/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>15261652
They're getting the last bit of wealth extracted out of them before China becomes the dominant world power.

>superfluous double use of the word "that"
fucking dropped

Taxes are too fucking high with income and sales taxes you're left with maybe 50% of what you worked hard for

>>15261652
>Why are Americans so poor?
because no matter how much they print, there actually is no money
there's a difference between printing currency and producing value
people fail to see the forest for the trees and don't realize until it's too late

You don't understand how retarded poor people actually are. 99% of them wageslave because they can't stop buying shit. They get up at 7am and work 12 hours because they have to have wear designer clothing, have to have iPhones, have to live in downtown apartments, have to eat out for every meal, have to drive a luxury car, have to have big screen smart TVs in every bedroom, and have to buy weed and beer every weekend

On the flip side if that, they get fucked with high taxes, a housing bubble, and loss of purchasing power, so the result is that the middle class gets fucked in both eyes in a daily basis

My wife is a middle school teacher and almost all the kids that are on free or reduced lunches have iPhones and their parents drive newish Audi's.


It's why things like UBI are horrible ideas and will only cause inflation. The problem isn't the income, it's the out going money that is siphoned away due to government policies and consumerism

>>15261652
Who the fuck wastes money on vacations? Better to invest.

>>15263396
>Who the fuck wastes money on vacations?
they can't afford to even take time off from work
vacation doesn't necessarily mean travelling (no matter how much roasties and basedboys attempt to equate it to that)

>>15261652
because they're stupid, period. they deserve to be poor.

If the burgers buy SENT they might have a chance to escape

>>15263766
burgers only buy stuff from coinabse taht its approved by their government and shilled by ccn.
they can't afford to take risk on low cap shitcoins
and even if they could they don't understand risk managment so they would loose all their money going all in on a single coin like LINKtards

All I can say...

>>15261652

America is in reality a third world country, more on par with Mexico/Russia than it is to Europe, when it comes to quality of life, health, etc.

>>15261652
Because they spend on useless shit like vacations.

>>15263901
/thread

t. American

Rent free

>>15261652
Because cost of living is much higher then is shown.

Phone - healthcare - rent - insurance - car
27k a year on cheapest I can get for all, then add food (I made mushroom risotto last night for 2 people for $17 for in groceries at the discount market)

Let's say that it cost $5000 a year in food then too. Not a lot left over from my non-college salary. A few thousand a year.

>>15263980
>non-collage
>$27k "cheap" car
>Fag food
>Market

lets be honest /biz americans bring down the quality of this board, they are the satyiest anons.
also they don't understand 4chan is an international community and americans are not the owners or landlords of 4chan but they are at best a cancer parasite

>>15261652
Because weve been in an economic depression for 20 years. Now its just a few rich jews cannabalizing what was left of the economy

There are two ways to get people to accept being poor without having to keep them down with force. The first is to do what Europe does and provide an abundance of public goods so that poverty isn't miserable squalor. The second is to do what America usually does and have a robust ladder for social mobility so that someone can reasonably advance from the bottom if they want to. The American system is currently breaking down because the people at the top are too greedy to pay to keep the ladders intact or switch over to paying for public goods.

Things are very likely to get nasty soon and nobody is 100% sure as to how it's going to go.

>>15261652
"vacation of me, but not for thee" - peter "gold kike" schiff

>>15263847
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)

>>15264090
I fucking hate American posters they are so smug and they think they own the world, while they are just slaves tied to their national identity.
They are getting replaced by migrants soon so we will get rid of the amerimutt problem once and for all

>>15264176
>The American system is currently breaking down because the people at the top are too greedy to pay to keep the ladders intact or switch over to paying for public goods.
companies and extremely wealthy oligarchies hold humans hostage and use them as levers to control the (((government)))
if you're a large company, and the government wants to tax you and cut into your profits then all you have to do is threaten to lay off your employees and move your company to another country that won't tax you as much
now all of the employees you fired will begin lining up for unemployment and become a further burden (they no longer pay taxes, they will now be receiving public money)
of course the government is leveraged to shit already and can't afford more social handouts so they cowtow to the hostage takers (aka large multi-national companies and conglomerates)

>>15264241
>They are getting replaced by migrants soon so we will get rid of the amerimutt problem once and for all
degradation and derangement will be the words of the day when that takes place (you already see it happening)

>>15261680
Based Spain . They knew what to steal. GOLD. From Mexico to Philippines they hijack that shit.

>>15264090
The Leaf, everybody.

>>15264326
nah you mutt ,have fun eating your kraft singles and mcburger and dying at 40 years old of coronary disease.
american culture is literal cancer, you created countless conflicts worldwide and destabilized entitre regions in the middleeast just so that you could keep your fucking living standard.

you have the blood of millions of people killed in your regimes changes war on your hands by just being american, even if you weren't the one directly pulling the trigger.
by staying silent you are killing thousands

>>15264060
I didn't spend 27k on a car I spend 27k on my rent, insurance (health + car) & car ownership.

