/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>1529922
what, adderall?

One way ticket to dependency and addiction too

100% worth it too

Adderall literally changed my life.
I have accomplished more in the last 2 years than I had my entire life before that.

>>1529986
Please, go on.

>>1529922
what kind of doctor do i visit to get prescribed an average dose? I was clinically diagnosed with ADHD and ADD by several doctors as a child but I dont know if I have any tangible proof laying around. Not willing to spend thousands of dollars to prove that I have adhd again just to get this prescription however.

>>1529986
How the fuck do I get this shit, there are no doctors here and I can't have this shit show up on my mom's insurance.
And it's so fucking expensive online

This isn't fair, everyday i reading about people's lives changing because of it and I can't get any.

I used to be on concerta made me a nervous wreck

I got my old prescription papers today, gonna have it refilled soon. Ironic you made this thread.

I want to also be the adderol king if my local community college

>>1529993
It's too much to tell but the short version is I was a hs dropout and unemployed then lost 100 pounds, started my own business that's payed for my college, car, and house, and 2 years into my comp eng degree
>>1530020
You don't need proof. You just need to find the right doctor.


ADHD inattentive type is the easiest to fake

Memorize the ADHD/ADD symptoms

Tell your doctor you have had these symptoms your entire life - very important because ADHD/ADD symptoms do not randomly appear later in life

Describe the symptoms and let your doctor diagnose you. Do NOT ask for adderall. Let the doctor diagnose you and accept the given ADHD medication then tell the doctor it isn't working until you get what you want.

>>1530035
Modafinil is a good alternative if you can't afford the illegal Adderall.
I wouldn't risk getting adderall illegally anyways because its a schedule II.
Modadinil is only a schedule IV and it's safer because you can't use it to get high.
Google modafinilcat

>>1530091
>Modafinil is a good alternative if you can't afford the illegal Adderall.
It isn't I tried it and it did nothing

I finally got diagnosed with inattentive-type ADHD after suspecting I had it for close to two years. It's literally the cause of all of my problems (except my ineptness around women, which is due to anxiety).
I got an adderall prescription last week and it's too fucking weak. It's 5mg and I can't feel a damn thing.

>>1530091
good job on getting up on your feet man!

>>1530091
Agree on modifinil.

Adderrall is legal meth. It works but know you will become a meth head if you continue to use either too much at once or for too long. Be ready to crash hard but it is an amazing version of meth

>>1530094
Everyone reacts differently I guess.

I would definitely agree that it's nothing compared to the rush you get from Adderall but I can feel a difference on it. I take 200-400mgs daily during times that I take tolerance breaks from Adderall.
For someone who has never taken any stimulants especially I think it would have a big impact.


Also wow I just noticed modafinilcat shut down

Adderall pretty much saved my life. Got close to dropping out and going full hikki during my college years. Now I've got a good job, steady career, and 300k in savings and investments.
However, it seems like the tolerance has been ramping up lately and I really don't want to increase my dosage. Am I gonna be fucked when it completely loses it's effect?

>>1530104
They always start you out that low. If you haven't already taken more than you should to get high you can call your doctor and tell them that dose isn't working.
They will ask you to bring back what you have and write you a higher dose. If they try taking the old ones complain about the cost too and they should work with you.
I was started on 5mg then 2 weeks later bumped to 10mg then a few months later 15mg and now im on 20mg

They start you as low as possible because you need to increase it over time in order for it to keep working because of the tolerance you will develop.

If you feel like you are responsible enough not to chase the high I would definitely recommend taking this opportunity to use that first script to get high. I ended up doing that with mine and it was amazing and really improved my outlook on life. You won't be able to experience it after you build up a tolerance.
Only if you think you have the ability to stop yourself from chasing that high though. If your family has a history of abuse or anything like that I wouldn't take the risk.

>>1530104
5 is pretty low, but you should feel a slight buzz if you take it in optimal conditions.

>>1530091
>Modafinil is a good alternative if you can't afford the illegal Adderall.
This. You can find it from RxRex on Little Biggy.

>Modadinil is only a schedule IV and it's safer because you can't use it to get high.
A lot of Moda is imported from India here to the states. It still has to go through Customs, but nothing ever happens.

>>1530094
Take it on an empty stomach in the morning with a coffee, you'll feel it then. You have to exacerbate the effects I've noticed.

>>1530123
Moda is much safer than Addy, so I recommend it.

>>1530125
Modacat is shit. Use RxRex, he'll send you 100 200mg tabs for $100.

Anyone have any questions about Moda, I can answer.

>>1530123
Methamphetamine and amphetamine is different.
Plus adderall isn't even all amphetamine, it also has dextroamphetamine.

>>1530123
It's not meth, it's related to meth. The risks on therapeutic doses are also fairly low, unless you abuse it like a retard.

>>1530155
The first time I took it, I got anxious and my head immediately got cloudy. About half an hour later my head cleared up and I was in a good mood, but I wouldn't call it euphoria. I didn't feel like I was more focused at all. I've taken it a few more times since then and I've been trying two pills at a time (10mg) and I don't really feel anything except a bit more awake.
That's on XR, but I also took a 5mg tab of IR and didn't feel shit.
I need to get the dosage increased. Should probably send a message ASAP before I forget, since I meant to do it on monday.

>>1530152
I have no interest in getting high. It doesn't appeal to me. I just want to be able to focus.

>>1530170
5 mg of XR is nothing. I had to increase to 10mg IR before it was effective. Taking it on an empty stomach makes a pretty big difference.

>>1530104
>>1530104
I am also pretty socially inept but it was easy to get around that.

Start lifting weights if you don't already. It only 30-60 minutes 2-3 times per week to see results.
Even if you don't diet right at least you are gaining fat and muscle. You can lose fat fast but it takes time to build muscle.
There's also the added bonus that when you do finally lose weight having that muscle mass increases your metabolic rate. This allows you to lose weight faster than a person with no muscle mass.

