/biz/ - Business & Finance

KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND WOULD HAVE DEFEATED ORANGE MAN

Reminder to collect fat dividends

>>15423842
based, divvys till i die desu

Threadly reminder that this is a meme pic

Tulsi
Marianne
Jill Stein
POWER GAP
Kirsten
Kamela
POWER GAP
everyone else


Debate me

>>15423870
>Debate me
I'm not hitting cripples. I pass

Based orange juice futures have been on a tear lately!

>>15423850
Guaranteed returns every month or quarter on top of possible maker gains is a meme. K

Shots Caller should feel honored to be the thread theme.

>>15423870
Wrong board? But you're right. Still need Trump to stay since he's the only one that can sink the chink.

hello friends, should i take a 10k pay cut to convert from contractor to full time position? would not be taking advantage of 401k match because i don't want to live long enough to utilize retirement accounts. there will be 2 weeks paid vacation though.

>>15423902
>Guaranteed returns that hardly counter inflation are a meme
Yes.
No one is here because he want's a few % gains per years but because he wants to make it out of wagecucking. You can play dividends if you have enough initial capital to fund your lifestyle but not before.

>>15423912
Maybe it nets me a friend or two on here ha...ha
I’m gonna play video games

>>15423928
Still take the match, even if you draw early you still double whatever the match is

>>15423928
Do the 401k match and take the penalty. You should still make 80% profit.

>>15423912
you think a big shot like that would ever come to 4channel? Not likely!

>>15423929
That's assuming you go for low dividend stocks and that they see no or negative gains over the year. If you can't even get 2.5% gain between the stock movement and divies you might be brain dead.

>>15423973
Doesn't matter. It's pocket change.

Give me 1 (one) reason why I should trade stocks. I'm genuinely curious how people tolerate that Trump shakes everyone's accounts with each single tweet or chimp out he does.

>>15424000
its called reinvesting and some companies like JNJ had a dividend compound annual growth rate of ~11% over 30 years

>>15423819
JUST

>>15424030
either short them or buy bonds at this point

>>15424000
K. Guess I just like the idea since I'm a high wage wage cuck so I can buy in larger quantities. One of the stocks I'm looking at has the potential to double my money every 5 years in dividends alone assuming zero growth. It's up 10% this year. If it can keep that up I double my money every 3 years. Enough to retire on assuming I never put another dollar in. It's comfy.

>>15424030
Because it's free money. Take money you weren't doing anything with but holding in a bank account losing 4% every year on inflation and take a chance at making a fortune over time.

>>15424038
(((Economists say)))

my estimate is the ten year yield goes to 1% in the next year or so. still worth buying

>>15424038
In his defense, Fax Machines have had, and continue to have, a huge impact on the economy. The ability to instantly send documents, signatures, etc completely revolutionized countless industries during the early 80s.

Sooo...

>>15424244
my office receives faxes via email.

>>15424261
Exactly.

Fun fact, did you know HTTP was original designed with Fax Machines in mind? So in a way, Fax Machines were a key component in the initial invention of the internet as we know it today.

Alright /smg/ I have returned from the hardware store with a can of acetone, a bottle of 10 second bond super glue, and a baseball cap with a maple leaf on it. It's party time.

>>15423842

fug

>>15423870

I hear Tulsi is being kicked out of the next dem debate because she didn't (((qualify)))? That bullshit. I need to see more of her flushed sweaty chest.

>>15424274
no one is buying it Paul.
Just accept that you were wrong and move on

T-Babies go long! Never will I sell a single share merely let those Divvy's reinvest themselves so once 20 years or so pass me by or however long it is till I turn 65 turn off the Drip and pocket the Fat Payout.

Do the same thing with all my other positions. AMRN will be the only exception cause fuck let's be real, the Holy Buyout will be a happening once the FDA signs off in Nov or Dec. Big Pharma will not let such epic Profits pass them by. The cost to buy AMRN will be nothing but a drop in a bucket to them. Even if such Glorious buyout don't happen the stock will only go up so I'll make a tidy sum once it hits $50 per at minimum.

>>15424261
Gommie, I followed your method, bought bonds, and am up big.

Techocapitalism is bigger than humanity though. It's too late to stop it.

Had send today

Reminder that if you have no frens just buy some dividend stocks because dividends are you fren.

>>15423870

Trump for epic stock gains :)

Debate me!

>>15424377
congrats anon. I'm glad you listened.

>Techocapitalism is bigger than humanity though. It's too late to stop it.
Nothing is inevitable anon.

Oh god I missed the dings sorry frens
>get home from night/morning shift
>throat hurts, headache, yucky feel
>just a short nap, 45 minutes and I'll wake up and poast the dings
>sleep for 6 hours

>>15424440
I'm up 1% on the dot btw

>>15424244
Lol all that is done on the internet now, you drunk gramps?

>>15424440
I posted dings in previous thread in your absence.

Also six hour nap is best nap as long as you don't wake up with a splitting headache. It's about 50/50 chance when I do a nap that powerful.

Plays for next week

WKHS
GBR

Bull or Bear plays on chink shit for the week after I see how Monday goes and if tariffs go through.

>>15424000
It's compounding returns, if you hold during a market downturn, it's automatically buying all the dips for you.

It basically rewards you for holding stock during a recession, and if you pick a good one... do I really have to tell you the parable of Buffett and the KO?

>>15424047
>>15424060
Yep, and you can get those sick tax-free gains if you load up on a Roth IRA dividend portfolio.

>>15423842
>>15423902
Holy fuck, for some reason there's an hour long video of her just walking around and drinking beer in a park. Eventually she shows her body in a bikini and DOES A CRAB WALK!!

