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Hello niggers I begin my new posting series on dividend aristocrats. I will be focusing on
>food
>non-cyclical consumer essentials
I will not be focusing on
>utilities
you are too late for utilities imo, they have already been rotated into. I may do a series on them later
>pharma
JNJ and PFE are good dividend stocks, however they will be excluded from this series
>financials
CINF is a classic aristocrat, however it will be excluded from this series because we are late cycle.
Good dividend resources are a mixture of
dividend.com
dividendinvestor.com
finviz.com
nasdaq.com for checking EPS and DPS
data may vary from source to source so be sure to check multiple sites!
Today's recommendations and non-recommendations will be as follows.
>PG
not recommended. It's payout ratio is very high meaning it cannot grow. very sad. this would have been an excellent stock 30 years ago but you probably weren't alive so sucks to suck
>KO
this is a stock dobber circle jerked before going all in on writing calls on margin on AMD. very sad. You should have bought it 30 years ago, but it's payout ratio is very high and you are a nigger
>LANC
extremely based food bro. high buy.
>CL
this stock makes me cum
>TR
Did you know you can make a fortune, grow your income passively, and make great gains from a company that sells some of the shiitiest candy of all time? Now you know
I'm literally just going down a list found in the source at the bottom
I hope you have enjoyed this post and I will continue this series later.

>>15676466
In summary
>PG
>KO
bad. 30 years ago you should have bought but now you are buying a boomers bags when they die. You are a nigger with a small penis
>LANC
>CL
>TR
All extremely based with low payout ratios, good growth and stable futures. They will survive in incoming societal collapse.
Reminder you are a nigger with a small penis
This will be my last post for the day, good day

Bloomberg doing a piece on Purdue Pharma bankruptcy

wells fargo and chase will be center of next collapse

>>15676541
y

>>15676541
Elaborate, I'm loaded up on BAC and WFC puts.

>>15676541
JP Morgan & Chase pulled out of the Canadian consumer credit market recently

>>15676579
So that's why they were refunding all that money.

Heh, KHC a good value. Collect a 0.40 Divvy while you wait for the turnaround. The brands are iconic and won't be going anyplace. Now that the Fake meat train has stalled now's KHC's chance.
Honestly can you picture a world without Ketchup or Mustard or Mayo or how about the Kraft singles and mac and cheese? Or how about the Coffee. The backlash would be extreme if they were to go. Hell you've prob got some of it in your cub bard right now.

>>15676609
what the fuck is a "cub bard"?

Hmm, more interesting tidbit of information. Someone did a study of FDA advisory meetings. Seems that drugs that passed the advisory stage, 70% of them got the final green light later that year. I don't know about you but I like those odds. Profit... I smell Profit. Big Pharma knows this to. I fully expect a lot of heavy bags to be dropped on AMRN's board table between 11/14 and 12/28. After 12/28 the cost to buy goes up a hell of a lot.

>>15676921
So start accumulating now?

MY OPTIONS ARE GOING TO ZERO WHEN TLRD GOES BANKRUPT AAAAAAA

>>15676546
A lot of fishy business
1/4 manhattan homes are Empty. Seen articles about how nothing is selling so their is suspician that sellers are just renting cause almost everything sold ends up trying to rent out. Lots and lots of expensive properties are unsold and no one want to rent either. Saw articles about orange county having lows in the market-poor is creeping in from LA crashing prices.
I have been doing research and it seems like these two banks amongst other are gonna get fucked. With all these repos people are wondering where this liquidity is needed so badly. You need a lot of rich people to afford these places and there arent a lot of rich people anymore. I think we are seeing the first part of cascading effects of losing middle class. Companies with lots of money in “middle class” type assets are gonna be fucked. Everyone is a poor wagie or rich now. And we have been building a lot of middle class shit no one can buy. Banks bundle it up and selling them just like in the 2008 crisis. So much stuff will crash in price soon enough. Probably as long as repos go i guess. Relatively new to this stuff but it looks fishy to me.
Especially with chase paying back everyone in canada and leaving

>>15676921
Up to you. I've already got a shit pot of shares but from what I've read for whatever reason even if the advisory meeting goes good the share price just goes nuts downward. You'd think after such good news the opposite would happen. People getting spooked and taking the easy buck I guess. So two ways to do it. Wait till the meeting date or a day after and then buy. or buy now and wait. But keep in mind this; Big Pharma may not wait. Stranger things have happened. Hell look at Arry. That company got bought and they don't got anything passed yet.

>>15677005
You wouldn't by chance also be the anon with T-babies are you?

>>15677086
Yeah I am.

>>15677132
Nice to hear. I've been following your amen and t analysis for awhile now. Still haven't bought either. Hope to soon and I hope you do well.

>>15677184
AMRN*

Lost almost everything only $100 left on RH account gonna yolo it all on NIO Puts wish me luck.

IMPOSSIBLE golden bullrun coming soon

>>15677269
How much did you lose?

>buying stocks

>>15677540
>/smg/
>suck my genitals

>>15677269
>Lost almost everything
Same

>>15677480
900

Dividends are your fren!

>buy etsy

Heh, I picked the wrong target fund. (didn't place order for it yet thank god). The one I actually needed based on my age,etc was the 2050 one. Hell I can't pull money outta my 401k till 59 1/2 (60) anyway without getting slapped by a fee so what's 5 more years to me. Sides that gives it (fund) more time to grow fat.

>>15677279
>Stock Market Setups In Place For Monster Breakout
What’s so impossible about it?

>>15677638
I started an IRA using target funds but its taking away from my ROTH contributions. Is there any benefit of having both types or should I just stick to ROTH?

>>15676595
Indeed

>>15676671
A lute playing bear child.

>>15676609
No. As a matter of fact I do not have any of that.

>>15676966
>Chase
FFS it's "JP Morgan Chase & Co"
>JP Morgan Chase
JP MORGAN CHASE
IT'S NOT JUST CHASE
AND
AND
AND
ITS AND CHASE
SAME FUCKING COMPANY
DICKS

And they didn't just forgive all debt, just the consumer credit. Still bad, about half of canadians carry something like $15k worth of consumer credit debt. JPM&C can't collect it, they tried for 2 years. They can't make money off of debt there. The beginning of the end of the kingdom of canadia has begun.