Learn how to dress well properly too.
Don't let meaningless things influence what you wear. and don't be one of those people who pretend that they don't care.
The clothing you wear is a powerful tool that can be used to influence people's perception of you. Don't squander it.
I used be that type of person and I would put no effort into the way I looked wearing jeans and a tshirt all the time.
The way people treated me differently after I started dressing better was mind blowing to me.

You should also act confident all the time even if you aren't. There is no reason not to at least pretend that you are the most confident person in the room. You have nothing to lose by doing so and any reason you can think of not to is just in your head.

If a woman is attracted to you it really doesn't matter what you say.
It also helps if you communicate via text to start with. You should also take the time to practice on randos. After you have a basic script down it just becomes a numbers game.

>>1530157
Yea I get my modafinil from India

I don't take Modafinil and Adderall together either. It feels like if I take both I don't get what I would have if I had just taken the Adderall by itself.

>>1530078
l-theanine might help with the anxiety. It's popular to take it with coffee for that reason.

>>1530170
You might have gotten the cloudy head from being dehydrated. l-theanine or magnesium supplements might help with the anxiety too.

I should do my homework instead of wasting adderall writing walls of text

>>1530205
>tart lifting weights if you don't already.
I do. I stopped during the summer for no reason in particular but I've gotten in the habit again. I don't do anything strenuous but I have a couple of dumbbells and I make them about as heavy as I can manage and do bench presses and squats. I've been meaning to start doing sit-ups again as well.
I will lose a lot of weight once I get on a good dose of adderall. My biggest problem is that I eat almost compulsively, but even at 5mg adderall curbs my appetite.

>>1530217
>You might have gotten the cloudy head from being dehydrated
Nah, it was definitely anxiety. It happened INSTANTLY when I swallowed the pill, and I'm always nervous about new medication.

just need to doubledown your adderal with some benzos aww yee

I called a psychiatrist to schedule an ADHD test. Idk if I should've asked for that specifically but whatever. I have all the symptoms. I totally prefer vyvanse to Addie's tbough, can I ask for a switch if I get Addies or how does that work?

Ive had adhd since i was a kid. Mentioned to my parenta andbmy mother blocked any help because "mental diseases are for people who dont believe in god and satan starts to poison their minds, if you believe in jesus you wont have any mental issues "

So that being said i never got treated. Dropped out of highschool due to boredom? Idk.

But ive neve rbeen able to focus on anything in my life,

How do i word this to a doctor? I think now at 24 i fucking need help. Im going nowhere as i jump from job to job , im really bad at wording things
too.

How do i describe this to my doctor without sounding like im just trying to get medication?

>spent $250 on various ADHD tests
>over 10 hours spent in sessions
>received my results, IQ of 114 and no psychological/learning disorders
>tfw

...thanks

>>1530078
I take dextroamphetamine and my doc claims ive got anxiety so they suggested that I switch over to concerta because the non-amphetamine based ones elicit anxiety symptoms a lot less

>>1530396
Should have gone to a regular primary care doctor that advertises treating ADHD not a psychiatrist

If you wanna get fucked there are cheaper alternatives to a psychiatrist


>>1530359
You are over thinking it.
All you need to do is walk in and describe the adhd inattentive type symptoms.
Say you have had this problem your entire life and talk about the detrimental effect being so bad that you are finally seeking help etc.
Just list the symptoms right and he will do his job and diagnose you correctly. If you don't get the medication you are seeking right away just tell him it isn't working until you do.
You could also look up negative side effects that what you were given has and that what you want doesn't have.
Then you describe the known negative side effects and you stand a better chance at getting what you want because it isn't known for these negative side effects.


>>1530415
Concerta isn't going to make you reach your full potential like Adderall will. Why are you skipping out on the levoamphetamine?

>>1529922
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall#Side_effects
I don't want to burn myself out making money by using a drug that will put me in a hospital where I have to spend all that hard earned money on medical bills.

>>1529922
>voluntarily taking drugs
>ever

Is this easy enough to get in aus?

>>1529922
>Want to be a millionaire
>Spend your money doing drugs that are highly addictive and probably die of an overdose!

You're not tricking me today, Jewboy.

>>1530164
dextroamphetamine is simply the right isomer of amphetamine aka the only "effective" part of amphetamine. Adderall is 75-25 dextro-levo split, giving it 1.5x the strength of straight amphetamine and .75x the strength of pure dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine, etc.)

>>1530359
say literally exactly that. It's not that difficult. You often have to pass a drug test before receiving a script though, when I was getting my prescription back after travelling (20 mg IR 2x daily) my doctor told me that they didn't have a drug test for me on record and needed one before writing any new scripts. It's only really for hard shit like meth and, of course, amphetamine; I had smoked weed two days prior and assumed it'd be fine, didn't try and postpone the test or anything. That was two weeks back, so they clearly didn't care about just weed, but some doctors are super strict. People on bluelight have claimed to have been dropped from their practices for testing positive due to patient contracts, so be sure you're up to date on that.

>>1530530
if you get the generic Concerta, you can peel off the shell (eat it, it contains methylphenidate) and section the interior for instant release doses- some people find that more efficient: taking doses for when focus is needed instead of receiving continual low doses throughout the day (covering mealtimes and the later night, which I prefer to be on as little of a stimulant as possible, personally.)

As for not reaching a full potential on Concerta (-methylphenidate in general, I presume, so Ritalin too) as opposed to Adderall is dependent on a number of factors, such as drug interactions, anxiety, abuse control concerns... Personally I've been on theoretically equivalent doses of IR Adderall and Ritalin, and Adderall was certainly smoother and more natural feeling while Ritalin was more akin to cocaine, with significant euphoria and creative bursts of energy- for that reason I've only used Ritalin occasionally for recreational/creative purposes for these last few months and used Adderall as my daily ADHD treatment option.

