/biz/ - Business & Finance

>my boss is rich because he deserves it!

>>15612031
>i deserve things

>>15612042
>I'm poor and i defend the rich because i see myself as becoming rich one day

>>15612013
>tfw MBA is useless
>mouthy CPA zoomie starts bossing you around
what do YOU do, boomers

>>15612049
>I'm poor and I don't like it so let's make everyone poor

>>15612049
>I'm uncontrollably envious of others to the point of violence

Hello.

Let's recognize that while the system is inherently unfair, its a better alternative to some other systems that have been used throughout history.

If you live in the first world, your quality of life is substantially high. This does not mean that you will be successful, but you have alot of good economic opportunities.

>>15612058
>everyone will be poor if we make things a little more equal
that's so fucking retarded lmao you really listen to what your jewish boss says?

>>15612068
>>15612058
>dude bella delphine is so valuable she deserve it all
>no dude i am useless and shitty and deserve to live in shit whereas my boss is great and valuable, if he were to not have a third yacht to pay for his workers healthcare then how could i know how sitty i am

>>15612031
>>15612042
>>15612049

>NOOOOOOOOOO
>PEOPLE LIKE ELON AND JEFF DON'T DESERVE TO BE RICH
>WHO CARES THAT THEY BRIND OUR CIVILISATION FORWARD
>THATS NOT FAIR IF THEY ARE RICH AND IM NOT

>>15612094
this, literally cuck mentality

>>15612081
>YESSSSSSS
>SOZALISUM WAS NEVER DONE RIGHT BEFORE WE WILL
>THIS TIME IT WILL WORK

>>15612081
>>15612094
Artificially making things more equal reduces incentive for people to start businesses or take high tier positions that require 60-80 hour work weeks.
Just git gud

>>15612094
>NOOOOOO
>PEOPLE CAN'T SPEND MONEY ON THINGS I DONT LIKE!

>>15612094
>YESSSSSS ITS SO UNFAIR THAT INCELS PAY FOR HERE SERVICES
>WHO CARES THAT INCELS PAY MONEY VOLUNTARY FOR DOPAMIN
>WE SHOULD TAKE HERE MONEY AWAY

Yet another fantastic business discussion on my favorite Mongolian economic analysis forum

>>15612147
>>15612167
lmao take a look at these wagie bootlickers

Start mining while its free.

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Use code: MCLERA for 25% more interest

>>15612013
First time OP made me kek in a while

>>15612013
>"usability"
>earnings
In an average corporation you're a random grain on the gaussian distribution of cogs aka workers. Your usability can't even be directly measured.

>>15612186
>YESSSSSS
>LETS JUST CALL THEM WAGIE BOOTLICKERS
>SO THERE ARGUMENTS ARE INVALID

>>15612119
>bro my boss jerks off and tells me i am a loser for 60-80 hours a week he is so valuable
>what do you mean his position of authority is almost entirely abitrary and the extra time he puts in is completely unnecessary
>just because every major developed country on earth has shorter more streamlined work weeks doesn't mean that helps in the creation of wealth. BESIDES I NEED NEED NEED MY MASTER TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO
>what do you mean i could do that myself i need him to manage me
>>15612147
>>15612167
>BRROOO I AM GONNA NEED YOU TO APOLOGIZE TO THE INCELS. THEY HAVE NEEDS AND COSENTED TO PAYING FOR BATH WATER, YOU JUDGING THEM IS EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC IT DOESN"T AFFECT YOU BRO LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!

>>15612227
you're literally a bootlicker though

>>15612190
Very smooth ranjeesh. Very smooth lmao.

>>15612228
Poor argument. There are exactly zero companies on Earth that don't have a boss.

>>15612117
>dude i can't own my own labor i am actually retarded i need a rich jew to do it for me. things will fall apart if they let retards like me run things

I have a hard time thinking some people are actually saying this unironically

>>15612245
>bro eveything on earth has a hierarchy of competence that is why the ceo who sits in his office and smiles all day is valuable
>lISTEN SNOWFLAKE don't you know the system your criticizing is very common how could you critique something if it is big.
tiny souled brainlets sure do love defending their handlers

>>15612223
>>15612228
>>15612249

>YESSSSS
>ELON MUSK WHO TAKES RESPONSIBILITY OF 5 COMPANYS, 1000 OF JOBS AND OF THE SHARE HOLDERS IS JUST AS USEFUL AS IM AM
> WE ARE ALL EQUAL AND WE SHOULD ALL HAVE THE SAME MONEY

>I'm a stupid idiot, i need my boss to manage me! He deserves to be much richer than I am even though the workers literally do all the work!

