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Our whole universe is just a swirl in a fractal. It's fractals all the way up and down.

>>15648845
non-meme answers please

fractals / reptilians/ god/ aliens still don't explain shit

what the fuck is this?????

>>15648863
molecules

>>15648899
just more irrelevant words

Emanations from the Theocenter.
Seek the theocenter, anon.

>>15648838
Think about what a thought is, or a feeling. What are you? You aren't some thing, no word can actually describe what you experience as all words are within experience. You can never escape experience, it is all a meaningless, mad painting that will extend infinitely forwards and backwards. There is no universe outside you. Your perception, all you see, hear and feel is a flat sheet with you in the centre and nothing else and it will never end.

>>15648838
It's an ancestor simulation. Try not to think and it'll just wash your consciousness away.

Find the one.

I have absolutely no fucking idea. What the fuck am I even doing. Why.

>>15648924
Seeing as your perception receives impulses beyond its control, or at least beyond the control of what your perception defines as "you", there is by definition a universe outside you. Empiricism is a dead end, read Hume.

>>15648838

Why is there something rather than nothing at all? Anon?

Something instead of nothing, rare

>>15648976
that cant be proved

>>15648976
I have read Hume but the presentation of new information doesn't 1) entail the existence of a greater universe as we understand and 2) necessarily entail any more than us - a shuffling of 5 blocks can produce countless new shapes despite being made of known components.

>>15648838
Don't forget me to thank me sir

https://imgur.com/c0VjBaX

>>15649011
The biggest proof of a greater universe is the existence of pajeets. No warped reconfiguration of my mind could produce something as lowly and disgusting as an indian.

>>15648838
for nothing to exist, something has to exist in contrast.
we are the result of that situation.
unfortunately we had no choice in the matter.
and now we are here.
it's at least our duty to do the best to mark our existence, rather than our non-existence.
likely, this means someone else will have to adopt our world after we have gone from it.
if we have done well, they will hopefully have a slightly better life than ours.

Don't you find weird that basically you are free to imagine anything you want, but your internal organs like the heart and the guts work in unison without you intervening? How is that the will itself of the universe wants your heart to beat in sync with your internal status even if you don't want it

We're too stupid to comprehend it, so we toil away in irrelevancy - constantly getting nowhere and tasting the bitterness of failure until we die

>>15648838
At some point it will feel like that most of this shit was autopilot for a while, then some bad experience shaped and deformed your consciousness.
Ever since that nothing really happened, that event is past and all that's left are literally reflections of your thoughts that you have still linked in some way to that original negative experience.

>>15648907
kill yourself you don't deserve the answers to shit

>>15649036
> for nothing to exist, something has to exist in contrast.
That's meaningless drivel linguistically made to sound like it has content. Nothing is just inexistence. If there was no universe there would be nothing at all.

>>15649043
Fucking lmao

>>15649065
but why is there something rather than nothing?
you still haven't answered the principal dilemma.

>>15649093

it isn't a dilemma, if you believe that there is a good way to live then you maybe there would be one, but as that is the question of things is just a trippy one, more artsy and related to forms than an actual purpose of life

>>15649009
I was not talking about new information, only about impulses that are not within our control.

>>15649093
I don't have the answer, i think when you get down to the basic layer, qualia - or the top layer, the universe you encounter the same fundamental lack of ability to comprehend. Really the questions about one are also about the other. Just what the fuck is it, why is it and what will happen to it. It becomes so incomprehensible that are we even sure it is something, is this world some feverish dream of nothing? Is the universe just you, some free existing subjective? Is something the natural state of things and not nothing?

I find when you exist as a subset of something you can't hope to properly define it. Like Gödels incompleteness theorem.

>>15649145
Well Hume questioned if there even was a you, or if life was a passing collection of thoughts with a subjective feeling. In that way things aren't happening to you anyway. You are those things feeling like a person.

>>15649167
Exactly. And he also notes that since we can define a you separate from those things happening to said bundle of experiences, by that definition of you there is something outside it.

>>15649205
I don't recall him ever saying that, as far as i know he left it at some reductive "we only know for sure there are qualia".

>>15649205
> by that definition of you there is something outside it.

not confirmed

>>15649218
I do recall him confirming an outer reality beyond our control, however he starts out saying we can know nothing of it beyond the stimuli we receive. But he then invalidates this line of thought by questioning causality itself, without which those stimuli become meaningless.
He builds the rest of his whole thesis on the premise of rejecting this kind of reason and takes the instinctual passions (such as a belief in causality) as prime concept.
Hume is very misunderstood. If you read the whole book the conclusion seems decidedly anti-empiricist. Whether he realized this himself or not is up for debate.

>>15648838
You've been on 4channel for a long time today, haven't you anon? Isn't it time to take a break?

>>15648863
Asking and answering are functions of the human mind, of language. The world simply is.

Language as a system is capable of producing 'reasoned arguments' or sequences of words that construct a cohesive image of things in the mind. Try to think of existential statements as pretty linguistic artworks rather than vehicles conveying some sort of 'truth'.

>>15648863
>fractals=reptiles
just look at this fish trying to climb ashore

>>15648838

>>15649361
>>15649439
Wittgenstein.
But if words construct an image of things in the mind, and those things are conjured up by the emanations of the theocenter (shadows on the cave-wall), then they will also bear some resemblance of the original.
Hence they very much are vehicles conveying truth.

>>15648838
The answer lies within, not without.

>>15648863
Unironically just energy and vibrations

>>15649641
means nothing

>>15649499
I've been down that road, but recently become ambivalent or neutral about the theocenter. In some sense, the image of the ultimate divinity is sort of like what happens when you mentally max out the parameters of the worldview to infinity. Like the human mind seeks to attribute a cause to the phenomena it sees, and this necessitates a singularity as the ultimate cause. The theocenter might be a center, it might be everywhere, it might be nowhere, it might be everything, it might be nothing. I feel as though identifying with and believing in a specifc metaphysical model might be barking up the wrong tree as it were.

>>>/x/

"physical"
OP, youre asking the wrong question. What determines if something is even physical or not? That you can touch it? sure. but how can you be sure that it is not just a trick by "your" "senses". What you must realize is that your search for the absolute is pointless. imagine that someone just gave you the answer in this thread. That someone was able to give an explanation of what the physical reality really was. Would you be satisfied? probably not. that is because our reality is neither physical (physical is an idea) or ideological (might not be the right word) because that is also just an idea. The reality of this universe just is. No one can point out exactly what it is. But it is still real. There is no absolute. I'm pretty sure. Just a reality in which we live in and have to accpet. We are men in a world that is not our own, a world that is much older than us and which works in ways we can not ever understand completely. I hope you can find rest even though you may never find a satisfying answer.

>>15650192
However it is still worth to note that you are of this world, a product of it. You are a part of it and your existence is inseparable from it.

>>15648863
fucking magnets, how do they work?

>>15648863
non meme answer? PLEASE GTFO, MEMES ARE REALITY
REALITY ARE MEMES

>What is this physical reality?
Physical reality is a story we made up that lines up roughly with some of the stuff that's real.
>what the fuck is this?????
Nobody has the slightest clue. I don't think you can even formulate an answer because it would always be nested in logic. So what the fuck is logic???

>>15648863
I know that feel bro

>>15648838
energy condensed to a slow vibration

>>15648863
4 fundamental forces and a shitload of energy, some of which exists in the form of matter.

>>15648845
fpbp

>>15648838

>>15648863
Literally fucking nothing. It's beautiful.

>>15648838
Until you die, there is nothing except mental sense experience. Arguably, nothing outside of your mind can be said to exist, and even your mind has no lasting existence from one moment to the next.

At any moment physical and mental phenomena like they're "here", but they never really are.

>>15648838
My personal dream is to become a full time NEET like Grigori Perelman and make some important contribution to science. Working on it. Need to acquire some bits of extra intelligence more, a better memory, then gtg. The most important aspect will be to deny any faults in my thinking processes.

>>15648863
a big protected experiment by higher more powerful interdimensional beings that we cant comprehend

>>15651711
I think so too, but the thing I struggle with is: how much are we humans involved? Some schools of thought say we chose to be here; some say we are trapped here.

