/biz/ - Business & Finance

Would you be willing to share the losses when things go wrong or are you only a socialist when it comes to sharing the value of labor?

im in the 4%, fuck niggers and fuck you.

Inequality is just how humans evolutioned. Niggers have to die for the alphas to procreate. Is just how it is. Capitalism is just a reflection on darwinism on real life.

>>15800085
I lost 98% of my networth trading shitcoins.

>>15800069
Fuck off, commie shit smear

>>15800095
This. Feelsgood to be on the top. I dont give a single fuck about anyone of you. In fact i get joy reading your misery and pink wojaks.

>>15800069
It's much better in socialist utopias where 99% of the population is equally poor (the 1% being the nomeklatura to which pathetic commie losers think they should belong to).

>>15800085

Well even if a citizen doesn’t invest in a company they still bail them out via corporate welfare.

>>15800099
well if you fell for the coin gambling meme then you deserved it

>>15800095

Damn I never knew Paris Hilton was at the top of the evolutionary ladder

>>15800134
It wasn't a question.

capitalism really is just the way humans have evolved to operate. I'm only responsible for taking care of myself and my immediate family, everyone else is on their own. I can't expand my circle to include everyone in the country/world and still take care of my family. that's not how it works. there's too many fuck ups out there to take care of. the burden of their failed life is on them and their family....not me and mine.

>>15800141
you didn't realize everyone wanted to fuck her anon?

>>15800069
>socialists aren't slaves

>>15800069
Yeah historically communism and socialism proved way better than capitalism.
Fucking KYS larpie

>>15800069
LMAO. What is this, babies first day on the internet?

If one uderstands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead it becomes the logical, even the perfect tool of the power-seeking megalomaniacs." He reveals, "Socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite.

>>15800069
>lol my job after the revolution? I would be the People's Commisar of Genderqueer-Demifluid Economic Development and I would get to live in an exclusive government luxury compound since my labor is inherently more valuable than icky stuff like janitors and plumbers. Why do you ask?

zero self awareness, you've already turned a meaningless shitpost into WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS

>Thinks human labor has massive value in a world of robots and automation

>>15800069
I defend this because I hate the literal parasites who live off my tax money through socialism

>>15800210
Gay strawman arguments belong on plebbit bro

>>15800069
>drinking alcohol
well, now i know why "you are probably here" is at the bottom

>>15800746
>I defend this because I hate the literal parasites who live off my tax money through socialism

How come your kind never goes after rich parasites who take your tax money?

>>15800757
This is not a strawman, you can literally find threads on plebbit where the communists say what kind of jobs they would have after the revolution, like being a hairdresser or member in government. Without actually knowing that being the useful idiots that they are, they would actually just get murdered when their use has expired

>>15800141
luck is a factor literally everywhere. from love life to acaddmia. there are lots of people with undeserved wealth, but it works on the large scale.
plus a fool and their money...

>>15800776
who exactly? bernie sanders?

I believe in socialism for the NEET ruling class and our melanin brothers

>>15800069
They are retards who think the only other system is communism.

I bet you get tons of people calling you a commie in this thread

>>15800130
This.

This >>15800085 is such a stale argument. Has nothing to do with the USA of the past 30 years

>>15800095
im a black man in the 1% typing this message on federated 5G, three stories off the ground.
suck my dick, poor fag.

>>15800069
what you describe is communism, and capitalism is the opposite
the proof of this can be demonstrated in the simple fact that true free market capitalism, as a result of allowing you to freely exercise your natural rights while not necessitating that you provide any particular goods or services to anyone or face consequences at the hands of authority (as communism does), allows you to freely disassociate from people that you want nothing to do with while allowing you to do what you want with and on your own property

i find it sickening how you're capable of acknowledging that being wealthy does not necessarily make someone better than someone that isn't wealthy, but simultaneously are incapable of realizing that someone gaining wealth through voluntary trade and agreements between themselves and consenting parties is not only *not evil*, but is in fact possibly the most fair system ever devised in the entire history of the world, and that any money traded strictly within these parameters IS in fact a valid unit of measurement for how good someone is for society

tl;dr - communists can't into basic logic

at the end of the day, the only people who want to live in a socialist society are the one who want to be taken care of. aka, the weak. people who aren't able to take care of themselves. nobody's out there like
>damn, had a great week but I made more money than I absolutely needed to cover my expenses. I'll just take what I need and will give the rest to everyone else to distribute amongst themselves evenly.
really, the only people who like this kind of idea are the ones who want to be distributed too. it's no wonder this kind of system breaks down rapidly in brutal ways.

>>15800069
capitalism is the worst form of economy...

..except for all the other ones. Bitch all you want about it but capitalist countries crush all others on practically every metric. Name me a non capitalist country that you'd like to move to. that's not a coincidence

yes on one hand capitalism creates wealth inequality. It also is responsible for everything you take for granted including the phone or computer you're using to bitch about it right now. In addition, I'd bet OP is a capitalist in actions but not in words. He has the same values as the rest of us and suffers the same faults and enjoys the same protections and privileges as the rest of us living in a Christian Capitalist culture. I'll take the bad of inequality along with the good of the bounty and freedom this culture allows

>>15800069
My primary concern is the destruction of central authority. Whether capitalism or socialism emerges from the absence of authority is of no concern to me - all that matters is I have complete freedom, liberty and privacy.

>>15800938
You really have to empathize better with millenials. I don’t think you get it. The reason people are pushing socialism is income inequality is worse than it was in the gilded age this is necessarily bad you can’t argue that its good and as a result they’ll be a debt slave forever never being able to buy land really which has inflated insanely. The problem is if we just deported all illegals most of these problems would solve themselves, but that conflicts with their liberal ideology lmao.