She's got no butt, of course, because that is the Jap way. But I still think someone who is a wizard of webms should make one out of this, because... well because of the fucking crab market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfxJtLGpBBE&t=3577s

(at least I think it's the same girl... google translate isnt helping)

>>15423430
I do plan on diversifying after GALT is done

>>15424430
>Techocapitalism is bigger than humanity though. It's too late to stop it
It is tho, well maybe not capitalism but capital itself. As long as there's heat in the universe there will be capital, as long as there's capital capitalism will be a mode of production too efficient to ignore, as long as there are 8 billion+ vestigal organs of capital swarming on this rock efficiency and personal convenience will be prioritized over group wellfare, there is no "us", there is no future, there is only this diabolical machine of capital until the end of time. Whiggish views of history were wrong because they were predicated on christian-apologetic notions of humanistic ends of history within man's time on this planet, there is no end just the Mappō.
>>15424463
I still feel sick :(

Anyone else not able to focus on their folio because of hurricane prep?

>>15424430
Post the method. I've got 9k clearing tomorrow.

>>15424440

sjm in the buy zone nearly again
anything around 102 or better 99. keep a close eye

>>15424505
I don't buy that capitalism is a fundamental logic of the universe, it is contingent. thermodynamic equilibrium is very different than capitalist equilibrium or the logic of reproduction necessary for capitalism. Systems with exponential growth like capitalism tend not to last very long on the timescale of the universe.

>>15424528
pic related

When yield curve inverts put everything into bonds for three years and before pulling it out and putting it back into the market. I'm using tennesse valley authority bonds and leveraged treasury etfs.

Personally, I think this might be the last cycle this strategy is viable due to liquidity trap shenanigans.

>>15424479
GALT is definitely done xd

>>15423819
I think its hilarious u kids talking about shot caller. u wouldnt say this stuff to him on stocktwits, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol

>>15424551
chaos -> order -> chaos (ad. infinitum)
is the "logic" of the universe

Capitalism is one form of order (of course not perfect order). Capitalist countries seem to send fewer people to concentration camps (Not that I question Xi's wisdom, I'm sure they're learning good things in those camps). But of course, there's flaws as well, and I don't want to spend an evening debating which is more oppressive to the individual with a commie.

>>15424564
You really should show your work... And you should be starting from the same base point EVERY inversion. If "inversion bonds" account is already worth more going into into inversion, well then yeah that's gonna win.

Seems a little late to go full-bonds now though.

>>15424623
LIKELY gonna win, I just mean it skews the outcome.

is now a good time to enter the market

>>15424623
If anything, capitalism is the movement back towards chaos from an initial energy gradient.

>You really should show your work...
The code in R is kinda fucked after I messed around with it a bit. Maybe I can go back and clean it idk.

>If "inversion bonds" account is already worth more going into into inversion, well then yeah that's gonna win.
I figured it'd be good to have the long run return from this strategy. And it does show that inversion isn't always the clear winner due to the false positive in the 60s.

But perhaps the biggest issue is that it'd be impossible to calculate the capital gains losses from using this strategy if I started at the same basis point every time, which actually hurts the inversion method and was why it dipped so much in the 60s.

>>15424638
there are always companies on sale, even in such an overpriced market like now. nobody knows when the market will tank and even if it does, it will still be super difficult to time it then

>>15424638
The answer to that question is always yes.

>>15424694
>>15424623
>Seems a little late to go full-bonds now though.
Considering 10 year may well approach 1% or less in a recession, it may well still be worth it.

Just imagine what happens if they try negative rates, for example. There's still a lot of money to be made.

>>15423928
forgot to mention i'd have to give up trading since i'd be employed by a financial institution and there'd be clearance requirements and restrictions up the ass. i think i'm not supposed to do it even now but i'm technically employed by a contracting agency...

>>15424417
Who needs frens when I have stocks and 4chan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui9bVFMwYp8
>This is how the Japanese use their nationally funded propaganda network
Sh-should we tell them?

Unironically based as fuck. I wish we had radio calisthenics or just regularly broadcasted fitness programs and shit, instead of like 2 different CSPAN networks and puppets and shit on PBS

>>15424751
Ratholes

i was told today was going to be red.

>>15424808
there's always tomorrow

Fastly Chads report in. Went all in at the ATH at the close today. Ready to ride this rocket for 100% gains.

How many stinky dollaroos do I need for a gravure pole-dancing-fitness qt idol gf?

>>15423941
This makes me feel a little sorry for you, but I still don't trust you and I'm not going to follow any of your calls.

>>15424772
The stocks and 4chan were your frens all along!

>>15425039
i would let this girl murder me

>>15424225
Probably. There's a really and truly obnoxious and dishonest guy on twitter who is currently shorting bonds, so I'm hoping he gets absolutely rekt.

>>15425035
You should only trust yourself anyway. We're on a Laotian cheese factory forum. At least he has had some interesting ideas and contributed to the discussion. Now all he needs to do is stop being cringe by talking to himself.

>>15423941
Pathetic
Not going to make it

>>15424417
i feel all warm and fuzzy desu

just realized how badly i botched the initial negotiations for salary

>>15424417
I want to build a dividend account where I get dividends every month is there a nice calendar that shows what's available? I already have T so I only need 3 more minimum.

>>15425233
It's ok fren just remember you are priceless

>>15425343
ive seen this from some anon here on /smg/ post his here

>>15425434
I knew I had seen something about it recently forgot where though. Thanks. Anyone with any other suggestions I'd appreciate. I'm going to go through this list and see what works best in the current market and post my results.

>>15425434
>>15425468
Hello Friends. I in fact made this list. Sometimes I go by the trip Shot Caller. If you go on over to my youtube channel i think i can show you some great trades

>>15425542
I’ve seen you around before you do great trades. You have a discord or something?

>>15425542
>>15425559
uh oh he forgot to switch accounts

>>15425434
Difference between red and black?

>>15425574
I was trying to find out myself I don't see a difference between yield and dividend aristocrats unless it was just a snapshot of which were up/down

>>15425574
the black was stuff he had and red was stuff he needed to buy if I recall.

