/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>15551653
None. We beat up Satan and steal the Million.

The chance for eternity is wayy too high, anyone knows it's better to not have been never born, so the correct answer is just to not take the wheel at all

The correct answer is 7 times, but I don't expect any except maybe 1 or 2 of you to be able to say why.

>Satan appears
Throw holy water on my fists, pray to Jesus for strength and beat the fuck out of him.

Never try to make an honest deal with a dishonest being. Even if you won he will never let you leave without being harmed in some way.

I've gambled enough to know my luck. I would pass.

>>15551653
illuminati have already sold their souls in exchange for riches on this earth

Fuck satan and fuck you

Assuming the spin isn't fixed, which isn't beyond Satan. I'd spin it 100,000 times. You could safely spin it billions and billions of times but that would end up causing so much inflation your money would be worth nothing. But with $100B I could put a fuckton of money into environmental causes and energy research and maybe give us a slight chance of not completely destroying the planet.

Spin 1000 times and market buy link. 1k eoy

>>15551778
They did not sell themselves, the families with ties to the Venesian hidden hands are here to do the job they were contracted to do.

>>15551653
I know grams number is just STUPID big. MANY TIMES GREATER than the number of atoms in the visible Universe. But there is 0% chance I would spin that wheel.

>It’s Satan
>There is a high probability the game is rigged or the odds are not as favorable as advertised
>Also, you are gambling an eternity of anguish
>No amount of money is worth risking that, no matter how slight you think the risk is
>Also, there is probably some Awful condition imbedded into the game - “winning” a spin does something terrible to your life etc

>>15551701
>7 spins
Must be some gay math shit or you are just superstitious; and believe in numerology. The correct answer is ZERO

>>15551653
Zero. You don't play games with Satan

>>15551701
Tell me why you think 7 is an optimal saddle-point.

I would go with 8,000 spins, for $8B, thus controlling 0.01% of global GDP. Because I like round easy numbers.

>>15551653
How do you even calculate that chance? There's not enough entropy in the whole universe to get a random result with enough precision.
If I have to spin it physically I spin it 2048 times, the added value of additional million starts to drop quickly after that

>>15551885
What the fuck do you need 2B for? You need pull your head out of your ass. You could live comfortably wisely investing (and living modestly) with 1M. With 15M you could raise a large family and not even live modestly. You would just have to wisely invest 50% of it.

What is the point of 2B?

>>15551928
I would start a longevity research foundation

>>15551879
Never play the enemies game. NEVER.

>>15551653
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number
fuck you and your math bs you massive nerd kys

>>15551933
Like China and the head transplant surgeries and the abominations they are creating? You wouldn’t like it so much if you knew what the SUPER rich are really doing. They are ghouls.

>>15551928
Buy islands and jets and yachts

>>15551951
cell rejuvenation + cybernetic implants

>>15551952
No point. They are all just endless money pits. For a few million, you could travel the world and live carefree. All you would need is some restraint and wise investment.

>>15551653
You could spin for all the money in the earth and probability is still 0 you lose. You could spin once every second for a whole lifetime and still be 0 probability of losing op is idiot

>>15551956
I’m not bashing all science, but men have been searching for a fountain of youth/health since time on earth began. The global elite are already doing what you describe anon. It’s not the kid-friendly version that you describe through.

>>15551971
and how would you even know about what the global elite is doing?
>but men have been searching for a fountain of youth/health since time on earth began
we are only beginning to have the necessary technology

>>15551928
>What is the point of 2B?
to shit on people with. its probably good im not rich.

>>15551963
It’s not zero you absolute mongoloid. The number gets closer to zero as the “size of the wheel” increases. It never reaches Zero.

>>15551963
> spins the first time
> right as the losing number come up, a fly comes out of nowhere, lands on the wheel, and jams the wheel on the losing number.
> Oh, sorry, house wins.