>>15652197
humans are not involved

>>15648838
Hell

>>15648838
Your entire reality is a hallucination, everything you see and experience is only due to the way your brain processes sensory data

>>15651423
I'm doing this with theology.
New Age movements of the 70s failed because in part they lacked the global connectivity of the internet

>>15652582
New Age movements of the 70s failed because their followers were retarded drug addicts.

>>15648838
An illusion created by the Jews

It's a sea of intelligent awareness
You exist outside of space/time
You are the selfless self, then you are born in a vessel
This is an emotional dream

>>15648838
This is just a simulation made by an ancient civilization

>>15648838
you are a monkey in a rock floating around a star , floating around a black hole , floating in an ocean of galaxies, floating in a giant emptiness.

>>15653897
>>15652699
cant be proved

>>15648838
ENTER THE VOID

>>15653911
Causality itself cannot be "proved".
"proved" has nothing to do with it.

>>15648838
who cares lol

>>15652591
Classical religions are outdated and the devotees brainless tier.
We need an intelligent religion for the 21st century

The documentation you seek , gateway process analysis

>>15649043
conscoious will is an illusion

>>15654102
>gateway process analysis

more science words that mean nothing

>>15652699
is the ancient civilization also in a simulation? This leads to infinete regress, at some point it has to bottom out, something must come out of nothing, the question is why and how

>>15648838
A manifestation of the metaphysical by the metaphysical, aka god.

we are the aftermath of a cosmic rape in slow motion. Primordial matter and the demiurge. A shattered god that forgets why it suffers. two things that were never meant to exist together and are constantly at war with each other. we can either choose to be like sophia and get the indus valley civilization, or the more recently deposed aryan empire - or we can give in to ialdabaoth and get the world we have today. Life is suffering because it is unnatural. one side must win but they exist in balance forever. take some drugs or meditate heavily and you'll start to realize how dense and slow everything is in the world. a fleshy prison.

>>15652679
The brain is an antenna. Conciousness is broadcast to the mind. This is the reason you differentiate and say "me" "my brain" "my body".
Like a drone

>>15652573
Woweee deep dude, did you just turn 15 as well?

>>15648838
>What is this physical reality?
Your giving faggot responses to peoples answers...
just in case
Why and How Consciousness Arises
https://youtu.be/F7WF5gzPG1k

physical reality is the the stimulus that makes you conscious

>>15648838
a hologram

>>15649050
thats actually an interesting take. It discounts a lot though, but its probably still relevant

>>15648838
Crystallized dreams painted onto 4d walls of a holographic projection stream/reality tunnel.

>>15649065
you assume to know a lot about what "something" and "nothing" even are. What hes saying is that without something there to create boundaries and characterize them, "something" and "nothing" become one. What that means is up to you

http://gnosis.org/library/7Sermons.htm

read this

I've been getting the sense that reality/consciousness/whateverthefuck is starting to evolve much more rapidly. like...I don't think I'm witnessing the same thing I was 10 years ago. the organic breath of the universe is starting to feel more and more digital...like we really are living in a simulation. is it just me? might be I'm losing touch

>>15655147
Without even watching i know its nonsense. No objective science or descriptions can have anything useful to say on what the subjective is. They are quite entirely different matters of reality. We might know that we are dependent on our bodies but saying the body's objective processes create qualia is always a totally unsubstantiated leap of faith. It's like saying smell makes the colour black.

>>15655295
Literally just you, maybe step outside for a little bit and touch back with planet earth.

>>15655315
that's what's causing this feeling. it doesn't feel the same to me. I know I've changed. that's all I can say for sure.

>>15655315
desu, there's always been something kind of mechanical feeling about the universe, but in a raw organic kind of way. pic related. organic, but structured.

>>15654371
>Primordial matter and the demiurge. A shattered god that forgets why it suffers

yeah okay still doesnt explain anything lmao

>>15648838
a fren in need is a fren indeed

>>15655351
Or maybe machines have a slightly organic nature to them. Repeating structures and logical patterns are very natural given nature builds up chemistry which builds up physics.

As for psychadelic experience I never got a mechanical or natural impression from it.

>>15655351
Also I'd say that is true because when you think of the universe you think of space. We know space only through mathematics and simulations, so it will of course feel mechanical. Were you to be adrift in the cold expanse with a monstrously vast gas cloud nearby and stars in the distance it probably wouldn't feel mechanical at all.

Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

>>15648838
well to fully understand it is to be initiated. or a dedicated creep

>>15655308
>Without even watching i know its nonsense.
Cerebral narcissism identified
your identity is set to brainlet.
>It's like saying smell makes the colour black.
Your actually just parroting David Chalmers assertions about the "Hard problem of consciousness"

All of these are refuted in the talk and the paper that accompany them...do science faggot listen to a competing hypothesis...
The paper the talk is about is published in the same journal as Chamler's original paper.
I know I know as a "smart" faggot on the board you don't need things like evidence...?

>>15655737
The universe is certainly infinite given that it exists. Something cannot come from truly nothing. So even if physical latter disperses or recedes away there is always time. That's not to say it will always exist in a life supporting manner but the universe just is.

>>15648863
>what the fuck is this?????

>I NEED A SAGA
>WHAT'S THE SAGA!?
>IT'S SONGS FOR THE DEAF!
>YOU CAN'T EVEN HEAR IT!

https://youtu.be/mS8LvHT_zcQ

>>15655765
I was going to watch it for interest later anyway but there has never and by sheer definition can never be an objective prying into the subjective, they are qualitatively distinct. Endless desperate scientists try and hand wave it away "oh its just a function like a computer!" "oh it's a delusion and doesn't exist!" etc etc. The reality is this isn't something that can be worked out. We can never every but of existant physics, biology and neurochemistry and we will not have a single answer as to the what of qualia.

>>15655566
>We know space only through mathematics and simulations
we move through space and experience the flow of time
something's definitely happening

>>15649043
I remember when I turned 16 too bro. Also sage for obvious underage b&

>>15655794
*we can know every

>>15655495
>As for psychadelic experience
mfw the plants are (((talking))) to us
>wh(O)a

>>15655795
Yes but i specified i meant space as in outer space.

>>15655820
>outer space
electromagnetism is cosmic mechanics

>>15648838
>What is this physical reality?
>he doesn't know...
pic related

>>15655851
>suit him up
>strap him in
>throw him down

>>15655737
>no right or wrong
The forms that rule everyday reality are also eternal and part of that unity. If you want you flesh to live it's wrong to starve yourself. If you accept basic premises like wanting to live an immutable system of what is right and wrong emerges on top of those axioms.

>>15655870
elaborate

>>15655870
>>15655882
>elaborate

>suit him up
>strap him in
>throw him down

you didn't listen to Father and thought you knew better
now you'll live and die like a man

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

>>15648838

Here OP, a non-meme answer for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_RwcGzGurc

>>15655888
>And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation
>you're telling me I have to go back and live with these (((people)))!!!?
GOD DAMNIT!
NOT AGAIN!

>>15655888
yeah but who was angels

what are they doing

lmao its just all so .. absurd

>>15655888
>suit him up
>strap him in
>throw him down
pic related

>>15655905
>yeah but who was angels
hint: look in the mirror

>>15655905
>lmao its just all so .. absurd
admittedly it's a lot to take in at once when you've grown up in the (((modern))) world
you'll realize in time that it's true

>>15655908
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

>>15648838
idk anon i was on anti-psychotic pills for 4 years and just stopped taking them 2 days ago and your thread kinda freaks me out now. when i was on the pills i didnt give a fuck about literally anything except making money

>>15655905
It's the conceptual vocabulary we evolved. It's not that weird, there aren't even any people with dog heads. Even now every word you use has an ancient more literal meaning that was twisted into the high level abstract concepts you take for granted.

>>15655888
>you didn't listen to Father and thought you knew better
>now you'll live and die like a man
filename related

>>15655888
>"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains
story of the prodigal son
the everlasting chains are your flesh and blood (aka your physical body)

>>15655944
>Even now every word you use has an ancient more literal meaning
words are fossilized poems

>>15655864
based and 42-pilled

>>15655939
Maybe start taking them again anon. Don't confuse discussions about the weirder elements of existence for validation of mental illness, keep a level head.

