/biz/ - Business & Finance

their suffering sounds like a beautiful symphony to me

LEARN TO CODE!!!!!

this is what happens when you get bachelor's degrees in sociology

>tfw bachelors in geography of all things and making $60k/yr 3 months out of college

>>15521379
>bachelors degree in IT
<cant even get employed
I wanna kms

>>15522340
If it helps, I don't think it's entirely your fault you were brainwashed by society.

>>15522340
you don't need anything past a high school diploma for IT

>>15522308
must have got daddy to help you get a job

>>15522382
>"we have a shortage of IT personnel with bachelors degree"
>too many people grad after 3 years
>over 80% of all grads from that year are unemployed

Yeah, now I am just sitting around hoping that cryptos take off, otherwise gonna neck myself within 5 years.

>>15522340
dude go to a staffing agency like RobertHalf or something, tons of temp contract IT jobs you could easily pick up with that degree. They will probably suck ass, but it's better than frying tendies at McCuck's. While you're doing those contract jobs, start working on some IT certs or getting a security clearance and you'll be set. I just spent the summer doing break-fix fixing up laptops for the local school system and $15/hr shit was pretty based

>>15522419
not from the US, staffing agencies dont fucking work in the EU. here its lucky if you even get a temp job, and you have to fight for that via multiple screens/tests and then you get to the interview afterwards with like 20 applicants.
Like, all jobs have more than 200 applicants in total, so its fucking hell.

>>15522414
well you could turn your failures into successes. As much as I mock degrees, I'm sure there's a way for a clever man to use it to his advantage.

I spent $1000 on driving education to upgrade my license so I could become a prison transport driver. Never did get that job, but that license sure did come in handy. Wound up working as a corporate chauffeur until I picked up a job at a high school as a driving instructor.

>>15522419
>break-fix fixing up laptops for the local school system and $15/hr shit was pretty based
$15 is literally the normal pay for IT here with a bachelors degree, thats before taxes of 30%

>>15521379
I make 15 bucks an hour with a bachelor's degree. Should be getting bumped up to 19.50 soon after this next promotion.

Lrn2climb

>>15522447
Lmfao you took your failures and failed harder. A fucking high school driving instructor

>>15522518
is there something wrong with that

>>15522517
Lol I make 17 an hour cooking and no degree

What do you mean literal teenagers are pressured to take on extreme debt and expected to make comprehensively informed decisions about career paths before they have any life experience whatsoever, and encouraged into tertiary study by cynical institutions who understand that the vast majority of them will not find relevant work.

>>15521379
> Don't even have associates degree
> Took a promotion across country for 53K earlier this year
> 5 months later get headhunted
> Start 65K job that also pays 7K for all insurance over the year next week
College is such a meme

>>15521379
Just don't go for meme degrees.
Go into technical bachelor/master fields,
engineering,
HVAC,
computer science (master degree)
Aerospace engineering

A new cold war is about to kick off, they will need ever specialist they can find.
This is all so exhilarating.

>>15521387
My first job (hired before I graduated right out of my internship) paid $19.00/hr in 2007 wtf?

>>15522389
Fucking idiot. You node_modules is not IT.

The guys who wrote fucking v8 for you all good the degrees in CS.

Fucking slav scum.

>>15522710
take it easy, fella. don't get mad at me because you fell for the college scam. okay?

>>15522533
hahaha yeah there is its a fucking dead end. Its not a fucking job you retard

>>15522759
>a fucking dead end

so is everything

>>15522816
that is what most people are bitching about. You might be able to get these garbage shit jobs that go no where and make you very little but you wont ever to actually have a fucking career. Its also funny your example is basically
>i worked at mcdonalds
>i couldnt anymore
>i went to burger king
The jobs you are talking about also don't offer a future.

>>15522864
Your perception is very limited.

>>15522868
You are just deluded.

>>15521379
>College degrees become more and more worthless every year.
>hurr durr maybe if i go things will be different for me cuz im white.
How fucking retarded do people have to be to keep doing this? That's like spending thousands of dollars on a stack of lottery tickets when you know the odds of winning are like a million to one.

>>15521387
>Education and Counseling

>>15522919
Problem with that logic is the job market could be completely different in 4 years. If you go for a master or doctor so the muh supply and demand argument is actually pretty retarded.

>>15522407
It's all networking skills and blowjob skills these days. You aren't getting shit above $12/hour unless you are good at one of these. It helps if you're good at both.

>>15522950

If you go for master or doctor it's even worse*

>>15522950
>the job market could be different in 4 years.
Yeah, it'll be way worse. Imagine thinking the world is going to get better from here on out. Kek.

For example a CS/IT degree was in good demand like 5-10 years ago but then it became a meme and now it's oversaturated as fuck.

>>15521379
Chembro here, had a decent job for 4 yrs developing products but it dried up when the private owners sold. Couldn't find another job in chem at my level, most positions are brainlet-tier lab monkey work for $12-15/hr. Got into finance, now 83% of my wage ATH after <2 yrs. Gunning for financial analyst.

IF YOU HAVE A STEM DEGREE JUST GO FOR FINANCE. It's way better here.

>>15522567
So? My point was that a degree gives you better chances for promotions at blue type collar jobs. Also college is it's own reward which is something GEDfags will never understand. Student loan debt isn't that even big of a deal if you know how to budget.

>>15523019
How'd you transition from Engineering to Finance? I just completed my Bachelors in Mech. but I don't wanna be a grease monkey anymore. Is there a degree path to follow or just certifications?

>>15523831
Work at a cannabis extraction company faggot

>>15523584
> degree gives you better chances for promotions at blue type collar jobs

"please mister, allow me to slave away my parents money for years and work like a donkey so that one day i can lick your ass. please, sir"

dear lord, everyone is giving up on his own business and everyones a cuck who wants to go under the wings of some company

the power you get that way is not real power, real power you make yourself, maybe instead of trying to find which companys ass you want to lick and say "thank you master" maybe you can look at your own value and try to find a way to convert it into something humans actually want and deliver said service /good directly as your own self made man

>>15523928
I just like having an easier job with higher pay faggot.

>muh self made man
It's literally all the fucking same. If you want to lose all your fucking capital and declare bankruptcy three times just to skirt by serving people mediocre food on 50k a year at 40 y/o then go for it. I personally don't give a fuck about that, and would rather learn a system that's already in place rather than build one just to satisfy my own ego.

>>15521379
Inflation in higher education.

>>15521387
Top kek. Classic plebbit.
> N-no way you'll be earning $12/hr with your useless skillset in economy where you have to earn your employer $30/hr to even get your $12. Just do networking and you'll be set.

>>15521379
The result of government inflating the demand of postgraduate education with government backed student loans.

>>15521387
>their suffering sounds like a beautiful symphony to me

This doesn't sound like something a winner would say. Quite the opposite in fact.

>>15524071
The opposite of "doesn't sound like something a winner would say" is:

"something a winner would say"

>>15524023
i probably make more than you and have never finished school

>>15523584
>Also college is it's own reward
Kill yourself Jewberg.

>>15524038
I'm having a great time reading about their woes and talking with my bros.

also watching smallville

>>15524092
Good for you. I literally just graduated college 4 months ago so I'm not exactly at peak earnings in my lifetime. And again, college is it's own reward. I learned a lot both inside and outside of the classroom. The 42k in debt spread over 5 or 10 years really isn't that bad for the lifetime of opportunity given to me by my education.

>>15524108
nxvmville*

>>15524071
maybe he is annoyed at the arrogance that people think going to uni is some kind of ticket to success and the people think they deserve the world handed to them?

>>15524023
my skillsets are on the list of 100 most wanted jobs in my country and probably most other countries. my job is so valuable i can be from uganda and still get a yellow card so i can live here. i most likely make more than you, as whatever you have studied was printed out in mass at the unifactoryTM and the market has become oversaturated

> I personally don't give a fuck about that, and would rather learn a system that's already in place rather than build one just to satisfy my own ego.

of course, youre a pussy, your ego is big enough it seems, that is not the reason. if you want to lick the ass of companies for a shot at making proper money you really deserve the sh itstorm that will only get worse. the economy never got better and probably never will. we cannot exhaust the worlds resources infinitely or we have no world to live in, and people are realizing that. the era where a boomer can get a uni degree and everything is handed to him is over.