>>15612271
>lISTEN SNOWFLAKE don't you know the system your criticizing is very common how could you critique something if it is big.
It's not that it's common. It's that it's literally every company. A company with no leader is impossible, unless AI eventually replaces the role. For whatever reason, people are hardwired to live in hierarchies, there's no escaping it.

>>15612273
>Dude elon musk has a lot of money and authority therefore i don't deserve money and authority it all makes sense.
>he works hard shitposting on twitter and scamming people with technology that doesn't work
>labor theory of value is dumb but also elon musk put alot of effort in so he earned it.
>i just love the epic science man he works hard and is smart, you don't seem to get it I AM A RETARD I DON'T HAVE VALUABLE SKILLS I DESERVE TO BE BELOW HIM, we can't collectivily act to better our world because we are too stupid that is why epic science man is in charge of our futures.

>>15612299
based
>>15612291
cringe

>>15612271
> NOOOOO
> ITS NOT FAIR THAT I HAVE TO CLIMB A HIERARCHY OF COMPETENCE
> PEOPLE WHO ARE SMART USEFUL AND HARD WORKING SHOULD NOT CONTROLL THE WORLD
> I JUST WANT TO SIT AT HOME AND BE A FAT LOSER BUT ALSO BE ON TOP
>THATS NO FAIR

>>15612291
of course leadership is necessary but these leaders us their power to exploit other people. it is the nature of unchecked non-servile leadership. they will inevitably end up only serving their own personal power fantasies and make you patsies in doing so. if you really believed in hierarchies of competence you wouldn't allow wealthy grifters like musk or bezos whose sole innovations were "make the people below me work harder and for less". if you really believed in hierachies of competence you wouldn't want greed minded people in power you would want savants to have autonomy over their various industries which is inherently anti the system we currently have

>>15612323
>the world is fair and the people who are rich truly deserved it for their hardwork

>>15612013
>NOOOOOO
>PEOPLE WHO GREW UP AMONGST STREETSHITTERS WHILE I WAS GIVEN FIRST WORLD EDUCATION ARE MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN ME
>GOBBIRMINT SHOULD BAN THEM FROM COMPETING WITH ME

>>15612323
>YOUR A BASEMENT DWELLER FOR WANTING TO CONTROL YOUR OWN LABOR
>MISTER NOSEBERG WORKED HARD TO GET WHERE HE IS TODAY IF YOU WORKED HARD YOU COULD HAVE IT TOO YOU JUST NEED TO PULL UP YOUR BOOTSTRAPS AND DO IT

>>15612299
> YESSSS
> HIS ROCKETS ARE NOT THE CHEAPEST OR THE MOST POWERFUL AND THEY ARE NOT REUSABLE
> ALSO TESLAS ARE NOT ELECTRIC AND THEY DONT HAVE ONE OF THE BEST AUTO PILOTS
> AND PAYPAL DOSENT EVEN WORK (i never tryed is because i dont have money)
> YOU ARE SO RIGHT

>>15612347
>BRO i love cheap tacos i need my slave army ot work for pennies to do it
>what do you mean it is exploiting them it is more than they would have got at home. and before you say it having them stay home and improve their own economies wouldn't work because how would i get tacos

>>15612049
>>15612031
>>15612279
>I'm poor and I love wallowing in filth so I want to drag everyone else down to my level

>>15612074
unironically based

>>15612333
>of course leadership is necessary but these leaders us their power to exploit other people. it is the nature of unchecked non-servile leadership. they will inevitably end up only serving their own personal power fantasies and make you patsies in doing so.
That is the reward for taking responsibility over an entire company. There is your incentive to do it, and yet you choose to complain that you can't do it instead of playing the game.

>if you really believed in hierarchies of competence you wouldn't allow wealthy grifters like musk or bezos whose sole innovations were "make the people below me work harder and for less".
Read their biographies and find out who they really are.

>if you really believed in hierachies of competence you wouldn't want greed minded people in power you would want savants to have autonomy over their various industries which is inherently anti the system we currently have
That would be nice if it were possible.

I'm not saying the system is perfect, but it's the only one that actually works. It's what's responsible for the computer you're using, the roof over your head, and the endless supply of food.