Still believe everything is fine

>>15425158 hmm pretending to be two different people? >>15423941

>>15425559, trying to give yourself attention at >>15425542?

>>15425542
divfren made the >>15425434 list

i know becuse I'm divfren.

thanks for spreading the word about doing the DEW

Dividends Every Week

>>15425664
>>15425642
I’m sorry I just don’t have friends

>>15425574
>>15425601
yeah, black is in my divportfolio and red is my watchlist, allthough i'm just too lazy to change my watchlist so

pic related is from my ally account so you know I actually own the shit I shill

>>15425682
I've seen you around and I noticed you know what you're doing.

>>15425664
I was suspicious it wasnt that other guy as i didnt recall his name with that pic.

>>15425682
How many of the ids in this thread are yours?

>>15424773
>when your government is run by nationalists who care about the nation
w-why did i have to be born into neoliberal capitalist hellhole America

>>15425664
Oh I just realized the columns are weeks. Have you done any more work on the chart since the one that was posted? I'm interested in building a portfolio like it and I am going to look for alternatives since I think some of these aren't ideal for div yield or company position, but I'm not familiar with alternatives yet to offer anything. I'll spend some time this week on it and try to add

Stock I owned had a lot of insiders purchases driving the price up. Good idea to sell or a good sign to hold?

We in for some big China new tomorrow?

VER
SPYG
F
LVL
T
PFE
LMLP
BAC
NYMT
ORC
CSCO
PSEC
AMZA
CEFL
DOC
SPGP
NRZ
SPHD
AMLP
SPYD
PBCT

>>15426083
no reason to buy anything except for CEFL, KNG, and GDX

>>15425061
is there a worse idea than shorting bonds?
why on earth would you try to bet against a bunch of guys with infinite money?

>>people still using memes i posted weeks ago
feels good man

also holy sit gommie is back?

also, dont forget to buy your LCI puts while you still can!

are REITs a good buy in this world of negative rates?

I was thinking down the road (debt free and such) I would buy them for my non-retirement account and use them for passive income

I'd also wait for a crash or a time when they're on sale but am I fucked up on this one or?

So I accidentally glued my fingers together with super glue this evening. That was exciting. I don't know if this is a bullish or bearish sign.

>>15426195
I think they shine as rates lower and become not so great as rates rise

>>15424638
just buy it faggot

>>15426195
get a real rental property instead. they make good tax shelters.

>>15424564
what are inversion bonds? short term bonds?

>every other poster thinks a stock market crash is imminent
>yield curve is all over my podcasts this past year

This feels very odd to me. It’s the type of thing that makes me think we’re not in for a bear market anytime soon, but then again, we can talk ourselves in to a recession or a market selloff, and Germany has already begun its economic contraction.

I want to be contrarian bullish but this just seems so abnormal to me. Was it ever like this in the past?

Hell, just this last session, stocks gold and oil were all green?

>>15426342
yeah but that requires effort, REITs seem perfect

and being a landlord sucks unless you pay a manager

>>15426560
Maybe, but I usually like a boss to know the job he’s hiring someone else to do. If you’ve managed property before, you’ll probably be good at knowing what to look for and what to do when your subordinate blows it.

Actually, this is a good idea. Maybe I should look into being a property manager.

>>15426000
What stock?

>>15426504
>we can talk ourselves in to a recession or a market selloff
It's gonna happen. It's going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Boomers are gonna get JUST'd, and it's going to be cheapies galore for the rest of us. Set some money aside :^)

>>15426606
>boomers getting JUSTed
This has never happened, and I don’t see it happening. Millennials are going to get fucked, just like last time. You’ll be okay zoomie, but no one has ever been as lucky as the boomers.

>>15426581
that's fair, I think if you've got the real estate personality then it's a great move

I'd just rather click a button and get exposure/dividends but to each their own

love these threads by the way fuck crypto

>>15426620
I got that ETH tho

>>15426632
>tfw 1 year waging and I still have a negative net worth

30k of debt left bros

>>15426504
If it were just technical analysis junk, I'd be pretty bullish for the next few months and fairly confident we'd see SPX 3200.

The trade war is the real fly in the ointment, since it keeps escalating. I'm fully expecting China to announce retaliatory tariffs Friday just before the open, and for Trump to tweet out something in response (like the tariffs planned for Oct 1st will now go into effect next Friday, or something like that). Algos will flip their shit and we'll crab our way down to the low 2800s-mid 2700s again, followed by crabbing back up over the next week, followed by more escalation. Maybe Trump will blink, maybe not. We've almost completely recovered from last Friday's scare, so I suspect Trump sees that and feels emboldened.

The best bull case I see is things getting so bad over the next couple weeks that the Fed does a 50-100bps cut at the Sept meeting, which could get us up above SPX 3000 again.

>>15426616
>Millennials are going to get fucked, just like last time
Absolutely this. We're all going to have to wagecuck in nursing homes for elderly boomers who will yell at us about avocado toast while we wipe their wrinkled asses.

>>15426711
>why aren’t you millennials buying real estate, eh!?
Except it’ll be in their houses, which they are NEVER FUCKING SELLING, IRON HANDS. And we’ll just have to commute there, and have them yell at us for stealing their jewelry when they forget they pawned it.

>>15426670
Jesus... I guess I should start looking at what bond ETFs to buy, instead of trying to build a stack of the best companies in the market on pullbacks.

And I should keep a lot of cash on hand for tweets and news stories so I can FOMO cash into TQQQ, SQQQ, TVIX, (maybe UDOW, and SDOW, and whichever ETFs ultra-short the vix)

I'm honestly more worried about the impending social security crisis more than some stock market volatility

I'm 24 and I honestly don't think I'll get any social security and if I do my future tax rate will make me wish I didn't

>>15424525
Yep. Jacksonville here. Fuggin sucks

>>15426721
>Except it’ll be in their houses, which they are NEVER FUCKING SELLING, IRON HANDS.
The houses will be listed on Zillow, but defiantly for a cool million above the market value. The houses will sit on the market for decades and the aging boomers will moan about how they want to downsize, but only for the right price.