>>15524120
damn it man i removed my comment to rewrite it without the noko (replied to someone else on another thread with it) and forgot to remove the noko

> debt

holy shit thats how youre starting your life off with and you think thats ok? wow the absolute state of americucks

AND I FORGOT THE NOKO AGAIN RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

practically every boomer is retiring in 2020, employers will be screaming for competent white males to shoulder the workload any day now.

>>15524122
>>15524120
I went to college and the only useful skill I got out of it was fencing. That however was provided by the SCA for free and they are not affiliated with any college or university. And if being put in a small 6x8 ft room with some random asshole in what is a refurbished prison block and being charged 16+ grand a year for it is its own reward, then I'm just being ungrateful. I just buy the college text books and read them. Everything else about the college experience is just to milk you for money.
Also you wont need to suck shekelbergs ass degree or not if you just buy Link.

>>15521379
Dear retard, stop getting masters degrees if there are no jobs

>>15524122
>not wanting to lose all your money in a venture that will most likely fail means you're a pussy

Okay. I understand risk management perfectly well. I don't care about what you do, how much money you make, or whatever third world dirt farming shithole you come from. I found a half decent job in college that was low skill, and relatively low wage. I got promoted immediately within a month of graduating college, and should get another before the end of this month.

Most college grads are looking for office type work or retail shit right out of college instead of looking for manual labor which often pays about the same with the added bonus of paid overtime. In jobs like that a college grad who isn't afraid to get his hands dirty will stick out like a sore thumb. They can easily get their office job managing a warehouse, construction, or some other business if they put in the effort.

I'm done talking to you anyway. No choice in life is the "right" one anyway. Just make the best of the ones you've made. You didn't go to college, I did. Get over it

>>15524157
They will never retire

>>15524127
I can easily pay it off so yea I think it's okay. I'd rather pay off my own education in 7 or 8 years than pay 50% in income tax for the 40 years I work.

>>15524166
you bored me with your boring "little houses" text buddy, i did read the end

> You didn't go to college, I did. Get over it

and i do not regret not going to college, believe me, i feel bad for you guys, thats why im trying to open your eyes to doing your own business instead of being a modern slave that makes equal or more money as hes making to his employer.

you wanna earn bitch pay for life while thinking youre so great for having spend years and tens of thousands go ahead, but i feel sorry for you, thank god i also think its hilarious, so im not just sad, but can also laugh

>>15524183
by the way, to clarify, if you went to uni and got an ACTUAL degree, like ENGINEERING, then you have all my respect, and i do not look down upon you. it is merely 90% of uni degrees nowadays that are worthelss, and people still go for it, at those i laugh

>>15524183
>and i do not regret not going to college, believe me,

I never implied you did, but since you're clearly an uneducated smoothbrain who thinks we're having an argument instead of a discussion you went ahead and jumped to conclusions without reading my post.

Have a nice life faggot, I know I will.

>>15524166
>lose all your money in a venture that will most likely fail.
Anon, thats college in a fucking nutshell.

>>15524188
I don't care whether you look down on me or not because your opinion matters to me as much the toilet paper I wipe my ass with. My degree was in history and I loved every minute of it.

Not everyone person wants to or needs to be a STEM major. And memeing people towards those fields is only gonna devalue them like what happened to liberal arts degrees.

>>15524203
> he didnt go to uni so he is uneducated

haha the elitism is really perplexing

all do respect sir and as ridiculous as it may sound to you, as an autodidact i have amassed great amounts of knowledge and am highly educated

in matter of fact a friend of mine used to be a professor at UCW and compared me to the average graduate in his field and my abilities and skills are much higher. by a professors definition i am highly educated.

>>15524225
My degree was in history

LOLOLOLOLOL

>>15524217
>Anon, thats college in a fucking nutshell.


No, if your business goes under you may lose everything trying to keep it afloat. The banks can take your business and it assets, but they can't take back your education.

>>15524228
Brevity is the essence of wit. Using words that are outside of your everyday jargon in a vain attempt to make you seem smarter actually causes you to look stupid. Doesn't everyone know this?

I'm done @ing you.

>>15524266
blah blah blah

people like you think they are so smart yet have nothing of value to contribute. people who think they are much smarter than they are while having no real value to contribute to society are a joke to me. at least know your place: weak

>>15521379
>ask for a degree from everyone
>throw out all non-white degrees because they didnt earn it
>only hire white people with degrees
..and thats how you profit from this.

>>15524282
The only thing you contribute is hot air and tax money, buddy. If you weren't doing your job somebody else certainly would be.

I know I'm a replacable cog, you don't.

I earn $45 an hour to drive construction machinery and im a college dropout. When i do overtime i'm earning over a dollar a minute.

Best part is i dont have to deal woth any HR cunts. Worst part is doing my job in an australian summer.

Swings and roundabouts i suppose.

>>15524291
>>15521379
Oh, and asians have a higher average IQ but whites have higher peak IQ above 135 and 145, which means that white with a degree is probably on the higher end of the scale than the average asian. Although they will have been brainwashed with diversity crap, maybe thats the real angle, you must go through communist indoctrination to get a job.

>>15524225
Niqqa what. Like what skill do you even have now? Reading?

>>15524240
>but they can't take back your education.
Its just too fucking bad my college education is worthless and my boy scout training is more useful in every fucking way.
Paying 16k-7k a year for undergrads to read shit out of a text book at you is kind of a fucking joke.
>No, if your business goes under you may lose everything trying to keep it afloat.
And acting like starting or own business or working for another is the only way to get ahead is horseshit. Investing in venture capital and engaging in the system of usury is honestly better than both. When a team of 40 or so minwage workers are able to consistently pull $15,000,000 in profit a quarter and the team makes less than $200,000 for the quarter and the rest lines the pockets of shareholders.
However that said a person who owns there own business gets to keep the profit they make. Where as you working for another means you could be earning them millions due to your labor while you earn tin shavings. That is if you picked a fucking practical major. Fucking history wtf you plan to do with that. Get archeological dig jobs? because its that or just teach more students.

>>15524293
everyone is replacable, but some are more replacable than others

i know that im replacable, but im 100x less replacable than you chap

also i thought you were going to stop responding 4 comments ago?

also by any chance if you do act like a bitch again and respond again can you confirm that you mainly frequent reddit? because almost noone here is dumb enough to study history

> i will not respond anymore
> responds several more times
history does repeat itself huh mister historian

>>15524301
Leadership unironically.

>>15524328
.......did you learn that by studying history?

ah yes, a master of brevity, wit, a true leader indeed, judging by your behavior you are indeed perfectly fit for a leader function. people sure do respect what you say a lot. you come over so leader-like, yeah.

This is the funny thing about college. Everyone (on 4chan) who didn't go wants to prove why they're better off without it, but IRL I almost never meet anybody who says they are happy they didn't. I'm just glad I went and the investment immediately paid off for me. I never said "EVERYBODY SHOULD GO TO COLLEGE". I dont believe it myself either. Do you whatever you cocksuckers want, I don't know or care about any of you.


I also personally know a couple of self made entrepreneurs who still went to college as a fallback.

>>15522643
I think we already are in a Cold War with Iran and israel

>>15524367
dudes got the napoleon mads yo

>>15524328
LOL I'M A LEADER GUIS!
>>15524367
AND YOU SHOULD ALL BELIEVE ME BECAUSE I HAVE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.
That's YOU thats how DUMB you sound.

>>15521387
These degrees appear to be conceptualised as employment guarantees, which they unfortunately are not. Everyone has to break their ass to get something that is worth having. Either break your ass for a difficult degree (med, law at a top uni, STEM) or break your ass trying to create value in a rapidly changing market.