Also banks have been offering CDOs forever. They didn't stop after the bailout. Banks are faggots.

>>15677540
>trading derivatives
Shoo financelet. How's Facebook's "libra" crypto currency doing? Did your shitcoins get BTFO?

>>15677564
How are you investing negative $58k?

>>15677564
How?

>>15677672
you dare question my davie504 reference

>>15676466
I don’t know, I like my boy Ned’s take on tilities. I think it’s the only sector they’ve got in overweight.

I’m not getting the sense that we’re due for a curve reversion, Powell is being cautious and so much of the financial news is dwelling on all the spooky factors, not the upside surprises.

Hope you guys picked up calls for ENPH! Nice little dip on Friday I loaded up more oct 30’s and need 35’s for nov next but with the recent news I might be too late to get them cheap. Oh well! Cloudflare is looking more bullish than any other recently released IPO so I’m excited to see where the next move up (or down) takes me. Next play coming soon...

>>15676466
I've been putting money into VPU but it stinks now that i have more money to invest its already pricey

Anyone has google drive links for books recommended by OP? Especially interested in the intelligent investor

>>15677673
I'd guess there may be tax benefits. I know my 401k funds aren't taxed till I pull them out. But having more than one source of income down the road is never a bad thing.

>>15678005
http://gen.lib.rus.ec is your fren

>>15677814
>>15677827
Probably fucked up writing options. Figured you shouldn't be able to lose that much on Robinhood due to credit requirements but maybe I'm wrong.

Buy MSFT

>>15677564
Why the hell does RH allow you to go red? Or am I misinterpreting this?

>Howdy Modi
Is this for real? Trump's campaign is usually pretty good at marketing and creating catchy names. but a Howdy Doody reference in 2019 wouldn't be my choice.

>>15677858
Some ZoomTuber?
Are you learning to play the bass or something?

>>15678104
>literally paid shill

>>15678104
It’s a trillion dollar company, how much can i even make off this fuck? If it goes up 10% that’s a hundred billion, how the fuck is that happening? If i was a billionaire id buy msft but wtf is the point now? Maybe if i was retired and wanted a safe divvy...

Are dividend stocks a meme? I look at these payouts compared to share price and they seem too slow compared to growth stocks. Is there something I'm missing? A matter of perspective?

>>15678104
What about the flat line growth of their gaming division?

>they will no longer release xbox live member numbers

I'm developing a new strat. I'm sick of bagholding and worrying that the crash is going to wreck my portfolio. I don't want to wait on the sidelines for the crash because who knows how long that will be. I'm looking for trades where a short position looks profitable. If the market does tank, then the trade will be even better. Anyone doing this already or notice any short opportunities?

>>15678503
Right now there isn't data to support a major economic crash, but buy protective options if you are scared.

Right now I'm throwing down as much cash as I can because I believe there are too many people like you out there that are scared. Made about $2000 doing this the past month.

>>15678363
They're a meme if your overall capital is less than like a million. Even then, that's like the MINIMUM you would need for dividends to even be somewhat viable. Don't listen to the dividend posters. They're delusional. If you aren't gambling on options you're never going to make it.
>inb4 5 replies from "dividend aristocrat investors" with 2k portfolios

futures popping up

we're looking at a green monday boys

>>15678556
I personally wouldn't buy a dividend stock unless it was beaten down or part of a growth strategy. For example if the S&P 500 goes up on average 8%, then add in 2% dividends and it isn't a bad return.

Of course like anything else it depends on your strategy. I think of the S&P as your safe bet, meanwhile at least 10% of your portfolio should be speculative.

Your forgetting that Time + Drip is the key for Divvy income. Ex: 240 T-babies now without buying more shares equals 30,000.00 in 26 years. If you wait till a major shat happens (like last winter) then your basically assured of not losing money unless the company itself goes into the shat.

Note that 30k is assuming you don't buy more shares over 26 years. The payout would go up if you say dumped 1000 more each year into it and/or started when you were 18 - 20.

Hell Time + drip is the key really for any investment over the long haul unless its like a quick growth play or some shit.

Congrats to baggie and myself.

>>15678363
There is utility value in having cash flow without the sale of the underlying asset, such as funneling money into real estate or trading options. More importantly, if you are holding dividend aristocrats that cash flow is fairly dependable even through a recession.

>>15678503
Im also looking for this but wanting to add some calls to this to really capitalize
Is QYLD safe to stash cash for recession, theoretically it should be worth about the same even if the market tanked, right?

>>15678363
I think a reit or other dividend stock makes sense in a tax advantaged account so you can reinvest the dividend

>>15678556
With QYLD you can get 1% a month, grow will beat inflation too

>>15678681
Consider: 100 T-babies + $100 dumped into it each month at $38 per share would be $34,000.00 after 30 years. If the share price falls well, that's even more shares for you which is more income down the road. At 32 a share your payout jumps to 62,500.00. Also there is Divvy hikes. So yeah.

S&P 3000!!!!!
(again)
Get your hats out!!!!
(again)

>>15678759
Glad i grabbed tqqq before bell

>>15678765
>trump is finna go to war with Iran
I'm not sure how I feel about the tvix I held so as not to make another daytrade.

Could be $60 I'll never see again. I might just let it ride since it loves to spike when we least expect it.

>>15678737
At 500 shares starting + $100 each month + 30 years w/share price of 38 per you'd have almost 100,000.00. The cost to buy those 500 shares? only $19,000.00 @ 38 per. Again share price falls your looking at more income. But fuck man 100k is pretty good unless your in deep debt or some shit.

>>15678781
I like trump a lot desu. I watch him pretty closely cause interested and now gamble on him. Media really is retarded as fuck. Dude will never take use to war. I would bet A LOT or money on that. If jew could get him to war for them he would have already

>>15678810
Trump wants to be remembered as a supreme negotiator and deal maker. War is the ultimate failure of the deal making process, Trump will avoid it at all costs.

>>15678810
I just meant we're deploying troops, and things are heating up. Rebels saying to prepare for another Iranian strike.