>>15655802
>we will not have a single answer as to the what of qualia
For me the model proposed reduces the state space of what qualia could be.
The model which is based on empirical observation of neurology that has existed for 520 million years and exists in all vertebrates explains a lot of feelings/affect, which I would say are a large vector that contribute to qualia.

In the end what are the symbolic projections of experience that form "qualia"? that is the type of question that drove Godel insane isn't it? What are numbers? are they "real" it becomes in practical such as what exists beyond an event horizon, current models lose the ability to predict.

This kind of thing is going to be fascinating to discuss with AGI.

>>15655961
>“Language is fossil poetry. As the limestone of the continent consists of infinite masses of the shells of animalcules, so language is made up of images, or tropes, which now, in their secondary use, have long ceased to remind us of their poetic origin.” Ralph Waldo Emerson
Nice one Ralph.

>>15656001
See i doubt we can ever make an experiential AI, or at least with current technology. I have serious scepticism that experience is just an epiphenomenon to physical processes. Time and time again things are thrown at it like "brain waves show decisions make seconds before subjectice report!" which later are shown to be terribly performed and false. There's a scientific fever to remove this problem.

I think Göddel is very relevant with the incompleteness theorem, i don't think we can ever properly characterize or understand qualia. To do so would require some observing perspective outside of qualia, which we cannot have, we just are it. We can't describe a colour or a sound, they just are what they are.

Despite all that i believe, sad as it is, that qualia is fully dependent on physical structures somehow. We see that every time we sleep, or when we incur illness and age. I think the answer somewhat lies in there just being a whole side to the universe we've neglected to understand or look at, as the pursuit of the objective and science became all we know.

>>15655908
then who created god

it doesnt make sense lmao

this reality itself is just so absurd.. the mere process of experiencing THIS..

never mind all the fairy tales

>>15656092
actually heard it from Robert Anton Wilson:
https://youtu.be/pK1th-9X0cc

>>15656128
>never mind all the fairy tales
uhhh...anon...
I have some bad news for you...

>>15648838
convert to Catholicism friend

>>15656128
This, everyone seems to explain up a certain level and say 'done!' then if asked what's beyond that say it's not important. Maybe there is an eternal god who we're all a part of, but if God is you argument for why something exists then you can't ignore further questions. Ultimately things just exist. No matter where you kick the can it's just so.

>>15656128
>then who created god
it's like asking what does "space" expand into
if you're asking that question, then it's clear that you don't understand

>>15656128
>it doesnt make sense lmao
here's another hint:
>CAIN
>ABEL
CAIN-ABEL
CANNIBAL

>>15656158
Because there's no intelligible answer the question is flawed. The correct question is what should I do and the only answer accessible to everyone forever is follow Christ.

>>15648838
Physical reality is just a meme used for a more indepth classification of feefees.
Feels > reals is unironically the only viable epistemic paradigm.

>>15656257
>Physical reality is just a meme
wrong

>>15656286
Nice meme.

>>15656310
>refers to Euler's helix as a meme
anon...i...
https://youtu.be/sKtloBAuP74

>>15656319
Using the existence of recurring patterns as a justification for the infalliability of a hodgepodge of theological systems is an advice animals tier meme.

>>15656120
>sad as it is, that qualia is fully dependent on physical structures somehow
This is my position also. I just want more precision. Learning the model in the video originally linked had dramatic influence on my life. Increasing precision has non trivial results.

>i don't think we can ever properly characterize or understand qualia. To do so would require some observing perspective outside of qualia, which we cannot have, we just are it. We can't describe a colour or a sound, they just are what they are.

Yes I believe also somethings are just not describable, just like with computational complexity and quantum mechanics even with precise inputs there is still uncertainty. Plenty of room for biological/"random" systems to have a beneficial effect.

This quantum computing game produces the best results with humans and a computer! Not either by themselves. We are great random number generators/intuitive I guess.
Meet the meQuanics - E08 - Prof. Jacob Sherson (Aarhus University)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLmLdET_PhI
https://www.scienceathome.org/games/quantum-moves/

This is the best showing of what AGI can do and well it's matching animals for reasoning. In an interview the founder said the AI told him it could see faces in clouds. So there's something going on in my view.
Khosla Ventures
AI & AGI Current Implications & Future Trends | D.Scott Phoenix
https://youtu.be/Og8e1C-uqhk?t=740

>>15656384
>Using the existence of recurring patterns
is that what you call "lived experience"?
>hint: rhetorical question

is the concept of (you) just the outcome of (((recurring patterns)))?
"""recurring patterns""" is a meaningless statement and adds nothing to the topic of discussion


>>15656384
>as a justification for the infalliability of a hodgepodge of theological system
I speak from first hand revelatory experiences, of which my academic training and vocation only serve to inform

there are those who have also experienced this first hand
there's a reason Plato said your eyes would hurt when undergoing enlightenment
he wasn't being just figurative
>hint: when you know...you know

>>15656319
It's a meme. Frogs are also a meme but there really is a phenomena in reality that we reference as frogs. Our math is made up of memes that roughly line up with some of the ways the world works which gives the memes predictive power.

>>15656422
>I know because my feefees told me
Thanks for proving my point, anon.

>>15656384
you can tell that you've never studied mathematics or physics in depth if your summation of Euler is to call it (((recurring patterns)))

>>15656428
>It's a meme.
now you're back to arguing the definition of things
his statement of:
>>15656257
>Physical reality is just a meme
is clearly wrong
first hand lived experience tells you that it's wrong
hypothetical discussions that distill down to (((physical reality is just a meme))) have no relation whatsoever to a human beings experiences and are meaningless non-sequiturs and add nothing whatsoever to the discussion

>>15656449
>I know because my feefees told me
you're a luddite who didn't pay attention in school, let alone bothered to obtain a full education outside of school
how do you think scientists make observations?
>hint: they make measurements

>>15656471
You should tidy up your reddit (You) formatting.
You've yet to explain your wild leaps between empiricism and mysticism.

>>15656471
>Physical reality
There is something fundamentally real but physical reality isn't it. Physical reality is what physics describes and defines. Physics are a set of memes that model the results of very limited measurements. Very useful but a source of delusion and inner conflict if you think that's reality while constantly experiencing subjective reality which physics ignores.

>>15656507
>You've yet to explain your wild leaps between empiricism and mysticism.
that's because you're not paying attention

>7 days in a week
>7:00 minutes = 420 seconds
>420/7 = 60
>that's the time constant
>that's why our seconds count 60 to a minute and why our minutes count 60 to an hour
>that ratio holds for a reason
it's the key
>pic related
>from the Shining
>Kubrick (((knew))) subconsciously
>2*3*7=42

>come in anon
>the doors open
>take a seat
>you can "check out" anytime you like
>but you can never leave

>>15656545
Nice meme.

>>15656512
>Physical reality is what physics describes and defines
physical reality is not subservient to the study of physics
just because physics is not a complete account of physical reality does not mean that physical reality itself is a meme
Physics isn't a set of memes
it's a science
and science is a methodology

I didn't think we'd need to go over the defintion of words but it appears that we do

>>15656570
yeah you're not interested in learning
you'll be full of delusion until you drop the ego
stop playing for the crowd and learn to listen
you might learn something
until then you will continue on your current course (namely: the course of confusion)

>>15656512
>subjective reality which physics ignores
that's not true at all
try getting in a car crash and talking about the subjective reality of your experience
physics accounts for matter and motion (and since it is a human account it will, by necessity, be an incomplete account)

>>15656580
That's a rather played out meme, the previous one was better.