>>15800963
>It also is responsible for everything you take for granted including the phone or computer you're using to bitch about it right now.
This is such a stale argument. If you knew anything about history we basically owe all of our technology to philosophers who were just interested in how the world worked. I think its a disservice to credit an economic ideology. Sure you get refinement with competitive forces which is a good thing but to pretend like antennas and ICs wouldn’t exist is silly.

>>15800998
I understand income inequality, I don't understand shit like taking out massive student loans to float around some campus for a few years and then wanting politicians to wave your personal debt because it feels to hard to address yourself.

I'm a millenial homeowner btw. we exist in large numbers. you just hear the complainers more often feeling bad about muh never be able to buy land. there's a reason they can't....their debt to income ratio is fucked because they've been stupid, not because they inherited it.

>>15800069
Ok man change it then

>>15800069
If you hate the system so much why don't you go make money?

>>15801103
>>15801118
wagies seething

>>15801043
explain the explosion of innovation and higher education in 1st world (capitalist christian culture) countries for me then. 1st world owns over 90% of worldwide innovation especially the sophisticated kind like tech

>>15800069
Stefan makes a lot of good points in this. Capitalism isn't perfect, but at least if you create something brilliant then you have intellectual property rights. Even this is abused heavily, but you haven't proposed an alternative that would lessen this abuse from happening. Also, I don't want to be forced to share the items in my house with the 'less fortunate', which is precisely what would happen as soon as this system is overthrown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsIouGO94Jw

>>15800085
Taxpayers always disproportionly share the losses. 10 % net worth loss to a middle-class citized might mean he can no longer afford the house he's living in. 10 % Net worth loss to a rich guy means he can no longer use that private jet to go fuck his side-bitch in Monaco

>>15800152
voicing how unpleasent you are is really not theory.

>>15800179
prove it without being a boomer and referencing soviet union

>>15800930
it's not a matter of logic, what you are defending is the subjective element of capitalism, such as being able to quote 'do what you want with and on your own property' when everyone in reality knows this isn't what capitalism is and that this subjectivity produces hedonism and unnatural hierarchy

>>15801086
how do i get land when its like 1k per acre here and highly unavailable?

>>15801240

This whole society is just a dictatorship of the wealthy. We do whatever people with money say.

>>15801252
>>15801258
>>15801280
>>15801286
>>15801292

ok you guys seem to know the holes in others logic or think you do at least.

Provide a counterargument if you can:

What country is doing better than capitalist countries? Would you like to move there?

What specific economy do you endorse as an alternative?

I dare you to make an articulate argument instead of whining. Please enlightenment us

>>15800069
wow so deep bro have never thought about it that way man why dont we just like share everything and give everyone stuff so no one is poor bro

Love those salty dumbshits on /biz/ that are horrible traders and try to shill socialism beacuse they're poor,dumb and have no idea how to make money.

>>15801365

>bad traders who want socialism to cover their losses

You mean like most businesses? Does 2008 ring a bell?

>>15800085
>implying
The basis of jewish capitalism is to privatize the gains and socialize the losses. This is why we are in this awful situation.

>>15800069
rich people are better. 80% of millionaires are self made. capitalism made that happen. socialist are weak cucks who need things handed to them. they deserve a helicopter ride

to be in the top 10% in the world, you only need a $95K net worth. Thats easily attainable in the US which is why the US is the greatest economy in the world thanks to capitalism. corporatism and socialism style issues creep in, but it still better than the other bullshit

>>15801472
good goy

>>15801472

>rich people are better

Trickle down indoctrination taken to its logical conclusion. Do you let millionaires fuck your wife too?

>>15801497
well, seeing as I'm worth about $500K and will be a millionaire in the next 7 years and I don't have a wife because women are money sinks...no

stay mad poorfags

>>15801286
same way everyone else did retard. if you can't afford it outright you finance it. your problem though is nobody wants to lend to you if you're a fuck up. why should they? would you lend money to someone you didn't think could pay you back? stop being a fuck up.

>>15800069
socialists are slaves

>>15801472
you actual fucking retard. look where 10% puts you on the beer. not even a third of the way up. if you just entered the top ten percent, congratulations! you and everyone below you combined do not have a third of the total wealth.

>>15801506
>he doesn't know about the credit crunch happening right as we speak

>>15801413
It's funny watching you fags try to defend this shit with a poor understanding of the way the world actually works. you too can get lenders to cover your losses via credit if they trust you'll be able to pay them back. that's what 2008 was all about. US gov stepped in as a lender and made a significant ROI on that crisis once the debts were paid back.

>>15800069
What system do you think let's you get richer? Because communism makes that illegal.

>>15801506

Wow so you dollar cost averaged into an index fund? Truly the master race.

>>15801543

>calls other people stupid but doesn’t know where the government gets its money from

>>15800069
In communism/fascism you’re just a slave to the government so that they can grow even more through your labor. It’s quite literally parasitism.

I can’t understand why anyone would ever defend this. It’s sickening how bootlickers literally think other people are better human beings than them. If they could worship them, thy would.

kek

>>15801196
>>15801338

Answer me lefties. Unless all you can do is whine whine whine

>>15801338
An economy where all human authority is destroyed and we live under utopian socialism ruled by an infallible, time-traveling artificial intelligence

>>15801672

>capitalist Christian culture

Lol go back to Prager U if you unironically think Christianity endorses the greed and cruelty of capitalism

>Whatsoever you did for the billionaires, you did for me

>>15801693
there you go again whining

where's the alternative. Shouldn't be hard smart guy. If I'm so wrong what is your specific alternative to capitalism?