My media of choice has been saying trump doesn't want war, and is being made to look weak by continually doing nothing since iran took out our drone a while back.

>>15678792
But lets say you pulled it off, say you bagged 1000 shares out the gate. Your income after 30 yrs would be 172,000.00. This again is going by the 38 per share price + $100 more each month.

Note this is on top of whatever other income you got.

Why do people say ROKU is BROKU? I read their 10Q and it looks like they are doing alright. They may have lost a bit of value, with higher debt but they increased their cash by almost 2.5X

>>15678844
But fuck it, let's up the ante. Say some family member kicked and left you a pile. Say you bought 5000 shares @ 38 per. And you did not buy anymore shares, you just let Drip work. After 30 years you'd have 767,155.00.

>>15678835
Nothing like trump has always done in the middle east so far. Call me when we war, not send a bunch of kids to an airbase to fuck underage boys

>>15676404
she has some fantastic knockers. is she single???

>>15678858
>I read their 10Q
Trust the 10k, not the 10q.

>>15678888
>Say you bought 5000 shares @ 38 per. And you did not buy anymore shares, you just let Drip work. After 30 years you'd have 767,155.00.

That is horrible and less than 5% a year.

If the SPY gets rejected from 3k again, hold on to your butt cheeks.

ROKU calls Monday morning, the more I look into it the more I feel like it's a surefire bet

>>15679040
Naysayer here. I'd still wait until sentiment gets better. I'd watch RSI and MACD like a hawk

>>15679067
Which told do you use to do so? Your brokers? Any easily available tools for poorfag zoomers using Robinhood?

>>15678570

Hopefully the dude weed gets a bounce. A higher low setup on the whole sector would be nice.

Look at this investment of mine from 2015.

I bought some Exxon Mobile and in less than 2 days after buying it Warren 'fucking' Buffet exited the stock. Fucker exit scammed me. So I had to wait, and COLLECT DIVIDENDS.

Eventually because I didn't panic I made a 7% return. This is how to play dividend stocks. Try to buy something where you think the price is going up and if you fuck up just hold on collect dividends and wait.

>>15679139
Well tell me when I get to buy back in to the tobacco dividend kings, the pain doesn’t look like it’s going to end anytime soon.

>>15679112
>Which told do you use to do so?
wut

>Any easily available tools for poorfag zoomers using Robinhood?
Think or swim is easily the best for poorfagging it up. I use it for keeping up with the live ask/bid prices and you can add studies and all sorts of nifty things like bollinger(?) bands, RSI, MACD, and Volume. you have to make an account which is the only downside, but you don't have to put any funds on it.
I used to have TOS up on my comp, and use RH for making trades before RH had a web service

>>15679183
>buy back in to the tobacco dividend kings
What one? MO?

>>15679199
Probably MO or PM, I don't know if there are others that have been in the game long enough to be royalty/pseudoroyalty

>>15679112

>>15679212
MO invested in juul.
PM just raised their dividend and has the higher market cap, so the better investment if they merge.

>>15679220
>memedicators
cute

>>15679252
This is what I used to use years ago. I just recently came back to trading. What do you use for trading?

>>15679245
true true... CRON is seeming like a good choice though.

I wonder if PM is going to just let MO keep plummeting so they can buy out at a real nice price.

>>15679112
Tradingview. They even have a slick mobile app that works half the time

>>15679268
>I wonder if PM is going to just let MO keep plummeting so they can buy out at a real nice price.

Wouldn't you?

>>15679220
>>15679186
If I'm just looking for a screener which one do you think has the easiest learning curve? I've been messing around with finscreener and finviz but I honestly dont look at 99% of the shit the display

>>15679342
Yes, that’s why I’m not HODLing. Though the DRiP opportunity is looking nice, I highly doubt they’ll go out of business. But this vape nonsense could draw out for years.

>>15679268
>I wonder if PM is going to just let MO keep plummeting so they can buy out at a real nice price.
Most likely.. i don't see any rush for people to start buying MO.. it has a 76billion market cap with ateleast 13billion in loans +interest JUST for it's juul investment.. then to top it off there is so much negative news surrounding e-cigs..

MO is going to $30....

>>15679396
Been thinking about shorting. Never shorted before though...
I usually try to stick with calls

>>15679414
as in actually short it or buying puts? theres a difference

>>15679396
The thought of buying it after a multiple contraction severe enough to get it to $30, and that the yield would be >11%... that’s kind of hot, in a money boner way.

>>15679387
I've really never used one effectively. I mean I've used finviz for finding some companies, but I usually see what others are doing in these threads and what the idiots on stocktwits and reddit are shouting about, then I look into the company and look at the charts to see if I should jump on something or not.

Usually if Stocktwits, and Reddit are jumping on something I try to think a step ahead so that I don't get BTFO. They really like to chase moon missions that have already reached the peak (like most of /SMG/ too). Options, mainly spreads are what I've employed in the past to mitigate risks in unknown territory, like ROKU this monday. I will give you some advice as a trader that has a bit of experience, you WILL lose money. Risk mitigation should be your number one priority behind due diligence. I never go balls deep in anything and I use stop losses so I never lose more than 2% of my entire portfolio in a single trade.

>>15679474
>The thought of buying it after a multiple contraction severe enough to get it to $30, and that the yield would be >11%... that’s kind of hot, in a money boner way.
will that yield still be 11% when they cut dividend to pay off their debts that just started payments this august?? you do realize that note holders get paid before equity holders? Any reduction in revenue could be detrimental.. yeah.. i get it.. they sell ciggerates too.. but.. they sold ciggerates BEFORE taking on 13billion in loans for their e-cig investment which is now getting banned left and right and getting heat left and right about health concerns.

big money sees it.. retail is just looking at "but people smoke" or "they have e-cigs" retail isn't looking into filings as deep as big money... you aren't scratching your head wondering why is it tanking?!?! like is nobody sitting there wondering why the price is going down month after month?!?

that 76billion dollar market cap is pretty big for retail to catch and will take awhile to turn that boat around..

imo big money rather buy the debt and not the equity

been telling this thread since MO was over $50 that it's going to $30.... But hey... thats just my opinion

MO is going to $30

>>15679544
>you aren't scratching your head wondering why is it tanking?!?!
Not really, because the headlines alone are enough to freak any investors right the fuck out.