>>15524355
>did you learn that by studying history?


Yes. Look up what most politicians and military officers went to school for. History isn't just the study of names, places, dates, and events. It can be an in depth look at the psychology of people in very turbulent times or teach you some very valuable lessons about human nature. Good leaders often admire other leaders and try to emulate their successes and learn from their failures. A successful businessman can learn a lot from a general, a general can learn a lot from a politician, and a politician can learn a lot from a businessman. The basic principles of leadership are similar across the board. It's mastering the minutiae of your trade that will make the difference in being a good one or bad one.


That's what I got from my degree. It would have taken me a lot of longer than 4 years to figure that out if I hadn't gone. Maybe you're all just big boss alpha leader men who are so much smarter than me. If so, I don't care.

My degree has paid dividends quickly. I also got lot better at time management and long term planning. So whatever.

>>15524432
>My degree has paid dividends quickly. I also got lot better at time management and long term planning. So whatever.

You got even better at telling yourself your degree is useful.

>>15521379
It's not an issue because good degrees still pay well. Shitty degrees don't but that's how it is supposed to be.

>>15524392
>dudes got the napoleon mads yo


No, leadership positions pay more typically. It's extra work and stress, but I at least get perks and transferable skills. It means I might not have to start over from scratch every time I change jobs.

>>15524166
I make 53K in the midwest and this is all I've done tonight. And as I said here, >>15522624 I'll be making 72K starting next week
> t. Community college dropout

>>15524432
>My degree has paid dividends quickly.
Anon, that's not how dividends fucking of workings.

>>15521387
also this, even though he's partially guilty of the behaviour he accuses you of >>15524071

stop being dicks to each other

>>15524437
History didn't make me better at those things specifically. College in general did because I had to juggle multiple projects and stay focused on a broad overarching goal.

>>15524454
What is your point? I never said you NEED to go to college to get a promotion or better job. I said it merely makes it EASIER.

>>15524482
Does it tho

>>15524482
> I went to college. You didn't. Get over it.
My point is, you and the wide majority of college grads have this attitude that you're at all superior when in reality is you're in general nothing but children in the office. Your skillset isn't at all proven, you walk around with a superior attitude based on the fact that you have a piece of paper that says you know anything, and a shitload of debt. Drop the sanctimonious attitude, literally nobody is envying college graduates in 2019, which is clear by looking at the pic in OP or the student debt crisis. Get over yourself.

>>15524495
Yes. If you work a job where the people who are under you are likely to be low skill or have little education. I just work in a warehouse for a beverage company. I'm currently making about 35k and will go to about 45k with this new job (which is still pretty low level). It's not bad for a single 24 y/o. There's high turnover too so there is always a chance to move up. Once I get tired of the horseshit I'll just go back for my Masters.

>>15524482
Leadership skills you aren't showing. But your enough of an arrogant asshole to be a Boss for some minwage fuckbois.
Leaders could actually get the private army that is 4chan to do something.

Does it really tho


>>15524564

>>15524510
>My point is, you and the wide majority of college grads have this attitude that you're at all superior


I don't though. I went to college and you didn't, GET OVER IT. I mean exactly what I said. I don't care that you didn't go, you don't care that I did. You're worse than a baby boomer sterotyping about people younger than him. If you're smart with money student loan debt isn't a big deal even with a mediocre salary like mine.

>>15524613
bro i dont think anyone is really agreeing with you, because nobody thinks youre right

youre wasting your time. i think youre an idiot but i want you to save yourself from further emberasment and harsh true comments.... just fuck off

PS you may relate your job to bullshit like history education but anyone who isnt retarded could easily do your job without a college degree... your job to me proves very much so that your degree is worthless, and helped with nothing. you really gotta go through some weird hoops to convince yourself it actually helps with your job. but whatever works for you man, if you cant handle the idea that uni was a waste of time thats your own choice.

>>15524595
Lol it doesn't. I was literally him at 20, now I'm management of a massive logistics operation, and my new job is integrating new logistics operations for a massive publicly traded corporation. Warehouses are very easy to walk into and move up quickly, but not with a faggoty ass attitude like
> I went to college. You didn't. Get over it.

>>15524575
I'm not in charge of you faggots so yea I'm not showing leadership skills.


>>15524595
Nigga I literally just fucking graduated 4 months ago. I didn't realize that if I wasn't CEO already I was a failure. I've been at my current job for only a year. It took most of the guys at my equivalent position in the company like 3 to 5 years to earn the spot, and they're much older. I can work up from here if I continue delivering results. If all else fails I can still get into OCS, and not be a grunt whenever the chinks invade/nuke us.

College was worth it for me, h8 me if it makes your little dicks hard.

>>15524698
a true leader is good at convincing people people of things, even if they're not really on his side.

the only people who take your leadership have been put by the big boss under you and fear losing their jobs or getting into trouble if they go against you or big boss

yes holding a gun against someone head and trouble will come otherwise sure is leadership

you know nothing

>>15524613
Get over what lmao again no one is making a big deal about you going to college except for you. You can try to rephrase the context all you'd like, you were clearly trying to demean that anon when you said your faggoty ass line
> I went to college. You didn't. Get over it.
No one gives a shit that you were so retarded you went into however much debt you are actually in, which you'll claim you're not or significantly downplay the total of just to get a piece of paper that says you know how to do warehouse work. No ones impressed, no one gives a shit.

>>15524670
>I went to college. You didn't. Get over it.

You keep back going to this statement for some reason. Why does me telling you to get over the fact that we took different paths in life upset you so much? You completely misinterpreted what I meant bu that statement anyway.

I didn't imply I was better than you or anybody in this thread. I merely said that you should GET THE FUCK OVER IT. I'm not one of these spineless zoomers that is get sit back and wait for a cushy job. I've worked plenty of shit jobs in my life.

>>15521379
Why exactly should you get paid more?

>>15524734
>the only people who take your leadership have been put by the big boss under you and fear losing their jobs or getting into trouble if they go against you or big boss


Nah, I'm just arguing with a bunch of boomers who don't know anything about my life or my job. You're also a complete retard if you think charismatic leadership is true leadership. It comes in different forms and nothing any of you faggots says is going to matter to me.

What I'm doing is working for me.

>>15524755
Lmfao no that's literally exactly what you were trying to do, which is why you're getting animosity from me and every one else. You're still pretending I'm at all upset that we took such different paths, when I'm about to be making literally double what you make. Your superior attitude is not only hilarious, but as I said oh so common from you heavily indebted BA holders making dick. You keep saying get over it, as if anyone in this thread has anything you've said to get over.

>>15524807
oh boy if you dont know charismatic leadership is true leadership you dont even know history that well...

>>15524746
>No ones impressed, no one gives a shit.


Good because I don't care. I didn't get my degree to impress any of (You). I didn't mean to demean that guy. If he took it that so be it.


Just one of the perks of college :^)

>>15524848
> One of the perks is bragging to people online about how I went to college
> And a mountain of debt
> And a 35K salary :^)

>>15524454
what do you do?

>>15522340
The problem is not your degree it's you. IT guys can detect non-IT guys from a mile away. So if you're actually not an IT guy and studied IT because of muh demand and salary you're fucked. You're probably that type of guy claims to know "C/C++/Java/Python/C#.." because youve written hello world programs without knowing any of the languages on a high level and it's ecosystems.

People getting more stupid by the day.

Pain is the prerequisite for enlightenment.
>They just haven't suffered enough.

>>15524291
this shit is fucking insane. HAHAHAHAHA NIGGERS NEED OVER 200 FUCKING FREE POINTS AND THEY STILL HAVE NO DADS AND SMOKE CRACK ALL DAY HAHAHAHA MAYBE WE SHOULD GET RID OF THEM ALL

>>15524873
Right now I'm an operations manager of a cross dock. My new position is integrating new e-commerce logistics operations, and fixing inefficiencies in existing ones.