>>15801713

Now you’re just backpedaling because you got BTFO because you’re a Boomer moron who think Jesus invented margin trading.

>>15801540
i'm know I'm going to have an unrealized loss of around 50% soon. I'll just continue to buy the down swing, buy the upswing and come out even better.

also most of my stocks are in consumer defensive industries, so things that do pretty well during recessions and have large enough cash holdings and competitive moats to outlast a recession. and if i'm cash strapped I can just take off my DRIP and i'll have enough money for paying nearly all my bills

don't worry lad, i'll be fine. how will you be?

>>15800069
This...adds to 101% anon.

>>15800069
If you are on the right half of the bell curve, capitalism is dope. Stop being a brainlet and buy in.

>inb4 “uh uh you need a gajillion dollars to be a capitalist”

I can buy stocks and real estate from my phone. Stop making excuses.

>>15801752

>has 10k in a 401k
>identifies with the billionaire class

Why are conservatives so stupid?

>>15801725
1st world means christian capitalist. That is the value system and economy of USA, most of europe, canada, etc who are kicking ass compared to the rest of the world.

I've made my case. You attacked it based on feelings and name calling etc. Fine, some points you have made are valid.

now, again, what is the plan? what is your specific alternative to capitalism? and what evidence do you have that your alternative is valid? because I don't think you do

I'm really happy to see that communism/socialism is dying out...
this slavery system couldn't exist any longer...humans needs freedom, that's what socialist can't understand...

>>15801787
Yeah bro, the threshold for being a %1 is totally a billion dollars. See, that’s why your poor, because you compare yourself with the extremes instead of looking at what the average is doing. The vast majority of millionaires make it off nickel ante bullshit like being a plumbing contractor or owning a couple liquor stores. You are an ignorant pussy who doesn’t know how to use leverage.

>>15801791
>christian capitalist
this is your brain on jewish amerilardism

I'd rather focus on playing the game than whining like a bitch about the rules being unfair.

>>15801791
Not him, but capitalism with a limit should work. Say for example, after 10 millions annual income you get taxed 100%
But of course it's not gonna work because the ultra-rich are the ones that run the show

>>15801839

In America threshold for 1% is 10mil networth.

Just get a 401k bro

>>15801868
>Say for example, after 10 millions annual income you get taxed 100%
nah i'll just leave

>>15801847

Change the rules

>>15801833

Yeah being dependent on the rich to invest and run the economy. Freedom!

>>15801841
another petty insult

leftists really ARE all weak bitches who whine all day with no practical solution to anything.

Challenge stands. make a cohesive argument to >>15801338

or you are checkmated. you have to propose a counter solution or you have no argument

>>15800757
Fucking BASED chapo trap house poster

>>15801280
"everyone living in reality knows this thing" isn't an argument
if you're trying to tell me that capitalism isn't the correct term for what i'm talking about, then you're just arguing semantics at that point
the fact of the matter is, what i'm talking about is 100% totally unbridled capitalism
it is because of the individualist principles of capitalism that it, as a system, can be used to most directly address the fact that nature is the one party that is constantly applying force *everywhere* and that to keep other people beholden to you and your political party by force introduces the (rather cruel) inefficiency of having the people who are most able to address the problems nature brings them at the mercy of the government's decision to recognize and address these problems in the manner of and at the pace of government, while the people who aren't able to do any of this stuff just don't give a shit anyway and get wasted and party
because they don't care

because, in the end, the only thing that regulation does is bring people down to the level of the lowest common denominator

the thing that most communists or socialists that AREN'T inherently bad people are actually looking for—the answer to the problem of greed and corruption that they recognize—is freedom of disassociation. the ability to separate yourself economically from shitty people who treat themselves and their children and everything their family owns like shit, treat others like shit, spend their money like shit and incentivize shitty business practices, and perform shitty work. imagine what having no minimum wage laws would do to these people.

nobody is assigned a role in a single national hierarchy—you have to earn each and every thing that you want
most importantly, you get what you earn—and because the most productive are free to produce goods how they want to, there's tons of variety and competition in the marketplace, and so goods are cheap and earning your living is very easy

>>15801791

Looks like we got a real live Boomer. You probably think Israel is your greatest ally too lol

>>15801880

Who says you’re leaving?

>>15801891
>Who says you’re leaving?
you're not taxing 100% of my income, i'll just renounce my citizenship and take my money elsewhere

>>15800880
>not OP here but everybody who disagrees with socialism is a reactionary porkie who will get shot in the back of the head come the revolution.

>>15801909
>greetings fellow 4channer

>>15801909
>greetings fellow 4channeler.

>>15801444
I concur with everyone who has made this basic point. But isn't it more rational, more productive, and more conducive to the way humans actually behave, to privatize both loss and gain? I am saying that I don't think the answer to this sort of caesarist-corportist paradigm we have, is socialism.

>>15801924
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>>15801924
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>15801874
That’s a bullshit lie. Half a mil gross yearly income puts you in the 1%. Being a dentist will get you there.

>>15801903

>is too dumb to understand marginal tax rates

You think we’ll let you leave?

>>15801945
what was it

>>15801947
>You think we’ll let you leave?
the fuck does that even mean? you'll prevent me from leaving the same way you you confiscate private property, mouthful of lead

>>15801882
>Yeah being dependent on the rich to invest and run the economy. Freedom!
are you under aged? it's better to have a choice between having a career and be able to live independently, than having to obey a government made up of corruptible humans with an army that controls what you do. dangerous kid, listen more to your teacher.