Do you think recession is coming soon or Powell will stop slashing rates? Otherwise, seems like a good time to accrue debt. Even Apple, with enough cash on their sheets to buy a studio if they wanted, just took out a bunch of debt.

Honestly I’m not sure what to expect, but I don’t think recession is close enough to want to get out of the market.

>>15679612
it sure is a good time to accrue debt... BUT.. if you take on debt to invest in a product and that product sales slow because they are getting banned left and right then that debt is no longer good.. it's bad.. because its debt in an investment that is going south...

not only that but the market cap will take a very long time to catch.. it'll take a long time to establish a new trend... i mean.. come on... i get it.. people smoke.. but people also drive cars so why isn't F to the moon?!?!

its just the way stocks work.. MO may have some pops here and there but for now the down trend is very very heavy.. it's not some 100million dollar company that can establish a new trend in a week.. it'll take months + the chances of them cutting dividend if juul really goes south...

just my opinion man.. you can try catching that stock or you can find a better one and wait for it to actually find a bottom and establish a trend... but again.. thats just my opinion

MO is going to $30......

>>15679733
Makes a lot of sense but comparing US tobacco companies to an American car manufacturing company with international exposure doesn’t seem right to me, also because of wage growth and the kind of commitment it takes to buy a new car. Additionally, millennials have been conditioned away from major purchases on rapidly depreciating assets like new cars. And then you’ve got the uber/lyft and even the caravana type shit, autos has a lot going on and I don’t want to be a part of it.

Thanks for your input. I think utilities and entertainment are where I want to be right now.

>>15679879
I just gave the example of F because it has always had a good dividend but it never gains traction.. it was just an example that there is something much deeper going on then what you can see on a chart.. value traps exist.. if you think MO is only down from the recent news.. then why has it been constanty falling for 2 years? i mean.. but it has a good dividend right?!?! why isn't it gaining traction?

I get that MO could be a good investment.. people do smoke.. i get that.. but investing 13billion in a product that is getting bashed on left and right is scary esepcially when their debt payments for it just started

>>15679879
>Thanks for your input. I think utilities and entertainment are where I want to be right now.
I really want to get into utilities.. i remember theres a part in the intelligent investor that talks about utility companies and that the way you look at their balance sheets are way different then most other companies.. i think i might go back and read what it says about utilities so i can invest in them a little smarter... something about debt.. they have debt more than most other types of business...?? but yeah.. i'd love to find a good electric company and a company with water...

>>15679879
Lmao at you, post your gains when MO skyrockets bro

>>15679931
They will be very meager, because my portfolio currently has very little correlation with MO. But if MO “skyrockets” because we’re at S&P 3500, then yeah I’ll probably be pretty happy.

>>15679927
I’ve been considering taking the easy route with CGW and RYU etfs, maybe SPLV as well.

Calling almost a million bucks "horrible" Jesus. I dunno, I make shit now but somehow I manage to get by with a shitty 27k a year (and still have some green left over). So I guess it's a mater of perspective. So you know if I got almost a million bucks I could live off the damn interest alone without touching the principle. The interest alone would be what, 60k a year.

>>15678765

Entered $26,000 at $65.02 myself. It’s gonna be a good day tomorrow, Tater.

>>15679612
>Do you think recession is coming soon or Powell will stop slashing rates? Otherwise, seems like a good time to accrue debt. Even Apple, with enough cash on their sheets to buy a studio if they wanted, just took out a bunch of debt.
Apple doing so mainly because most of their cash are overseas and they don't want to pay the tax by taking them back to America?

FUTURES

>>15680146
That’s some bitch shit.
I BOUGHT THREE SHARES

>>15679452
Buying puts. Didnt realize SHORTING was different than just put options. The difference is just the OPTION instead of being required?

Some dude was comparing Lipotor and AMRN and the respective buyout prices. According to him the buyout price will be 169 a share for AMRN based on sales and whatnot.

Bullshit I know but even if that figure is slashed in half that's still a shit load of Profit. Fuck I'd be happy with 60 a share. Ah well, just gotta wait till November. That's the key event. That's the only thing that can stop AMRN or end up making stockholders a shit load of Profit.

>>15680256
when you are shorting you are borrowing and selling the equity in the hopes of buying it back at a lower price and gain the difference. When you buy a put.. someone on the other end is saying that even if the price is lower then the strike they will still buy it.. because of this you have a premium.. shorting you don't... also with shorting you'll have to deal with supply and demand not a big deal to small traders unless trading nano caps...

TLRD to $10 in the next week due to correction of overselling followed by shorts covering

Futures !
The future !
/smg/ !

>>15680655
Don't play dumb. We all remember that little stunt you tried to pull yesterday.

>>15678988
>>15678888
I'm pretty sure he's discussing yearly income, not total value of assets.

ok, me fully kittied out on WoW now
time for back to stock >:D

futures looking weak atm

delusional bulls cheering a 0.3% bump in futures when the market dropped more than 1% on friday. can't wait to experience the greater depression!

>>15680768
I posted the same thing that made you sperg out yesterday you cunt, TLRD still going bankrupt, my calls expiring worthless :)

>>15680957
did you win the wow game?

>>15680976
hehe
the only one getting depression... will be u

>>15677564
old reddit box spread meme

>>15681086
That’s my secret, captain
I’m always depressed

>>15680918
>I'm pretty sure he's discussing yearly income, not total value of assets.
That's not possible.

>>15680287
What do you mean by supply and demand?

>>15681457
squeezes.. if you short stock you eventually have to buy it back.. if all the supply is being held high.. you are the demand because you HAVE to buy it back...

>down 11% on my portfolio since 3 months ago
I don't think I'm gonna make it bros :(

Nice chart from zerohedge

GREEN DAY

>>15681457
To short a stock, someone has to already have (or buy) enough shares to lend you so that you can sell them
Then when you close the position, you have to buy back enough shares. So if there aren't enough shares for sale that you can buy, you run into a bit of an issue.