>>15551653
>Satan appears to you and offers you a gamble.
Congratulations your now a crypto “investor “

>>15551984
Its mathematically 0 every creature ever to exist in the entire history of the universe could spin since the beginning of time and continue spinning billions of times per second and it still wouldnt hit

>>15552010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoQTvHNqrHc

>>15552010
>It’s mathematically zero

Not sure what gay math you are referring to, but it is NOT zero. You are rounding the number down to zero.

You could spin it ONCE and it might land on the fabled number. This is not a math problem. It’s a logic problem

>>15551792
Shut the fuck up with your global warming bull shit!

>>15552085
The prize could be $0.000000000000...000001 a googleplex zeroes and you could still spin with 100% certainty and become a quintillionaire. No unit of time or money or physical units that we know of exist to make the probability not 0 you can split time as much as you want and spin as many times as you want and still not reach this numbe

>>15552115
What you are saying makes no sense. You are rounding down to zero. The possibility is not zero.

>You could roll until the end of time

I’m not sure you realize how long forever is. You are describing “forever,” which is just another way of saying “infinity.” Which number is bigger? Infinity? Or Graham’s number???

If you roll forever, you will hit Graham’s number. You will probably hit it an infinite number of times.

What's going to happen is satan will conjure a giant wheel with "hell" in red letters covering a tiny sliver of the board and "Million dollars" covering the rest. He'll spin the wheel like wheel of fortune and then it will spin around for a while. Eventually, the sound of the spinning will fall to a click click click that eventually lands on the hell sliver. Satan will say "Better luck next time chum!" and a portal will open that will send me to hell.

Thankfully, my best friends and my love interest will go to hell and beat the devil in a wacky adventure, freeing my soul but forcing me to learn a valuable lesson about sin.

So I refuse to take the deal. I take my love interest out to chuck e cheeses and fuck her cunny instead

>>15551792
>that would end up causing so much inflation your money would be worth nothing.

Just hide your money then nobody will know it's inflated

>>15552153
A modern day Sisyphus. Just replace the stone with the wheel of chance.

>>15552153
Lol fag trying to measure infinity with measurable units of time

>>15552165
I’m a /pol/ tard. There is a ZERO% chance I will abandon this argument. This nigger is rounding down to zero. Fuck him. He won’t admit there is actually a chance you will land in the cursed number

Your
Very
First
Spin

>>15552177
Time goes on forever

>>15552186
Agreed, am also a /pol/tard. Here's how I guessed it would happen... >>15551992

>>15552186
There is a chance, its zero

>>15551971
I would marry aqua and pay for our wedding with link

>>15552227
Yeah. You are rounding down to zero. The idea hurts your head. What is 1/10,000??? It’s a small number. Let’s look at that on a wheel. It’s a big wheel. What you are visualizing is actually just the number 10,000. You are visualizing 10,000 units of something compared to 1.

The chances of it hitting the fabled number on a wheel the size - 1/10,000 isn’t very high, but it’s certainly possible. It could hit the first time. Right?

Now let’s look at a larger wheel - Graham’s wheel. The odds of it hitting the evil number the first spin is not zero. The odds are actually 1/Graham’s.

Look at expected value of spinning. 80 years of luxury nearly garunteed = finite. Infinite amount of suffering / grams number = infinite amount of suffering. Expected utility of spinning the wheel is negative infinity.

>>15552227
It's infinitesimally close to zero but still nonzero

>>15551778
faust is real

>>15551653
>you can repeat this as many time
so im practically guaranteed not to be tortured in hell?

>>15552105
didn't even mention global warming lmao

>>15551806
how do you know this? also being “contracted” by satan is literally the same thing as selling your soul

>>15551653
Calc I niggers in this thread talking about expected values and probabilities when there is no physical matter in existence which would ever hit this number you would spin an entire millennium of lifetimes as often as you want and still zero chance to hit number

>>15552348
>zero chance
There we go again.

>>15551979
>and how would you even know about what the global elite is doing?
Through leaks, and information they published.

They dont try to hide what they are doing. What we are able to tell about elites come from what they publicly publish. Read about what Henry Ford, the Bilderberg Group, Free Masonry, what Aldus and his Grandfather have written about a world governments and a world society. They cannot help themselves even with Elon Musk and his recent unveiling of brain technology that you would have sewn into your brain.