>>15524847
Some of the most effective leaders were terribly uncharismatic but they were efficient and machine like in their approach to problem solving.

General George C. Marshall was not very charismatic, but he masterminded the bureaucracy and logistics of the Army during WWII.

Mark Zuckerberg is notoriously uncharismatic as well, and he has that whole Facebook megacorp going thing for him.


President Nixon was also very uncharismatic and if Watergate hadn't happened he would have left office as a solidly popular president.

Charismatic leadership is good for fooling people into stupid shit aka trump, hitler, cult leaders etc. Actually effective leaders have to take risks, study, innovate, and just continually try to improve whatever it is that they do. I don't doubt the power of charm, it's just not the only way to do the job.

>>15524865
Your salary isn't all that impressive either though. It's more than mine I know, but both my parents make a lot more than that individually. And you're how old?

>>15524920
One quality of leadership that you without a doubt clearly lack is, leaders build up those around them, not themselves. This goes for anything from generals, to sports teams, to logistical leaders like myself like you desire to be. Your goal as a leader is to make a total of greater than the sum of what your given, beyond all the shit talking I've done to you, this is legitimate advice. Even beyond the line I copied and pasted from you over and over you can see it where your bragging about potentially getting a role that takes most people there 3-5 years to obtain.

>>15524983
>One quality of leadership that you without a doubt clearly lack is, leaders build up those around them, not themselves.

I actually do this plenty and all my friends and coworkers typically come to me for support and advice all the time. I'm just talking to a bunch of random dickbeaters on an anonymous basket weaving forum, so excuse me for not being 100% empathetic, anon.


I do appreciate your advice though. It's been a while since I've gotten to have an argument this long and pointless. Makes me happy to be single.

if anyone actually needs a job and has a degree, go for auto insurance claims. It will suck your soul though

>>15524089
Are you retarded or something? Did you even finish highschool?

>>15524122
>if you want to lick the ass of companies for a shot at making proper money

Isn't this what you do all the time as an entrepreneur? You lick the ass of your customers and cuck yourself to the maximum in order to get them buy your product.

Enjoy being a colossal cuckold.

>>15525049
> Takes leaders build those up around them
Responds with
> Uhh yah thanks anon but FYI my friends and family are fuck ups with problems that only I can solve with my amazing advice
> Proceeds to insult everyone in thread
Yup, definitely a know it all BA holder with 0 concept of leadership. All you've done is demean literally everyone from other anons, to now even people in your own life(likely without even realizing it). Your posts are just sad to read at this point because you don't even realize how sad they are. The closest thing you even think of when I say 'building up those around you' is being sought out for your amazing wisdom, apparently none of which was available to be on display in this thread. Ignoring being sought out for your oh so amazing advice had literally nothing to do with what I said, I'm sure it's just because everyone here is just so far below your greatness, right?

>>15525271
Suck my dick

>>15521379
>>15521387
>Choosing a field without first researching how many jobs are available and how much you earn on average.
I mean wageslave drones aren't the smartest bunch but god damn that's stupid.

>>15525290
Enjoy making 35K, you're going to for quite some time.

>>15525300
Link will save me

>>15521387
>$11-12/h
lel, this is literally what I'm getting in my first job as a welder with literally no experience and in a south euro shithole. And I'll probably get something better in a couple months, I just landed in a not really good company.

And they spent four years of their lives in this shit? Degree holders are fucking pathetic.

Boomers would outsource this entire country if it meant they could get a 3 year extension on their reverse mortgage.

>>15525311
For me, it's Chainlink. The best cryptocurrency. I even buy extra in the smallest dip and the price increase just keeps on its spirit to oblige.

One time I bought Chainlink for 50 cents. I said, "Chainlink for 50 cents!" and the nice friendly Binance worker laughed and said, "Chainlink for 50 cents!".

Now the Binance staff greets me with "Chainlink for 50 cents" and ALWAYS give me three extra LINK over a purchase of 100 or more. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local Binance currency exchange, I go there at least 3 times a week for buying the dips and accumilating in lower price periods, 1-2 times for buying more LINK on the weekend, and maybe one extra time when I'm in a rush but want a great cryptocurrency exchange that is fast, and can match my daily cryptocurrency needs.

I even sold my BTC for CHAINLINK, it's amazing! What a G R E A T cryptocurrency.

>>15521387

t. Ass blasted tradecuck

>>15521379
Truck drivers make 50-70k (but you actually have to do work), 2 weeks "training".

For what most of you plebs spend on >muh degree you can finance a truck and keep 110-130k. Masters, you buy 3 trucks and make Africans, Pajeets, or various other shitskins drive them for you. 20-25k a truck while you neet it up.

>>15524127
Yes? I was 54k in debt after college. I paid it off in a year. Was making 120k at year 7. I'm back in grad school for 28 months paying out of pocket with no debt and will be making 200k+ when I graduate.

>>15525162
/biz/ owner here, it is. I also have to deal with a retarded labor pool, shitty suppliers and regional monopolies that I have to depend on. Honestly, for the past couple of years I've felt more cucked than I ever did working for others, but the payoff is supposed to make it all worth it, right?

>>15521379
These fuckers aren't metnioning what degrees they have masters in. A masters in Sociology, or African-American Studies is just as useless as teh bachelors degree is. PhD will be useless too.
Supply and Demand isnt' employers being greedy. It's not even a theory. It's Natural Law.

>>15522414
Anytime you hear there's a "shortage", by the time you go get a degree to fill the shortage, everyone else did too, so there's now a surplus. Never follow the "shortage" meme.
Right now there's a shortage of backend web developers and machine learning programers, and every thread on here includes anons advising each other to learn to code. I predict the surplus of all surpluses in coding in approximately 5 years. Good luck.

Dropped out of high school, make 23 an hour pouring concrete

>>15521379
>>15521387
Found the boomer sociopath.

>>15525785
Nursing shortage would like to have a word with you.

>>15524367
Pretty much. Much like /pol/, /biz/ is a support group for NEET incels and things tend to get out of hand when they feel empowered by groupthink.

>>15521379
>>15521387

you sound bitter.

Blame women. They demanded the right to be treated like slaves just like men. Now it takes two people making 15 an hour to raise a child, instead of 1 making 30.

Fucking retarded cunts to be honest.

>>15525891
That's a fake one, so they can bring over third worlders (who chain migrate) and suppress wages. Same with trucking, inflation/COL adjusted wages are at half of what they were 15 years ago. How come no one wants to work for half, while also paying 3-5x for equipment and (((permits))).

Agricultural slave "shortage". Etc etc

Boomer here. It's so darned easy to get a jerb I can roll out of bed and get 6 different offers. Dropped out of high school BTW (on drugs). Stop buying avocado toast and you guys will be just fine. Just buy some money!

Confirmation Burgerland is a third world shithole /thread

>>15525785
there's already a surplus thanks to H-1B abuse, they're now trying to make the surplus as big as possible to push wages down

>>15521387
That nigger doesn't have job experience, I'm sure of it. Jumping straight into Masters/PhD without working in the industry beforehand is a zoomer mistake

>>15525967
>surplus thanks to H-1B abuse
Kek, You cunts should be thanking them, they are the reason for American innovation. Burgers have this undeserved arrogance, most of them are dumb as fuck! H1B visa aliens are artificially raising the abysmal Mutt IQ rate!

>>15525946
BREHS

>>15522954
>networking skills and blowjob skills these days
or you could try to learn something worthwhile

>>15525896
Cry harder kike. A substantial portion of "normal" people have no internal dialogue or ability to perform even the most basic of self reflection. No fucking shit they're going to
>mmm cawlage fun
After tossing away 2 down payments worth of cash, usually at a usurus rate even Soros would blush for.

Most people can barely operate a car or figure out how to form/stand in a line properly, let's not hype up adult daycare too hard. If the cunts in HR could do it...the real value should be highly suspect.

>>15522643
>computer science (master degree)
Terrible advice unless you're at MIT or something. The CS programs in most colleges are outdated as shit; a BS with an internship or two behind it will be worth more than a master's to most companies.