>>1530415
In regards to anxiety, I always found Ritalin/methylphenidate to be greatly more anxiety inducing than Adderall- I was mugged during the period I was on Ritalin and had days afterward where it was difficult to leave the house in the evening out of paranoia, even for short trips to the corner store and whatnot. Do listen to your doctor, but certainly inform them if you encounter issues with what they want to give you.

>>1530205
Neat clothes are not needed, they just need to be clean, along with your body, and just not make you look like a clown.

I am the "i do not care about what i wear" guy. Mainly that is because most good looking clothes make your body feel (and appear) more stiff and are generally not comfortable. Plus, i don't feel comfortable myself continually trying to pose as something i am not.

You know very well that there are plenty of "tshirt and flip-flops" guys getting a lot of girls. It is much more important to wear what you feel better to wear, than what you believe will deliberatly be liked.

modafonil / provigil anyone?

>>1530594
You are wasting a tool because of meaningless personal preference.
It doesn't matter what some guys can do it's about putting yourself in a position that will give you the greatest statistical chance for success.

Here a grossly over simplified example:
-You are looking for a girl friend
-75% of women prefer men who wear red shirts

Would it make sense to wear a blue shirt just because blue is your favorite color? You would just be squandering opportunity for what?
How you feel about what you wear is meaningless and arbitrary. It does nothing to further your agenda.

You can't let emotions dictate your actions at the expense of long term happiness

What about Donepezil or Noopept

Or what about eating low carb and doing proper exercise?

Or what about shutting the fuck up and paying the fuck attention for once in your goddamn life you fucking spazoid little shit!

>>1530630
A lot of clothes that most men think look good look fucking ignorant.

An example would be dressed slacks with that dumb fucking crease down the front of the legs. I mean look at this retard. It's like he is pissing down both of his legs. Like I can't tell where his penis is or anything. It just looks fucking stupid artistically and aesthetically.

To me it says "hey I'm a fucking retard with absolutely no sense of class"

>>1530644
Yes listen and obey
Surely you will make millions

>>1530650
You don't wear clothing men think look good if you are looking for a girlfriend.
What purpose would that serve?
You wear clothing that women statistically find more attractive.

I've taken ad (xr) a few times. I first snorted it and got high and distracted by everything and found work too boring to do. The other times i took a 2-3 normally and while I wasn't high, i still couldn't pay much attention. what do?

>>1530723
PS i do have more trouble than typical in focusing on work, procrastination, and have much forgetfullness if not studying but im certain I dont have adhd

>>1529922
Doesn't work that way. Kiddies get addicted, crash and burn.

Are you a millionaire? No, you aren't.

You fucking punk ass drug addicts, you should be euthanized because you're lazy pussies. If it actually takes pills for you to finish a university degree, you're just sad and in no place to give someone else tips. Work on your own psyche instead of taking pills because with those pills your brain may work the way you want it to work but deep down you're still that fragile faggot with the wrong foundation becuase you have gotten the wrong education from your parents. You are retards in the literal sense.

>>1530091
what business did you start OP

>>1530734
And will surely mess with your brain in the long run.

Rn here.
You guys are a bunch of dumb shits.
Don't beleve everything you read on the internet kids.

>>1530091
>Modadinil is only a schedule IV and it's safer because you can't use it to get high.
because it's weaker than coffee morons.

>>1530955
>Rn here
hahahahahahahah

>>1530653
Fuck bro do you have discord, I would love to have a chat with you bout this stuff.

I did adderall for awhile and I'm pretty sure it cut a year off my life.

Not worth it but I got shit done

>>1530157
Anyone know how to get Moda shipped to Canada?

>>1529922
Been taking this shit (inconsistently) for years. It's most definitely the productive man's drug

I've always been good about rationing it out, generally only take it two or three times a week. Most I've ever taken it in one week was five times. If I take it too often, I get tolerant and it becomes less effective so I try to strategize and plan ahead for the days I'll need it the most

Wondering what it's going to do to my health in the long run. A couple times a year, I usually endure a stretch of a month or two without taking it so I'm atleast confident that I am not addicted

>implying
stims make me uncontrollably horny

>>1529922
>Protip

If ever you need to neutralize the Adderall in your system (IE, sleep, relaxation, rest), the easiest and best way to do it is to take a shitload of Vitamin C

Pic related is my go to. Emergen-C also works good

>>1530748
b8

>>1531512
YES YES good goy

Spend $10 on this Vitamin C

Nevermind the fact that at doses that high your body wont even absorb more than 50% of it

Just take a look at our clever advertisements

You should feel PRIVILEGED to piss out the other 50% of our overpriced product

Don't you DARE think about getting these vitamins from cheap fruits and vegetables

>>1529975
real fallout/dune mentats

>>1529922
Fuck yeah. I was 250lb NEET. My sis told me told me ADD runs in the family and go check a doc. I've been around the block but never pill popped and had no intention for anything. Doc said I had anxiety and ADD. Gave me anxiety meds and adderal. Anxiety made me stop worrying about shit, I stop visiting /pol/. Adderal makes you lose weight, cranks your brain from 10% to 100% with clear focus constantly. I dropped down to 170 fit as fuck and my brain is a powerhouse now. Applied for a job at Nationwide Insurance and not to brag but it seemed like I did the interviewing at my interview instead of the other way around. Quickly got promoting but just making spreadsheets n shit since I have experience in accounting. To give you perspective I showed the company how you make multiple tabs your home screen when you open IE and it blew their mind. Drawback is some nights I didn't sleep at all. Taking a melatonin with Nyquil has been fixing that this month. Fucking bitches daily to, life's great

>>1531792
That's about 1000 milligrams worth of vitamin C. Even if you only 500 milligrams of it that still the equivalent of about 10 Oranges worth of Vitamins. Not exactly easy to consume on a normal day, much less when you are on a drug that naturally reduces your hungry. In my case, I employ these supplements for their chemical values, not their nutritional. No matter how you look at it, dissolving one of those in a glass of water and drinking it is much, as opposed to downing 10 oranges, is far quicker and more convenient. And we all know that convenience sells.