>>15612369
>elon musk invented electric cars
>what do you mean his cars literally explode and have killed five people that is just a conspiracy
>what do you mean he fakes his rocket inspections
>what do you mean he tried to purchase an icbm tried to trick us into thinking it was his invention but got conned out of it on the way
>what do you mean that his rockets burn up and crash several times more than other testing rockets including india
>what do you mean musk never actually made these innovations and he just got other people to do it for him while he shit posted on twitter

>>15612438
> YESSSS
> WHO CARES THAT HE IS WORKING 80-100 H A WEEK AND IS DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND ECONOMICS ARE USELES
> AND WHO CARES THAT EVERYTHINK YOU SAID IS FALSE BECAUSE MY FEELINGS OF JEOLAOUSY TRUMP FAKTS
> HE SHOULD BE POOR LIKE ME

>>15612389
>this is what the retard takes from the post
cringe

>>15612420
>you are a basement dweller fuck you. you could be in charge of space x if you just worked hard.
>jeff bezos started his buissiness with 300'000 thousand dollars from his parents, his brilliant concept of "online bookstore" rocked the world
>this buissiness was stock purhcased by barnes and nobels out by barnes and nobels who feared competition
>with this money he decided he could do the same with music and movies
>this failed but the fucking cia decided he was too big to fail and gave him fucking 600 million dollars
i will admit elon musk is actually quite bright and has some unique ideas but he is largely a meme and a shill.

>>15612474
what. lots of people work 80-100 hour weeks and who cares if he has a degree. literally none of the things i just said were false.
https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-rate-is-more-than-triple-that-of-luxury-cars-and-likely-even-higher-433670ddde17
who sells a shoddy sensationalised product. he is a meme. also i am not poor.

>>15612526
>what are loans
>what are bootstrapped startups
>what are startup accelerators or seed funding

>>15612228
>JUDGING THEM
Cope. I never said don't judge them, you absolute loser.

>>15612543
> bezos got any of these things
>bootstrap start ups make up the vast majority of hyper successful buissiness
>bezsos failed buisiness deserves to make other people's lives worse because he was given 600 million dollars by CIA niggers
fucking glow niggers.

>>15612570
>bro i never said don't judge them
>i simply meant to say passivly accept their anti-social behaviour that makes life worse for them and everyone around them
>you don't have to like it you just have to accept it, you can be as pouty as you want
you have got a faggot mindset buddy

>>15612571
> bezos got any of these things
One man.
>bootstrap start ups make up the vast majority of hyper successful buissiness
It's an option at your disposal if you have the IQ to make it happen.
>bezsos failed buisiness deserves to make other people's lives worse because he was given 600 million dollars by CIA niggers
I don't know about you, but Prime delivery makes my life better.

I lost all my respect for this "Bezos" guy when he said that he wants to put trillions of people into the solar system, just to create more mindless consumers which will waste the ultimately limited resources we have here. "Let's scale up our current retardation." I'll pass.

>>15612049
>>15612186
watching people like you seethe always makes my day better

>>15612606
That because you're a cuck and love pleasuring your bull

>>15612588
>bezos literally fails to succeed at his buissiness and gets bailed out by CIA NIGGERS and it all started with mom and dad
>small business succeed and fail entirely based on the business owners ability and not if they are acceptable to larger markets or networks. despite it being proven that large amounts of capital are insanely more effect for protecting and perserving businesses and that almost all small businesses fail due to under-capitalization
>my onions is brought straight to my door so having people work insane hours in horrible conditions for shit pay is worth it
>I AM A CONSUMER NOT A PRODUCER MY DESIRE TO CONSUME OVERCOMES MY DESIRE TO BETTER THE WORLD

>>15612542
Ok.. and?
Model 3 is the best rated consumer car
model s and model x have a 5 star safty rating
yes electric car burn sometimes BUT the rate is significantly lower the ICE cars

the point of this thread is that people who give us amazing products and services who literly (PULLING OUR CIVILISATION FORWARD) are going to be rich
and if you want to become rich you need to do the same

also there is no other system that is better

>>15612582
>other people fucking up their lives is my problem

Only a socialist thinks this way, because only a socialist feels every person is their responsibility and by extension everyone else's responsibility as well. Faggots like you create welfare systems and socialized healthcare that keeps the absolute bottom of the barrel people alive at the expense of everyone else.

>could be colonizing space rn but instead we're going to babysit niggers and losers

>>15612618
>small business succeed and fail entirely based on the business owners ability and not if they are acceptable to larger markets or networks. despite it being proven that large amounts of capital are insanely more effect for protecting and perserving businesses and that almost all small businesses fail due to under-capitalization
Shit happens, git gud

>>my onions is brought straight to my door so having people work insane hours in horrible conditions for shit pay is worth it
Amazon is giving them a job. The alternative is nothing.
Don't like it? Quit.

>I AM A CONSUMER NOT A PRODUCER MY DESIRE TO CONSUME OVERCOMES MY DESIRE TO BETTER THE WORLD
I don't know if you get it yet, but I'm actually taking action to not be a wage slave.