>>15656512
>Very useful but a source of delusion and inner conflict if you think that's reality while constantly experiencing subjective reality which physics ignores.
if you actually studied physics in depth, you would understand how the theories themselves relate to the matter and motion you perceive
a person very well studied and learned in these fields will be able to anchor the theoretical concepts to lived experiences and will understand them on a limbic level and not just "on paper"

>>15656580
>it's a science
>and science is a methodology
Science is the methodology we used to arrive at the physical model of the world which is not reality anymore than your idea of a frog is a frog. Every concept in physics is a meme someone came up with and tested to see that it matched measurements of immutable reality better than previous memes. A "fundamental force" isn't really a thing, it's a meme but a meme with more predictive power than anything else we have.
>>15656596
>try getting in a car crash and talking about the subjective reality of your experience
I can only communicate to another human using references to his subjective experience. There is no physical description of subjective experience. If you have one please publish your work and revolutionize all philosophy and neuroscience.

>>15654125
here come the determinists, fuck you

>>15656637
>I'm proud of having conditioned myself to be unable to process anything outside my already established model

>>15656678
you have no idea what you're talking about

>>15656726
Please correct me teacher. I would love to hear more about how physics describes subjective experience or how if I conditioned myself more with your bullshit I would become ascended like you.

>>15656757
>I would love to hear more about how physics describes subjective experience
ever see a rainbow with your eyes?

>>15656757
>>15656820

>>15656820
That isn't describing subjective experience. You're using the assumption of subjective experience as a basis for a description of the perceptive system which doesn't even need a subjective observer. Assuming anyone has a subjective experience is not justified by anything physics says. Physics describes a system that responds to light stimuli, there's no mention of something experiencing the process. All your physical descriptions can only ever describe p-zombies.

>>15655566
that's not what I think of when I think of the universe. mathematics is just a logic based language anon. it's used to describe something. I'm talking about the experience of something.

>>15657047
>That isn't describing subjective experience
are you implying that vision is not a subjective experience?

>>15657047
>description of the perceptive system which doesn't even need a subjective observer
you do know that observing the experiment changes the outcome and that this has been proven (a la wave-particle duality of light)

>>15657047
>Physics describes a system that responds to light stimuli, there's no mention of something experiencing the process
my original statement still stands true:
physics is an accounting of matter and motion
>physical reality is not a meme

>>15650298
>Physical reality is a story we made up that lines up roughly with some of the stuff that's real.
spoken like someone who never studied it in detail and has only a passing knowledge of physics
it's directly correlated to your experience of reality and is more than a story

Unironically a better conversation on reality, the universe and subjectivity than you'd get on any other board. /sci/ is full of brainlets studying chemistry, /pol/ is too esoteric and would just talk about god and reptilians and /lit/ would just ad hominem every referenced figure.

Truly a top tier board.

>>15657089
>Truly a top tier board.
Yup
glad you had a good time. I'm going to follow some of your replies to the original posters...food for thought I'm guessing.

>>15657083
>are you implying that vision is not a subjective experience?
You either don't understand the point or more likely are being obtuse to protect your fragile ego which doesn't motivate me to elaborate. A description of a physical system that processes light input and makes decisions based on them doesn't imply in any way subjective experience. An objective alien observer of humans modelling the world only based on physics would never make the leap that these processes have a subjective experience. Even if we have a complete model of the human mind and how every part relates to every subjective experience it still doesn't describe the phenomena of subjective experience.
>>15657083
>spoken like someone who never studied it in detail and has only a passing knowledge of physics
You keep saying this but you never demonstrate the slightest understanding of physics at all. When you tried to define it you even contradicted yourself in the incoherent way you do. I don't have a physics education but I'm using the Feynman definition of what physics and he demonstrated more understanding of the subject to me than you.

>>15657202
>I don't have a physics education
we know

>>15657202
>You either don't understand the point or more likely are being obtuse
I'm saying you're wrong
namely you're wrong in calling physics a "story"

>>15657202
>I'm using the Feynman definition of what physics
his teachings for the public are simplifications and useful for introducing laymen to the topics
however his formal lectures and textbooks, particularly his breakdown of QED, are where the real knowledge is
furthermore, Feynmann called Euler's equation the jewel of physics for a very good reason (it's why I refer to it here for those lurking and contributing to this thread)
Feynmann realized a lot of troubling things through his journey in academia and physics
his full story is not publicly known
he figured out Tesla was truly correct and that Einstein was wrong
and he couldn't say anything about it because he knew he would be silenced for it
so he played the "physics jester" and was a swinger and was given a pittance for playing his part
it's also why Hawking was a paraplegic cripple

oftentimes when people get close to the truth, they are first given an offer, if they don't go along then they are silenced and threatened to go along, and if they still persist then they are usually maimed, poisoned, castrated, or killed. Look at Tesla, Turing or Aaron Swartz (M.I.T. media lab)

>>15657202
>You keep saying this but you never demonstrate the slightest understanding of physics at all
studied physics undergrad and quantum information graduate working on superconducting josephson junctions for quantum computers (yes the military was involved due to the cryptographic nature of the research)

>ctrl + f "dmt, lsd"
>0 results
Proud of you guys so far, but it's only a matter of time for as long as the thread stays up.

>>15657311

>>15657311
>>15657324
Moses took the 42-pill
admittedly it wasn't an easy pill to swallow...

>>15657297
>you're wrong
And you're not self aware. What do you think your motivations for these long posts saying nothing but "u r rong i am physics god" are? You still haven't corrected anything I said, I read QED and watched every single lecture but the level of physics education is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how fine grained your descriptions of the causes of your limited measurements are. More likely a lifetime of conditioning within that already established framework makes you unable to even conceive of the problems with your own model just like I said before.

>>15655872
Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

>/biz/
>/b/
>/b/iz

dont try to deny it

>>15657423
You can do what you want but you always face the consequences. The more requirements we have the larger the set of rules grow. If you want to live then eat. If you want communities then do a million things right.

>>15657453
/b/ is just porn. /biz/ is more like /r9k/ than anything.

>>15657362
>And you're not self aware
the entire argument started when you said the following:
>>15650298
>Physical reality is a story we made up
that is a non-statement and is wrong and plainly not true

>>15657362
>More likely a lifetime of conditioning within that already established framework makes you unable to even conceive of the problems with your own model just like I said before.
written like a pleb
>(((lifetime of conditioning)))
you didn't study these topics in the structured environment of universities, laboratories, experiments, R&D for corporations, etc. and as an attempt to disqualify my formal education and vocation you call it conditioning since you didn't undergo the laborious task of dedicated study, testing and, certification
people voluntarily pay me a lot of money to apply my scientific expertise, training, education, and skillset to their problems
you can't say the same and your rebuke is to call my knowledge (((conditioning)))
and you have to say I'm not self aware

Furthermore, my studies and my thinking on the matter have put me in danger
scientists like to claim they are open to criticism but history proves that this is not the case
they will threaten, blackmail and even murder people that go against the scientific dogma
>pic related
>the absolute state of modern day (((scientists)))

https://youtu.be/JKHUaNAxsTg

>>15657545
>that is a non-statement and is wrong and plainly not true
There's no reason for the qualifier "physical" unless you're referring to the physical world defined by physics. Reality exists but what's commonly referred to as the physical world is a representation of reality, a made up story. Just like your perception of a frog is a limited story made up to represent the real phenomena. To students of physics this should be obvious since he first step to advancing physics is coming up with a hypothesis, a made up narrative that conforms to the data.
>another post with no relevant content
You can't address anything I'm saying. All you have is muh education.

For Young Anons, Cheatcodes for Adulthood.

1. You are valuable. Even now, within you, exists enormous, untapped potential.
2. Take care of yourself. Be your own father and mother in adulthood. Appreciate the things you do for yourself.

3. Physical reality is the highest authority.
4. The universes operates on cause and effect.
5. Balance is the universal law.
6. Change is the universal constant.

7. What you choose to believe changes how you perceive reality. (Confirmation Bias)
8. Breathing is the most important thing you’ll ever do.
(Practice mediation. Sit in a comfortable position and pay attention to your breathing, thoughts and emotions will occur, accept them and return to your breathing. Over time deepen and slow your breath. (“theta” binaural beats are a useful shortcut))
9. The most important decisions you’ll ever make is how you choose to eat, sleep and exercise.
(Whole-food, plant-based diet with healthy fats (eg. nuts, virgin olive oil) and proteins (eg. beef, eggs, fish).)
(Set aside 9 hours for sleep every night. Have an hour of relaxation beforehand. Caffeine can cripple sleep.)
(Lift weights and do HIIT cardio. Give yourself ample time to recover and stretch often. Do your facepulls.)