>>1530094
i used Provigil it for a few months in school. i stopped after we were doing each other's pulse rates in class and mine was 145.

>>1531838
congrats on getting your shit together mang

>>1531915
For which chemical values?
Vitamin C does not neutralize adderall that is already in your system.
It is one of many gastrointestinal acidifying agent that would just lower the absorption of it.
The only way this would even have any effect at all as far as that goes is it you took it within like an hour of swallowing the pill.

>>1529922
Hey OP, glancing at your posts I'd say if you haven't read The 48 Laws of Power, I'd give it a look. If the book doesn't teach you anything new, it will refine and further solidify your beliefs.

>>1531838
Gonna need some b4 and after pics m8t, I'm not sold on the miracle drug, personally.

>>1532059
Heard good things about this book before. I just added it to my cart on Amazon along with some others I've been meaning to buy. Thanks for the recommendation!

>>1529922
>>1529986
>2 years

2 years is all you're gonna get out of adderall. eventually, bad side effects set in and the magic is gone. after you get used to it, you're just chasing the dragon.

first time you go a day without it when taking considerable doses every day for some time, you crash hard (stay in bed for 1-2 days sleeping over and over again).

the plus side is that once you quit, you'll learn to get shit done without being twacked out on speed.

>>1529922

Doesn't it cause brain damage over the long term? Fish oil is enough for me, thanks.

>>1532242
What if you only take it 1-2 times a week?

>>1532050
>Vitamin C does not neutralize adderall that is already in your system.
My bad, I should have been more specific. Allow me to clarify;

-Slow Release- Adderall (Adderall XR) can be countered by consuming a large amount of vitamin C

>>1532257
fish oil really doesn't do anything else than helps with shitty modern diet caused deficiencies.

>>1531279
I live in the States, sorry m8. You might just have to find a domestic supplier if your Customs act like dicks.

>>1531512
in addition to this, if you want to boost adderall a little, take a couple tums 10-15 minutes before you take the adderall. it absorbs better in a basic PH.

Used to take 60+ mg a day. Now I can't take it at all or my cock stops working and my heart starts hurting. lol oh well.

>>1529922
I prefer my autism au natural...

I've been an adderall fiend for several years now and I completely agree with OP. Taking adderall everyday will put you on a faster track than the average pleb. The differences in progress and achievement are undeniable over the course of several years of use.

>>1530536
I live in Canada. Socialized health care, etc.

Using nootropics to cheat at the rat race? Now there's an idea I can get behind. I probably owe my entire success to using copious amounts of drugs, in fact -- most of my greatest achievements have their origin in either excessive drug use or manic episodes (sometimes both.)

What I can say about this is that most of the drugs you'll find beneficial aren't going to scale up long-term. For instance -- if you have caffeine every day then not only is the drug going to stop working but you'll start to need it just to feel normal. So drug use requires a huge amount of discipline that most people don't both with.

A good solution to this problem is to start splitting up your drug use so that a single dose is at least a weeks apart. Take caffeine on Monday, amphetamine on Tuesday, nicotine on Wednesday, Modafinil on Thursday ... until you can fill up an entire week. Then, aim to have all those drugs 2 weeks apart again with another weeks worth of compounds and try avoid cross-tolerance between drugs.

In my experience most people don't have the time, money, or skill, to effectively use smart drugs so you're going to want to read up on how drugs work and drug safety too. A good example of what to avoid is thinking of nootropics as if you were choosing your favorite type of candy ... because these are all still potent compounds and you can't just abuse them; Find some good books on pharmacology, invest in some basic equipment to measure doses, and at the very least -- get your compounds tested -- this is still going to be quite foolish but at least you'll know what you're doing. But most people who use drugs aren't even going to do that much which means they'll either end up harming themselves or they'll end up reducing the effects of the drugs they consume so much that they reduce functioning.

Anyone have any cool success stories from smart drugs?

>>1535277

>my entire success
>4chan on a friday night

kys my man

>>1535284
You are absolutely right, friend. I made the entire thing up so that you would notice me because I am deeply insecure. Sorry if I wasted your time.

>>1535277
good thinking, and I bet it works, but fuck that'd require some seriously autistic/OCD levels of organization right there.

I miss dextrostat... My life was so much better on it when I was high... The fucking crashes just eventually got too hard.

>>1530644
noopept doesn't work
I've tried it

>>1535277
So how successful have you become due to these drugs? Are you a millionaire yet?

>>1535335
Worth it though if you don't want to OD or destroy random parts of your brain. It's amazing how careless people are when it comes to drug use.

>>1535551
I'm happy where I am. Bought a house this year without a mortgage and I have near total freedom when it comes to starting businesses or choosing to work at cool companies. Most of it was luck but luck starts to become increasingly more likely the longer you keep working hard so I was bound to get my break sooner or later.

I am extremely lucky to have focused on the tech industry though during this period ... I will say that much

>>1535646
Hey dude, good posts. I'm self studying/writing code 4 hours a day and currently using prescription modafinil, nicotine, tyrosine, and caffeine in a retarded manner, but I'm gonna try and clean shit up.