Not to mention the multitude of public documents that have been released by the CIA, FBI (who are being funded by the Fords of the world)....etc detailing different procedures they would medical/ physiological experimentation performed on people.

I would pick up the books ‘A Game of Nations’, Bilderburg Group, Programmed to Kill to gain a better understanding of how elites and alphabet agencies work.

>>15552368
>Through leaks
Alex Jones is not a reliable source, anon.
>his recent unveiling of brain technology that you would have sewn into your brain
I absolutely would if it worked well.

>>15552348
The odds are 1/Graham’s that you will hit the number on ANY individual spin. It is not zero.

Zero would mean there is no “wheel” and no “game” at all. Think about it this way. If you spin the wheel an infinite number of times, will you hit Graham’s number? Of course you will. If you can land on that number, the odds are not technically zero. Humans and computers just can’t properly express the exact odds.

>>15552385
It's the hot hand fallacy. If you flip a coin 99 times and get heads every time, you can convince yourself that tails is due to come up, but the odd will still be 50%

>>15552375
>list Sources as Henry Ford, The Bilderberg Group, Cia’s own publicity available files
>muh alex downs
Never once mentioned Jones you fucking brainlet. How about you read the rest of my comment before responding. You come off as a illiterate dumbass. You know what dont. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.

>>15552385
>1/Grahams number
Yeah 0, we got it.

I would spin it like a trillion times. Idk if you retards realize just how fuck huge grahams number is that makes it basically no risk. And then with that much money I can create a better world.

>>15552420
Yes I'm sure Henry Ford is a good source for state of the art biological engineering research in the XXI century.

>>15552358
Your math is no good here, this is a philosophical problem

>>15552425
Yep, so you pony up to Satan and say "sure, I'll play that game".

And then you land on the hell card on the first spin, and then spend an eternity trying to figure out why you didn't realize it would end that way all along.

What if i told you, that the odds of satan appearing with this offer, are already in the 1 number per graham number

>>15552411
Could make a program to randomly pick larger numbers. Today’s larger computers could offer bigger sample sizes.

>Randomly pick a number between 1 - 1 trillion or much bigger. See how often the number hits per number of attempts. Willing to bet it’s about a 1 - 1 ratio.

>Per 1trillion attempts, once was the number reached.

Law of large numbers should kick in eventually. I’m sure this has been tried. We have some very impressive hardware that can handle larger numbers and larger sample sizes

>>15552426
The question answered was “how do we know what the elite are doing”
Is seems you cannot read.

>Biological engineering
The Huxley family are known for their support of eugenics. Aldus’s book he predicted a utopia that has eradicated the nuclear family and natural human reproduction---thus solving a population crisis. Which match up to modernity’s problem with families and china’s genetically engineered crisper babies.

That just off the top of my head and will be the last bit of spoon feeding im going to do. This conversation is too high brow for someone like you.

>>15552452
I admit that I am risk adverse. So since their is still a chance, no matter how small, of losing; and since the stakes are my eternal soul; I would choose not to play.

>>15552452
there isn't even enough matter in the universe to store the information to write out grahams number

>>15552411
Nah m8 you've been brainwashed by sterile academic probability. Remember that toy probability problems don't extend to real life.

Just examine the probability of a fair coin (50% H 50% T) showing heads 99 times in a row. The probability of that happening is 1.5e-30. That's one expected event in 6.3e29 events of flipping a coin 99 times.

Lets say it takes you 10 minutes to flip a coin 99 times and record the results. That's 1.2e25 years of coin flipping. If you had all 7 billion members of the human race in on this, that's still 1.7e15 years for 99 heads in a row to occur once by chance.

In real life, someone tells you a coin showed heads 99 times in a row, you don't naively assume the coin is fair. The probability the coin is fair based on the observed data approaches zero.

Live in the real world. Don't cuck yourself with toy casino problems. That's how you set yourself up to get assfucked by unexpected events. And don't even get me started on using Gaussian distributions as a basis for economics models.