>>15426791
this is already starting to happen in some places

>>15426744
not really worried about that
like if social security just suddenly gets completely axed, who cares? good riddance
I'm more concerned about the environment than social security

>>15426744
>I'm 24 and I honestly don't think I'll get any social security
No, no you won't. You are currently just transferring wealth to boomers and you will never have the favor returned, because when the last boomer dies Boomer Protocol X will be implemented. All Social Security documentation will be permanently erased from all government databases and every Social Security office will be sucked into an alternate dimension, leaving only a faint smell of 90s era boxed white zinfandel.

Mood

the next recession is unironically priced in

don't @ me

>>15426896
Priced into assets too, right? So during the next expansion we can expect the cost of the average McMansion to rise from $1 million to $3 million?

Can we still keep our stagnant wages? I do so love our stagnant wages...

>>15426933

actually scratch that. everything i'm holding is priced in.

all your shit you'll need to baghold until 2050

I'm down 25% on ACB

>>15426981

people actually buy these zoomer memestocks?

dude weed lmao

>>15426981
Down 38% in CGC, 39% ETH
Because I kept buying the dips, they’re two of my largest holdings. 12% each of my RH portfolio.

I sorta kinda want to fuckkng end it all.

>>15424274
a little less than exactly

>>15424541
>Cio isn’t bullish
Imagine thinking this.
As far as I can tell, he’s bullish on both stocks and bonds, though it seems TLT has run up too much too fast.

>>15427081

your pic related is correct. It's unusual to have all this volatility and media talk before the big one even happens. Dot com crash was a more of a low steady early drop before it really fell apart. 2008 had normal correction style drop, normal post correction bounce, VIOLENT DROP again, bounce, and another death drop once more with feeling.

Skimming through S&P weekly chart going all the way back to the 70's, it seems there is a level that, once broken, means liquidate all longs and start shorting everything: 200 week simple moving average. If the S&P breaks below that line, there is a high probability of serious crash to follow. Incidentally, the 200 week is exactly where the 2018 drop found low support.

>>15427236
The pic you responded to wasn’t a prediction?

Did you mean the other pic, that the stock market will have one more big push higher?

(I can’t believe I watched all of both seasons of haganai. The little sister was gross, and it was just so much fanservice)

>>15427093
Its not that hes not bullish that betrays me its thats hes not GOLDEN bullish anymore. and adding to Tlt while its 2 segments above the BB is financial suicide, I dont know what digusting things went through his head

>>15427289
>The pic you responded to wasn’t a prediction?

Nah I was just saying the twitter post was right, assuming a recession does take place.

After crunching some numbers with some nodejs and online tools, I've deduced that the best 3 fund portfolio that maximizes sharpe ratio consists of the following:
>57.09% UPRO
>36.80% TMF
>6.11% SVXY
rebalanced daily. I'm gonna dewit.

>>15427398
How are the covered calls doing?

>>15427443
switched to the upro/tmf strategy last friday. the thought of amd tanking hard was just too much stress.

>>15427398
God damn you’re that bullish about the market right now that you want to go full leveraged S&P, 20 year treasury, and leveraged inverse Vix?

You’re mad, post some of these backtested strategies.

damn son futures green day confirmed
we must have got some good #data

>>15427465
Blue line is upro/tmf 40/60 split >>15427460
Red line is >>15427398
im using portfoliovisualizer.com to generate this. It's monte carlo so the weights might be slightly off if you tried it yourself, but not by much.

>>15427497

They shot straight up about an hour ago. Tomorrow should be fun.

>>15427465
>>15427398
Also why UPRO instead of TQQQ?

>>15427304
Kekkies wow yeah TLT is really way up there. You think that’s the position he added to? Jeez, but I could never short it, there’s just too much incentive for cash to keep piling in to the good old US Treasury.

I’m not feeling too golden myself, besides your argument seemed to be that we were headed for ATH because that’s what is supposed to happen after an inversion and before a crash, innit? Seems like the market is going to have some real problems after the next leg up if we don’t get some heavy duty QE and MMT magic, and/or we get some sort of easing of the trade war.

>>15427566
i guess tqqq is better lel. I'll do this then idk

>>15427566
seems like playing around with dates and getting picky, it doesn't really matter, as long as upro and tqqq add up to the 54%-59% allocation range together.

>>15427586
This is cool, but it’s assuming a constant bull market growth like we’ve had for he last 10 years, right?

The case for the crab seems pretty good right now. Trump is basically keeping the market rangebound, pumping it whenever it gets too low, and then firing off a volley in the trade war every time it gets too green.

>>15427647
a bull market would help for sure, but upro/tmf itself has been backtested to before the etfs were even created and still found to outperform spy, despite going through the dotcom boom, '08, black monday, etc. I don't see a reason it should fundamentally change anytime soon.

>>15424077
Economist are saying crypto is going to be the next big thing. I guess we best all sell now before they exit scam on us

>>15427658
I won’t pretend I understand how that works, it seems like it should have gotten crushed during those market flattenings or downturns.

Love that pic though. Here’s one that I only use for special occasions, like this creation of your new portfolio. Please use it carefully, its very powerful.

>“Escalation of the trade war won’t benefit China, nor the U.S., nor the world,” Gao said. “The most important thing is to create the necessary conditions for continuing negotiations.”

Seems this is what boosted futures. Meanwhile, looks like armored vehicles and troops are rolling into Hong Kong, and it seems like no one is concerned... coincidence? Coordinated?

Fuck...

>Uh oh.

>Warren Buffett, known for being one of the world's most prescient investors, has kept quiet on whether U.S. equities are too expensive at a time when the global economy is slowing, Bloomberg reports. But he's reportedly hoarding a record $122 billion in cash at Berkshire Hathaway Inc., leading to some speculation that he sees a recession on the horizon, or at least is sending some sort of warning. The cash pile is more than half the value of Berkshire's $208 billion portfolio of public companies, and the only time that percentage has reportedly been higher since 1987 was in the years leading up to the 2008 financial crisis.

