/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>15280512
i dont agree with everything in the article, but it is 80% accurate

>>15280512
>>15280686
Honestly man, if you could get in a time machine and bring someone from 500 years ago back to this time period and show them how you live
If you told them you're poor, they would laugh in your face.

>>15280720
Yeah, can't wait to see how the world looks in 2100.

>>15280512
The free market just works.

>>15280512
>NOOOOOOOO! THIS IS BULLSHIT, WE NEED MORE WELFARE!

>>15280764
>FREE GIBS ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF A MODERN, DIVERSE SOCIAL CULTURE.

>>15280512
Based Mises

>>15280512

Don't forge that even the pajeets and chinks pulled huge proportions of their population out of poverty after somewhat liberalizing their economies.

>>15280512

>industrialized countries are wealthy

Woah

>>15281381

At the expense of much of yours. Say hi to your replacement, Rankeet.

>>15280720

>muh iPhone!

Good Goy, the

>>15281419
>>15280720

Meant to say

Good goy, the proletarianization is complete

>>15281419
>muh iphone
actually yeah, but also
>so much food everyone is obese or forcing themselves to diet and exercise
>drinkable, hot water and electricity 24/7 for everyone
>fridges, cars, tvs and shit
>everyone has several pairs of clothes, even hobos have shoes
>most diseases eradicated or easily treatable
>everyone can read and write (more or less)

>>15280512
totally untrue
look at the crowd of bums living in a van in US
they can't even cure themselves

>>15281562
Reducing poverty radically is not the same thing as exterminating poverty 100%

>>15281419
>>15281428
I didn't say anything about iphones...
Honestly, commies like you are so fucking stupid and worthless, that under any other system, you would already be dead.
I am unironically for the destruction of capitalism if it means you starve to death.

>>15281562
they're unironically poor because of government intervention making it illegal to build homes

>>15280512
IMO a country will develop a socialist system if there end up being too many "have nots" in a "le free market" system (many free markets aren't actually free because when government becomes too weak then the corporations just make the rules of the land and they use this to create monopolies.)

Rich people don't give poor people money out of the goodness of their heart or virtue signaling, they give them money so that their life won't suck so badly they have nothing to lose and start a revolution.

Just wondering why you're posting a 5 year old article?

>>15282240
No reason. 5 years is nothing. Human nature hasn't changed in 5 years.

>>15282169
A country will develop a socialist system when socialists push the message down peoples throat through the educational system or some other way.
Socialist revolutions are a top-down movement, not grassroots movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4

>>15282169
90% of monopolies are government produced.

I personally have nothing against monopolies if they are created honestly. I understand this is a very unpopular opinion even in the right and I understand the reasons why someone would want to restrict monopolies.

Doesn't change the fact that governments create monopolies by restricting competition and by giving unfair, nonreplicable, advantages to others.

People don't realize that really drives standard of living is advances in technology. Wealth "equality" is a meme. The pathetic piece of shit of today is better off because off medical and technological advances. What drives those advances? Capitalism. Self interest. Humanity will wallow in stagnancy when people have no self serving reason to innovate.

>>15280686
This. It's closer to the truth than 90% of the content of that propaganda website, but it's not telling the whole story. Access to markets is very important for poverty reduction, but it's not the only thing needed. Government redistribution of wealth is highly advantageous despite what they claim.

And although most industrialising nations were laisez-faire internally, their external policies were highly protectionist at least some of the time. I support free trade, but not because of its imaginary track record!

>>15280720
That has more to do with science and technology than how the economy's run.

>>15282411
A non-coercive monopoly is only defacto because the consumers choose, in unison, to buy product from it due to its superior service.

>>15282454
Human nature pilled.

>>15282350
Yuri Bezmenov is telling half truths in his videos trying to blame communists. When in reality it was the fucking jews doing this shit and a few extra shit he threw in there to get people to buy his book.

>>15282464
Where do you think all the technology comes from, idiot.
Very little of "technology" is theoretical papers written by autists in their basement. Most of it is know-how, inventions and other incremental improvements / knowledge capital.

>>15280512
Wait... Don't tell me Americans still believe Europeans are somewhat poor? You cant unironically believe that?

>>15282482
GO back to redd*t, ya comie fuck

>>15282475
Imagine being such a moron you advocate for some system assuming people are something other than what they've historically proven themselves to be. A pragmatist acknowledges reality and advocates for a system that takes that reality and turns it into value. It just so happens that in this instance such a system is also moral, unlike the alternatives.

>>15282542
im natsoc you loser greedy capitalist piece of shit

>>15282464
Government redistribution of wealth creates lazy, useless people who cannot take care of themselves or their loved ones. These people turn to drugs in their boredom leading to increases in crime. It reduces the human capital we have. In addition to it destroying incentives to create useful stuff and things.

>>15282556
No, you're a LARP virgin. Get out and go back you commie retard. Everyone knows that Judaism and Communism go hand in hand. You're just trying to obfuscate and say it, "wasn't real" communism by jew blaming and trying to discredit arguably one of the finest defectors.