>>15526010
Like sex trafficking?

>>15525946
Oh god imagine the smell. Will I ever get to smell that in my entire life?

It's really sad how much wages are dropping. People in this thread seem to be content with 30k starting out of college. Twenty years ago, it would have been 60k not accounting for inflation. Something is fucked up about this. Why do companies not increase pay when they are earning more than ever?

>>15521379
Dear niggers, go back to Africa

>>15526026
Meanwhile rent keeps rising. Wtf? I hear neets make about 2k a month in US. How to get into that? Seems like a better deal.

>>15526026
>something is fucked up about this
Low effort diploma mill state universities creating a worthless work force that deserves nothing for being on their phone 6 out of 8 hours of work unless they are carefully supervised.

Very few of you fags have put in a legitimate day of work in your lives.

they took 'er jobs!!

>>15521387
>networking and internships

>>15526013
This degree has nothing to do with CS, it's mostly math.

>>15524108
>schools should have jobs lined up
The no-name school I went to had career fairs and a job agency; I used both every semester and wound up with a proper job right after graduating. They don't keep these things hidden either, there were posters for them everywhere but I guess people still don't use them for whatever reason.

>>15521379
>tfw can't find work so i just went to gradschool
I'm a TA now doing a online business on the side. Make around 70k a year with that, it pays for gradschool and rent.
Can't complain.

>>15524120
>I literally just graduated college 4 months ago
>I learned a lot both inside and outside of the classroom
>The 42k in debt spread over 5 or 10 years really isn't that bad for the lifetime of opportunity given to me by my education.
COPE

>>15524670
>that job
>no degree
I don’t believe you.

>>15525668
>truck drivers
Automated in the next few years. But having a business with a fleet of self-driving trucks might be a good idea but very risky if your truck kills a shitload of people on the highway.

>>15522643
Yeh
Associates in EE and Mathematics working toward BS in EE. Working at an engineering firm as an elec designer making $55k/year BEFORE the BS. C'mon you jabronies just stop pissing your life away on history and english degrees. Make that a shit a hobby like the rest of us adults.

>>15526205
Nah, I'll study something that makes me happy while doing my side business.

>>15526215
Kick that meme can down the road bruh. At what point do you win the existential lottery having a passion/interest for a career that actually pays? Or at what point do we stop literally ruining lives for people pursuing their contentment? I'm not saying I'm against the idea. I'm saying a certain amount of pragmatism is required for most at this point in history.

>>15521379
Exactly why we need to ban women and immigrants from employment.

>>15526236
I already make around 70k a year through the side business, and I sure as hell not working for some jew in a company.
I'll stay cozy while collecting passive income and persuing things I like.

I’m two semesters away from getting a honours bachelor degree in business admin and a minor in either international trade or finance. My uni is ranked in the top 400 of the entire world. Was this a bad move?

>>15526201
>>15526190
Oh look, another sociology major that's never worked in the real world telling me muh electric, muh ai, muh robots are going to replace my job. While he sits in the office chit-chatting with all the other xirs about how omgawesome the new female only topgun remake looks and counts his maaaad dosh (35k a year, once theys finish theirs doctorate, of course).

I see signs for warehouse hiring all over the US, 16-21/hr. All it takes to be a lead or even a super is just to show up every day and not be too drunk. A mildly competent white that can compose an email and command enough respect from the spics and niggers to keep them "working" puts you into management in 3 years tops.

The disconnect with some people is unreal sometimes, fuck off back to your safespace while you're at it redditnigger.

>>15522340
You can easily get a job. The economy is super hot right now. You might not the the exact job YOU WANT

>>15526011
You're not special. You're just like every other "woe is me" incel who blames everyone and everything for their problems.

>>15521379
No one who’s offering $15 an hour is asking for college of any kind. MAYBE a trade school.

>>15526302
Do you have any decent grades? Did you do any internships at any companies?

>>15526343
>you're not special
say the mantra again, I like how you talk

>>15526358
You're also not special. In fact, your mental illness makes you even less desirable and functional than "normies". Luckily, most of you will be naturally deselected.

>>15526302
>>15526332
Of course. Euronigger UK trash that thinks his admin degree makes him a lord amongst the pesant.

You know how many "bosses" were hired and fired above me that couldn't figure out how to sign into our warehouse management system? Or how many proud black women couldn't run a basic query to see the production numbers doing hospital IT/data consolidation?

Busad doesn't mean shit and you're easily replaced by a better buzzworder

>>15526302
yep

i have basically the same thing from a top 200 uni and am also a good looking and have basically given up on working. My last job was 65-70 hours a week for 55k per year. I got fired for not playing along with their kikery and am unemployable now. Basically in job in the US wants to own your soul outright for a decent wage.

>>15526378
>Luckily, most of you will be naturally deselected.
Actually I'd be pretty lucky if I were mentally ill. The economy incentivizes deviant behavior. Be special.

>>15526405
There there, anon. Maybe one day you'll figure out how to scam yourself into a NEETbux salary. Best to print directions to the nearest soup kitchen now while mom still has enough money to pay her AT&T bill.

>>15522864
To be fair, HS driving instructor sounds very comfy.

>>15522414
>gonna neck myself within 5 years.
in 5 years /biz/ will be one of the richest crypto communities online, literally.

>>15522864
when i was 16 i worked at McDonalds for one whole day as the money taking window.
i never showed up the next day thats how bad i hated it.
but that experience gave me the motivation to follow what the smart money was doing
and here i am holding tons of crypto bags

>>15526437
>everyone I don't like is a neckbeard
>who still lives with his parents
>he fell for the memes

>>15526490
Who are you quoting?

>>15526513
stupid question from stupid anon

i have this feeling that bachelor's and mater's degrees are either way too easy to get, or just completely useless

like if some shitskin from india can do your job semi-decent and at minimum wage, then i dont think your degree is worth shit

>>15526545
Who were you quoting?

>>15526565
>Who were you quoting?
You're not supposed to mouth your words with your buttcheeks

>no degree
>2 homes
>mid 20s
>working for >12hr for last 10 years

lol just work harder, don't spend money, and invest

Imagine, if you will, just for a moment...
Paying an institution a hundred thousand dollars to be given meaningless busywork for four years of your life, followed by zero garauntee of gainful employment.

>>15526558
That's wrong for multiple reasons.
Also, most jobs cannot be done by shitskins. Tech is a very specific field.

>>15521379
>>15521387
College is more important now than it's ever been and currently the difference is getting larger.

Do any of you fucking idiots ever use statistics or just anecdotal crap?

>>15526628
What’s a professional degree? As in a professional qualification such as chartered accountant (ACCA), QFA, CFA etc?

Fire protection systems installer here. Started out making 23 and hour and four years later im making 46. Double time on weekends and time and a half after 8 hours. Benefits and pension.

>>15526662
Don't even think some of those are degrees lol, I though ACCA was an accounting certificate

It's referring to the US and basically means medicine related degree and lawyers. Worth noting it includes both the high paying medical careers like doctor and shit like pharmacist, if it was just doctors and lawyers it would be much higher

>>15526357
Yea I’ve decent grads. No interneship but I need to get one and a good network.

>>15526380
Canadanigger, but your post is cope.

>>15526390
It’s too late for me to get out. I have to finish it.

>>15526482
>smart money
>crypto
Kek

>>15526662
Specific degree + certification related to that degree.
Could be accounting, law, finance/banking.

>>15524848
>I didn't mean to be deamning, so despite reading for 4 years, my grasp of language is still laughably poor.
Yikes

>>15526628
>life time earnings
>average house in a major city is $1 million
>you’re literally kek’d

>>15526582
#LessonsFromMama

>>15521379
>going to law school in a year

am I fucked? currently a mcwageslave.

>>15526628
>life-time earnings: three million bucks
>for a profession that requires a high IQ
or maybe you're being duped

>>15526759
No.