>>15552159
based & humblepilled

>>15552479
>Is seems you cannot read.
I know exactly what you're saying - that you pulled all that information completely out of your ass.
>The Huxley family are known for their support of eugenics
oy vey, call the ADL.

>>15552489
You couldn’t preform this experiment with Graham’s number. Computers can’t store Graham’s number or anything like that. But you could do with with smaller numbers. You could “Spin a wheel” with 1T slots. Or maybe more. You could get more data anyway. The real question is, how many times could you get the computer to “spin the wheel.”

>>15552508
>jews are against eugenics
>thinks he will survive
bet you’re a mutt also.

>>15552521
>jews are against eugenics
why do you think eugenics fell out of favor just after world war 2?

>>15552533
https://academic.oup.com/jlb/article/2/2/469/826237
https://www.timesofisrael.com/messianic-jews-to-nigerians-youre-not-real-jews/
They openly practice eugenics in Israel shit for brains, do you only get your information from memes? They only practice dysgenics in states that are not Israel.

>>15552490
Ok. What you are saying is true, but the law of large numbers exists for a reason. If you do see a coin flipped even 40 times (and landing heads), everyone will question the conditions.

>Is the wind blowing?
>Is the coin rigged?
>Is the coin-flipper Jewish?

You will just be using Occam’s razor at this point, because the most likely explanation is that you are being cheated.

BUT. Every now and then..........

I think few people here realize how incomprehensibly large Graham's number is. You could spin the wheel every millisecond of your life, or even every nanosecond of your million year long Singularity-enhanced life, and the odds of it landing on Satan's space would still be effectively zero.

>>15552186
The odds of you landing on the number are less likely than you winning every state lottery every year for the next thousand years. You could spin that wheel until you die and you wouldn't even come close to any realistic chance of winning. You are billions of times more likely to get hit by a plane falling from the sky rn than you are to lose that spin.

>>15551653
why have people created this myth that hell is satan's domain? Like he created it or something and uses it as his playground. Hell is God's creation and he controls it. Satan wants to avoid it more than anyone else. It's a place of eternal suffering for all those who refuse the salvation of Jesus Christ, Satan included.

>>15552348
Shut the fuck up, you won't convince me satan.

>>15552579
I know it’s much much bigger than the number of atoms in the visible universe. I’m not stupid. I can’t see the whole thing, but I can tell that it’s fuck awful huge. The number is astoundingly large. No human, or known computer can store it or visualize it.

>>15551653
The Bible and Warhammer 40k novels taught me to not make deal with demons.

>>15552301
This. In every moment we split into infinite new timelines of every single way a quantum potentiality can collapse. If you spin there WILL be a universe, in fact infinite universes, in which the hell outcome comes about. These universes will make up 1/Graham's number of the probability density of the outcome, but 1/1-g64 of a probability distribution times finite utility is still less than 1/g64 of a probability distribution times infinite disutility. In the total utility calculus of all potential existence, you are incurring an infinite loss. This is most likely why Satan is offering this bargan, even though almost every possible future "you" will win, and thus you will be tempted to take the bargain, it will still result in the integral sum of Anon throughout all timelines to equate to infinite disutility, essentially signing your multiversal self to the mathematical equivalent of hell no matter how much joy you have in every other timeline.

>>15551653
don't because satan is a liar you fuckhead. Plus if he was real then it would prove that some kike is the creator and his (himself) kike son is real.

The universe will literally repeat itself countless times before you spin this number, it's literally zero chance. All the matter in the universe will be in the same position it is now in 10^10^10^10^10^1.1 years which if you divide this by grahams number is ~zero in any physical measure.

>>15551653
I tell Sergey to fuck off because I've already bought all the link I can.

>>15551653
Based on many years of research, I'll unironically tell you how to avoid hell, which is very real.

Do your best in word, thoughts, and actions, to be as kind and loving to as many people as possible.

>>15551653
It's a trick. You go to hell for making a greedy deal with satan, so all outcomes of playing are a net loss.