No seriously, kill yourself.

>>15282509
Only someone who has never worked with technology would think that e.g. the iPhone is a huge invention, and not a simple collection of many components that were invented way before 2007.

Also: most of those components were invented by the military or public-funded research.

>>15282556
To freedom loving people natsocs and commies are almost the same thing. Both of them hate freedom, even though they are different in some other ways.

>obvious fact that severe poverty has disappeared in the most industrialized countries.
Key word "severe"

78% of fulltime workers still live paycheck to paycheck
>inb4 nationalist sheep says it's the individuals fault/irresponsibility with money
False. It is due to expenses.
For instance, 50% of renters spend over 30% of their income on rent. Of those, half spend over 50% of their income on rent. 30% of jobs pay hardship wages (you literally can't move out). 32% of all jobs pay livable wages (basically guaranteed to not be able to save much of anything. You will basically be on the red the whole time). Etc.

So ya, "severe"poverty isn't a thing here but poverty still is.
>inb4 a retard says "f-fake news!"
I swear there WILL be a delusional fucking dumbass that can't comprehend numbers. That special person that can't understand basic statistics.

>>15282585
kys capitalist scum
>>15282609
true but commies and capitalist are the same.

>>15282629
There are roughly 3 ideological groups: capitalists, commies and natsocs. You have to ally with one of them, which one will it be?

>>15280512
that is bullshit, those countries were monarchies that only became social democracies after industrialisation

>>15282639
natsoc is the only way brother

>>15282659
Spoken like a commie moron, what are you 12 kiddo? How much Das Kapital dick you sucking?

>>15282659
If you are not willing to ally yourself with anyone, capitalists and commies will ally together and beat you. 2 against 1.

>>15282454
>What drives those advances? Capitalism. Self interest.
Hold it there, champion. The profit motive is important, but a purely for-profit thought in certain sectors such as healthcare or education will lead to... Literally, the United States, where healthcare costs are absurd and every young person has college debt.

"Self interest" does not mean "I can fuck over people any way I want".

>>15282675
Healthcare costs are rising rapidly everywhere due to at least aging population and bad lifestyle choices (obesity etc.)

>>15282669
wrong, don't need to ally with any pieces of shit that will stab you in the back.

>>15282710
Ok. Do what you want.

>>15282571
That depends how it's done and on the economic situation, but it's usually false as incentive to work is rarely the limiting factor. Wealth redistribution makes it much EASIER for people to take care of themselves and their loved ones, as their lives aren't so dominated by short term economic constraints.

You are wrongly assuming the recipients of wealth redistribution to all be NEETs, but that's only a small proportion of them - and the proportion of NEETs who are that way because of an economic incentive is much smaller.

>>15282710
odd they would have their banners in english

>>15282751
People can easily save an emergency fund which can 100% replace any wealth redistribution scheme. This in addition to help from friends and family. + Nonprofit organizations and insurance.

My solution for tough times doesn't distort the economy in any way and has 100% of the benefits.

>>15282454
>the world had 0 development before capitalism and communism, as well as other noncapitalist societies, had 0 cientific advancement

oh boy

>>15282773
do you see the flags?

>>15282675
Healthcare costs rising is due to government regulation.

>>15282751
In my own life I have seen that only 5% of welfare recipients actually need it and 95% of them are actually just unwilling to work. That one exception is a disabled person (and his family is willing to take care of him so even he could survive without).
The claim that 90% of unemployed are some noble hard working people is bullshit.

>>15280512
It's not, neither have they been free market nor have they eradicated severe poverty

>>15280512
Russian peasants were significantly poorer before the creation of the Soviet Union. That's not to say they stopped being poor after communism, but things significantly improved.

>>15282811
What the fuck is welfare? Name a specific program if you're going to use anecdotal garbage.

>>15284029
I am talking unemployment benefits and housing benefits.

>>15284029
Anecdotal evidence is better evidence in this case because of course welfare recipients are going to cry they don't have enough (even though they are obese) and there are no jobs anywhere if you ask them in some sort of study in order to keep public support up for such programs.

>>15282811
From that I deduce you I've in the USA.
In most advanced countries, there are welfare payments other than unemployment benefits and disability pensions.

As for unemployment, willingness to work doesn't count for much when nobody is willing to employ you.

>>15282775
Not everyone earns enough to save up for emergencies, and forcing people to do so absolutely distorts the economy (though the idea that an undistorted economy is somehow better is ludicrous garbage anyway).

>>15284172
Everyone earns enough to save up for an emergency fund. Unless they are working 8 hours a week, in which case they can get a second job.

Most unemployed people I know don't even look for work. The ones that look are super picky and are not willing to take "lesser" work.

You clearly live in some fantasy world which is not the same reality in which I live. Take your head out of your ass. Or maybe you are a NEET spouting bullshit to keep your free gibs alive.