It's literally called bargain market where regular stores dump their shit they don't want to sell.

Also it's college not collage. I think you aren't an English speaker so I forgive you.

>>15264241
Funny to think muhh Murcian nationalsim is still a thing in 2019? I guess its all the incels have left... There is 9 million unemployed men there. You'd think they would realize that identity has failed everyone...

>>15264241
>>15264090
>>15264393

>uses site made by an american with american interests
>many of the colloquial jokes and topics stems from american day to day life.
>complains because tastes don't get catered to enough
>gets mad when met with the american attitude of go fuck off to your own site then
>whines about american smugness
>doesn't understand smugness intensifies due to complete lack of self awareness
>pulls amerimutt meme as last resort like a cornered rat
>american eagle swoops in with massive cock with BIGASS GDP written on it
>blinds the european
>britan explodes
>guards with fuzzy hats start crying
>freedom rings louder than the statue of liberty moaning from getting the eagle dick
>world is saved once more
>god himself comes down from the skies to handshake every american to thank them for their service to the world
>everyone claps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGBh-atDpUA

>>15261652
Economy is shit, the Clinton government has changed more than once the unemployment parameters to embellish statistics. If you use the 90s standards the actual unemployment rates is like 20%

>>15262772
Retarded neoliberals and their soii-enriched guard dogs of r***it literally think the more money you print the richer you become.

>>15264490
they definitely aren't sending their best
the lap-dogs must likely believe they'll be rewarded for their treachery
they'll run like chickens from the dickens when the devil comes to collect his due
and he always collects, with interest

>>15264472
Based

>>15264490
That literally is how it works. Cost of goods and assets can't scale when there is an unknown amount of money entering the market at an instant. So for a short amount of time it gives the edge to the party that is printing the money.

In the long run is causes instability and loss of market/trade confidence but you can see why they do it at the least.

Because capitalism is designed to keep poor people poor and rich people rich. Americans will never admit it because they want to believe they can be rich too but for 99% of them it's never gonna happen.

>>15264176
>>15264313

The American middle class is also completely at war with the poverty class. No political party will ever tax the ultra rich, so the tax burden of the entire country is placed solely on the middle and lower upper class. The middle class is tired of paying for the healthcare and welfare for niglets, single mothers, trailer trash hillbillies, and illegals, all while having very little to nothing to show for how much they wage slave.

Eventually we will reach a point where the middle class tax revenue will no longer support the company, and a civil war will erupt. You will have corporations laughing to the bacnk as the politicians promise a socialists paradise, which is actually a corporatacracy

>>15262909
Renting out properties will really open your eyes to the mindset of these kinds of people. They just won't save no matter what. One property I rented out a few months ago I offered a first months rent free promotion. The tenant was telling me about how they needed to wait until their next paycheck came. Mother of 4, grandma lives with them also. Grandma looks at the backyard and says "we dont have to pay rent for a month maybe we can buy a pool"

>>15264591
>The American middle class is also completely at war with the poverty class
it's working exactly as planned
don't forget the bureaucratic layer that dwells on top of this apparatus
they tow the party line because their lifestyles are bought and paid for from the public purse

>>15264601
>Grandma looks at the backyard and says "we dont have to pay rent for a month maybe we can buy a pool"
famous last words
>gif related
there's a reason they call it (((programming)))

>>15264090
>americans are not the owners or landlords of 4chan
Next you are going to go full retard and say that 4chan is not an anime website. Why can't you ESLs just make your own rip off of 4chan, like how we made a rip off of 2ch? Are you really so pathetic that you can't even rip off an existing product? Trust me, you wont be missed here.

>>15263980
>I made mushroom risotto last night for 2 people for $17 for
Now you are just making things up. You could make 20 mushroom risottos for that price.

>>15264090
>also they don't understand 4chan is an international community
>>15264090
>americans are not the owners or landlords of 4chan but they are at best a cancer parasite
you sound like one of those UN spooks who wants to destroy half the worlds population
disgusting and disgraceful all at once

>>15264669
He's right. 4chan hasn't been american since moot sold it to Hiroyuki. You're the guests now.

>>15264393
>You did this!
What is this "you" shit? Like I am directly responsible for the acts of our ruling class? Next you'll be telling me that I'm responsible for slavery or something...
Don't confuse people for their governments, I'm breaking my back to get by just like most of the rest of the world.

>>15264703
nah i just wanna get rid of american mass murderers, the rest of the world population can keep going as they wish.

you culture is built on death consumerism and war

>>15264669
4chan is not american you retard its owned by hiro

so tired of being poor

the internet is just full of ads, and marketers trying to sell you shit

its impossible to get a leg up in this society if somebody doesn't toss you a bone, in every case of successful entrepreneurship, you can visually SEE how many elements had to come together perfectly to enable little bill from Seattle to make a start up with just a little loan from his bank manager father

I just dont know man, so many people are destined to be poor forever...do they know?