>>1535277
i'm thinking about nicotine.
the rest is not very interesting or straight up illegal thus not worth the risk.

nicotine can be had from patches and should slightly improve cognitive function memory and alertness also suppresses appetite which is nice addition.

these things are not super drugs if anything they are luxury items. the coffee is a good example it's pretty much stronger than most drugs (except amphetamine and cocaine) and completely legal. the best thing about caffeine is you come off of it very fast in 72 hours or so and can start over. nicotine is a little slower.

>>1535677
the only problem is commercial nicotine is fucking expensive. i mean seriously a single nicotine patch is about as expensive as a pack of cigarettes and you know the low dose ones are the same price as the high dose ones too.

The stereotype of drug-abusing busimessmen is real huh

>>1535698
maybe if you have a lot of money already drugs don't matter much but to get rich by consuming fuck expensive drugs that might also alter your judgement sounds like the golden ticket to end up as a crack whore.

>>1532282
Vitamin C would not counter Adderall XR either because at that point the beads will have already left your stomach and moved further down your gastrointestinal tract

>>1532257
Adderall is safe if taken in moderation as an adult

>>1535277
nice meme science

>>1535677
Most are easy to get a legal script for if you live in the US
I use nicotine gum occasionally but the effects don't last very long.

>>1530396

Same, but the tests were worth finding out i have an IQ of 136

>>1535706
for gum it only lasts like an hour and not as even as a patch. i would like to get patches cheaper but i never found any subscription ones.

>>1529922
I'm using phenibut now, is adderall considerably better?

>>1529922
I took it for a few months in college. It's like that movie Limitless. Absolutely incredible motivation, even when reading dry textbooks.

The only downside is that when you stop taking it, you'll forget everything you were learning; at least in my case.

>mfw everyone in this thread can take all the drugs they want - they will be forever poor

>>1530091
Ah-bloo-bloo

>>1530619
I use adrafinil since it's still legal. It works wonders on concentration and getting shit done. It's what I use when I'm struggling with a problem either at work or in life.

If I had access to modafonil, I'd be a fucking workhorse

>>1535706
>Vitamin C would not counter Adderall XR either because at that point the beads will have already left your stomach and moved further down your gastrointestinal tract
Fugg, man. Has the Vitamin C been working this whole time only because I thought it would?

Not being sarcastic, it really got me wondering

>>1535764
Not to mention health problems.

Plus these sort of drugs are useless if you're a neet who never leaves the house and doesn't do anything that requires energy on the PC. It's useless.
You need intelligence, not speed.

>>1535677
Tolerance for nicotine builds up almost straight away so its the kind of drug you need to reserve for only the hard problems or when you're actually feeling motivated. Interestingly, nicotine isn't any more addictive than caffeine when used by itself so patches should be quite a healthy way to do it but pay attention to withdrawal symptoms:

* headaches
* insomnia
* agitation
* poor appetite
* palpitations
* anxiety
* etc

So if you find it disrupts your sleeping pattern like it has done to mine its best if you use it towards the end of the week so you have a weekend thats drug-free to recover.

FYI: Nicotine is a vastly under-rated nootropic and in my experience it has even more pronounced effects than Ergoloid -- though it lacks that beautiful Ergoloid feeling that you've just woken up to see the sun rise and now you're walking in crisp, clean, mountain air.

Google Ergoloid if you get the chance, btw. It's an old school drug used to treat stroke victims and its surprisingly potent.

>>1531838
Can confirm that it is absolutely amazing for interviews, the confidence and focus is exactly what you need. It's something that I would recommend for anyone, even they don't want to take it regularly. Just make sure to ask for water when they ask you if they can get you anything.

Psychiatrist or General Practice Doctor for script shopping?

>>1536301

you had it in you the whole time billy

Anyone here tried noopept? Is it an good alternative?

>>1529922

doesnt exist in aus

>>1537335
ritalin same thing

i actually do have ADHD and do not go near this shit even though i can get it practically for free working for pharma

i don't understand why you people insist on fucking up your own bodies for short term gains

>>1537345
not the same by a long shot. ritalin has more severe side effects and it cranks you up less.

>>1537108
GPs will generally make getting shit-tier drugs easy (valium, xanax, ambien, temazepam, etc) but won't get you access to good drugs (opiates and stimulants.) For that, you're going to have to go to the psychojew and thats more expensive.

Both are terrible though. You can get any drug online for a cheaper price and have them sent to your door. Checkout grey market pharmacy websites and black market deep web marketplaces if you're curious.

Hi I live in New Zealand. There is no way simply shipping moda would get through customs: I learnt that the hard way by ordering of modacat then using a parcel forwarding service and blew my $ . Any body else here from NZ with exepreince on getting this into NZ?

>>1537523
>New Zealand
Shouldnt have moved to Jew Zealand lol

>>1537538
>moved

i just googled inattentive adhd symptoms and shit i think i actually might have adhd.

what do?

>>1537554
Get adderall or the superior dex if you are a europoor

>>1537554
deal with it

>>1537523
Pls halp

>>1537589
get adderall through a shrink

>>1537596
It isn't even funded in NZ: I fucking hate this country

>>1537617
What about dexedrine?

>>1537623
The name in itself sounds inferior and not worth the hassle

>>1537660
Ur retarded mate, its the superior version of adderall

>>1537561
is finance a good major

smart /fit/ user here, need to declare major

>>1529922
LMFAO what a loser

>>1529922
guys please, the only thing this shitty drug helps you do is clean your room. (experience at 20 mg)

>>1532257
no i think it gives u dopamine so u dont find pleasure in anything and it makes ur heart race.

>>1530748
idk anyone who has become literally successful from adderall theyre all in debt from it

>>1530150
bullshit post you build tolerance the 5th time you take it nice try

>>1530091
if he really has it he doesnt need to show proof this is the occasional liar on the internet trying to find a life

>>1537061
Doesn't nicotine cause cancer?
If not, why does chewing tobacco cause cancer?