>>15801955
A seething retard getting btfo

>>15801946

It’s literally not. I said networth, not income.

>>15801903
Nobody reasonably need to earn more than 10 millions a year though, thats my point. If as the CEO of your company you made 15 millions, 5 millions should be distributed to your employees as bonus

>>15801955
>>/biz/thread/S15800069#p15801924
i posted it
it's >>15801929, but slightly less memey

>>15801868
they tried that in England in the 1960's and as >>15801880
points out, anyone earning huge amounts of money just left the country and moved their investments around to avoid taxes or simply moved their companies elseware. It didn't work. Under Harold Wilson in the UK.

>socialism criticism of capitalism: "you just want to live off of someone else's labor"
>capitalism criticism of socialism:
"you just want to live off of someone else's labor"
10000 IQ thread guys

>>15801573
I'm well aware, but that's not the topic of the thread. you think the origins of money in a socialist society ends up being any different?

>>15801969
>obody reasonably need to earn more than 10 millions a year though
AH BLOO BLOO AH BLOO BLOO FUCK WHY AM I NOT RICH
i'll just peace out of this shithole, fuck your tax and fuck you

>>15800069
If you think socialism works then go make your own collectivist business instead of bitching about others

>>15801965
wait what? how?
i thought you were just a newfag that didn't know what greentext was for

>>15801990
the 2019 american dream is to get rich enough to make it worth evading taxes

>>15801967
Net worth is an erroneous metric because you only max it out at the end of your career.

Comparing the net worth of a 30 yo to a 65 yo doesn’t mean anything.

>>15801886
It's funny because you think you have an understanding of the issues but really you sound like a dumb Boomer that needs to shut the fuck up. Die mad lol

>>15801882
kek. this is why nobody takes you seriously.
you really expect the rest of society to change the rules because the game is too hard for you. holy shit....you're going to be a loser no matter what game we're playing.

>>15801947
>the rich are the most unequivocally powerful class of citizens and stack the deck again poor wittle PoC and marginalized people also they're the only reason the otherwise perfect USSR failed
>You think we’ll let you leave?

>>15801999
>I'll have you know that I've been here all summer!
Wtf I am now prepared to seize the means of production and surrender my rights to property and enterprise to a handful of 19 year olds with polisci degrees. I have been btfo. It's over.

>>15801472
>socialist are weak cucks who need things handed to them
Unironically, yes. If they weren't weak little faggots, they wouldn't need socialism. I think if we killed all socialists, the world would be a better place. Because you'd also be killing all the poor people and most of the criminals.

>>15801488
>>15801497
>>15801538
Jesus christ, just looking at you retards seethe so much makes capitalism look that much more attractive.

>>15801886
Jesus keep repeating money is the basis of ALL human sins and degeneracy, the only time in his life he displayed violence was to oust the (((merchants))) from the temple,how could christian capitalism exist??
>How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
>t. Jesus

Actually Satan himself is an allegory for jewish banksters. When Solomon count his money after every yearly taxes he get 666 talents (50kg bars) every time. This 666 number is found only 2 times in the bible : the gold of Solomon and St John telling us what the angel Michael told him about the numbe of the Beast and Scarlet, whore of Babylon in the Revelations.
Jewish money = Satanism
Jewish banksters = Synagogue of Satan
>I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you
>Revelations 3:9 to the church of Philadelphia

>>15801787
>has zero dollars
>tries to tell other people what to do with their money

>>15801963

Yeah corrupt people never run businesses

>>15801961

If you really believed taxation was theft you’d shoot the tax collectors.

>>15802064
money isn't the basis of sins, greed is the basis of sins. money can exist but it's how people thirst for it that causes problems.

>>15802072
Who says we don't?

>>15802079
Yes i meant greed.

>>15802042
All yosugafags must die

>>15802015

Net worth is actually a better indicator than income. A doctor who earns 450k a year and blows it doesn’t have the same kind of influence as someone with 10mil to invest. He still has to work to earn his money. A wagecuck who earns 450k is still a wagecuck.

>>15802072
>If you really believed taxation was theft you’d shoot the tax collectors.
does this tactic work on your gas huffing dumbfuck little mindslaves? whatever bullshit you can think up isn't an axiomatic interface for definitive political action. do you not understand that?
you don't get to decide what anyone else thinks when you're a fucking idiot, you don't get to tell people what to do with their money just because you're broke as fuck.

>>15802083

The local SWAT team who would push your shit in the minute you actually backed up your tough internet talk

>>15802072
businesses don't give orders to state armies, so they can't take control of your freedom, you have the choice.

>>15802113
>the minute you actually backed up your tough internet talk
>>You think we'll let you leave?
fucking LOL what an absolute pussy

>>15802106

So why aren’t you shooting tax officials yet?

>>15802114

Lol look up the banana wars, coal wars,

>>15802122
none of your fucking business, nigger. why are you poor?