>>15681480
>>15681506
Pic related. The stock I got wrecked on because i got greedy with the buy put I had.

>>15681510
with options.. if you have a high short interest on the underlying.. you will sometimes see a lot of buying on expiration IF the stock is going to close above a strike price... naked call writers will have to buy those shares.. this causes a spike up.. its all a fucking game.. to understand trading completely i think that people have to learn how options work.. there are a lot of stocks that trade basically around the options.. they will be pinned by a strike at time of expiration.. the MMs that sold want all premiums to be wiped... really is kinda a crooked game imo.. but one worth learning..

>>15681547
whats the ticker...?

>>15681582
It's JCP
You can tell by the price and the graph
Also by being in the threads three (3) days ago

Disclaimer: I/we have no JCP position

Hey guys I actually have a real job now and a lot of excess income, so instead of sinking even more money into crypto I've decided to diversify a bit and buy boomer stocks.

I signed up for fidelity, what do I buy now? I want to retire ASAP

>>15681603
>calls stocks "boomer stocks"

you can start by buying a helium tank and a gas mask

>>15681561
Arent stock prices essentially determined by options?
Like at the end of a day nothing really prices a stock but options. Like how tsla is high as fuck and we all know it will never earn that valuation. Stock trading just cause enough options sellers more or less agree on some dumbass price

>>15681503
Bull Patrol.
Will will maintain the 3000 support

>>15681615
Did a strike a nerve?
You're all under 30 here, right?

>>15681603
Over leverage yourself and buy tqqq. Fucking wreck the market bro.
Dont do this but unironically you will regret not doing it

>>15681603
>>15681615
if you just want to have some "set and forget" exposure to the stock market, just buy an index fund (like SPY or VTI) and dollar cost average if/when the market goes down

if you're interested in individual stocks, do research on the individual companies you're buying before you buy anything

>>15681616
>Like at the end of a day nothing really prices a stock but options.

What are you even talking about? No options don't change the price of a stock until they are executed. When the stock actually trades.

>>15681603
higher risk higher reward?
I'm liking SQ and TWLO lately
ETSY shill anon has also been getting to me.
CRM probably not high enough risk for you?
>>15681626
>tfw 30
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15681603

Weed stocks have been beaten to shit over the last six months. There could be more down side to come though, depending on how the SAFE banking act goes in congress this week and whatever mystery catalysts are coming. Since the democrats all want to legalize weed (with the exception of creepy joe biden), I think it's likely they will have another run in the next year.

>>15681635
What i am saying is Coca-Colas stock price is essentially determined by a collective of options players. Eg if on average people are banking on $100 a share then the price will be $100 a share

>>15681626
just joking, but "boomer stocks" is obnoxious cryptokiddie nomenclature
the options market can deliver much better gains than crypto in a much quicker timeframe, and you can also find much more stable, safer investments on the stock market than you could find in any coin
there really is no reason to trade crypto unless you like the idea of a decentralized currency

>>15681618

Hold the line.

>>15681632
Should I wait until the recession to buy?

>>15681601
oh yeah.. look at short interest.. someone probably had to buy shares to cover their calls they shorted

>>15681616
yes and no.. a lot of stocks don't even have options.... imo.. if a lot of retail are buying calls.. the price is going to tank.. if a lot of retail is buying puts the stock is going to go up.. i think a lot of big money purposely wipes premiums.. right now this is what i'm kind of thinking is happening with MO.. it's a $40 stock so most retail won't buy a lot of shares but they will buy options because they can afford it.. the institutions holding their shares are just selling calls and letting the price sink.. once it gets to a certain point instead of writing calls they'll probably start lending shares out to shorts.. reason i think this on MO is because institutions are holding but short interest is very low for now...

>>15681651
the tail doesnt wag the dog anon

>>15681640
I feel like when shit recovers gnln will probably moon the most out of dude weed type stocks. That revenue increasing is crazy high rate, if they continue this next wuarter im going to fucking dive in

>>15681651
it may be true to some degree that options sellers move stock prices around in the short term, but what determines the price of a stock is what prices people are buying and selling shares at

>>15681663
>it's a $40 stock so most retail won't buy a lot of shares but they will buy options because they can afford it..

That's silly. This is a silly opinion for silly people.

>>15681657
you could, but the time tested ultra-boomer strategy is to just buy in, and keep piling more money in on a regular basis regardless of what the market does

https://www.businessinsider.com/dollar-cost-averaging-into-a-stock-crash-2014-2
https://finance.zacks.com/dollar-cost-averaging-vs-market-timing-1018.html
https://ofdollarsanddata.com/even-god-couldnt-beat-dollar-cost-averaging/

>>15681663
That’s really good insight thanks

>>15681626
28

imo equity trading is the best type of trading.. it's not extremly sophisticated and the swings most of the time make sense compared to forex or crypto.. then you have bond and commodity traders but i think thats more for hedge funds, investment banks and very very large traders.

Being able to trade small caps or options on mega caps where there is high volatility i think is a huge advantage.. both have high volatility and i think people that can trade those two types of trades are really good traders.. but thats just my opinion.

>>15681640
dudeweed does good if biden drops out then? Looks like warren just became officially frontrunner. I'm concerned for my pharmas.

Is beisbaruanon here? I need some advice on my cgc bags.

>>15681654
Pendy confirmed boomer now. Wow. Just wow

>>15681676
how is that silly? A LOT of small time traders don't have that kind of money to fork out to capture gains on a stock priced at $40 with a market cap of 76billion so they trade the options to catch smaller swings but get larger gains with a smaller amount of capital.....

>>15681676
>duh stock is only $40 anyone can afford it

>>15681717
>>15681676
stocks do forward splits and reverse splits to make the stock price look more "attractive"

For example.. when amzn was trading at 700 (i think it was 700) then they did a 7:1 forward split bringing the price of the stock to 100.. this allows the average person to buy shares because they can buy 1 or 2 shares at 100 but not 1 at 700.. so they usually trade options around it but then MMs wipe premiums because they know most retail traders are trying to trade the options

>>15681733
oops.. not amzn... netflix.. netflix did that a couple years back...