>>15657671
>There's no reason for the qualifier "physical"
to put it as simply as possible: physics is an accounting of matter and motion

>>15657671
>Reality exists but what's commonly referred to as the physical world is a representation of reality, a made up story
the "physical" world is not a "representation" of reality
the "physical", aka the material world, corresponds to matter and motion

calling the study of matter and motion as the equivalent to a "made up story" is an asinine statement

>>15657671
>You can't address anything I'm saying. All you have is muh education.
if you're serious I would highly recommend Roger Penroses' book "Road to Reality" and Maxwell's book "Matter and Motion"
http://strangebeautiful.com/other-texts/maxwell-matter-motion-1925.pdf

>>15657750

10. People are inherently and oft unalterably illogical. Generally humans are tribal and think according to the herd (Ad populum).
11. To understand some one look to their motives, and then their history. Only trust somebody to do what they’ve done before.
12. Our species has a natural inclination to create false dichotomies in an effort to understand a world too complex to grasp.
13. Attractiveness, ability and humour are everything in the social sphere. Attractiveness is a by-product of good health.
14. Talk sense to a fool and they’ll call you a fool. You can’t help somebody who doesn’t want help.
15. Knowledge without application is meaningless.
16. Everything is made of patterns, if you understand those patterns, you can manipulate them.
17. To fully understand something look at it from as many different perspectives as possible.
18. The ego is just a necessary tool for survival, it’s an illusion which changes over time.
19. Inner peace is not being a stone beneath the sea, it is to sail the surface and feel free.
20. It’s better to play with the hand you have, rather than the hand you wish you had.
21. One can not be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain.
22. An intelligent mind can entertain ideas without accepting or rejecting them.
23. Friendship and family give life more meaning that philosophy ever could.
24. Specialization of skill is good for the economy but not for the individual.
25. Niceness is often a refuge of the weak however it feels good to be nice.
26. Endorsing your appreciation of an action is to promote that behaviour.
27. Hope can be as crippling as fear yet can also lead you to salvation.
28. You have the absolute freedom to choose what you’re enslaved to.
29. Insults can often reveal more about the donator than the recipient.
30. Lust is akin to a drug that corrupts logic, it’s often called love.
31. Doing nothing can be more productive then doing something.

>>15648838
>physical reality

>>15657750
>>15657771

32. Love is grown through the shared collection of experiences.
33. Randomness, chance and probability are human inventions.
34. Creatine and Lion’s Mane are worthwhile, safe nootropics.
35. There is no such thing as free, everything requires a cost.
36. Exposing yourself to a fear will eventually eradicate it.
37. The key to strength is the understanding of weakness.
38. Mastering the basics is the heart of real achievement.
39. Good/Bad, right/wrong are subjective by definition.
40. If you’re smart, you either win or learn, never lose.
41. Permanent happiness is a fictional state of being.
42. Nothing is original, creativity is cut and paste.
43. Honour your parents while they are still alive.
44. Paths to enlightenment are often demonised.
45. Lying is a highly useful and valuable skill.
46. Reality>Imagination; Actions>Thoughts.
47. Discomfort is an intrinsic part of growth.
48. Genius lies in understanding simplicity.
49. Contentedness is the core of happiness.
50. The key to freedom is responsibility.
51. Money is a currency of opportunity.
52. Repetition is the way of discipline.
53. Destruction is a form of creation.
54. Doubt is a means to intelligence.
55. Laughter can save your sanity.
56. Pain is an opportunity to learn.
57. Knowledge grants power.
58. Drugs are simply tools.
59. Listen to learn.

60. Death is final, absolute and inevitable.
61. You could die tomorrow. You could actually die tomorrow.
62. Death gives life purpose.
63. The purpose of life is to survive and reproduce.
64. There is no objective meaning to life, meaning is a human conception.
65. The subjective meaning of life may be whatever you choose.
66. Time and energy are finite currencies.
67. Every moment you spend is an investment.

68. You are simply a point of consciousness (with limited control) observing the largely automated operation of (an inherently flawed) biological machine as it reacts to it’s environment.
69. Enjoy life.

>>15657771
>forgot pic

>>15656203
based schizo poster

>>15657755
>calling the study of matter and motion as the equivalent to a "made up story" is an asinine statement
It's an apt evaluation that corrects the common trap of physics that you've fallen into. You think physical reality as described by physics is reality which means you're confusing narratives with reality. The more you immerse yourself in these narratives the more you're in danger of conditioning your mind to be unable to think in any other terms. Calling physical reality as describe by physics as a made up story emphasizes the role of hypothesis which encourages progress. Buying your own stories just means you stagnate.

>>15648838
>>15655151

hologram theory is very interesting, as multiverses

The physical reality is the atomic scale of mass that constitutes matter which is defined scientifically within a construct for a framework of sanity.

In other words, when one gets too creative describing the medical condition of derealization to a psychiatrist, one might get hospitalized.

>>15657509
The third density is, by its very fiber, a societal one. There are societies wherever there are entities conscious of the self and conscious of other-selves and possessed with intelligence adequate to process information indicating the benefits of communal blending of energies. However, the societies before veiling did not depend in any case upon the intentional enslavement of some for the benefit of others, this not being seen to be a possibility when all are seen as one. There was, however, the requisite amount of disharmony to produce various experiments in what you may call governmental or societal structures.

jesus christ, you scared little faggots are really holding onto these mathematical memes for dear life

>2x2 =4 LMAO I FIGURED OUT THE UNIVERSE

no mate you didnt figure out anything. science is bullshit.

>le big bang happened out of nothing tee hee hee
>lel everything is vibrating with atoms!

fantastic. now i truly see

>>15657866
>You think physical reality as described by physics is reality which means you're confusing narratives with reality
Wrong again
I’ll keep repeating myself
>PHYSICS ACCOUNTS FOR MATTER AND MOTION
You keep falling back to semantic arguments and definitions of words and I have to keep repeating myself
Physical reality, by definition, related to the study of matter and motion (aka materialism)
You’re conflating my definition of physics with my worldview, as is typical of a layman who doesn’t know what he’s talking about and instead ascribes YouTube videos to education and calls my formal training (((indoctrination)))
>ask me how I know I’m arguing with someone under 30
>rhetorical question

>>15657981
So what does all this physics nonsense prove..

nothing.. does not account for any of lifes absurdities or provide any answers

>>15657922
>2x2 =4 LMAO I FIGURED OUT THE UNIVERSE
pic related

>>15658025
unironically useless quote

>>15657922
>2x2 =4 LMAO I FIGURED OUT THE UNIVERSE
>>15658043
>unironically useless quote
people have been killed for this knowledge
https://youtu.be/NNIWMX-r7iU

>>15648863
you want some mcdonalds wagie link marine to explain life to you? seriously?
ok let me try, you're the sum of a shit ton of molecules that formed a structure (dna) that attracts molecules like it then divides thus ending with two dna molecules, this process and a billion years of trial and error made almost all dna forms extinct except a few, amongst this few fewer constituted the emergent system (where the result is bigger than the sum of its parts) that is known as humans, among these humans some small % carries the long nose gene in their dna, and this long nose gene makes you want to destroy all other competing races, and do it in a way that is truly disgusting, convince those races they're equal, then mix the shit race with the good race, and when everyone is shit race (because there are more of the shit race), then control this shit race and become overlords... and there are also some humans who use a computer to communicate in memes and know about the long nose tribes, and the other humans call those humans incels, plus there is a new frog with rainbow hair that explains this really well, and he's called honkler

>>15650231
>fucking magnets, how do they work?
https://youtu.be/3O8Jt0Ccizc

>>15658082
based schizo hand tattoo retard

>>15648838
AAAAHAHAHHAH
IM
IM
GUNNA
COOOM
AAHAHHAHAHA IM COOOOOOOOOMING

>>15657981
>You keep falling back to semantic arguments
No you kept repeating that my statement is wrong without elaborating unless you count your rants about how great you are. So I elaborated on the intended meaning of the sentence far beyond what's reasonable.