>>15802037
well, i HAVE been here all summer

i mean to say that it was merely a misunderstanding
also, check my id
the average income in the U.S. during the time of when the house in the pic attached to >>15801888 was available was over $5,000, just for reference
income tax was at around 1%, if i recall correctly
certainly much more so a time of free market capitalism than today; the positive effect of a very free market with very little government intervention is obvious

>>15800069

>>15802016
...so you don't have an alternative. Just more insults. so boring

>>15802064
we can argue that shit I guess but none of this holds water unless you can tell me what economy you'd like to move to, or which belief system is working better. I've got all the evidence in the world to support capitalism. I want some evidence to support an alternative or fuck off to reddit with your feelings and empty insults

>>15802128

>only poor people acknowledge capitalism’s faults

Lol

>>15800095
Yeah I’m sure in a state of nature George Soros would totally be on top. Fuck off dumbass

>>15802072
>Yeah corrupt people never run businesses
Yeah, corrupt people never run governments

>>15802141
oh, so you've always been poor and always will be? that's what you're saying? yeah i'd kind of figured, fucking loser

>>15800776
Because they prefer to look down on people worse off than themselves so that they can larp as CEOs and captains of industry

>>15800930
So George Soros is 1000000x better person than you? I want to hear you say it

>>15801338
>What country is doing better than capitalist countries? Would you like to move there?
The nordic countries
inb4 “they’re capitalist actually!!!”
Then why do you call Bernie a socialist for trying to implement the things nordic countries already have?

>>15802149
Post networth, bootlicker

>>15802188
Oh no. You're retarded.

You must be insanely asshurt to post back to back like this to defend an inbred ideology.

>>15802188
no you fucking retard. Nordic Countries are capitalist but they are social democracies that put more money into their social programs. The reason being is that they have a high level of majority race people and a very small population that limits the number of poor people that would need to use the systems. Therefore you don't have a bunch of moochers and a few payers.

Bernie sanders is a socialist as he wants the government to cover everything, not just some programs. also he wants the means of production moved from the individual to the people at large, you fucknut

anyone retarded enough to think Norway and the US are similar deserves to be a poorfag

>>15802149

Whatever helps you sleep at night, big guy.

>>15802148

I’d rather take my chances with public servants than literal sociopaths whose only job is to make as much money as possible for muh shareholders.

>>15802188

Taxing billionaires is LITERALLY communism okay? Hannity told me so!

>>15802122
I'm sorry, there's not really many information on that in my language, but let me guess, a business abusing its power and stealing or killing some employees illegally? you just discovered why it's dangerous to give too much power to humans. you want to give more power to state people and armies to oppress and control you legally, giga retard.

>>15802218
t. bootlicker that thinks he’ll be rich some day
>>15802219
>Nordic countries are capitalist but Bernie is a socialist
lmfao I caught one in the wild

>>15800069

wanna be a slave of communist party, cumrad?

>>15800930

>>15800069
Crony capitalism sure. True capitalism? Very different. If youre advocating for socialism then you're just a slave to the state.

>>15802283
Better a slave to the state than a slave to Jewish billionaires

>>15802244
>rich some day
Phew. I bought ETH in 2016. Enjoy ranting about nonsense pig slave

>>15802316
>I bought ETH in 2016.
Wow so you turned your $10 in tendie bux into 10000. Good job kid, you’ll be just like Bill Gates and George Soros one day

>>15802304
socialism is great for cucks like you who feel the need to be slave; but normal men think it's better to not be slave at all and be able to work toward that goal

>>15802358
Aww look how cute, the wagie thinks he is not a slave

>>15802304
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

>>15802166
>>15802142
it's worth saying that soros got rich by playing on government's manipulation of their national currencies
if there were no recognition of the government's ability to control their country's economy and if not for the central bank's capability to leverage quantitative easing on their country's national currency, people like george soros would have nothing to exploit; they would be laymen, or they'd be speculating in unregulated financial markets whose participants are in no way beneficiaries of centralized banking, or they would be good people who produce goods and services that other people are willing (if not outright eager) to pay to have.
or he'd be a failure. he'd be a sociopathic failure who couldn't make money because nobody worth a damn wants to associate themselves or their employees with him, and so he just lives as a failure who becomes regretful in his old age of his unsuccessful and unrewarding life of trying to connive and manipulate others and eventually changes his ways out of desperation for mere love and affection, giving souvenirs of his travels to young people that he meets and is then remembered fondly in death as the kind and humble old man who didn't have much but wanted to make people happy.

>>15802304
Why though? Why be a slave at all?

>>15802363
and I'm working toward that, already working from home, got 50% of my freedom back. you don't have anything without putting any effort for it, that's how nature works.

however you're doomed to be a cuck since you said "better a slave to the state". I don't have anything against your need to be a slave, but don't force it on others; normal people don't like being slave cucks like you.

>>15802411
seethe more, slavey slavey

>>15802396
99.9% of all people are slaves. The question is who you want to be the 0.1%, and capitalism has done a fucking horrid job at that

>>15802525
you can't prove that you're not a worse slave than me with a better future, kek

>>15802545
cope

>>15802363
i make more in passive income than you can afford to invest in a year. i choose to work hard now so I won't need to work in a few years. stay poor again

>>15802563
Giga cope

The only people who unironically advocate for communism are obese NEETs who want more free gibs. Heres an idea: how about instead of trying to convince the world that an ideology that constantly fails might work this time, you NEETs get a job and take a shower. Stop disappointing your parents

>>15802766
I'm a NEET and I'd never be a filthy fucking Communist.

>>15800069
>in capitalism:
>the worker wakes up in the morning
>eats his meatballs for breakfast
>reads his newspaper
>hops into his air conditioned car
>goes to his air-conditioned office
>and gets exploited 9 to 15

>in socialism:
>the worked wakes up in the morning
>scratches his balls while his stomach growls
>hops on his bicycle held together by rust and duckt tape
>goes to his factory
>and rules 6 to 15

>>15802682
dont think about what someone else is doing just do what you like and invest in what you believe in,. check out Telecoin orTELEX

>>15800069
>in capitalism:
>the worker wakes up in the morning
>eats his meatballs for breakfast
>reads his favorite newspaper
>hops into his air conditioned car
>goes to his air-conditioned office
>and gets exploited 9 to 15

>in socialism:
>the worker wakes up in the morning
>scratches his balls while his stomach growls
>stares angrily at the state propaganda disguised as newspaper
>hops on his bicycle held together by rust and duck tape
>goes to his factory
>and rules 6 to 15

>>15800069
Capitalism didn't cause the flow to the top 1%. It was corporatism. Small businesses got btfo by Amazon and Silicon Valley. Capitalism works by allowing everyone to be their own entrepreneur. But you can't succeed against big corporate.