>>15263847

Durr. Look at me, I voted for this. Big gubbament good.

>>15264110
Redpill me on your pic.

>>15264601
>Maybe we can buy a pool
>at a rented house

I can’t comprehend this retardation

>>15264941
Above ground pool its common in this neighborhood lol

>>15264472
godlike
god bless america—liberty or death

>>15264790
if you see evil and do nothing about it then you are part of the evil.

first stop identifying as an american that will completely change your perspective, when you will see people insulting america and you won't get angry then that will be a good step forward, free yourself from your national identity.

second do something to try to escape your current situation build a offgrid community, or try to renounce your citizienship and live abroad.
free yourself from the collective eveil of american society get indipendant not reliant on murderous infrsturcture

>>15264478
This
If you literally use the exact same formulas they used before the 90s the numbers are way worse. but if you point this out, people have a cognitive dissonance.

a cousin of mine made approximately €300 000 as a waiter.
He blew everything on parties, drugs and cars. Now he's 30 years old, broke and lives with his parents again.

>>15265094
300000 a year? Lol he wasnt just "waiting" bro sorry to tell you

Libtards absolutely seething ITT
Calm down Pablo, you're not getting in

>>15265120
He made 300K that over the past decade, not per year

>>15261652
because americans have this weird idea of the american dream, which is literally just a dream. they don't have any rights, they are not free, they are enslaved to their bosses and the capitalism. America is the most cucked country in the world. As long as they don't realize this, they'll stay as 3rd worldy as they are

>>15261652
Because they succumb to desires and spend too much money. It isnt that had just save your fucking money. Jews hate this one simple trick!

>>15264807
Imagine being this shameless about being a newfag
If I went and bought your favela if wouldn't suddenly become American land.

Shhh, ignore it goy, the economy is great! See I said it again, this is a great economy, just ignore your problems goy nothin' ta see here!

>>15265166
>just save your money bro
No one ever got rich by saving.

>>15263901

>>15265226
keep tellin yourself that while immigrants become ceos of your companys and spics slowly buy up all your real estate while keeping your boomer real estate ponzi going.
you are just owned cattle, whover brands you owns you

>>15264894
it's shadowstats
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts
basically using the way they used to measure inflation in 1980 you can see how bad things really are
now because IPHONES are getting so much better the government says inflation is only ~2%
they disregard housing inflation almost entirely

>>15265282
I don't quite see how that's related to that post, other than that it used the word "buy".
Calm down, muchacho.

America sucks, so stop coming here.
It's an awful place, we're woken up in the morning by jews with whips and forced to work. They pay us, but then they force us to spend all our money immediately or they'll arrange a shooting to take it through medical bills. There's no upward mobility if you're not Jewish. We're a third world country just like you. You'll gain nothing by coming here. Don't bother coming.
P-please?

Mississippi has a median income of $3,138/month.
The only countries in Europe that, on average, earn more than MS are Iceland, Norway, Luxembourg, and Switzerland.
Mississippi has the lowest average earned income in the US.

>>15265274
Saving allows you to invest your savings, single digit IQ.

Lots of raged out europoors, pajeets, bongs and canucks ITT. Shit id be mad as well if i didnt live in the #1 country

>>15264791
>you culture is built on death consumerism and war
what culture?
you don't know anything about my KULT-URE

>>15265339
Aka Hedonic regression

We are poor because people from around the world come make money here and leave with it. So we, Americans, get the shaft...

>>15261652
Because we don't have any money.

>>15261689
It's grammatically correct

>>15265613
You can't honestly say that, they're not proud enough of their country to let us know.

>>15265594
How much do you have left after paying taxes, rent, gas, car payment and insurance?

>>15261652
Bump
It is confirmed that Peter Schiff Post here.

>>15265278
Europoors

>>15265831
Considerably more than I would have if I lived the same kind of life in the UK, France, Germany, or some Scandinavian country.

>>15264472
God bless. Freedom ain't free.

>>15266845

Meanwhile in reality, half of jobs pay less than $15/hr, the tax cuts were a giveaway to the rich and multinationals, and the youngest generation is majority nonwhite.

USA USA USA

>>15266879
The first job I had I got paid exactly $15/hr. I had no experience and only a high school degree. All I really had to do to get hired is pass a drug test and not be a felon. You'd be surprised how many people can't even do that and then complain about how hard it is to get a job.

>>15267224
It’s shocking honestly.

I feel bad because I don’t have any kids yet... but I’m not in debt at all and barely even work anymore.