>>15681676
>what is a deep in the money call

pic unrelated

>>15681705
>dudeweed does good if biden drops out then?

It may. I suppose that could be a minor catalyst but I don't expect much reaction from that alone.

>Is beisbaruanon here?

Yeah that's me. Having shaky knees on the CGC bags? I don't have much advice to offer on that. TA wise, you want to see it hold the recent low of $22.76. Below that who knows where support will form, could be all the way down to 19-21 range idk.

>>15681740
Amzn will never split

>>15681783
i wouldn't say never.... it all depends.. corporations live long after their founders.. even if the founders don't believe in splits.. someone down the line might..

>>15681773
Wewww... think I may throw that into cron then. Would be nice to get another hexo dip.

>>15681750
What kind of sick fuck are you?
>>15681773

>Reddit

>Spacing

Holocaust never happened but it will.

>>15681802
If you haven't bought HEXO yet, then you're probably beyond help

>>15681802
>Would be nice to get another hexo dip.

HEXO looks like it's in a symmetrical triangle pattern at the moment. Big pump on Friday. Could break out? I will be watching that one closely this week.

>>15681806
Trying way too hard to belong
>>15681809
I own it, I just wish I’d dca’d down more and bought less CGC and more hexo. Did not expect it to get an analyst pump like that.
>>15681810
Thanks fren

>RH has Roku Broku article in cards
Welp, Roku is going down today. Watch for unusual volume, but bet on shorts and puts.

>>15676966
the fed repo injection has literally nothing to do with manhattan real estate

look up basel 3, lcr, eurodollar shortage

>>15681843
This is your mind on leddit

by the time i wake up.. i need indexes to sink.. oil and silver to rise and bitcoin to decide a direction

>>15681914
Are you even old enough to know the “your brain on drugs” meme? It’s always impressive to me how things like memes from the matrix can filter down to you zoomers.

>>15678681
>>15678737
dude lunch is gonna cost 30k in 26yrs
what planet are u on

>>15682016
I remember the 1997 one where the lady destroys the kitchen.

>>15682063
Forgot about that one until you mentioned it. The brain is on drugs one is just someone frying eggs.

>>15679139
hi maam, do you have time today to talk about excel?

>>15682063
That’s the one!
That’s the culturally significant one, where she shows that drugs turn your brain into yummy scrambled eggs.

>>15682016
Talk about
>Trying way too hard to belong
Talk about something done too much on here
>hur dur i dont like his opinion
>I’ll call him a zoomer!
Like MLA, 4chan has a format.
And in no world is age a fucking attack on someone. Age is meaningless. I’m 28, so hardly a zoomer. Been here since there was a here.

>>15682196
How dare you hold me to any standards whatsoever

>>15682230
I think its easier if everyone does it cause spotting redditors is easier and we can all gangbang them

>U.S. Senator Graham says he is trying to get Turkey back in F-35 fold
> Erdogan is scheduled to meet Trump in New York this week.
>In an interview earlier this month, Erdogan told Reuters he would discuss with Trump buying U.S. Patriot missile defenses, adding his personal bond with the U.S. leader could overcome a crisis caused by the S-400 purchase.

Pump LMT? Who makes Patriot missile defenses? Feels like Saudis might want some better radar and missile defense as well.

>>15682335
Raytheon

>>15682335
>Who makes Patriot missile defenses?
>Saudis might want some better radar and missile defense as well.


These two statements are not compatible. If you know what's what you'll invest in whoever can make something better than the fucking Patriot

Imagine in December 2020 regretting having bagheld down to the bottom

>>15682746
Sounds like the Turks might be setting up to make some appeasement purchases to get back into the good graces of trump and LMT.

But what you’re saying does make sense, if the issue was that patriot defenses weren’t good enough. Problem is I DONT know what’s what, thought I hear L3Harris has good radar tech.
Maybe this would be a good time to get a defense ETF then. All I know is that I like LMT, but they might not be the best positioned.

>>15682766
Are you implying we’re not about to break out to new highs, with S&P 3400 on the menu next year?

>>15682789
I'm implying it can't go on forever. The last ATH for years will occur in the next 9 months.

>>15682795
True enough, I’ll try to remember to be a contrarian when irrational exuberance kicks in. We could see an overheated stock market if trump ever gets a deal with Xi, though I don’t even think he wants one.

DAX index getting WRECKED based on the German PMI's being underwhelming.

Down 1.3%.

Manufacturing on the whole is slowing globally.

None of the defense ETF's are free on schwab, suck.

CIBR looks kind of sexy though, feel like cybersecurity is a good sector to target. Not sure how Raytheon is the top holding.

THANKS GERMANY!

What's happening with DLS/DLF im South Korea?

In the upcoming Abe-Trump meeting on the Wednesday, there will be no signing of the Japan-America trade deal unlike previous expectation. It's reportedly because America keep asking for changes in expression in the treaty and thus delayed time of legal review process in Japan

>>15683953
QE4 might become the major factor, not trade. Of course, this is exactly what Trump is hoping will happen — a much weaker USD to reindustrialize ‘Murika

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/schiff-market-forces-are-beginning-overwhelm-feds-defenses

Placed buy order on my Target 2050 fund. Get the ball rolling on it. Hell 2020 is right around the corner. Gives it 30 years to grow fat. After AMRN delivers the Profit I'll be able to seed it properly and buy a large wad of my T-babies.

My luck with AMRN may never be duplicated so the smart play would be to stick to shit I know will grow and make Profit over time. Better than just tossing money at shit and it all blows up in my face, thus costing me loads of green.

>>15683823
Ouch

baggie is fucked

>>15683823
I haven't found any English language article, just Korean language
Sounds like some investors lost a lot of their money?

>>15684369
From what I gather it seems like some Korean onvestment banks are selling high risk funds based on derivative products to non professional investors, and that a total of something like 700 million USD have been invested from thousands of individual into it and they're now facing huge losses.
It make me recall what happened with a number of products like accumulator/minibond/subprime mortgage in 2008 but I am not sure how much impact such event happening in Korea now will have.