>>15802139
Show me where the Christ touched you

>>15803357
>Capitalism didn't cause the flow to the top 1%
actually it kinda does... money has gravity it goes to where the other money is. it doesn't like it alone.
>But you can't succeed against big corporate.
def not true, in services it's the easiest in the world to beat them, in production? lolno.

>>15800095
Nigga, no rich people get pussy.

Self-made successful men are usually betabux or married to ugly women, the ones that get to actually reproduce are usually dumb criminals.

>>15800085
Except the initial Capital, the first investment, it's the workers who creates value. E.G. The investor invest 1M in order to built a company. One year later, the company is successful, and he gets his 1M back. From now on, value is not created by him anymore, but only by the workers. If the company, 10 years later, is worth 10M, it's the workers work which created this value. The initial investment is long gone by then. The losses you talk about are wealth created by the workers.

>>15800151
Hey, you can identify punctuation correctly, maybe you'll get a basic grip of how capital markets and volatile assets work

>>15800757
>>15801887

There are times where I wish cripple chan was still around, and you people wouldn't shit up this board.

>>15800069
I live in the west and make more than 60k so I’m in the 1%.

>>15803923
Thats bullshit. The investor invests a mil for above average returns adjusted for risk. The upper management, strategists, whoever the fuck thinks ahead in companies, to create value. And those individuals are mostly people who worked theyre ass of most of their life to get there, or know how to network. The workers don't give a shit about what will happen in the future (welp, most of em). They'll do what they're told without wasting a second thought on improvement in most cases

>>15803923
you ignore risk if you think the workers are exploited
the worker risks nothing he gets payed either way at one company or an other.
the investor risks his capital. over 90% of ventures go belly up.
there is always equity tied up in a corporation a lot. this "after the first year it's all profit is absolute bullshit" any such venue would be swamped to the point of in-profitability within months.

>>15802386
>it’s different when it’s someone who makes my system look bad
Kill your self

>>15804007
He only risk his initial Capital. Which is often less by multiple order of magnitude the value of the company. About risks, if the company goes bankrupt, the impact on the wage worker loosing his job can be bigger than the company owner loosing "his" company. If the company is in compulsory liquidation, the owner gets what's left. Which is again, value created by the workers.
>>15803991

>The upper management, strategists, whoever the fuck thinks ahead in companies, to create value. And those individuals are mostly people who worked theyre ass of most of their life to get there, or know how to network. The workers don't give a shit about what will happen in the future (welp, most of em).
That's great, nice story about the chivalrous upper management, who isn't the owners by the way. Still, the workers get paid less value than they create.

>>15804291
>He only risk his initial Capital.
no
like i said there is always equity opportunity costs and such. owning a company or shares in a company is always fucking risk. and not a small one.

>>15804291
>if the company goes bankrupt, the impact on the wage worker loosing his job can be bigger than the company owner loosing "his" company
where the fuck stupid people like this fucker crawl out of?

>>15804337
I don't know, the subject of the thread is a critique of Capitalism. Maybe you should get out.

none of you deserve freedom
you all disgust me

>>15804291
>Still, the workers get paid less value than they create.
Depends. Can be. Not with public companies, youre right, but the majority of the risk, in terms of where the companies success goes lies on the shoulders of the management. The owners bear the entire financial risk themselves and can disaggree with the management during shareholder meetings.

And again..they dont create value, they execute plans to create value. if 40.000 people each execute a set of small (no brain) tasks, if u ask me, that isnt worthy an upper scale income. depends on the industry tho

>>15801888
can you understand that what you just wrote to me was a strange copypasta of logic that belongs to libertarians and that i'm not going to agree with you saying the introduction of subjectivity to value is a good thing?

>>15804419
>risk
This whole idea of risk if fucked up. If a billionnaire "risk" and loose 90% of his fortune, he can still live an extremely comfortable live. If a wage worker loose his job, he can be forced to live on the street. In any case, stop the bullshit. The majority of billionaires come from already millionaires families. About "risk", you cannot "risk" anything if you don't have anything to invest. Capitalism is a scam based on private property of the means of production, which allows to exploit the workers, forced to sell their labor.

What you virtue signalling Bolshevik fucks continually fail to realize is : liberalism and socialism have undermined capitalism for last 50 years . Every year a little more gets chipped away. Russia is now more capitalist than USA. Think on that a minute. I am basically John Galt at this point chewing on my popcorn. Fuck all you freeloaders.

>>15804484
Risk is just a concept, and a useful one since it applies to everyone, in the same way. You're not gonna behave like a moron with money just because you have enough - in the long term, your money will lose value, and anyone who doesnt realize this is lacking basic knowledge on economics. The workers don't invest capital, i agree they carry other risk, but then again, percentage of selfmade billionaires is trending upwards (57%, nytimes). Many people utterly waste their opportunity to work for wealth by doing it wrong, rest is screwed by politics.

>>15800069
Nah

>>15800158
People at the top are at higher risk of death and injury from tge general public. They aren't the top genetics. The top list would look much different if society crumbled apart and it was every man for himself.