>>15526759
It depends which school you go to. If you're not in a top 15 law school, you're fucked

>>15526777
Who are you quoting?

>>15526900
I live in the UK and am going to a top 15 UK law school.

I saw this coming in 2000 and left school to fuck around with PC computers and inter-nets. If I was a kid now I would focus on neural nets. I don't mean become an expert, the money is made from using the research output of experts in practical applications. There are trillions on the table right now.

>>15526700
Alright faggot chinkleech let's do some simple math for you before the real world hits. Harvard business school has 85k living alumni. Assuming even half of them are retired boomers. The couple others I spot checked are 40k+ alum.

30k*375 rank is 11.25 million people more qualified than you in your meme field your faggot commie chinanigger parents paid for with blood money.

Exactly how many upper middle management donothing jobs do you think exist? You realize over half of those are people who actually have knowledge and experience in that field right? Not the manlet gook that knows the exact same thing 11 million other people were told by their kike overlords, lel

That’s only a problem if you are just filling a space and have no real utility.

>>15527041
Based

>He doesn't know about the impending economic recession

>>15526059
fuck off boomer cocksucker

The new generation works longer hours for smaller pays in a more competitive environment stressed out of their minds with zero money saved up because of company pressure

Just play a six bullet Russian roulette

>>15524225
>And memeing people towards those fields is only gonna devalue them like what happened to liberal arts degrees.
Not in Europe (or at least Germany).
You meme someone into Engineering, he fails a few times and either drops out or is kicked out.
Only about 50% of Engineering students graduate here and probably only 30% without having to take extra semesters.

>>15521387
What the fuck I make 12.75 at an entry level position and have a 401k. These people are retarded.

>>15521379
STOP.
ATTACKING.
OTHER.
EXPLOITED.
PROLETARIANS.

ARE YOU A RICH BUSINESS OWNER? ARE YOU A "CAPITALIST"? WHERE'S YOUR CAPITAL? I DON'T SEE SHIT. I SEE A POOR-ASS PLEBEIAN NOBODY WITH NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT.

YOU AL SHOULD BE ATTACKING THE 1% AND THE (((ESTABLISHMENT))) NOT EACH OTHER.

>>15525785
This is assuming most people are smart enough to handle these jobs. Which they aren't. IT is easy shit for monkeys

>>15525785
Learn to monetize code.

>allow people to default on student loans
>in exchange for giving up their degrees

Put their debt back onto the open market, AND take the surplus of worthless degrees off the open market. Two birds with one stone.

Would you be on board with this plan?

>tfw make $60k a year in an area where median household is under $20k
>tfw only associate's degree

Retail manager. Knock that shit all you want to but:

>piss easy job
>lots of pretty women to look at
>pays well for not doing much
>job isn't going anywhere anytime soon
>easy prospects for advancement

Seriously, within two years I went from making $8/hr to $20/hr. And only took the job as a part-time interest to get spending money, and ended up staying.

>>15527523

True free market solution is to not only do this, but allow people to purchase the degrees in exchange for paying the debt.

>>15523928
With a chemistry/manufacturing skillset, I know I could create a product to sell and manufacture it. Let me tell you what starting that up takes:

A product that people will buy at a premium since I don't have the capital/connections to buy ingredients wholesale at a low price, capital for containers and custom labels for the products I will be selling, capital for a manufacturing line that can meet todays demand, space for that manufacturing line, and then I have to basically cold call sell that shit.

There's alot of shit that can go wrong at any step of that process, and if I by accident succeed, I will need to start hiring people to help. It's alot easier to build that capital working for someone else. And anything I learn working in finance is going to benefit me in the long run.

>>15523831
You can just apply for entry level positions. I started on brokerage phone stuff and transferred into specialty trading phone stuff; from here people typically move to trading jobs/business analyst stuff so it's a step in the right direction.

The right firm will train you to get your licenses and start you off on the entry level brokerage side of things so you can know the business. It's phone center cuck stuff but you'll learn and practice: trading, trading platforms, qualified/non-qualified brokerage products, tax-law, cost-basis, etc. Working during my first year was basically a hardcore crash course in finance; that and learning how to talk to people. If you're seriously considering entering finance, which once again will be useful to your personal finances always, I highly recommend starting asap so you can get where you want before the age-discrimination cut-offs. I may already be too late. But I came here to learn professional financial analysis so I can vet securities (and hopefully crypto) like a professional.

>>15521379
Lucked out and got a $72k/year with a chemical engineering bachelors straight out of college. But then again, I was willing to do the worst jobs in the worst locations.

>>15527696

Money is available if you're willing to go. I made more years ago but I was working in Iraq for a contractor as an IT tech. Got the job straight out of tech college. Nothing like fixing some provincial bagman's computer system while our government is paying his militia to slaughter the "enemy"

>>15521379
This is why YANG 2020 is the only option... there is going to be millions of people without work and drowning debt 1000 a month is the only option

>>15524188
I'm a MSc student in the process of transferring into a PhD program, and I agree with you to an extent. This is going to be a long post so feel free to skip, but I have some things to get off my chest. If any of you were in that thread about anon's sister wanting to go to Columbia University yesterday then yes, I'm the anon that was giving out advice on graduate school. The biggest mistakes I see dumbass college students do is treat uni like highschool. they go to class, do their work, get good grades (if even that) and expect to be handed a job. Sorry faggot, that's not how it works. Any semi-decent uni will have job fairs and numerous free events dedicated to helping undergrads network and get paid internships and jobs, but they ignore the email reminders/invitations.

And don't get me started on "entrepreneurs" who say college is a scam. Universities LITERALLY provide students with everything they could ever need to succeed. Many unis will even do mock job interviews to get you ready for working. What's that, you want to start a company? No problem, there's an entrepreneur event coming up where you meet investors. My uni has a sharktank-like event where you pitch ideas and can get funded. And business/pharma profs at any half decent uni will be people who actually ran successful companies and are now retired/got bored and teach classes. You can run ideas by them and many times they will help you or refer you to people they know. Ironic how these so-called entrepreneurs don't realize they can just sign up to be a part-time student at some state uni, and just go to all events possible while there. It's better than cold-calling people trying to get your company off the ground.

The problem is, hating college and universities has become a meme that niggers repeat. FYI, having a college degree doesn't mean you can't start a business. I would even bet there's more people without degrees who don't start businesses compared to college-educated people.

Why can't we ever have a conversation about low wages for college degrees that were sold to us by American society without it devolving into shitflinging between graduates and non-graduates? The market is oversaturated with an educated workforce which is raising the bar for education requirements in any position worth having. That's an interesting topic on its own because of its impacts on the selection process in the workforce.

How it's been for me is experience+education>experience>education when it comes to the hr selection process, which has raised the bar for entry level jobs in any industry outside of menial labor/blue collar jobs.

Because of rekt millenials, it looks like zoomers are going to be less traditionally educated because they saw what happened to us, and those that are will now have to compete with overeducated/experienced millenials for positions their entire career.

It's an interesting time.

Can we just agree that it is possible to make money with and without a degree and just leave it at that?

>>15526059
fuck off boomer

>>15522864
>you wont ever to actually have a fucking career
English, please.

>>15528719
There's nothing to talk about, the forces at play are very simple to understand.

Supply of degrees is plentiful, so employers cost to get them is decreasing.

Cultural brainwashing caused the oversaturation of people who obtained degrees, and after they get it, the sunk cost fallacy and pride prevents them from seeing that they simply made a poor investment.

>>15528800
See you're strawmanning everyone with a degree and putting them into the prideful sunk cost fallacy position. I got a degree in chemistry, worked for a while, and found that its oversaturated and underpaid. Alot of that happened recently with the outsourcing of American research.

Do I regret going? No. Did it have a good ROI? Fuck no. I wish I got a degree in finance but hey, you have to find things out from experience sometimes.

Without that degree though, I never would've gotten into finance in the first place. Even for the entry level position I was gunning for, every single person that got hired into training had a degree, from many different subject matters.