How do you how which doctors give it out and the ones that don't?

>>1537816
If you have ADHD and you live in the United States you shouldn't have any trouble getting a prescription.

>>1529922
yeah, judging by the desperate responses ITT, selling adderall would be a great idea
:^)

>>1537715
loser who couldn't manage his dose detected

kill yourself

Merely a bandaid because you can't convince yourself to maintain undivided attention. I suggest take a deep look at what you want to accomplish and be honest with yourself about whether you can get excited about it or not.

Just use reasonable doses of caffeine.

>>1538248
You can be stronger than a drug jus believe in urself :)

>>1529986
Have you ever tried Nootropil?

Is there any way to get adderall in the UK? From what I can tell, the strongest thing they can prescribe is ritalin.

>>1538311
What about straight dexies?

>>1529986
Pathetic

>>1538854
This isn't a "describe your life using one word" thread friendo

>>1538854
jealous
>>1538248
>Just use reasonable doses of caffeine.
lol dude you obiously dont know the difference between adderall and caffeine, adderal is a DAT (Dopamine active Transporter) and Caffeine is a
Adenosine Receptor Antagonist.
ALSO
I take adderall and I love it, I have learned so much due to it.
sure crashes are hard but if you work out and excersize they go away.
as for addiction, I have never felt addiction and I have gone long periods without taking it.
Adderall is great when used in moderation and has turned me into someone who I am proud of.
A negative effect is withdrawal, the symptoms for me are "brain zaps" Blurred vision, Hard time thinking, mild depression and a stuffy nose but these go away after a couple of days without taking it.
Adderall is okay if you use it responsibly.

>>1537729
Studies have shown that Nicotine could have Mutagenic effects but this risk is far less dangerous than tobacco products

>>1536301
Placebo effect is powerful

>>1537713
meme science

>>1537718
meme science
You are confusing the euphoria from getting high with it's "therapeutic" effects

>>1537729
There hasn't been enough evidence in studies to label nicotine as a carcinogen but google tobacco specific nitrosamines
Even with the lack of evidence it does seems kinda weird that it wouldn't if carcinogens are formed from it

>>1537963
Adderall is a schedule II the risk doesn't outweigh the reward

>>1538248
It doesn't matter what you want to accomplish its about what you NEED to accomplish. Why take the stairs up 50 flights when the elevator is right in front of you?

>tfw I actually have ADHD so this only brings me up to normal

>>1532242
>the plus side is that once you quit, you'll learn to get shit done without being twacked out on speed.

This is quite true.

I always joked Adderall is a habit forming drug. It made me develop a lot of good habits that made me more productive and disciplined and motivated.

As far as addiction goes I think its way overstated, especially if you're taking XR. When you stop taking it you're tired for a few days, and after a week at most you're back to normal, but with newly acquired habits.

As long as you take ADHD meds as prescribed, which most college idiots seem incapable of, it is safe. It's not a long term solution though. If you actually have ADHD you need to develop coping mechanisms to deal with the forgetfulness and distraction. Believe it or not, in smarter people ADHD often goes undiagnosed because they have a better ability to develop coping mechanisms.

>>1535720
You forget 99% of everything you do, m8. Drugs or no drugs.

got prescribed but my insurance ran out after I switched from full time to part time at work. Now I don't qualify te get insurance from work and am going on medi-aid. hope that covers xr. don't want shitty generic.

>>1530205
How do I dress well?

I work making methylphenidate pills. Ask me anything.

In a 20mg XR, is each bead inside the capsule 20mg?

Or can you eat half the beads and it's = 10mg?

>>1539010
https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/careers.html

>>1539010
Are you retarded?

>>1539010
>In a 20mg XR, is each bead inside the capsule 20mg?

nigga that'd be like trying to swallow a 5 gallon bucket.

>>1539010

I.. I can't... jesus christ

For those of you seriously looking for a daily (or 5x weekly) routine, do not cuck your brain with adderall daily. Form a rotation. Day 1/day 4 : addy, day2/5: modafinil, day 3/6: caff/nic. Got big shit? Combine any 2. Literally super powers. Just take occasional full breaks from all substances

>>1529986
Son?

>>1539163
A rotation that short is unnecessary and based on unsubstantiated meme science

i have concerta 54mg script but would also want modafinil to be able to function and study while reseting my sleep schedule but its only approved for narcoleptics in my country and modafinilcat etc wont ship here

is ordering it to UK and using skypax to send it to finland too risky? will it get caught

>>1529922
What are your doses? How often do you take adderal and how much?

Did you start taking it because you thought you needed it (ie. ACTUALLY having ADHD and such) or did you think it would just improve your life?

>Prescribed dexamphetamine 2 weeks ago for ADHD
>Haven't touched them yet, bc I don't like the idea having an altered mental state.

What was your first time on stims like? They're sitting there on the shelf staring at me. I wish I had the courage to try them.

>>1539376
I have no personal experience of dexamphetamine, but imo you should try take a dose. If you really don't like the altered mind state, just stop taking them.

If you are hesitant about using them and got them perscribed, i guess you acutally need them to funktion "properly"

>>1539030
>>1539033
>>1539123
>>1539130
Each 20 mg capsule contains 5 mg of each of the 4 active salts
Each 25 mg capsule contains 6.25 mg of each of the 4 active salts.

How to tell which beads are which salts?

>>1539456
without a chemical analysis, you cant know. Unless they color code the salts, and you find which is which.

>>1539376
You're a massive MASSIVE pussy.
Quit being a pussy, pussy.

My first experience with dex was as follows.
I took it and tried to study immediately after dosing.
Wasn't able to.
I sat in my living room and looked out the window.
After a while I began to feel intense focus on the birds in the tree outside my window.
I then decided to try to study and found it easy.