>Bloomberg also points out that Buffett's favorite gauge of the stock market, the market capitalization-to-GDP ratio, doesn't paint a pretty picture at the moment. The barometer, which measures the total value of the stock market as a percentage of GDP, was reportedly telling before the last two economic downturns. It shot up 146 percent at the peak of the dot-com bubble in 2000, and 137 percent just before the financial crisis in 2008. It reportedly hit 154 percent in 2017 and Bloomberg reports that it's almost certainly higher today since the U.S. stock market is up. If it wasn't clear already, the lower the ratio, the better.

>Just one more thing to keep an eye on. Read more at Bloomberg.
>Tim O'Donnell

Massive FUD article making some good points. I better go to sleep so I can reassess in a few hours.

>>15428055
>It reportedly hit 154 percent in 2017 and Bloomberg reports that it's almost certainly higher today since the U.S. stock market is up

I don't follow this. "Almost certainly"? They didn't check?

>>15428213
Dunno man, I just don’t know.

Really want to get in on some of that UDOW or TQQQ when schwab premarket opens, but I’m afraid this won’t last.

My dad's pretty good at demo trading, makes profits at it consistently. Does that mean anything?

He wants to teach me how to do it but I don't really have the drive or interest. However, I do want to help pull our family out from poverty and will do this if I could make gains.

>>15426155
Yeah who would short housing bonds? Those MBSs are triple AAA rated bro. Like for real, its 2008, the housing market is booming. Morons.

>>15426762
I'm in west palm beach. 5 am update shows it making landfall as a strong cat 3 only 5 mph away from cat 4

>futures

Reminder all the smart has left the market. You’re trading against algorithms.

>>15428535
>You will never out trade the algos
Just knife me to death in my sleep already

>>15426504
Stocks may still go up for several months if that's you're time horizon. If you're time horizon is longer, these will be prime shorting opportunities presumably

>>15426896
T. Milton Friedman

>>15428570
You got to stop playing their game anon. See the bigger picture of the capitalist cycle of crisis

>>15428055
Le Smiling Ice Cream Grandpa has met his match in today’s Wall Street. His losses will be >our gains. It was only a matter of time.

>sell GDXJ in october 2017 to buy shitcoins
>GDXJ is now up 30%
>shitcoins all down 99%
fuck I shoulda been a stockfag all along

>>15428646

Plunge protection team working overtime

$300 SPY when?

>>15424751
>forgot to mention i'd have to give up trading
Imagine making any career move that would result in you not being able to trade any more. Just think about it, brehs. Fucking horrifying.

>>15428502
China is capitulate to Orange Man
America wins bigly
SP500 Futures Green light for moon shot

>>15428797
We've only got maybe 5 more years of this tweet-based market where you sort of need to be able to trade all day. Most of the rest of your life, just buying great companies on pullbacks, stuffing money in etfs, and shorting the garbage that's shilled here will be enough. You can probably do that in the after hours when you get home from work.

>>15428800
Then why is my TQQQ dipping bro... not cool, not cool! It's at my basis wtf?! Was I supposed to sell at like 60.70?!

>Trailing stop buys
I didn't know about this, very cool in theory.
Neat!

I hate this drooling braindead boomer who does the pre-market show on CNBC. Sunny, stop playing WoW and give him an ahegao face!

Joe something, I dont know

WKHS on SSR today guys something big might be coming

>>15428938
joe is based

They're going to crash the market with no survivors and pin it on Trump.

Threadly reminder that Trump was a pro-wrestling guy and knows the game. Trump is the heel.

>>15428989
What are you saying?

>Bitcoin decimated
>futures mooning
Like clockwork

>>15429051
MIGA!

>GDP data due within the hour
OH FUCK
I didn't want to TQQQ right into a data dump that I have absolutely NO insight into!

If I sell now I'm barely gonna breakeven after Chuck takes his cut.
But maybe China gonna go full Martial Law on Hong Kong...

GDP is gonna be down... the market might freak, this why I hate green opens.

>>15429050
Feels like he can barely string a sentence together... lots of cringe...

>>15429068
I think he's saying WKHS was put under short-sale restriction.

>>15429100
Data sounds decent, which is... maybe ok. I dunno, sometimes the market likes bad data, to give the fed room to cut.

>>15429100
Joe takes time to warm up to, just like Cramer. Give it time, pretty soon you'll be wishing he was you dad and that me made you pancakes on Saturday. Now get out there champ, and make us all some money. I'm proud of you sport.

US grew 2%, 2.1% expected.
Meh

>>15429170
Th-thanks pop!

>>15429068
SSR. As in the SEC restriction on short selling list. People can't short it for the next 2 days or so

>>15429170
My dad's pancakes suck

>>15429271
Kind of explains why you turned out communist

>>15428829
>We've only got maybe 5 more years of this tweet-based market where you sort of need to be able to trade all day. Most of the rest of your life, just buying great companies on pullbacks, stuffing money in etfs, and shorting the garbage that's shilled here will be enough. You can probably do that in the after hours when you get home from work.
Interesting thought. I would consider going to a more passive strategy in the long term, but only if I had enough that I could retire on single digit returns.

Morning /smg/! Futures looking as green as a nice spring day.Silver also continuing to pump which makes me happy. The end of August is upon us, which means (hopefully) volume starts picking up and we break out of this range one way or the other.

SunTrust Robinson ups LCI price target to $10, from $7.

>>15429284
>bad pancakes turn people commie
>tfw might become a dad soon myself
Waffles it is, then.

>>15429188
Growth almost entirely came from consumer spend, that's a foundation built on sand

>>15426655
I believe in you!

>>15429284
>>15429344
He does make good waffles tho

Daily reminder you should buy ETSY.