I'm already in hell

>>15552725
I appreciate you admitting you were wrong. It takes a big man to do that. I’m glad you now realize that it is possible to land on the evil number.

Let’s review: now matter how “big” the wheel gets, it is possible to land on “the jackpot.”

I’ll accept a detailed apology now. You don’t have grovel too much

I’ll accept a detailed apology now.

>>15552725
Or you could literally spin it the first try. Don’t believe me?

Spin it an infinite number of times. I bet you hit Graham’s number.

>>15552908
why bro?

>>15551653
Spin it once just because too much money will make you depressed and complacent

>>15551883
7 is the last digit in Graham’s number

>>15552908

how many spins did you get through before it caught you?

>>15551792
>he thinks he's smart
>he doesn't realise you can very effectively hide trillions using bonds and property in intelligent ways

>>15551653
Ok ok guys you're too smart for me. How's about this, you spin once and you get 1 million bucks, however there's a 1 in (0.1* 10)^graham's number * graham's number...graham's number of times.... that you suffer for graham's number in years.
Reply 'spin' if you accept my terms.

>>15551653
No thanku Satan I already own 30,000 chainlink tokens, so fundamentally I am already worth $30,000 x graham's number

LINK $ 1XGRAHAM NUMBER EOY

>>15553657
Spin. I like rolling the dice

>>15552159
Based and cunnypilled

The real answer is to never stop spinning until you die. Why you may ask? I mean if you did even land on the number you could probably laugh your ass off at how unlucky you are for the rest of eternity knowing that even with literally the logic and rationality stacked with you, you lost the game. Insert clown image here
>>15552159 based

Sorry boys... gimme a sec. needa find meh glasses

>>15552159

>>15552164
>>15553635
> they think they are smart
They don't realize that investing in bonds/ property will inflate all asset prices --> inflation in consumer prices. Even if he keeps it hidden it cash it will lead to inflation once he starts spending it.

>>15551683
Kek, this.

>>15551653
Satan doesn't have the power to send me to hell' he's lying to me. The odds of going to hell rise to 100% on the very first spin.

SKROOOOOOOUUUPPP PURP PURP PURP PURP PURP _++++++++

>>15552164
so satan pays you in btc or monero?

>>15551653
>tortured in gruesome ways for eternity.

This is what everyone thinks hell is. It's not. Those are the upper levels of hell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05lsD2byckc

>>15551653

>>15551979
>spin wheel
>end up with billions
>fund longevity project
>develop method of preserving consciousness forever using time dilating quantum computing
>transfer your consciousness
>ERROR! THERE HAS BEEN A QUANTUM DE COHERENCE FAILURE. YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS NOW EXPERIENCE 100K EARTH EQUIVALENT ATMOSPHERES OF PRESSURE AND 7000 DEGREES CELSIUS PLEASE HOLD WHILE WE CONNECT YOU TO TECHNICAL SUPPORT
>*hold music plays*
>(cut to tech support worker wearing headset)
>*zoom in to his face*
>it's the devil
>*CLICK* he hangs up on you, looks at the camera and winks

>>15552105
Despite the fact that man made climate change is 100% a real thing, humans are fucking the environment in a bunch of other ways. People like you appear content to just sit and let everything die. You dumb pieces of shit should be euthanized since death is what you appear to crave.

>>15554871
>Despite the fact that man made climate change is 100% a real thing,

WRONG

>>15554897
he's right that society should euthanize you

>>15551653
>turn the wheel more than 100x
>live lifestyle full of good times and quality model hookers
>eventually dies having lived a happy life
>at paradise's gate
>bouncer denies entry because you sinned
>go straight to hell and be tortured for eternity

>>15551653
statistically - as much as you want. you're far more likely to die while spinning the wheel from some random fluke like a meteor or spontaneous combustion.
philosophically - zero. by spinning the wheel, you're making a pact with the devil. hence, eternal damnation.
logically - zero. satan cheats. he rigged the game.