Physical reality as described by physics is a narrative with predictive power. A guy thought of the story that the sun is a light source rotating around us which roughly fit observations. The whole story is updated all the time and now it very accurately fits all physical measurements but it's still just a story that completely ignores fundamental properties of reality like qualia. Long before that some fish with shitty vision assumed every shadow was a predator, that story was the same type of made up story that physics tells just with far less predictive power.

>>15658089
>ok let me try, you're the sum of a shit ton of molecules that formed a structure (dna) that attracts molecules like it then divides thus ending with two dna molecules, this process and a billion years of trial and error made almost all dna forms extinct except a few,

lmao babbies first meme reality definition

that is such a played out meme

im asking.. what the fuck is this.. this existence

i dont want to hear about your vibrating atom memes.. it doesnt answer anything

The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation. Infinity became aware. This was the next step. Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.

The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned due to freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity. This was the first and primal paradox or distortion of the Law of One. Thus the one intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness. Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration, thus, is free to continue infinitely in an eternal present.

>>15658132
>A guy thought of the story that the sun is a light source rotating around us which roughly fit observations
Copernicus did
and he made the claim without knowing beforehand, he said he was inspired by divine revelation and that essentially God told him (seriously)
Galileo and others proved him correct only years later

>>15658132
>No you kept repeating that my statement is wrong
that's because it is:
>>15657671
>Reality exists but what's commonly referred to as the physical world is a representation of reality, a made up story

>>15658132
>without elaborating unless you count your rants about how great you are
I elaborated it right here:
>>15657755
>the "physical" world is not a "representation" of reality
>the "physical", aka the material world, corresponds to matter and motion
>calling the study of matter and motion as the equivalent to a "made up story" is an asinine statement

>>15658004
>So what does all this physics nonsense prove..
>nothing..
>>15658043
>unironically useless quote

pearls before swine comes to mind...

>>15648838
Fiscal reality*

>>15657922
>2x2 =4 LMAO I FIGURED OUT THE UNIVERSE
>>15658004
>So what does all this physics nonsense prove..
>nothing..
>>15658043
>unironically useless quote
pic related

>>15658189
>the "physical" world is not a "representation" of reality
Just repeating that I'm wrong without elaboration again.
>the "physical", aka the material world, corresponds to matter and motion
The physical world as described by physics corresponds roughly to limited measurements in real life like the idea the fish had of a predator corresponded roughly to its real life. I mentioned how the made up story does roughly fit reality in the first post you had a problem with.
>calling the study of matter and motion as the equivalent to a "made up story" is an asinine statement
Just repeating that I'm wrong without elaboration again. Please correct me if you can. Just getting triggered and saying no all the time supports my theory that you're completely brainwashed by your own bullshit.

>>15658256
pic related

>>15658238
>pearls
>more bullshit /x/ tier images

>>15658250

touché

what is fiscal reality

start with the birth certificate

>>15658189
>Copernicus did
>and he made the claim without knowing beforehand, he said he was inspired by divine revelation and that essentially God told him (seriously)
>Galileo and others proved him correct only years later
How can you claim that's not a made up story that only roughly matches reality and is valued for its predictive power?
Also I was referring to Ptolemy or whoever he stole it from, I used him because the error is more obvious but it was still the best story they had at the time.

>>15658282
without elaboration again
Physics is the study of matter and motion
what else needs to be elaborated? that statement is clear and concise and leaves no ambiguity
your stories, however, add nothing to the discussion

>>15658314
>/x/ tier images
magnetic field density
electric field density
>/x/-tier
the absolute state
>filename related
>see with your eyes, not with your mouth smoohtbrain

>>15658349
>magnetic field density
>electric field density

yeah, and ? What does this prove about my current senses being aware in this reality? Is does nothing to aleviate the absurdity and awe of the situation

>>15658324
>How can you claim that's not a made up story
because it turned out to be true
would you call the photoelectric effect a (((story)))?
science is not story (no matter how much the shrunken heads on the moving picture box say so)
science is a methodology
and physics is the study of matter and motion
science and physics are not (((stories)))

>>15658355
pyramids were most likely power plants
ancients knew far more about the nature of reality than we think

as an interesting aside:
Newton figured out they were lying about history for at least 500 years by tracking the movements of the constellations and seeing historical archives and realizing there was a mismatch between the archives and his predictions for their positions (backwards and forwards in time)
he even wrote a book about it:
https://ia800604.us.archive.org/24/items/A298154/A298154.pdf

>>15658349
>that statement is clear and concise
It says absolutely nothing relevant. It doesn't relate to anything I'm saying. The way we study matter is by making up stories that fit measurements and extrapolating using the ones with predictive power.
>>15658360
>because it turned out to be true
His story wasn't accurate, you wouldn't call his model true today because new information invalidates the entirely made up story. The point is even more obvious with Ptolemy. I no longer believe you don't understand what I'm saying. You're just so full of yourself you have to play out these defense mechanisms.

>>15658360
>would you call the photoelectric effect a (((story)))?
Yes you braindead faggot. It's a story that accurately describes and predicts our measurements of a real phenomena. Science isn't a story the stories you make up are.

>>15658381
>power plants
power for what
for le alien mey mey?


>he even wrote a book about it:

yeah, nah.. im not reading 400 pages + of autism

summarise it in two sentences or fuck off

>>15648838
>tfw no success at anything
who the fuck picked or chose or whatever this simulation for me i don't fucking like it because i'm a fucking loser
shut id down, now
do it, bogdanoff faggots

>>15658381
There are two main functions of the pyramid in relation to the initiatory procedures. One has to do with the body. Before the body can be initiated, the mind must be initiated. This is the point at which most adepts of your present cycle find their mind/body/spirit complexes distorted from. When the character and personality that is the true identity of the mind has been discovered, the body then must be known in each and every way. Thus, the various functions of the body need understanding and control with detachment. The first use of the pyramid, then, is the going down into the pyramid for purposes of deprivation of sensory input so that the body may, in a sense, be dead and another life begin.

If you will picture with me the side of the so-called pyramid shape and mentally imagine this triangle cut into four equal triangles, you will find the intersection of the triangle which is at the first level on each of the four sides forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal. The middle of this plane is the appropriate place for the intersection of the energies streaming from the infinite dimensions and the mind/body/spirit complexes of various interwoven energy fields. Thus it was designed that the one to be initiated would, by mind, be able to perceive and then channel this, shall we say, gateway to intelligent infinity. This, then, was the second point of designing this specific shape.

>>15658408
>The way we study matter is by making up stories that fit measurements
Why do you obfuscate, with semantics, concepts that are simple
You unnecessarily complicate it by calling it a story
We don’t (((make up stories))) when we develop physical theories (forget the modern day “scientists”; they are nothing but whores and mercenaries for hire who will advocate for whatever you want, given the right price and research funding)
>pic related
Its not a story, it’s called math
The language of physics is math
Unless you want to now go further and call math a (((story)))

>>15648863
>aliens
They're called The Greys and they look like this.

>>15658424
>summarise it in two sentences or fuck off
the eternal zoomer everyone
>this is your brain on coom

>>15658421
>Science isn't a story the stories you make up are.
>>15657671
>Reality exists but what's commonly referred to as the physical world is a representation of reality, a made up story
you type a lot and yet you say nothing

>>15648845
Don't post before the comedown starts, fag.

doesnt nobody finally ultimately can say like one paragraph that i will say wow thats fkin true but instead its just muhh jizzem feet

>tbqh ONE harmony will 100x now its on core exchanges (lastly hiitbtc)

>>15658505
>the eternal zoomer everyone

the eternal time waster everyone

>>15658561
>calls studying Newton a waste of time
hol' up
we got a (((wise guy))) in-the-house...

>>15658568
nothing the cunt said makes reality clearer, it just distracts people even more

>>15654084
Lmao this is masonic arrogance at its finest.