Thanks to everything that's happened, the education bar has been raised. So I needed that degree either way if I didn't want to do manual labor my whole life.

>>15528628
It all depends what you major in. And it's not that Uni is a scam, it's just the fact that you don't need it to succeed. You could go to trade school and make 100k a year after a couple of years.

>>15528875
Some people are adaptable. You would have been the same with or without a degree. You'd have found something else to use as leverage when you lost a job.

But you're a victim yourself of sunk cost, so of course you can't see it either.

There's no point "having a conversation" because brainwashed people can't have those.

>>15527442
mr sanders don't you have a campaign to run

>>15522710
>Muh anything but C is a skiddie language

>>15526190
Lmfao I couldn't give a shit less if you do or not. Logistics is fantastic for people with no degree. I have 8 years experience in the industry, including managing teams from 5-65 people, and references with titles like
> Vice President of Logisitics Business Development
> Vice President of Logistics Operations
> Senior Manager of Logistics
This piece of paper matters as much if not more than a piece of paper saying you know some shit, but have never actually done it in a professional environment. Pic related is my offer letter.

>>15528908
I wouldn't have gotten that first chemistry position without a degree in chemistry. And while the finance position didn't require a degree, everyone I work with has a degree. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about when you call that "sunk cost fallacy." This is how the world is.

>>15528628
thanks now im 100k in debt and have to spend the next few years working it off. or i could use google and the library (and biz, kek) and make a better more satisfying living that way.
t. rich nigger

>>15528940
When I say sunk cost fallacy, I am referring to the concept that people are simply unwilling to admit they made a poor investment with a degree and either go back to school to pour more money down the drain for a masters, or work at menial jobs because they refuse to accept work outside their field or else they'd have to admit their degree was pointless.

As far as you go, you're willing to abandon your degree and pursue other opportunities, but you're still unwilling to admit the degree was unnecessary.

>>15528927
extremely autistic NEET here - I love logistics, how exactly did you go about getting a job in that field without a degree? I have an extremely vast network of connections so that shouldn't be a problem

>>15528970
>100k in debt
that's only for ivy league schools, where companies suck your cock once you graduate anyway. For state schools or even private I owed ~30k for all 4 years. There are literally hundreds of scholarships available no matter what race you are, but most money never gets redeemed because it takes time to find them and most students never bother. College really isn't for everyone, and I don't pretend it is. Many people go to college because they don't know what to do with their lives and it's what everyone else does. I hate that bachelor degrees are essentially the new high school diploma, but here we are.

>>15524071
Loser detected

>>15528994
I started at the very bottom of a freight company. Worked as a 2nd man helping deliver and pick up FAK(Freight of all kinds). Worked my ass off, enough customers complimented management, got offered ops agent job in office 2 years after. Didn't suck. Got good. Got great at job. Take on more and more, built reputation with other companies. They headhunted me. Employer matched and gave me gave me ops supervisor title which i already was at that point anyways with 40K salary. Ff 2 years get offered ops management title across country. Accepted abd uprooted my life. Then got headhunted by new job on LinkedIn. You can do it too.

>spending undergrad on private uni instead of a state school
That shit doesn't matter. Just get the cheapest education you can and not some liberal arts nonsense. I was 50k in debt, paid it off in a year and now I'm in grad school getting a bunch of recruitment offers.
Pic related from this spring and I don't graduate until 2020

>>15529017
i like this take. tired of all the fake degrees and fields. tired of academic bias and epstein and his pals doing everything they can to stop the spread of world changing technologies

idk i think college is mostly for people who can't teach themselves - however there is a lot of success to be found for those who wish to network AND learn.

Burgers coping over how cucked they get by corps is something unique and beautiful. Always blaming everyone but the culture they worship and defend.

>>15529057
uplifting story - if my plans don't work out your success will inspire me

>>15529072
europoors are always so anxious to attack americans, i will never understand it.
>shooting happens, euros celebrate, although they have the same problem
pound for pound americans make more money than euros.

Internet of Things is the new shit

>>15529059
Good on you anon, just remember, the money isn't yours until you've signed a (good) contract. Recruiters will promise the world to you, don't get glassy eyed.

>>15529063
>idk i think college is mostly for people who can't teach themselves
Depends. To work as a scientist there is specialized knowledge that would be difficult to learn on your own. Where to even begin? Simply reading academic papers using sci-hub would make your head spin because there's a lot of papers that are straight up bullshit pretending to be otherwise. Having a mentor is really helpful in this regard. Also, presenting posters and giving talks is a big part of the job, and then there are conferences that are only available for those working in a specific field. This is where jobs are often found.

On the other hand, you're absolutely correct that the library can give you the equivalent of a BSc or even a course-based MSc. Subjects like math, biology, chemistry, neuroscience, etc. are surprisingly fun to learn on your own. Just torrent some beginner textbooks and go from there. You might not be able to do labs where you dissect a human brain, but you'll have a great deal of knowledge without going into debt.

>>15522254
BASED

>>15529095
It's just jealousy that our country matters and theirs doesn't.

America is definitely ruled by corporations but that's just because it's ahead of the curve. The future is a cyberpunk style corporate dystopia.

Does anybody here work for the FBI or any other Alphabet agency

>implying spooks would actually reveal themselves here
I'll try and ask anyways, damnit. Pic unrelated.

lmao fucking beggars, unless you're going for making connections college is a fucking waste of time

>be in highschool, socially autistic 4channer retard
>realize school is a meme, drop out
>parent's pressure me into heading back after a year
>during that time I studied STEM shit on my own, frequented /sci/ and devoted myself to painting
>go back to a private highschool
>ace shit easily
>get sent to several STEM competitions
>earn first places all day every day
>school is always insisting in sending me to compete
>get scholarships from 2 big name places
>ignore scholarships to enter a recently formed university (~14 years of service at the time)
>same old, ace university tests, go to contests, make connections, 2 years in drop out
>was in the dean's list every semester
>parent's can't figure out why
>they don't buy in me telling them school is a meme
>fast forward four years, went back in and finished the degree where I left of plus another one (no loans needed)
>Mechatronics engineer with a heavy focus in automation and a second one in Electrical engineering
>tell parents I'll never work as an engineer, because I can't see myself getting rich from that
>they think I'm dumb
>fast forward
>have enough money to not have to work
>have enough money to have people come ask me for loans
>have enough money to lend money to my parents who are both doctors
>parent's still insist that they want me getting an office job
>it's not enough money
>it's never enough

>>15522340
cant even use the proper arrow either

>>15524108
They rightfully complain about the state of the American economy, but then in the very next comment section they advocate for more programs like UBI and free healthcare. Do you think they are even capable of connecting the dots here?

It's all so tiresome.

>>15529278
sounds like you have boomer parents. material success is fun, however if you want to fill the emptiness a clean diet and spiritual lifestyle are required. many doomers and delusional boomers

>>15529144
Nah I know that my career is worth. Most of the offers are around the same. The best one I've seen is 190k base with 15% of base to 401k + sign on bonus of my entire tuition (68k) for a 5 year commitment. I'm not committing to anything because I'm not sure I want to live here long term. Plus I'm well off and don't even need student loans for this.

Anyway the point is to not spend undergrad going to a private college. My friend is a doctor making 200k in pediatrics with 500k in debt because she went all private schools. Waiting for the 10 year loan forgiveness meme kek

>>15529278
It's not about how much money you have, it's about appearances.

I could be the richest janitor in the world, and still be looked down on because I'm not doing a respectable job.

>>15525946
>Same with trucking
Truckers make a shit ton of money(considering they have little education). Idk how long they'll be around but as of right now they make good money.