In Virtually all cases money in a family will be completely depleated by the third generation

>>15804507

>Russia is now more capitalist than the US at this point

>what Foxtards actually believe

>>15804540
Only if you don't invest in gold/appreciating assets.

>>15804540
If you think like this, it's because you had somehow met quality people during your life. You didn't "invent" it. You are the result of the people you met during your life. Others are not so lucky. Should we exploit them ruthlessly? Or hope for a better future without exploitation.

>>15802956
>wagies believe corporate media is the truth and not propaganda

>>15804507
Liberalism *is* capitalism, dumbfuck

>>15804007
>payed
How is this word used? It is PAID. PAID. PAID. PAYED IS WHERE YOU APPLY SEALANT TO A SHIP.

>>15804654
>PAYED IS WHERE YOU APPLY SEALANT TO A SHIP
rofl i actually never heard about that
hate boats

>>15804623
at least you can choose your flavor, i lived in socialism you mostly got the choice of buy or not buy the what kind/brand/flavor was not really a question.

>>15804384
if you want to critique capitalism go ahead
spreading moronic commie propaganda is not that tho
capitalism scales that's the best thing you can say about it it simply works and works at a global scale because it's based on self interest as primary motivator

>>15804629
>Liberalism *is* capitalism
Not comprehending difference between political ideologies and economic policies and the impact of liberalism on economic policy.
Fucking kys you uneducated AOC cuck minimum wage soiboi

>>15800069
How much networth for each tier?

>>15804059
no you multiple-gasoline tasting venue-attendee desk-faced dumbfuck it's never different
the system works the exact same way in every circumstance that i have ever laid out in every post i have every made across every thread i have ever posted in, and the results that i describe all correlate with how free market capitalism would have it play out
if there is nothing to corrupt, then nothing can be corrupted
government is LITERALLY just a collection of positions that are guaranteed a certain level of power over society for manipulators who don't want to produce goods and services that people actually want (which is arguably the ONLY way outside of winning the fucking lottery to gain money and harness the power of any society in a system of unbridled capitalism)
soros' modus operandi is incompatible with free market capitalism; he wins by constantly placing his bets on events that federal governments GUARANTEE happen by leveraging their power over central banks and taxpayer funds
soros would have NOTHING without government

>>15804706
Now you are more or less fine. You'll look like a moron when the next major crisis hit. Some say in less than 2 years.
Karl Marx is based by the way.

>>15803968
No you aren't in the 1%. America and Western Europe collectively are over 10% of the global population. You think you make more than 90% of us?

>>15804739
AOC is a social democrat, not a liberal
>“Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed, and equality before the law. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism (free markets), democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.”

>>15804059
no you multiple-gasoline tasting venue-attendee desk-faced dumbfuck it's never different
the system works the exact same way in every circumstance that i have ever laid out in every post i have every made across every thread i have ever posted in, and the results that i describe all correlate with how free market capitalism would have it play out
if there is nothing to corrupt, then nothing can be corrupted
government is LITERALLY just a collection of positions that are guaranteed a certain level of power over society for manipulators who don't want to produce goods and services that people actually want (which is arguably the ONLY way outside of winning the fucking lottery to gain money and harness the power of any society in a system of unbridled capitalism) to take control over
soros' modus operandi is incompatible with free market capitalism; he wins by constantly placing his bets on events that federal governments GUARANTEE happen by leveraging their power over central banks and taxpayer funds
soros would have NOTHING without government

>>15805007
i will be fine no matter what
unless its war in my backyard

>>15805045
liberal became a cuss word especially in the right wing and we all know the band called putin and the kgb is behind that genius agitprop achievement

>>15805123
>liberal became a cuss word especially in the right wing and we all know the band called putin and the kgb is behind that genius agitprop achievement

>>15805045
>AOC is a social democrat, not a liberal
Cool story bro and Hitler was a National socialist.
All you commie, bolshevik , liberal and socialist idiots love to label yourselves anything but what you truly represent = oppression

Antifa think of themselves liberal.

Go play social engineer / Stalin in /pol/ faggot we we might argue how but we like to make money in here .

The cope

>>15805508
Shut the fuck up, liberal

>>15800111
>itt my larp fantasy

>>15805508
You don’t get your penis touched very often now, do ya? (Masturbating doesn’t count and neither does your mom)

>>15805508
>Cool story bro and Hitler was a National socialist.

Retard.

The nationalists and socialists allied in Weimar Germany for political reasons. Hitler became head of the nationalist/socialist alliance party.

>>15800069
If socialism were a beer there wouldn't be any beer and anyone who points out the glass is empty gets shot.

>>15800069
Can't wait to watch richfags go into the woodchipper when the day comes

>>15804439
i'm the guy you were responding to, just on a different network
what is this shit on perceived "subjectivity" to value being supposedly bad? what—like, you think that the objective fact ISN'T that all biological organisms function at least somewhat differently, and that the same object CAN'T objectively be worth something different at the same point in time to two ever-so-slightly genetically or temporarily biochemically different people, because they are not the same organism? what the fuck good is a modern western house to someone with an IQ of 29, who can't even open a fucking door? why do you expect them to offer you the same price (if they can even speak english or comprehend the idea of why a $1 USD bank note is or isn't worth protecting, let alone bartering over) as someone with a triple-digit IQ? what boomer fantasy bullshit is this, where you expect someone to buy your house at a universal "objective value"?
if you think that i'm strawmanning you or something, i'm really not; you're favoring collectivist ideology, and the fact about collectivism is that all it does is ignore the reality that we live in an individualist universe; i mean shit, not even fucking TIME is constant across two slightly different points, and you're gonna try to tell me that the value of a fucking car is the same to two different people, no matter what? are you retarded?
and what is this shit on presumably modern-day liberalism being capitalism, like how >>15804629 and others have said? what, did vox write a fucking retarded article on economics that twitter commies and eating up or something?

