

I'm not angry or anything, I'm just synical

>>15837500
>Good post Anon. Your ability to relate concepts is appreciated. I'll do some reading on your keywords.

Glad I could add value.
One final one. This goes in depth on the peptide pathways that trigger nervous system responses.
Mark Solms, PhD: The Animal Within Us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfqVIG9bejU

>I don't always have a luxury of meeting clients often, sometimes I meet clients and they'll have a completely different mindset from when I last had saw them.

I've had very good results applying Coherence therapy to myself. One 'session' on myself and stuff that had been troubling me for decades just melted away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV3_RYfLhZo
It's the most powerful technique I found for an acute problem. Could be a useful tool for you as well.

Hopefully your experiment discovers something helpful to man kind.
The psychological principles of shitposting... would certainly increase the lolz per thread

>>15836616
> i'm introverted and depressed,
>not a wagie
Oh anon, if only there was a way to find out what is wrong with you...
It's not like these two things are connected in any way, right?
Being a neet is just a lifestyle choice as acceptable as any other, right?
You do have a bright future in front of you after all, right?

>>15837591
>Doesn't mean that the diagnosis caused the improvement
>Correlation doesn't prove causation, right?

Nothing is ever proven, confidence of the prediction is simply increased.
Also the treatment would cause the improvement not the diagnosis.
The document below contains a summary of the experiments that gave me confidence to apply specific treatments repeatedly.
http://www.iaan.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/IJNPT_Vol6_issue1.pdf

>I'm not angry or anything, I'm just synical
About life as a whole or the diagnosis a psychologist gives?

>>15836596
I'm a psych major who ended up working in an unrelated field and this makes me want to go back to school. you just have a masters or a PhD?

>>15837591
Right, it doesn't but if the person is coming to you feeling they have a unique problem that can not be solved and you eventually assure them that what they are actually dealing with is something shared amongst a minority can be weight lifting and perspective changing. Hearing the diagnosis hell even if it's a misdiagnosis can have immediate changes to the person's outlook.

It is, though saying it's just weird creates a dangerous dichotomy where you have normal on one side and weird/mental on the other. We had that before Carl Jung mostly. Carl Jung taught us to "believe" in the mentals experience to help them.

So rather than saying it's weird I'm asking what are they doing, what they get out of it, etc etc and how that reflects in people not exerting those extremes.

>>15837611
I can absolutely see how someone with strong self-awareness and knowledge of psychological principals would benefit from a harsh technique like this. Its essentially programming for the suggestive.

>>15837644
Probably life as a whole, if I'm being honest.

But I have seen people use a diagnosis for their own gain, and I've seen offenders say that they've changed and manipulate the fuck out of psychologists. That is what irritates me. Sex offenders, real sick fucks, and psychologists just don't see what this individual has done. It blows my mind, to be frank. That's where I'm coming from. Does that make sense to you why I have a hard time believing all this stuff when people have incentives to lie and that fucks up the scientific results.

>>15837698
>I can absolutely see how someone with strong self-awareness and knowledge of psychological principals would benefit from a harsh technique like this. Its essentially programming for the suggestive.

Coherence therapy was created by an ex theoretical physicist and his wife by doing ACTUAL observations of clients not theorizing. He was influenced by Jung. You may like the origin story. Considering EMDR was discovered by accident and most psychotherapy when tested in randomized controlled trials has the same efficacy as placebo...Coherence therapy was a God send to me.

I lied I guess, this is the final link, could prove to be the most interesting to you.
Bruce Ecker on Memory Reconsolidation in Psychotherapy: Effective Unlocking of the Emotional Brain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Iu6w7na8k

>>15837698
most people who worry if they are wierd, I'm sure they are within normal. for example, I really don't care if someone wants to dry hump their exhaust pipe, but they may worry are they crazy, I would say that this person doesn't need a diagnosis. Everyones wierd which makes it normal to be wierd to a certain extent. If I sat down with Yung I may be more accepting of behaviours that he thought certifiable. But there are certain behaviours that should never be done in my opinion. I have my own moral code that I measure people with. I wouldn't tell someone that thought they were nuts, but I would think it.

I'm being honest here, because I can. I hope that clears things up. Probably not because I think rambled a bit.

>>15837700
>Does that make sense to you why I have a hard time believing all this stuff when people have incentives to lie and that fucks up the scientific results.
100% makes sense

You'd love learning about why Freud suppressed finding about childhood sexual abuse he was discovering.
Dr. Judith Herman: Psychiatrist, Author, Incest & Trauma Expert
https://youtu.be/6GnvCA4Bs7M?t=698

I recommend learning about the topic as a whole. There is a lot of fraud. It's essentially like the food pyramid. The whole field says one thing and reality is different.

There are good theories backed by evidence and good practitioners but they are fighting a corrupted system. That's like most things just look at the USA health care system! Or the financial system.

You ever tried any therapy techniques?

>>15837863
I wish you all luck fren.

I have heard about Freud who at first believed claims of incest and then changed his mind and debeloped the theory of oedopus and electra complex. Sometimes people are so smart they can make up a whole theory to account for something basic but he just didn't want to accept. That's what I got from reading about that.

I've read about different techniques, like I say I'm dubious. And a lot of it doesn't make sense to me. I actually have enjoyed posting on here. I do enjoy 4chan because I can say what I want. I guess this is the therapy that I need. Anyway g2g. So wish all wagies the best, even you psychologists on here.

>>15837154
not that anon but thanks for the link fren, this seems like something I really needed

>>15838021
>I do enjoy 4chan because I can say what I want. I guess this is the therapy that I need.
Farwell anon glad you had a good time, I did as well.

>>15838037
>thanks for the link fren, this seems like something I really needed
Checkout the other links I've posted on this thread, there's more info on how to apply the healing principles to yourself.

If you've got any questions let me know I was about to go.

>>15836574

I cant wait for those threads from depressive Zoomers who could have be a YouTuber or Streamer but instead are cleaning toilets or ended up in a dead end Job at McWagie earning my Dividend LEL
Prepping my popcorn already

>>15836574
anyone conplaining about office jobs is spoiled as fuck. Try working manual labor

>>15836749
1) because the body produces dopamine and similar compounds
2) because natural selection selected for the set of mutations we refer to as “human”.

>>15839205
All jobs are shit. We work far too many hours for far too little pay. You can conjure up all those /pol/ graphs about productivity vs wages. You can also look at how people said "computers will mean we only work 2-3 days a week!" and then compare that to the sheer volume of tasks we're expected to do now. The mentality of hard work paying off has become invalid and that disillusionment has turned jobs into little more than contractual slavery.