>>15658474
>semantics
You're the one obsessing about semantics instead of acknowledging the simple point. In my original post I made a separation between our descriptions of reality and reality because people (like you) confuse them.

>Unless you want to now go further and call math a (((story)))
How hard is it to understand that the shit you make up is made up even if it aligns with reality in some way?
The same goes for math. The rules that allow us to run math in our heads or in computers are the same that result in real things being describable using math but that's not the same thing as saying math isn't made up. If a story conforms to rules that reality does it's still a story.

>>15655420
I thought I was pretty clear with my /x/ schizoposting. tl;dr we're abominations created by aliens and forgotten about for a while but they're back now (since renaissance) and they like to fuck with us for fun sometimes. Also all history is a lie before 1900, and even after that there's some big lies. There is no hope in the traditional sense but you can learn to honk along.

>>15658596
>Newtonian mechanics is a distraction
Unbelievable
Is this the power of amerikkkan edukkkation?

>>15648838
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhvUEyaANS0

>>15658869
reality has many layers that our retarded ape bodies can't perceive. take some shrooms and you'll kinda see. perception of time gets stretched out and compressed, it's because it's not a constant. now imagine a being that lives in this realm and higher permanently that gets its kicks from making you suffer. that's what we're up against and why life is so balls. It didn't have to be this way but jews and masons worship these things and facilitate them interacting with the rest of humanity.

>>15658841
>If a story conforms to rules that reality does it's still a story.
Here we go with the story angle again
>if I turn on my cellphone and the electronics are working, is what I’m seeing just a story?

>>15658869
>Also all history is a lie before 1900
Based

>>15658880
Newtonian mechanics are irrelevant to the question and the book is on history and the occult not mechanics.
>>15658938
>is what I’m seeing just a story?
Always. Your perception is not reality and will be altered by whatever narrative you filter it through. Even though you have enough mastery to create it your narrative about how the cellphone works is just a story that never completely accurately reflect reality. Your idea and perception of a frog is not a frog.

>>15658869
The first of those to come here were brought from another planet in your solar system called by you the Red Planet, Mars. This planet’s environment became inhospitable to third-density beings. The first entities, therefore, were of this race, as you may call it, manipulated somewhat by those who were guardians at that time.

The race is a combination of the mind/body/spirit complexes of those of your so-called Red Planet and a careful series of genetical adjustments made by the guardians of that time. The characteristics which were encouraged included sensitivity of all the physical senses to sharpen the experiences, and the strengthening of the mind complex in order to promote the ability to analyze experiences. The changes were of one purpose only: that to express in the mind/body complex those characteristics which would lead to further and more speedy development of the spiritual complex. These entities arrived, or were preserved, for the experience upon your sphere by a type of birthing which is non-reproductive, but consists of preparing genetic material for the incarnation of the mind/body/spirit complexes of those entities from the Red Planet.

>>15658956
the fact that the phone is working as designed is more than a story
it's physics made manifest
the phone will work regardless if you can sense it or not is the point and has nothing to do with perception and even less to do with it being a story
a clock ticking, and the underlying physics of its mechanism is more than a story

fundamentally you're saying that physics is invented, whereas I'm saying we are in the process of discovering (same thing with math)

>>15658956
>your narrative about how the cellphone works is just a story that never completely accurately reflect reality
either your cellphone works as intended or it doesn't
in this case it's independent of the observer
it definitely does not afford you the claim that :
physical reality is not a representation of reality when physics makes no such claim
the only claim physics makes is for the accounting of matter and motion
you're ascribing the claim to physics equating physical reality to your nebulous concept of an "objective reality" and it therefore being a "story" when no such claim was made
the one and only claim physics makes is this:
>science is a methodology
>physical sciences is the practical application of this methodology to the study and accounting of matter and motion
and nothing further

>>15656471
Based 42. Good to see you. I thought of you a few days ago when I came across these articles serendipitously. I’m sure you can make use of them:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614259/an-important-quantum-algorithm-may-actually-be-a-property-of-nature/

https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.11213

>>15656507
Not to detract from the conversation but 42 is an OG. Lurk in the relevant threads (!).

>>15659133
The numerical simulations show that the walker localises around a defect in O(√N) steps with probability O(1/logN)
>mfw doing the quantum walk

>Biologists were equally dismissive, saying that quantum processes couldn’t possibly be at work inside living things.
>Since then, an increasing body of evidence has emerged that quantum processes play an important role in a number of biological mechanisms. Photosynthesis, for example, is now thought to be an essentially quantum process.
>physicists dunking on biologists again, nice
those bloody (((biologists)))
just wait until they find out that their fairytale called evolution is a fraud
there will be gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair (with me laughing in the background)

>>15659167
>>15659133
dope paper
>pic related

Worse case it’s unknowable.
Best case it’s a dream/illusion pay attention to signs that exist

>>15659192
>>15659167

>>15659079
>the phone will work
And the frog will croak. You really are proving my point about conditioning. I asked you to correct me but you will never even get the point to attempt to correct it.

>>15659110
>physical sciences is the practical application of the scientific method to the study and accounting of matter and motion
>doesn't say anything
>and nothing further
Great job.

>>15657836
Love your post. Copied, pasted, typed and will unironically be ordering a framed version. Thank you for this

>ctrl+f "thomism"
>0 results
im disappointed

>>15659241
you're adding an extra unnecessary layer by referring to it as a "story" when there is no need to
how is that difficult to understand?

>>15648838
We are nothing but a product of chance. The alternative to our existence is... not to exist.

>>15648838
An accident that while get solved pretty soon

>>15659331
*will

>>15659295
Fuck you and your braindead goalposts. You're trying to create a false STORY that elevates the stories you like to be equivalent to objective reality. It's the same motivation you had for attempting to convince me and yourself that physics includes a description of subjective experience. Referring to them as made up stories is an honest way to describe physics and all mathematical models. Do you feel like that threatens your status as priest of the church of physics?

>>15659049
based alien poster

>>15659383
Damn you sure are committed. Too bad you use your energy for the wrong reasons, tell me anon, how much LINK do you have?

>>15659383
>Referring to them as made up stories is an honest way to describe physics and all mathematical models
No one refers to them as stories (not counting evolution, that’s a fairytale)

>>15659383
>priest of the church of physics?
You’re arguing with a strawman you constructed
I’m simply saying I’m more qualified than you to speak about physics specifically due to my education, training, and vocation
Nothing controversial about that statement

>>15654084
Not an argument.

one time i saw a post on /pol/ about how the entire world revolved around feeding black people fried chicken so they get fat and propel the medical industry to figure how to fix them which depends on the insurance agencies, debt etc.

basically the meaning to life is to feed black people chicken.

By the way if there are some aliens observing earth wouldn't they also watch 4chan ?

>>15660818
Probably not so much as intel agencies.
Who really knows, how would that even be relevant?

>>15660788
The power and beauty of God, used by evil men. There's a reason that fried chicken sandwiches and processed sugar is cheaper than organic vegetables, and its not because they are cheaper to produce.

>>15658869
>>15658932

Yeah i believe something kinda the same, carbon life is too suspiciously canned from its birth, but what can be done about it? i feel blood and flesh empowers you to live with more power but in the end it's just vain because life in itself is wretched and if you want to live to its fullest you need lots of blood and meat

>>15659110
>>15659079

hey bro do you realize how gps work? newtonian physics are just abstractions, literally everything is made through numbers made out of experimental tests, your first class of mechanics of materials say that to analyze any system you have to take in account the deformation in the system, and guess how you measure that...

>>15657810
>70. BSV is the real Bitcoin

>>15661428
They seem to have a neutral stance with us and don't intervene directly in human politics. But in that case using an anonymous board like 4chan would be a possible way for them to act in an indirect way.

>>15657771
>23. Friendship and family give life more meaning that philosophy ever could.
>21. One can not be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain.

Smells like cope and bad decisions

>34. Creatine and Lion’s Mane are worthwhile, safe nootropics.