PTE up 12% pre market.
Positive data full thickness skin in hard to treat wounds

>>15684444
>how much impact such event happening in Korea now will have.
Most likely, spike in suicides.

>>15684444
And all for 3-4% return if I'm reading correctly?

Should I become an investment banker or trader?

>>15684634
Male prostitute

>>15684359
Whew, good thing I bought spy puts a minute before close. That dude he went All in calls didn't he?

>>15684634
You should trade investment bankers

>>15684743
He could also bank investment traders.

>>15684687
5k, expires today

>>15684749
No, no, no. I think he should invest in trading bankers.

>>15684749
Or invest in bank traders

>>15684757
>>15684758
So it's settled. He will trade investment bankers while banking investment trader and invest in trading bankers. What a busy young man our anon will be.

>>15684752
Might continue to be a down day today. Testing a new methodology.

>>15684777
Triple 7s of truth. It has been ordained.

>>15684784
I actually wouldn't be surprised if we close at 300 today or tomorrow. This entire market is crazy in the short term but very predictable in the short-mid term action.

>>15684777
Looks like it's settled then, with trips too. I wish my future was this bright.

>>15684784
but nonetheless i'm sure hes shitting bricks rn and we may never see him post here again since he got banned for posting nudes of himself and he may kill himself before his ban expires

>>15684813
Was this recently? I didn't see any pics on the Friday thread.

>>15684818
hard to see when his pricker is so small

>>15684813
Don't you get perma banned for posting porn on blue boards?

>>15684836
No, ever now and then i start a bleach black women thread on tv for the laughs and they always just give me 2-3 day bans

>>15676404
>stock market general
So is this the wrong place to ask about buying bonds?

>>15684623
>And all for 3-4% return if I'm reading correctly?
Yes

>>15684841
>racebait shitposter
absolutely based

>>15684829
Yeah... anyways I've seen bag holder here since forever. Since he worked up a decent sized port he must have been doing something right. I feel like getting cocky really fucks up the process of thinking rationally.

>>15684855
You haven't been here very long, but baggers is good fun though

>>15684870
I could have sworn he was here at least a year ago or more.

>>15684855
>he doesnt know baggie is a time traveler

Anyone catch the PTE EPS in the earnings call? I slept in

>>15684896
No but they were up 12% premarket. I think they're at 4.50 now, so a little drop

>>15684887
At this point yeah he has been, but still he's part of like the 4th wave of tripfags. The average life span of a trip is only a month or two. This batch is resilient.

>>15684849
What were they thinking? What's wrong with bond funds?

>>15684906
>average life span is short because they made it
>this batch is taking a while

GL boyos

Melania ringing the bell today, how will it effect today’s gains?

Hey guys so I'm in the market for a decent laptop for trading. Trying to keep it budget friendly so preferably around $600. Any suggestions?

>>15684916
>made it
More like blew up

>>15684910
They're selling those risky investment product as if they're just some ordinary bond over regular bank counter

>there are people in this very thread who dont have a pic of baggies dicc on their harddrive


Pathetic

>>15684916
>made it
Most of the time they die out. Allegedly pimple made it and hated biz cause biz refused to listen to him and called him out when they lost money from not profit taking or buying the top.

>>15684944
We didn't deserve pimple

>>15684932
get a thinkpad P51, the one with the Xeon
you can get them for 1k-1.5k
fantastic laptop. better touchpad and keyboard than any other modern thinkpad.

>>15684932
if you're only gonna trade on it with a web based platform get a chromebook for $400

>>15684932
Probably a decent Chromebook, if trading is all your going to be using it for.

>>15684916
>because they made it
thats not why, most trips dont last....
quite the opposite in fact

>they think i'll go away
4chan is my home
ready to long a potential bounce in roku

>>15684743
>>15684749
>>15684758
>>15684777
kek thanks guys, I was having a rough day (suicidal) and this cheered me up

DING DING DING DING DING
Market's open, boys

>down 12% at open

Based

>>15685003
kys fag

Anyone know where I can find a list of bond yields? Nothing complicated, I just want coupon rates for shit like US/UK 10 year bonds.

UK 2 year bonds have a 4% interest rate?

Is anyone else having problem with RH filling orders this morning?

STOP SELLING MY STOOOOOOOOCKSSSSSS

Dipping my toes in options. Bought a couple PTE $5 calls for 18 October. Short squeeze incoming?

DEJA VU

Shit day, see you tomorrow.

>>15685166
Whoa fuck! It just shot up 80%! Damn. All right bros. I want into options on the reg. Been reading stuff about em and even read a book on day trading options. And after I saw those roku puts last Friday fuck that was so cool. This is some adrenaline. Fuck. Wow.

Just nabbed 100 shares of EROS. Feel like gambling on Pajeet earnings.

>>15685240
>that was so cool. This is some adrenaline. Fuck. Wow.
You write like a pajeet trying to come off as America.

>>15684995
Probably going to load up on a couple calls here then, price target?

>>15685240
Is day trading options/futures even a reliable way to make income tho lol

>>15685307
Seems to have bounced off of $106 twice today (not that it means shit) $115 calls for oct?

>>15685304
>*adrenaline rush
Also
>come off as America
I'm assuming that's part of the joke.

>>15685317
Idk I've been looking at it as gambling because most of them go to 0, never exercised. Sucks to be that guy, and eventually I probably will be that guy. But this shit is great. I want in

>>15685307
in cash now.. monitoring and ready to long or short depending on price action. i wouldn't hold any position overnight right now because of gaps up and down

>SQ
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH PTE GO BACK UP

I FUCKING LOVE OPTIONS!!! Theres just something really unsettling watching investments and trades just crab about. But this shit moves fast. Fuck yes. Why didnt you get me into this sooner!?

>>15685377
Anon you have a gambling problem

>>15685382
He does trade options after all.

>>15685382
Yeah, I’m of the opinion that the worse your initial investments do, the better investor you ware likely to be. This is much more intense with options.

Losing on your first options is the best thing that can happen to you, especially if you stop using options for years after that experience.

>>15685377
Easy there Mr. Leeson

wanna buy DIS calls...need it to fucking go down into the red to bring down the premiums. It's stubbornly refusing to do so.