THE COMMUNIST PERSONA LIVES AND DIES MENTALLY RETARDED; COMMUNISM IS THE ETERNAL APEX OF HUMAN FAILURE

>>15806623

>>15804439
i'm the guy you were responding to, just on a different network
what is this shit on perceived "subjectivity" to value being supposedly bad? what—like, you think that the objective fact ISN'T that all biological organisms function at least somewhat differently, and that the same object CAN'T objectively be worth something different at the same point in time to two ever-so-slightly genetically or temporarily biochemically different people? what the fuck good is a modern western house to someone with an IQ of 29, who can't even open a fucking door? why do you expect them to offer you the same price (if they can even speak english or comprehend the idea of why a $1 USD bank note is or isn't worth protecting, let alone bartering over) as someone with a triple-digit IQ? what boomer fantasy bullshit is this, where you expect someone to buy your house at a universal "objective value"?
if you think that i'm strawmanning you or something, i'm really not; you're favoring collectivist ideology, and the fact about collectivism is that all it does is ignore the reality that we live in an individualist universe; i mean shit, not even fucking TIME is constant across two slightly different points, and you're gonna try to tell me that the value of a fucking car is the same to two different people, no matter what? are you retarded?
and what is this shit on presumably modern-day liberalism being capitalism, like how >>15804629 and others have said? what, did vox write a fucking retarded article on economics that twitter commies and eating up or something?

THE COMMUNIST PERSONA LIVES AND DIES MENTALLY RETARDED; COMMUNISM IS THE ETERNAL APEX OF HUMAN FAILURE

>>15806646

>>15806643
>>15806661
motherfucker, did i address something wrong? am i mistaken in my assumption of what the supposedly evil so-called "subjectivity to value" is? rather, am i simply being too couteous in my assumptions, and you just don't have an argument to come back at me with but you're desperate to cling to your ideology of unprecedented, historic failure so as to save pasty, jawless face on a fucking anonymous imageboard? if so, respond with another brainlet or some variation on it, or don't respond at all

>>15800069
Let me guess, you think a central bank redistributing peoples wealth to the collective output of the economy via inflation is capitalism

>>15806750
Yeah these fucking incels faggots been so crushed by the liberals at skool they think taking a piss is toxic masculinity

>>15806643
>>15806661
motherfucker, did i address something wrong? am i mistaken in my assumption of what the supposedly evil so-called "subjectivity to value" is? rather, am i simply being too courteous in my assumptions, and you just don't have an argument to come back at me with but you're desperate to cling to your ideology of unprecedented, historic failure so as to save pasty, jawless face on a fucking anonymous imageboard? if so, respond with another brainlet or some variation on it, or don't respond at all

so if I subscribe do I get a free house and get to retire at 25? can the anti-capitalists at least agree on some sort of system?

>>15800130
Corperate welfare on one half of the spectrum being "jobs provided" is provided only to very few companies. Those that can employ thousands of people in one city. And its not welfare as they arent being given money just not having money taken away. Is it wrong since I have to pay taxes? Fuck yes, but not welfare.

On the other half you have bailouts. This is not corporate welfare. I am NOT in favor of bailouts, let me make that straight. HOWEVER if thats what you are referring to you need to understand how they work. They do not work like your personal bankruptcies, you are not let off the hook if you cant pay (99% of the time). When you file for bankruptcy as a business you go through a process known as "reorganization." The government is actually investing into your company, they have given you money and in turn bought out a portion of the company. Basically a loan with high penalties.

This is NOT welfare, you do pay the government back. The only people that get welfare are the lazy fucks who quite literally are on welfare. They are provided FREE money without any penalties. They arent expected to pay it back, they do not have to provide to society, they have to do nothing. And its stolen from people who do work.

I'm not for the systems you call corporate welfare, but it isnt welfare. And its not a tax negative on taxpayers.

>>15800893
Except no one will actually give an example of corporate welfare. Even in situations I explained that people call "corporate welfare" they are not negative tax income earners unlike the actual people who use actual welfare.

There is no such thing as corporate welfare unless you are Amazon. Bailouts cause your company to be restructured which in turn means that the government now siezes some of your profits until you pay them back and more as a penalty. State tax deferments are only accepted with contractual obligations to hire extra employees which is why they avoid some taxes. Turns out paying less in taxes can help a company expand faster... who knew?

The only thing I hear is the cries of a buttheart socialist that cant look at national spending to realize the vast majority of spending is on social welfare. Bonus info for you, because I know you socialists also love to cry about military soending. Did you know a majority of the military budget is actually benefits and hidden social costs? A lot of medical and infrastructural costs beyond just military benefits are also covered under the "military spending budget."

If we stopped giving money to lazy pieces of shit like you we'd pay less than 20% of our current tax rate.

>>15802386
based, the truth peabrained statists cannot comprehend

>>15807436
Found the commie socialist

>>15806610
It's always funny to see socialists fantasize about violent acts when they don't have the power to turn them into reality.

>>15801672
A large amount of innovation has its origins in publically funded research, not capitalist competition.
Even in silicon valley a lot of the supposed big capitalist successes began life as military research. And those companies (such as google) get all sorts of leniency and privileges because they provide big benefits to the state bureaucracy and military