>>15523019
BS in Biochem here. Worked in the lab for 3 years, hated it, could never get a R&D position, only shitty temp jobs and a lucky QC gig that had to let me go because the company was shitty and losing money. Transitioned to QA, but hate it also, even though its a $60,000 salary. I hate writing deviation reports and doing investigations. I want to find a nice comfy work from hob job

>>15526201
There's no way in hell big ass 18 wheelers will ever be automated. Nobody will allow that shit

>>15528769
can you faggots fuck off back to lebbit

>>15522949
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"JUST LEARN TO CODE"
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>>15524071
first of all, nobody cares. second of all, people who ACTUALLY get into positions in a market that is objectively SATURATED TO CELLULAR COLLAPSE with people competing for students (some of them offering their content FOR FREE) WITHOUT having a position or your own relevant business lined up ahead of time garners the sympathy of nobody worthwhile; your average person who gets a degree in ANYTHING social are some of the most cancerous and ignorant people on the planet—the kind of people who LAUGH THEIR FUCKING HEADS OFF when the actions of government stops practical progress, putting hundreds of thousands of independent people across numerous industries out of commission and making an ENTIRE generation of young people unable to afford a life. if you want a basic education these days, it's as bloody well simple as watching videos online and getting hands-on with the tools and items of whichever trade in question; if you DELIBERATELY decide to get into an industry that works specifically with people that are so retarded that they need someone constantly hanging over them making sure that they're learning what they should be learning, then why the hell would you be so surprised that your job pays so little?! of course it's gonna pay next to nothing—it's like trying to train a dog to research biochemistry, and then being surprised when he can't do biochemistry and produces nothing of practical value in his life! you're dealing with people who have no future! nobody—not creditors, not their parents, not the government (well, MAYBE—er, on second thought, MORE LIKELY THAN NOT the government) is gonna be stupid enough to dump money into these people's educations if they're expected to remit payment through some means!

>>15529718
now, this isn't taking into consideration just how much of a cronyist nightmare the education network at large is; you might ask why, if what i had said in the previous paragraph is true, there ARE teachers whose services command insane amounts of money (not rockmusic83), and there ARE students who pay exorbitant sums of money for an education (RIP rockmusic83), and the cronyist aspect of it all aside, it can be broken down effectively with just supply and demand; you have a LOT of people looking to become educators, and by the very nature of how ideas work (one person can teach a classroom full of people), far fewer institutions that actually need to hire people to teach—especially given the fact that, in pretty much ALL practical fields, the stuff that needs to be taught to employees is all content that someone in-house, i.e. a manager, could far more practically teach.
HUGE supply of people with an education degree, and comparatively TINY demand for educators. you practically *must* know people in order to get a position.
it begs the question—unless you're truly passionate about repeating uninspired content from a curriculum that you must strictly follow to a classroom full of kids who, naturally, will not care about or respect you, don't care about the content on offer (especially in the case of males), and who you're barely allowed to engage, *why the hell would you become an educator?! what's the point?!*
if one were truly passionate about educating youth, then i feel very sorry for them; it's a sad state of affairs out there, and the success that they would otherwise almost certainly have as an educator is not guaranteed. such is life under a keynesian economy; it's a crony's game, and it's a clown world.

>>15529728
>>15529718

Anon, I'm not going to trust a Doctor to do surgery on me, or a pilot to fly a plane who only watched videos online and got "hands on".

Although I see the point you're trying to make , there will ALWAYS be certain professions that require an actual college education to perform with at least a standard level of competence.

>>15524157
no they wont, which is why the economy is going to crash so hard

>>15524175
also this

>>15524309
>my college education is worthless
your problem

>>15524911
>integrating new e-commerce logistics operations
so nothing

>>15525311
sounds like your degree is really paying off

>>15529560
It's not about what is allowed, but what is needed. Our nation is crippled without drivers. Once we reach the breaking point or a little before it they will find a way to make it legal. Truck drivers are that important. Short of all the recruitment campaigns suddenly tripling their numbers it is inevitable. We just don't have enough. Great money until then, and we'll still need those guys that run a $5k box of parts to engineers/hospitals 2k miles away straight without stopping. So CDL's will be making good money for a long time yet. Like your construction sites, oil, logging, anything kind of off road. Learning to drive or code is unironically good advice for any 20-something here.

Is this real? I make almost $40 an hour without a degree.

>>15527677
The AnCap future sounds surreal.

>>15525995
Zoomers aren't even old enough to have PhDs you fucking retard.

>>15529560
Why not? Maybe you will only need a human driver once they enter a city to unload or load cargo.

I'm getting a bachelors degree in Management with a concentration in Human Resources. Am I fucked?

>>15530035
if you go work at any fast food place for a while, they'll just make you a manager

there you go, I gave you management experience and paid you to do it.

>>15530049
I use to be in the military and was in a position where I was responsible for a group of soldiers. I guess it could translate into management and HR experience depending on how much I word everything in a resume.

>>15524877
I'm also starting to think like that. There are so many people that fall for the "life is simple anon, just go to college and you will land a 100k job and live well!" and think that the dread they feel while on Computer Science is just anxiety instead of their brain noticing that they are standing out like a sore thumb because they are bad at programming.

>>15521379
College is not job training. It's to make you less pleb. It's why rich people still send their kids.

Protip: most rich kids don't go to ivy league nepotism centers.

>>15521379
It should be illegal to even ask for degrees when not essential for the job, but this country is AGAINST the people. Yet another reason we need to hang bootlickers/cum munchers. They are part of the problem. They like abusive relationships.

>>15521379
You poor fucks. I have no degree and make 5x this

>>15530225
No, you don't. Not even journeymen in the trades (AND in a union) nor truck drivers make 5x that.

>>15530238
I got a friend who drives a truck in TX that makes over 70k a year.

>>15530244
5x15 is 75 an hr. 75×2080 = is 156k

>>15529059
What field, anon?

>>15529876
hence why i say "basic" education, just to be safe in that regard—but even then, if a person without a degree or certificate of some sort gains a reputation among successful, healthy, happy, and generally WEALTHY people for excellence in a particular field, it's probably not without good reason.

>>15527442
(((You)))

>>15527442
>WHERE'S YOUR CAPITAL?
my house and my stock account.

>>15529728
>if one were truly passionate about educating youth, then i feel very sorry for them; it's a sad state of affairs out there
just have your own kids lmao

>>15530238
>if you didnt get a degree you must be a tradesman

I'm planning to go to a bachelor's in Computer Science, even though the market is saturated as fuck and i'm planning to emigrate from my country (not a pajeet). Will networking during college and side projects be enough to land a good job?

>>15530981
Yes, depending on where you look. Many areas are supersaturated with CS degrees, but they are still in demand as a whole. Just know competition will be high.

>>15531117
I don't mind competition, since apparently it's rare to find someone on IT that doesn't hate programming and is good at it (and i think that i'm included on the aforementioned group).
But still, the word in the streets is that the market is absolutely saturated everywhere, and i can't read their minds to know if that's true or that the market is saturated by dumb people that shouldn't be working on STEM because of how dumb they are. What's your take on that, anon?

>>15530108
I tried putting my military experience on a resume and no one ever gave a shit. Most employers truly don't get what the military is and think of it as the boot camp scene from Full Metal Jacket. I'm almost tempted to just take it off and see if there's any difference.

>>15531159
You're right about the market being filled with retards. A significant number of recent CS graduates got the idea that growing up wanting to make videogames would somehow translate into guaranteed six figure job in Silicon Valley. The reality of the situation is that many of these people graduated by the skin of their teeth and are now only qualified for jobs that are being taken by pajeet code monkeys who are will to work for much less. Higher level positions are still in demand, but most companies are looking for people that have already been in the industry for many years.
If you are as good as you say you are, network and get to know some higher ups that have been in the industry for a while. As long as you get your foot in the door at a reputable firm and in a position that is even just slightly above entry level, you'll be off to a good start.

>>15531321
Interesting. What are you currently employed on?

>>15530238
[Laughs in electrician]

>>15530238
Been an electrician. Some areas, yes but you're in shithole "high society" superinflated financial territory. Or you run your own show. Then also yes, but 2x that again in super rich areas

Also no degree. Still make 5x 15$/hour. Not in a trade.

>>15522308
that is pretty sad desu

>>15529370
waiting at a steakhouse is way better