>>15554871
Almost all pollution comes from China and India. I bet you expect the US to spend 80 Trillion dollars to fix thier problem huh? How about No

>>15555464
still a fag tho lol...


jkjkjkjkjk

>>15555464
This. Spinning the wheel once is a mistake. The game will fuck you in some way. Like the monkey’s paw. You might get the 1 Million each spin, but you end up with something else horrible happening to you

>>15556665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPk9jiP6RUg

>>15552385
sports n shorts

>>15551653
Itt anons taking bets against satan

>>15556742
crayon tampons

>>15551653
I'd spin it twice. 2 million is all I need. 1 million is a bit underwhelming.

>>15551683
deel.

>>15551653
Firstly, what kind of moron would make a bet with the devil?

Secondly, if the devil is real then god is real. Do you want to explain to god why you gambled with your soul when the devil crushes you with 1 million dollars worth of pennies?

>>15558139
UR MOMS ARS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
KEK.
lulz ok fr ho in now?

>>15552301
I'll take eternal suffering over my current life

>>15558139
But the odds are so good. If god can't see that, he's a moron. Also, just cause the devil exists, doesn't mean god is real. Maybe only the devil is real and he just made us to suffer. Maybe god hates us.

>>15558157
suck a cock, u cock.

>>15558220
oodddds r up, my sun.

>>15552452
allł ïń

Correct answer is the jew way
>keep that shit Rollin Satanbro
>all the money
>trade 100 trillion for 1 million souls
>trade 1 million souls for mine back from satan
>retire with infinite money and guaranteed heavenn

Satan appears to you and offers you a gamble. If you accept, he rolls a roulette wheel with a chance of 1 per Graham's number of you being a janitor on 4chan for the rest od eternity.

Do you spin?

>>15552159

If the wheel were the donate-stuff/size of the observable universe, and every sliver a planck length wide, even a single sliver would be MASSIVELY larger than 1 in graham's number.

>>15558220

The odds are only good if you trust the devil to tell the truth here. It would never be possible to construct a device that produces such a probability.

>>15559559

I feel like a word filter got added in here. Either that or my keyboard is being very fucky and copypasting random text.

>>15553657
>finite loss
now it's actually worth it

>>15551653
Tell him to fuck off because my soul is Jesus'.

>>15551683
first post based post

>>15559816
>>15553743
Brainlets
0.1*10 = 1
1^(any number) = 1
Enjoy your torment.

>>15551653
>not realizing who Satan bows down to

>>15560068
>Not realizing who the bogs report to

>>15551736
Based and godpilled

>>15551869
based clear eye poster

>>15551869

based high iq poster

>>15560187
>>15560201
Lmao same fagging.

Going by all Christian points of view, the game is rigged from the start because you won't lose and you can effectively have infinite millions buuuut you're going to hell anyways for having made a deal with the devil

>>15560458
Yeah remember that time in the bible when satan cheated... no? Because it never happened.

>>15553657
This guarantees torture right? (0.1 ×10) = 1, then 1 to to a stupidly big power is still 1, and so you're saying 1 in 1 probability

>>15552115
You are a retard
You could hit the number on the first spin
If you have a wheel with 1000 possible stopping points and only 1 is a winner, you dont need to spin 1000 times to win. You have as much chance of winning on spin 1 as spin 100 or spin 1000. Probability doesnt work like theres some magic requirement of X spins total and then you hit the number. Spin number 1 billion for OPs problem is as likely to get you a loss as spin number 1. It's just that if you spin once and dont lose, you're set and have no chance of losing unless you spin again, etc etc.

>>15552301
This. It literally doesn't matter how small the chance is - it is a 100% guaranteed chance of infinite suffering. How horrible the risky outcome actually is outweighs everything else.
Also, spinning the wheel at all would send you to Hell. When Satan says "you win a million dollars if you hit this, you go to hell if you hit that" he is NOT saying you dont go to hell if you win the million. Any spin sends you to Hell. Why would you ever make a deal with Satan

>>15560521
(1-1)/1 = 1
ie, the first spin sends you to hell fucking plebs