Anybody have fidelity's bull of the day?

>>15429356
Im glad he can operate a toaster

I feel bad for Mike Santoli... his daily wrap-up thing, where he has to make these terrible puns based on a theme. Just awful.

>>15429363
Just buy altria, merck, and disney. And keep buying them until you're dead.

>>15429347
We have the best consumers though, and we've made shopping so easy. The Economist did a story where they had a reporter tag along with a Jumia delivery person... jeez.

What do you want our economy to be built on, fucking automobiles?

>>15429387
You're not going to have much long or medium term growth without investment spending

>>15424467
Trump just tweeted about how great our economy is, and literally the only problem is Powell the PenisPuncher.

Stock market is neon green. Yeah, we're getting tariffs.

>>15429398
Oh my god.

China's going to just start slaughtering the hong kongers right before the opening, aren't they? I'm guessing tuesday, right after the tariffs kick in.

That's just what a totalitarian regime bent on crushing the individual into a nationalistic undifferentiated mass would want.

>>15429399
Im sticking with Workhorse play for next week. They are buying a huge GM factory that had to shutdown and knowing Trump and his undying hatred for them I can smell some sort of tweet. That aside and actual real news, they are getting a big contract next week to make a fleet of vehicles for UPS. I'm looking to trade out before the PR Thursday and just lock in some gainz.

Fuck China. Trump needs to hit the no deal button this weekend.

What y'all think about this?
>>15425288
>>15425407
>>15425702
FDX stand to gain bigguns?

CEO and a few executives bought stock. Sell or hold? It went past my buy in price. JCP.

>>15424564
Do you think we'll enter a liquidity trap?

>>15428989
Its on SSR cause the price dropped so hard on the 28th at closing

>>15429563
Lets spin the wheel and see what i open at!

>>15429559
Seems pretty obvious at this point desu. Theyll try to get around it with negative rates, eliminating cash, more extreme monetary policies.

Today we form the triple top.

>U.S. Steel

I’m thinking we’re back!

>>15429578
I thought Japan had that problem because they did some other shenanigans and made it worse. How do you perceive us getting out of it?

>they didnt buy ATVI last month
My portfolio might be 94% ATVI but I still made hundreds of dollars

Holding 1/15th of my LCI is doing nothing but dropping my gainz. FUCK.

>>15429630
War. Socialism. Or we dont.

>>15429645
U din trim yesterday? Itll go back up soon. Everyones raising price targets. Companys doing great

Fastly up 6% and has 1/2 it's average volume traded in the first ten minutes. Get in bros were going to $100.

WKHS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2dJ-JUzhVs

anyone else got a gut feeling Septembers gonna be bullish AF?

>>15429662
I sold tons of calls at the top and dropped 1400/1500 shares. I just don't like seeing my green dildo being stifled on the daily.

>>15429658
Reason being, unlike with japan in the 90s, this problem will be global. Every developed economy will likely have negative interest rates.

>>15429700
Those that dont have their sovereign debt in trouble anyway

>>15426504
>just this last session, stocks gold and oil were all green
why does it matter what happens over a single session

>>15429578
hahaha negative rates... you really are a colossal faggot with no clue how capitalism works. This is America not the European Peoples Socialist Union.

>>15428797
there was an anon in another thread saying they supported bernie's 0.5% transaction tax because it meant they'd get their student debt paid off and in the next post they asked about real estate investing

Look at that! Based Merck hitting 52 week highs again. I guess healing the sick is its own reward...

>>15429645
You’re supposed to short the top and log the bottom...

>>15429612
>tfw Nucor
Fuck steel. I have a feeling this money would be more useful elsewhere. There’s yield, but they’re paying me to slash my basis.

>>15429716
It’s more about what moves together/separately. Gold&bonds are risk-off, stocks are risk-on and bullish on the economy/monetary policy, oil is tricky: related to growth/industry, middle-east conflict, Permian output, etc.

>>15429725
I kinda wish we were Japan. They got them hawaii gorls.

RVLV taking off apparently on news that Forever 21 is filing for bankruptcy.

WSM tanked following ER, I like their products so I might jump in there.

>>15429725
Give it a minute

whew been holding SPXL since 46 >_>
finally get day for dump it and play WoW no stress yay

>>15423941
when me pretend be two people
me always ironically and easy for tell even when using diff IP

>>15429774
I mean I get it, unless we do this right away because of climate change we'll just die. So we'll have negative yielding bonds people will buy anyway because if they buy equities the taxes will fuck them worse than the bonds. Also they don't allow you to have cash either, so we have to buy the negative yielding bonds.

STOP NOT-BUYING!!!

Was anyone big-brained enough to go SOXL?

>>15429805
I bought some GBR yesterday. The poor thing literally only has 1207 volume today.

>>15429805
buy PM

>>15429823
Yeah, i sold too early probably though

>>15429786
Dude baggie. Climate change is bullshit

>>15429837
Maybe if it goes down to 71 again.

I already have 107.5 shares of MO...

>>15429876
No climate change is real dude. We live in a changing climate. Some days I go outside and it's sunny, some times it's rainy. We live in a changing climate.

>>15429890
That's called weather and shes always been fickle

Got tired of freebies, which outlet I should subscribe FT, bloomberg or wsj? Already have economist. Not looking for investment advice just something interesting

>>15429876
how is it climate change bullshit

>>15429876
Yeah, but GSM is real. Food shortages ahead.

>>15429923
I use (((bloomberg)))

Anyone know what this chart is called?

>>15429923
Not Barron’s?
I subscribe to the podcasts from all of these publications, and get a lot of good stuff.

>>15429928
climates always changes since the earth was a molten rock mass, also solar flares, and uhhhhh fuck the libs

>>15429938
He doesn’t have my vote.

>>15429949
A line chart

>>15429949
yeah its called "try some real companies"

>>15429876
>>15429890

This port is gonna /make it/

>>15429976
Imagine having been here for so long, yet somehow also being this new

>>15429952
that doesn't mean its bullshit it just means its natural. The fucking heat this summer was far too intense from anything i've ever experienced before in my entire life.