>>15685382
>>15685405
>>15685408
>>15685411
I was on my trading platform this morning and saw the premarket prices for PTE were up, but the options didnt move. Figured I would put in a reasonable, but better offer than the current bid for a couple of calls a month out, and I should be good to go. Market opens, my order goes through, and I'm in the green 44%. Went up past 100% earlier, we'll see what happens with PTE in the coming weeks.

>>15685440
It's right at support. It could pull a head and shoulders this week to provide a good entry for people looking forward to Disney+

If it breaks 130.25 I'm scalping a put and then going long on a call once the dust settles

Yeah, baggie and that other guy are fucked. We crab now.

>>15676466
You are a hero, thanks

>>15685496
Coming back up

I think if roku can't re-break $111 today its more down from here

>>15685496
>Baggie's fucked
No shit

>For the first day in forever TLRD isn't -3% at open
AAAAYYY

GME still holding pretty good

>>15685594
Whys LCI down? Purdue pharma bankruptcy scaring investors?

>>15685614
I don't consider LCI to be down at all right now ~1%? if you look at the chart you'll see it's still consolidating.. LCI has made it pretty clear that they have their debts handled..

LOL I bought 250 shares of GHSI this morning because I liked how the chart looked and then an hour later they release news they bought Nutriguard. Well, today will be profitable.

WKHS is finally making a profit for me

>>15685637
Well, I mean sure, I agree that it's technically down but not really down down, and not trending down. But no buyers driving up the price? No shorts covering? It's just hanging out in the barely red.

>>15685649
thanks for telling us after the stock climbs over 20%... it would be a lot more helpful if you told us as soon as the news hit............

The yahoo finance live show has some fuckin qts.

>>15676466
>a wild boomer appears
I will buy your stocks for the rise, sell when they dump because your retarded generation will all die around the same time even with modern medicine, and laugh as you blame us for your negative net and blown retirement savings

>>15685691
>negative net and blown retirement savings
So you know that boomers don't save and don't invest, but still think stocks are for boomers?

You're a retard, buddy.

Has anyone read this book, and would you recommend?

>>15685682
Is this gonna be a repeat of last week where LCI is dragged down pre 12 and then shoots back up to 14?

DIS $160 Call 12/20 executed. Don't let me down (((mouse))).

>>15685721
I actually bought that for my son for Christmas, an aspiring young /biz/nessman, it's pretty good if you're young or just starting out. .

NONONONONONO EVERYTHINGS CRABBING NOW AAAAAAAAAA

Whats everyones opinions on REFR and SNSS?

>>15685683
>More than 50 have fallen ill and 8 have died from vaping related illness. E-cigarette maker Juul is facing more scrutiny today, after Senator Chuck Schumer said President Trump's plan to address flavored e-cigarettes has "loop-holes”. “Men’s Health” Editor-in-Chief Rich Dormant joins Yahoo Finance’s Brian Sozzi and Alexis Christoforous on The First Trade to discuss.
Men's Health Editor? That's their "expert"
This thing is shit, and that blonde isn't even all that cute, she's got weird teeth. This shit is very cringee.

>>15685766
down 2% on SNSS but based on the shilling of SNSSanon it may be worth grabbing some, I felt it was.

GHSI and WKHSChad here, get dabbed on.

>>15685678
>But no buyers driving up the price? No shorts covering? It's just hanging out in the barely red.
like i said.. it's just consolidating.. if anything retail shorts are shorting right now at the gap fill and institutions still holding...

>>15685725
I have no clue.. i'm just holding and letting big money play with it..

THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

GMErs rise up!

I was looking at the steam hardware survey and amazon sales and it looks like AMD has been selling a lot of CPUs. I’m thinking of playing earnings if its price is less than $31 about a couple weeks out. Before you say priced in I honestly think hardly anyone even institutional investors look at this data.

>GME

>>15685788
Yes, but ya gotta hold it until ASH. It's a several month play at least.

>>15685766
I have 100 shares of REFR and a metric fuckton of shares of SNSS. REFR will climb back up, the company is bad at PR but they have a good product and are getting more and more contracts for it. SNSS will be $2 in december/january at and after ASH.

>>15685721
I actually remember reading that as a kid

Good times

this market can't make up its mind

>>15685941
We hit $5!!!!!

>>15685890
Based and divvypilled

Bought NIO puts yesterday in anticipation of er tomorrow morning. With the price movement today, thoughts on continuing to hold through till tomorrow or should I sell out and take the gains from today?

When you see GME up 6% in this market

>>15685998
>>15686018
GME could hit 7.50 real quick.. maybe even higher..

>>15685942
its fine I don't mind :)

Hopped into Roku calls

>>15686055
do you really see them recovering?

>>15684843
dont buy bonds if you want yield buy divvy stock/etfs

For next thread

anyone going to make a new thread...???

>>15686080
Short term calls, due for a bounce and today is crabbing w/ the rest of the market

>>15686110
kek just blew through that whole series in a week, fun ride.

>>15686130

New threda

>>15677634
>I bought SQ and TWLO instead
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH MY LIFE IS A FAILURE

GME, a company that seems to hace little hope of being around in a decades time somehow pumps. Come on, youre telling me this market is not being pumped and dumped?

For example say when you bought a stock and it happens that the government mandates all stockholders must hold any stock they purchase for 1 year before selling. Would you honestly buy GME stock?

>>15686125
It was pretty entertaining, I wouldn’t mind a season 2

>>15685317
Yes, it's a way to get really fucking rich but retards won't make it since you need a 120+ iq and 2 blown accounts to get a feel for the market. 90% of daytraders fail because they don't have the grit and are really just searching for a lotto ticket so they don't have to go to work tomorrow. They don't care about the art of trading.

>>15686149
No I'd move to somewhere freer than whatever government is mandating what I can do with my property

>>15686122
>due for a bounce
isnt that like saying a slot machine is overdue for a payout?

>>15685766
REFR is a good buy in the long run. I held it for awhile (made profit) and I am waiting to buy back in around $3.00.

Goddamn Robinhood fill my Iron Condor order.

>>15686136
NEW
>>15686130

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>>15686130