>>1538886
Whats the routine intake? Do i have to be 25+ yrs old?

>>1539184
Whats a good rotation?

I take 15mg of methamphetamine twice a day. It's cheaper, longer lasting, and in my opinion has fewer side effects than adderall (minus the insane urge to redose. DONT SMOKE IT).

Can someone confirm if this works long term? Objective analysis only. No "muh feels" or subjective opinions. I have to know if this drug is worth taking to help me earn more money.

>>1539816
How exactly do you work out what 15mg is considering street meth is of variable purity and doesn't AFAIK come in pill form?
>DON'T SMOKE IT
Fucking obviously.
Don't inject either.

>>1539817
I've been taking dexamphetamine daily for 8 years and it still works on me.
I don't feel euphoria like I used to, but I still get focus from it, which is what I need.

>>1539837
I use a miligram scale to weigh it out then capsule it up. Fortunately I live in a part of the US where meth is dirt cheap and usually extremely pure.

>>1530020
>>1530091
>ADD/ADHD
I always get 3/18 or something on these internet tests. I'm unfortunately too honest to lie about it, too. Shit sucks. I'll answer these questions and you'll see why I can never get a legit diagnosis of anything. It's /blog/ (or perhaps /depression/) time.

>1. I have difficulty getting organized.
I know I can do it, but I'm too lazy. I can get organized when it matters.

>2. When given a task, I usually procrastinate rather than doing it right away.
Yes, and no. The vast majority of tasks are better left until the last minute, but sometimes (like for school work) it's best to do them straight away and be done with it, so that you can be lazy and do nothing for the rest of the week.

>3. I work on a lot of projects, but can't seem to complete most of them.
Oh yeah. I get bored and don't give a shit. But again, if it's a "real" project (school again for example), of course I finish it. I have to, or I'm wasting my time unnecessarily.

>4. I tend to make decisions and act on them impulsively — like spending money, getting sexually involved with someone, diving into new activities, and changing plans.
I want to, but no. I might want to buy a snack for example, or an item of whatever sort, but in almost all cases (even where the vast majority of people would've bought the snack/drink or whatever - even when someone else offers to pay for it), I'll refrain. I have an intense dislike of spending money unnecessarily, and it's not because I'm poor, because I'm not. I never was. I wasn't taught either, my parents aren't like that. They think eat what we have, I think save what we have.

>5. I get bored easily.
Yes, but no. My natural state is to be unimpressed. So if something's boring, I won't get "bored", because I'm already kind of "eh". I'll just deal with it. Doing absolutely nothing, waiting, is fine. I'd rather just let time pass than do some useless activity to try to pass it quicker (he says, writing a lengthy post on 4chan).

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>>1540214
>6. No matter how much I do or how hard I try, I just can't seem to reach my goals.
Too vague a question to even answer. Is my goal to take a shit? Mission accomplished. Is it to become a millionaire? Not even close.

>7. I often get distracted when people are talking; I just tune out or drift off.
Sometimes, if they say something that makes me think of a much larger subject than what they're speaking of, momentarily, but generally no. I'll keep what they're saying in a sort of buffer memory, and occasionally I forget what they said before I finish my interjection (interjection = present the idea they made me think of, then address what they said while I was thinking). But this is completely normal behaviour, people don't think sequentially but rather organically (i.e. I don't wait for this activity to finish before I start the next one, I can follow along enough while still spinning up another thread of thought).

>8. I get so wrapped up in some things I do that I can hardly stop to take a break or switch to doing something else.
GAMING! No, I hardly even play anymore at all. I want to, but I never get to it. If it's something that you can take a break from, yeah sure. Why not? I won't even think of what I was doing while I'm gone, unless it's as a motivator to get back quicker.

>9. I tend to overdo things even when they're not good for me — like compulsive shopping, drinking too much, overworking, and overeating.
No, no no. No. Less is more when it comes to activities. I'm too lazy for this shit. "This" = anything that doesn't involve standing in a hot shower, or sleeping.

>10. I get frustrated easily and I get impatient when things are going too slowly.
Internally, yes. But managing breathing and going in your mind-space (no, that's not some MKULTRA shit, I simply mean thinking your way out of where you currently are) solves this. Grimace if you have to, sigh if you have to, but don't be an asshole to anyone.

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>>1540219
>11. My self-esteem is not as high as that of others I know.
Depends on what you mean with self-esteem. I believe I could accomplish most things if I put my mind to them. But I have a hard time exaggerating, or even telling the plain truth about myself or my qualities in anything but a purely descriptive manner. I take most things for granted, where others would try to present that particular aspect of themselves as something "special". I am not special, you are not special. Shut the fuck up.

>12. I need a lot of stimulation from things like action movies and video games, new purchases, being among lively friends, driving fast or engaging in extreme sports.
I used to play all day, every day. But now I can't even bring myself to start a game a lot of the time. If I do, I'll play a while, stop for something, and just not start again. I watch a movie a day, or episode of a show. All sorts of movies, all sorts of shows (well, I screen shows closer because it's a larger time commitment). I do it before bed, and then I either shut the computer off immediately (movie), or read about the episode on avclub (show). It's like reading a book before sleeping, helps the mind relax.

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>>1540224
>13. I tend to say or do things without thinking, and sometimes that gets me into trouble.
Saying/doing something without thinking is a physiological impossibility, but what they mean here is carelessly/without an informed thought behind it often accompanied by a different mind-space as compared to the real place you're in. No, I don't do that. If you ever feel like you aren't aware of what you're doing - stop. It's like being drunk, it's really quite easy to appear non-drunk (I know this because after drinking a bottle, I can still trick people into thinking I haven't had anything) - all you have to do is stop, go through the steps that you SHOULD be doing (i.e. if you weren't drunk), and do them. Contrary to common opinion, I would say being drunk increases your ability to do precisely this, get in your head and reason things through before you do them. To do that without being drunk is much more difficult. Should you do activity X excessively? Stop, breathe, think about what a normal person would do, then do one better than that. If that means not doing more of what you want to do, just stop doing it.