>>15429949
The IPO.

LCI just keeps going!!! Why did I trim!?!? Every other time it would go back down at least a bit, but noooo the time I decide to lock in some profits is the time it stays up

>>15429985
They can both be actually retarded even while only pretending to be retarded anon

>>15430015
Thx for taking one for the team. It had to be one of us.

>>15429976
gommie is the worst

>>15430015
What? It hit over 8.60 30 times yesterday. How did you not close over that.

>>15429986
Turn off your air conditioners! All of the airconditioners running in New delhi raised the temp like 1 full degree.

Also, urban heat islands. How many summers have you been through for you to think you think your experience demonstrates anything significant?

>>15429984
kekkies, what were your entry points?

Today definitely seemed like a wait-for-the-dip in the bond market kind of day. How often are you planning on rebalancing?

Just... buy some Merck if it ever dips...

>>15429700
Japan isn't out of it yet. Do you think raising rates and shooting ourselves now for less pain later would help or nah?

>>15429949
I'm very curious about this duplicated pattern on my own portfolio, that the S&P500 also roughly displayed.

>>15430015
Look, assuming you were just out to make a profit and you made a profit don't worry about it. If LCI is really turning around and is on the track for long-term success, it really could be a $60 stock again. If you sit ot out a little bit and buy back in later there will be plenty of room to make further profits.

I regret making a sell call at 0.69 for JCP. The stock is at 0.82 now. Did I make a mistake anons?

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!
I was about to change my stoploss, and I got stopped out of TQQQ... at a loss.

OLLI just crashed like 30%, could be opportunity to ride a deadcat bounce.

Oof, Shot Caller anon, your BOX puts must be kind hurting right now. The stock is approaching $14.25.

>>15430044
3 and a half. I turn 5 years old in a few weeks

eternal fake and gay market

Catching an ass whooping on my shares of PESX right now

>>15430116
There's still plenty of time until exp so I just averaged down. Considering doing the same on my LCI put.

BAKA just dumped hard. Fuck me right.

>>15430099

>>15430104
Not necessarily. For one thing, there's no guarantee that you would have sold at the current price had you not sold calls. You might have held out for a further increase in price only to see the price dump back down to $0.50. Whether or not it was a good bet at the time and whether it ended up being a good bet in retrospect comes down to your individual circumstances.

>>15430104
Cover the call, sell the stock, and buy a real company. If you do that then no mistakes were made.

>>15430104
Pic related.

How bad did I mess up on pic sell call?

>>15430156

lmao

>>15430134
Hey man I’ve seen you around and you seem like you know your stuff. Do you have like a blog or a YouTube channel or something?

>>15430163
Lol

>>15430163
he's got a premium snap chat.

>>15430044
rebalance everyday near close

Bought 5 50$ 9/20 Call options for OLLI, will probably sell today or tomorrow for a grand.

Wtf there's ALWAYS pullback on LCI. ALWAYS. IT JUMPED 40% IN A DAY SEVERAL TIMES, NOW ITS UP 50% AND IT KEEPS GOING THE ONE TIME I TAKE PROFITS!!! FUCK THIS GAY EARTH

>>15430153
This is one of the reasons I do sell calls. I think "do I want to sell it?" if yes I make a sell call. If it goes up well I wouldve likely sold it anyways. If it goes down at least I locked in profits and may have kept the shares.

>>15430155
Not sure how to do this. I did it with stock I already own. Which I poorly decide to purchase on a pump.

>>15430059
No that'd almost instantly crash the economy by hitting profits. We are living in a very low rate of profit environment which is not sustainable for capitalism.

I talk all about the problem here: https://bunkermundo.wordpress.com/2019/08/25/everything-a-communist-needs-to-know-about-the-stock-market/

>>15426827
>15426827
just woke up

underrated post

>>15430163
>>15430175
Baggie those snaps were for you and you alone...

>>15430156
One thing I dont understand, what does the -660 mean? A bunch of the stuff on it makes no sense. For example say I bought 100 shares at 0.55 and made a sell call. Premium of 0.10 with a strike price of 0.50. If it is at 0.51 or higher no matter what I make a profit, correct? In which why does it show a negative number?

This bitch got blacked at google, and is saying she was harassed now. Can’t wait to sell my shares after next earnings which I know they will kill.

>>15430155
No, don't do that (unless you really just want to get rid of those JCP shares). Look at his pic.

>>15430156
There's a $0.06 spread. He would need to pay $0.36 roughly to close his calls, in order to sell the shares at $0.81. It says in the pic he got $0.19 premium per share on his calls. You can do the math but by holding his calls, if it keeps going up, ge effectively solf at $0.69. If he buys back his calls he might as well have sold at $0.64 ($0.81 - $0.36 + $0.19). Bad deal! And there's no guaruntee that the share price won't crash while he's doing this transaction. Hold your open calls, sir.

Imagine not buying those calls I told you to 5 minutes ago, these are only going up today. At this point I can't recommend it anymore.

>implying the (((market))) doesn’t already take Tariff Man’s comments with 1/1000000th of a grain of salt already

Plebs, they will never learn

>>15430242
Itnerssting. It just got 3 cuts to price target.

>>15430220
Jesus Christ she looks like my Ex

>>15430220
why is (((silicon valley))) so fucking gay

>>15430208
if you look at one contract, you sold it for a 19 cent credit and it's currently worth 33 cents. so you have to pay 33 cents if you want to close the position, multiply that 2 thousand times and you get your -$660

>>15430250
Boy, it fell 30% after announcing less revenue cause they were opening dozens of more stores. Its not gonna shoot over where it was, but its an easy couple thousand as it bounces.

>>15430250
Its close to 57 now, I would bet on 59-62 by end of today or tomorrow.