Top kek enjoy balding

>>15661487
>newtonian physics are just abstractions
what they describe is not

>>15661610

elaborate

>>15648863
we come from the ultimate creator. Created to learn and experience we are one yet live under the illusion of self. We are here to learn and evolve spiritually to a higher density until we return to where we came. Hidden Hand interview for those more curious

>>15661620
matter and motion are not abstractions even though our description of it comes down to notation and nomenclature the thing it's describing transcends simply a "story" given how the other anon described it:
>>15650298
>Physical reality is a story we made up

>>15657810
>69. Enjoy life.
nice
also:
>>15657777
NICE

>>15657865
>based schizo poster
moon bog poster

>>15661662
How have you been fren?

>>15661730
not bad, been hosting some friends and just got back from an outing
going to clock out for the night, tired from all the festivities
glad to see you around
all this FUD has been fun to see, quite a lot of people have beef with chainlink and absolutely do not want to see the team do well
I wonder why...
>hint: they have a financial incentive to make sure a system like chainlink is never
implemented
how's it been going with you

>>15661662

I don't understand what you mean, are you trying to say there is more than maxwell equations because of free energy or some shit? the phasor is an abstraction because it has no direction (its not a vector but a scalar) but we manage as if it had direction like a vector

or you mean in a kantian sense the triangle is a prenoumena thing instilled on the mind pre-conciousness? i think you are confusing the fact that we understand geometry because it comes already in our system when we become conscious rather than it's inherent to the universe, however newtonian physics are related to the cartesian inertia plane, and space-time is bounded to another level of consciousness that's not cartesian at all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space

>>15661753
>space-time is bounded to another level of consciousness that's not cartesian at all

>>15661753
>I don't understand what you mean, are you trying to say there is more than maxwell equations
the speed of light itself can be derived from maxwell's equations

>>15661768

>>15661775

>>15661768

Do you think time is bounded by saturn or some shit? like saturn has a magnetic pulse that bounds time in earth

>>15661781

>>15661788
>Do you think time is bounded by saturn
time is bounded by light
for example:
Sound can be encoded as geometries and symbols as illustrated in the video below:
https://youtu.be/wvJAgrUBF4w
As shown in the video, symbols can be used to represent sounds and sounds can be used to represent symbols (geometries)

In much the same way light waves create the geometry of time through which we perceive motion as shown in the tesseract scene of interstellar (pic related)
https://youtu.be/TMxJnoPOFkg
You can (visualize) what it would (look) like if you could move through time as if it were another temporal dimension

It would be a kaleidoscope of fractals with you in the center and your whole field of view would be filled with slices of space in distinct times that you could move through similar to this picture

notice that the separate slices of time in that scene of the tessereact in interstellar are bound by light beams
light bounds time, in an analogous manner to the sound waves on the drum bounding the geometrical patterns we see

>>15661788
>>15661798
>Sound can be encoded as geometries and symbols

>>15653926
mfw the plants are talking to us when we smoke them...

lol i don't know fag why are you asking me?

>>15661801
>Sound can be encoded as geometries and symbols
https://youtu.be/Sh2-P8hG5-E

>>15661842
42
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/07/three_cubes_problem/
>3 cubes problem

>>15661853

>>15654084
we have one, its called the technological singularity

>>15659383
Imagine being this retarded

>>15661872
sup

anything

new

with

you?

Summary Findings

The stand-down of SADABA YEAR left SNRI with a number of sophisticated sensor assets that were applied to scientific questions with assumption of retroactive authorization. Investigation has produced preliminary evidence for major breaches of isotropy in the subspace domain. Puzzlingly, follow-up investigation of cosmological data detects signs of teleonomy in some traits of the space/subspace interface. SNRI requests additional funding and access to strategic computational assets to determine whether these findings may be of military interest.

Specific Findings

The physical universe can be described as a subset manifold of subspace — traditionally, a bubble or sheet adrift in a larger space. Active battery transits conducted with SADABA YEAR surplus NNSI detected adjacent manifolds, supporting Bardakci et al. and numerous others.

Teleonomic inference detects tantalizing similarities in the organization of these manifolds, from high-level symmetry breaks down to astronomical structure. The similarity may continue to smaller scales. Inference suggests shared causal history until a time, tau-break, within the past several billion years (present inclusive). These nearby manifolds may be identical to or only minimally divergent from our own.

>>15662129


NNSI wake sensors detect subspace transit activity between these manifolds. This opens the possibility of causal action between manifolds. The origin and provenance of these transits are unknown but see Centaur/transit 21. Depending on the degree of causal drift since tau-break, observation of nearby manifolds may provide previously unavailable data on historical counterfactuals.

Initial active battery transits detected a local comoving constellation and echos of other structures at the same scale beyond the horizon of instrument resolution.

Repeated active battery transits detected a massive isotropy break within the local subspace volume. Team members nicknamed the direction of this break the 'wow vector' due to the unexpected magnitude and statistical significance of the signal. Local manifolds appear to be moving away from this vector in a loose dispersal constellation. The wow vector may represent a historical origin point and a possible reason for shared causal history.

Some team members suggest that refraction patterns and probability slopes along the wow vector are evidence of manifold necrosis.

After mathematical work outside the scope of this precis, data from NNSI investigation of the wow vector was applied to teleonomic analysis of the space/subspace interface. Results suggest traumatic isolation of our manifold from a larger structure within the cosmological timeline. However, REDTEAM counteranalysis argues that this is in fact a reverse-read of an earlier event in which multiple manifolds joined.

Teleonomic analysis of the joining and isolation events may suggest an engineered event (but see REDTEAM 8.8b).

>>15655971
Good call

>>15648913
If the theocenter's so great, why did it eminate things apart from it in the first place?

>>15648863
Origin split into everything you see, I am you and you are me, we are one and one is all, poo poo pee pee existence is a prison.

>>15662325
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together?

>>15649641
Kinda this, just in a less hippy wording

>>15661751
Good, I've been suffering my own impatience, and dealing with everything but overall im good. God is good, you are right though, they really are bucking hard against us.
Pic related
>you will never make me sell!!!!!!

>>15657750
>>15657771
>>15657810
Fucking retard, this is elementary.

>>15662788
If it was so damn elementary then the world would be a better place. Now either read the thread and learn/contribute to the thread or fuck off faggot.

>>15658381
care to elaborate on that?

>>15663023
Means that civilians have been lied to about the technological advances of man.

>>15648993
There can only be something because there is no nothing

Retarded Americans have entered the thread it seems.

>>15661556
>Smells like cope and bad decisions
Projection, you're the one coping.

>Top kek enjoy balding
Only if you're per-disposed, plus even if you are the benefits outweigh the one unproven negative.
>Higher testosterone and better memory

>>15662788
That's the point, I dunno if you can read:
>48. Genius lies in understanding simplicity.
It turns out common sense is not common in the slightest.

>>15657545
based fellow enlightened physicist. I didn't know you had a physics background 42.

>>15657297
But Hawking is a fervent atheist, no? Or is that him playing his part?

>>15658082
he's wrong at 7:21 that number is 3*phi, not phi^3.
But interesting video.

>>15663522
as in, phi + 1 + 1 +1/phi = 3*phi, not phi^3. The number is wrong.

>>15648838
A training simulator that creates a deep understanding of the concept of propagation. Maybe some other concepts too but I cant think of them.

>>15655908
Why do artists draw lucifer with bat wings?
he probably had owl wings like the rest of the angels

why does this board attract schizophrenics so much?
this thread is worse than listening to a word salad rambling in a mental asylum

>>15662252
because it can become greater yet.

>>15662252
>>15663951
incidentally this is also the reason for the existence of evil

So as i thought you faggots have not had anything valuable to say apart from posting diagrams and le reddit physics "im so smart" mey meys

science is as bad as religion - blind propoganda without meaning


Im not talking about "what physics makes le earth turn around the sun 20 times" or "how a clock works is equal to the great quantum laws" you fucking faggots

im referring to the mere existence of this. this experience.

>>15664341
none of these shits in this thread is science, so don't form an opinion on it based on the schizo rambling here

>>15657894
>>15648838
https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?c=Cosmology

>>15663039
The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.

>>15663233
And what great land might you hail from dear coomer?
You will never come close to the glory of the USA.