TL;DR to question 13: No.

>14. I'd rather do things my own way than follow the rules and procedures of others.
Yes, but the rules and procedures are probably there for a reason. Too general a question - it depends on the situation.

>15. I often find myself tapping a pencil, swinging my leg, or doing something else to work off nervous energy.
Leg swing up and down, at age 28. Sure, yes. If I'm alone. Otherwise, no. Most of the time I'll just internalize that energy. I "play drums" on my body at home all the time if there's no music, not sure if related. High-BPM electronic music tends to manage a lot of this sort of energy. Just listen to something with a fast beat, and follow along with your mind. The more layers to it, the better, probably.

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>>1540227
>16. I can feel suddenly depressed when I'm separated from people, projects or things that I like to be involved with.
No. I'm more or less a loner by heart. Family is important, but even then I need a lot of alone time. If it was time to break off with a certain group of people/project, it was time. Shit sucks. Time to move on. The only time I was more "depressed" than waking up every morning asking myself why I wake up every morning, was when my girlfriend left me about a year ago. Cried like a baby. I'm over that. She's dead to me.

>17. I see myself differently than others see me, and when someone gets angry with me for doing something that upset them I'm often very surprised.
No, I generally know how I'm percieved. But often that's a counter to how the other person is. If someone's feeling down, I'll try to cheer them up, if someone's overly energetic, I'll try to calm them down. I try to equalize the energy, so to speak. It's pretty easy to figure out people's limits, or attitudes towards things. You can just ask in various roundabout ways if you're uncertain, anyway. No problem. If I upset you, I probably did it on purpose.

>18. Even though I worry a lot about dangerous things that are unlikely to happen to me, I tend to be careless and accident prone.
I worry about everything all the time, yes. Not particularly "dangerous" things that would happen to me, in fact I don't care if I died by accident sometime in the future. I just wouldn't want my family to be around to experience the loss of me, and that's why I can't let anything bad ever happen. I don't want to saddle anyone else with that guilt, so I have no choice but to be as careful as a normal person should be, and live my life like anyone would.

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>>1540233
>19. Even though I have a lot of fears, people would describe me as a risk taker.
No, and no. I was once asked to tell an interviewer about the largest risk that I took, and I explained that I couldn't really come up with any - because I don't take risks. Her example was something stupid like an education you started, a job or a trip. To me, that's just not on the radar to qualify as "risk". I take risks, but they're always so calculated that they're not really risks to me. They're more like the kind of risk you'd take gambling, where you try to maximize your odds. Be prepared for the worst outcome, but hope for the best.

>20. I make a lot of careless mistakes.
No.

>21. I have blood relatives who suffer from ADD, depression, bipolar disorder, or substance abuse.
Not really. Substance abuse, one relative. Half-brother assburgers (fucking bullshit diagnosis, he 100% believes it himself though so I'm not going to comment on it), pathetic hypochondriac - bwaah muh brain health. He's the reason I'm 90% sure I could get pills even if I didn't lie, if I got to tell as detailed answers as here. But I don't want to.

Good day, /biz/.

>>1540236
you seem like a guy who does a lot of planning and talking about success but too busy to actualize your plans.

I am currently on prescription for 40mg Vyvanse, but I feel like it's not doing anything. Should I switch to Adderall (never tried before) or increase my dosage? I tried concerta in the past, but it just made my anxiety worse

>>1540471
If I was you I'd try to get dexamphetamine (I think it's called Adderall IR in the US).
Personally I think dex and ritalin are so much better than extended release medications.
It means you can take them only when you need to work, which adds to their effectiveness because taking pills before studying is a ritual that makes you think "ok, I've taken my pills, time to get shit done".

>>1530035
maybe you can look on erowid amphetamine, shit's not as expensive as all the doctor fees and prescriptions and you can make your own doses
adderal is just amphetamine and amphetamines have a focussing effect on people who suffer from ADD.
In my honest opinion i think there is no big difference between it and adderal or ritaline, it's was just the way to patent amphetamines, make it nearly impossible for normal people to make and thus get massive profit.
Unless you want Modafinil/ Provigil, that's another story and i don't know much about it.

>>1530091
modafinil is prescritpion in many countries thus liable for legal penalties

>>1540269
Yeah, I am very busy - doing nothing.

I think I could go on something (like adderall) and actually get focused/start daytrading again for example. But I don't want to go on some drug just to function. I'm just poorly motivated, there's nothing actually wrong with me.

>>1540214
>>1540219
>>1540224
>>1540227
>>1540233
>>1540236
Your answers are like pretty much every other normie underachiever ever...you will never make it.

Sup Bros. I have 2 older brothers. One is a druggie and in jail the other is clean & has over a million dollars in real estate. You can be successful, and most successful people do this without substance abuse.

For the record, I don't drink or smoke ether. I personally am worth about 400k net mainly due to real estate investments & insurance sales.

>>1542269
does the brother in jail happen to be the middle child?

>>1539212
I got some Concerta 54mg ready to be cracked for my thesis dissertation. Haven't touched it yet and it will be the first time I'll be using a stimulant. Am I going turbo mode starting with this dosage? And more importantly, if I take it one every three days is it going to help me out with my thesis working part/full time - 4 to 8 hours a day?

>>1543110
depends on your weight etc but you will probably get a stimulated "high" for a short period of time but it will stabilize. and yeah its going to help specially with extra-dull parts of academic work

>>1543110
Taking it when you need it is fine, it helps you not build up a tolerance as quickly.