>>15430208
so your position loss is the absolute value of 19 - 33 times 20 or $280

Im actually a little miffed I was late as I was. I always check the big winners and losers of the morning to see potential plays but I decided to fucking eat instead. Thats gonna cost me like 2-3k.

>>15430208
>For example say I bought 100 shares at 0.55 and made a sell call. Premium of 0.10 with a strike price of 0.50. If it is at 0.51 or higher no matter what I make a profit, correct?

You would make a profit at .46 or above with a max gain of 5 bucks on the whole deal.

>>15430281
That could be a misleading way to put it (or call it in this case). That would only be his loss if he planned to close his position.

Went ahead and bought shares too for the bounce. Literally all my gains of note today already.

>>15430322
We don't have all the information on how he's covering the call. This is assuming the position is completely naked.

>>15430220
Only whites can get blacked

Holy shit I’m getting fucking rekt. MO and JNJ are doing very poorly today.

But worst of all, I got memed into buying ETH way way high up there, it’s almost halved in value, I don’t even know what these gambling tokens fuckkng do...

>>15430341
True, but that would be a wrong assumption because Robinhood doesn't allow selling naked options.

>>15430354
Short window to still get OLLI still, I would go with shares at this point as apposed to calls.

>>15429739
Paying back debt is almost always a better return on investment then what you can make in real estate or the stock market

>>15430262
Oh I get it now. So assuming I just let it expire and the stock is above strike price I will make a profit. If it is at or below strike price I keep the premium and the shares, correct?

>>15430358
The guy just wanted to understand what all the numbers mean...

>>15430363
Sorry shot caller, I’m gonna stay out of these plays I don’t understand. Playing off of an earnings call I didn’t listen to seems unwise.

>>15430380
correct, if it's at the strike they'll probably call them away. I dunno though, that's up to the contract hodler

>>15429876
I just mean the political and world ending parts of it

>>15430322
Ive found the way info is set up on robinhood can lead to misunderstandings as Ive been confused by the app before. It's a covered sell call.

NEW
>>15430405
>>15430405
>>15430405

ATTN: LCI IS NOW TRADING AT CORRECT BOOK VALUE

>>15428968
>>15428968
>>15428968
>>15428968
fresh bread

>>15430390
I'm not that faggot.

https://realmoney.thestreet.com/investing/stocks/ollie-s-stock-now-a-bargain-too-15071419

>>15430354
just hold those 2 stocks for 10+ years and enjoy some nutty yield on cost desu

>>15430410
>>15430413
Wow nothing can stop LCI today

>>15430392
Ehh Robinhood seems to automatically exercise a contract if its in the money even if the buyer wouldnt want to buy it eg strike price 0.50, premium 0.10, ending share price 0.51. A loss but apparently it'd get automatically called.

Three threads up atm, good one retards

>>15430462
And you’re not invited to any of them.

>>15430426
Well fuck yeah, I’m not planning on selling them down here if that’s what you’re getting at.

>>15430421
Yeah... I haven’t been following the discount stores, but I know Cramer used to be a big fan, and I heard good things. I missed the crazy dip, now it’s just waiting to see if there’s another sloooooow drop.

How high would we go on the indexes after a trade agreement announcement? I feel like an initial rise of around 5% but a possible crash to give it all back in the days after. In any case, we are closer by the day to that agreement being inked. Time frens, time is unstoppable and with it we have a deal.

>>15430549
Anon. No one wants a deal. Xi and Trump want eachother's head on a pike.

>>15430582
Oops missed new bread. Sooner or later it has to happen. For me, it’s SPY weekly calls until that time.

can some mod shoah one of these threads
>>15428968
>>15430405

>>15425559
LMAO

404'd x2
lol

>Jannies
They work very hard!

lol

>>15430613
What the fuck did you do and why

>>15431124
This a crypto board! Take your stock market spam somewhere else!

>>15431142
nobody wants your useless shit coins we want the fucking patents on the technology.

Shot caller very silent today? What gives?

Bulls for the win

>>15431139
i asked for 1, cheeto jannies did 2

I fucked up

I thought this was a thread on proper technique on how to fuck cows without catching severe injuries. Wtf what gives with crypto and stock talk

>>15430546
Glad this thread is still up, based jannies

>>15431168
How did you manage that one?

>>15431168
I fucked up bad

>>15431168
Holy shit what'd you do?

>>15431189
So this is those infinite losses I hear about?

>>15431189
wow... you should've just held LCI bro....

>>15431189
Ah cry me a river anything under a grand really isn't all that much

>>15431168
just rotate your phone to the left, you're fine bro going strait up.

>>15431187
>>15431190
>>15431201
I thought the economy was about to hit a brick

>>15431203
The funny thing is, hes right.

making new thread in 1 minute unless omeone does

>>15431221
in b4 5 more threads are made desu

>>15431209
>I thought the economy was about to hit a brick
But the inversion signal says it takes like a year or 2 and the rest is on a Trump tweet (chaos) and the Chinese (who hate unpredictable things). That is crab market, not recession yet.

>>15431221
Real chads post 13 threads at the same time unannounced to ruin literally hours of discussion.

>>15431203
Never messed with LCI

>>15431206
The way to prosperity is paved with high volatility and juicy dividend payouts.

>>15431243
>>15431243
>>15431243
NEW

>>15423912
Did you read the op?

>>15431237
>Never messed with LCI
LCI is only for the people that know whats going on and have strong hands...

LCI to $60

>>15431206
Shit, if I'm gonna set money on fire, I ought as well take a 22% interest rate loan on a $75,000 car that'll be worth $9,000 by the time I pay the loan off
>>15431255
TLT got me to like $800 before. I'm hoping to ride it again

>>15431209
So Robinhood doesn't make you put up the cash to pay for the difference up front? Seems dangerous given their target demographic. If you just sell single puts, you have to put the full strike price as collateral.

>>15431268
They'll just draft my account if the option expires worthless
It'll be okay. REGN has been fucking disgusting