>>15612649
>only socialists want to improve other people and condemn bad behaviour
>>15612648
i don't really trust the ratings, the products aren't that great and musk is not pulling humanity forward. almost everything he does is a fucking meme. people who pull civilization forward are always neglected by the culture at large no where is this truer than in the fucking name of the very car that he makes. tesla was a neglected genius his whole life whose works were ignored because some grifter business man who had no idea about what his things would do only that they were his and he would fight other peoples to get his to the top. this ultimately created an inferior product, ruined a man who sincerely attempted to improve the world. elon musk and jeff bezos do not give us superior products they are all hype who make what little they have off of others innovations. this is one of the most common themes in the western world, sulk, borlaug, burnell and thousands of other inventors you likely will never hear about. they are less visable because somebody else took ownership over their creations. there is a better system you just can't imagine it

>>15612653
>my company was undercapitialized it had nothing to do with my own merits as a provider creator
>git gud
>if you don't like being exploited go somewhere else
>i understand i own all the market and have all the power and decide that you ought to live in dirt and have no oppertunity for upward mobility, thus making it impossible for you to leave the cage i built for you

and how exactly do you intend to do that, buying stocks or something. don't you understand the system is not made for you to escape it, it is built to keep you bound to it. i really do wish you escape wage slavery as i am trying a similiar thing but i seriously doubt they just allow us to leave off our small time investments. the point is all the power has been agrigated into the hands of people who didn't actually earn it and they aren't just going to give it to you, because other wise people with real merit would already be at the top. do you really believe all the retards in power are good. is the status quo really so sweet to you

>>15612703
> musk is not pulling humanity forward
im not even gonna read the rest
i honest dont undersand you
do you say stuff like that to feel better about your self?
he is literly doing 10 things that are imposible at the same time

>>15612774
>HE IS SO EPIC I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE GONNA BE SKEPTICAL OF MY HUSBANDO

>>15612703
To the degree of control you want over it, yes. You absolute fucking commie faggot. If you want to force people to behave a certain way in your society beyond crime prevention you have to enact socialist fucking policy and grow the government giving it more power. This shit is so fucking elementary. The only people you should be focusing on is family and friends. Or if you're such a bleeding heart faggot (and it sounds like you are) volunteer. Stop picking up the gun in the room (the government) to try and make society how you believe it should be, faggot.

>>15612804
fuck you, you degenerate pussy i am tired of living in another place to shop. i can use force if i want to and i will beat up any pussy faggot who drinks a gamer girl bath water

>>15612822
Spoken like a true socialist.

>number of days volunteered: 0
>number of times advocated for larger socialist government: over 9000

>>15612299
Labor theory of value got BTFO within living memory by Belle Delphine

Did you ever stop and think that by permabanning everyone in these kinds of threads before they 404,the board would improve?

Wild stuff really

Lol marx and keynsian brainlets still arguing about which of their stupid schools is worse?
Join Hayek masterrace.

>>15612755
>and how exactly do you intend to do that, buying stocks or something. don't you understand the system is not made for you to escape it, it is built to keep you bound to it.
No one places any limits on how much money you can make for providing a good or service that people want.
> i really do wish you escape wage slavery as i am trying a similiar thing but i seriously doubt they just allow us to leave off our small time investments.
U too brah
And I would say that it doesn't have to be a small time investment. If I make it in 10 years then it's better than nothing.
> the point is all the power has been agrigated into the hands of people who didn't actually earn it and they aren't just going to give it to you, because other wise people with real merit would already be at the top. do you really believe all the retards in power are good. is the status quo really so sweet to you
Of course nothing is perfect, but the fact that it's working well enough to afford us modern luxuries is pretty great.
Maybe if I was forced to work shitty jobs beyond my youth then I wouldn't think this way, who knows.

>>15612703
>some grifter businessnan who had no idea about what his things would do
Holy shit, being this much of a redditer and believing this about Edison.
Stop believing these childish dichotomies about the world

>>15612755
You socialisty fags tend to talk about the "system" and how it's not made "for you"
When the system is not "made" at all
The systems of society that we have now are gathered together through time and edited as we try to make them better for everyone
Why do we do this?
Because people don't live forever, and when they die their ideologies die with them, having the chance to mutate in the ideologies of their children
So every generation picks up the reigns from the one before it, and as is the human tendency to want to be better than your parents, they try to make the system less evil if they think they can
It just happens too slowly for short-tempered revolutionaries to stand

Communism is a mental illness.

>>15612013
Remember that some youtube thot is making more money than you doing ASMR.

>>15613604
>ITS SO UNFAIR THAT A THOT IS FILLING THE DEMAND OF A NICH MARKET
>AHHHHH I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE
>TAKE THERE MONEY AWAY I NEED IT MORE REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15612180
god l hate this board so much

>>15613604
Eh, someone has to take the beta bucks.

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>>15612013
I earn well over 100k and I just don't agree with this idea of "useful". I do absolutely nothing at work and so do a majority of the people i work with.

Each and every one of you is brave and intelligent and special

>>15616138

Anyone have rich laughing Pepe walking by homeless meme maker wojak