>>15264706
By that logic bud light isn’t american

>>15265613
They hate us cause they ain't us

>>15265020
Fuck you. You’re getting a drone strike.

>>15265779
No it isnt retard

>>15265278
Our payment might be less but
>32 days paid holdiay
>less costs for living, food, etc.
>better health insurance
>not getting shot
>good infrastructure
>cheap holiday, traveling
>better quality of food

>>15267727
Oh, and I forgot that there is no study fee at university.

>>15267747
>no study fee
hf paying for woman studies cucks

>>15265278
"full time, year-round workers" in France Germany, Benelux etc effectively work about 30 hours a week.

>>15267773

Have fun paying your 10 trillion to Israel kek. Post the medical bankruptcies chart already so we can get it over with.

>>15261652
So what? 99% of Americans (and first-worlders in general) waste their money on stupid shit regularly and don't deserve ease. Why am I not surprised that articles like this one never probe into people's frivolous spending habits? With every layer of spending habits peeled, there would be no sympathy left other than for people who are only getting screwed over because of leftist regulations.

News flash: if you're poor, you almost certainly deserve it.

America is legitimately a third-world country. The only good thing about this place is that we have guns, which we need to protect ourselves from the most uppity niggers in the world that are being trained by OUR government and OUR media to hate us, and even those are going away soon.
I might have to move to Czech Republic to get a job.

>>15261680
This. US is deconstructed. China, Iran up next. Ironically even fucking Canada will do better.

>>15268058
go to a nice white area, build a community and wait for civil war 2.0 and the balkanization of the US empire. youll be ok if youre outside major cities

>>15268113
>Ironically even fucking Canada will do better.
as a leaf, i hope so, but i seriously doubt that

>>15268161
Fuck that, they'll just raze you to the ground just to keep the niggers happy for a few more months.

>>15263980
Rent: $600, Utilities $90, Food $200, Transport $127, Cell Phone: $30.

I live in Manhattan.

>>15264472
Shitskin below is right.
You disgusting sneeimutt abominations were responsible for so much suffering.
Yes, you. Dindu nuffin rings hollow.
And yes. Those were regular Americans who somehow thought killing gooks or sand niggers in their own countries is fighting for muh freedom.
You will be remembered as the biggest Jewish lapdog of 20th and 21st century if not the entire history.
The eternal amerimutt

>>15267727
>>15267747
CoL in Western and Central Europe is on par with the US. Those few countries that earn more than the poorest state in the US have a much higher CoL to go with them.
Otherwise where CoL is low, wages are low.
Your health insurance isn't free. They've taxed you up the ass and convinced you to be smug about it.
32 paid days holiday sounds great, but making it mandatory may be one of the things that has made Europe so stagnant in terms of growth. In turn, that keeps wages lower.
It especially doesn't help their case for all these special protections when so much European talent, much like Mexicans, move to the US for work.
Food is debatable. America has more junk food in bigger quantities. At the same time, I live around a bunch of farms and dirt cheap, high quality organic produce, meats, and dairy.
Like you boast about being taxed at absurd rates, you boast about that same institution banning you from having weapons.
I don't get why Europeans are so arrogant and boastful about being treated like sheep.

>>15267727
>less costs for... food
That's a god damn lie
Every time I post how much food here costs euros immediately head straight to the coping "hurr must be shitty meat with parasites"
Get your story straight

>>15268463

>kvetching about giving workers time off

Okay Mr. Shekelstein. We know that in your dream world we’d all work 110 hr weeks in your factories for a bowl of rice but some of us want better for white people.

America sucks, stop coming here. It's a third world country just like Mexico, no reason to come. Stay away.

>>15268183
>they'll just raze you to the ground just to keep the niggers happy for a few more months

theyll tax you, theyll try to pass laws to take your guns, but the moment they try to enforce anything physically and whites actually use their guns theyll fuck off or risk losing everything

>>15268463
>Your health insurance isn't free.
Sure we pay a monthly tax. But it's nothing compared to what you have to pay in the US in case you get cancer or something.

>making it mandatory may be one of the things that has made Europe so stagnant in terms of growth
Not sure about other European countries but the productivity of German workers is higher per hour than of Americans:
https://data.oecd.org/lprdty/gdp-per-hour-worked.htm
Having a healthy work/life balance is one reason.

We are not banned from having weapons. You just need a license for them. There is a license in case you are a hunter and one if you do it for sports. Both are easy to get. I don't see any problems with not being able to buy automatic rifles at the supermarket.

>I live around a bunch of farms and dirt cheap, high quality organic produce, meats, and dairy.
Thats perfect.

>>15268548
Maybe it depends on the region? In any bigger city I went to the US I couldn't find good cheap food in any supermarket. Restaurants are very expensive too. Just fast food is very cheap. But maybe I'm wrong here.

>>15268628
It's currently $5.64 for 3 pounds of ground beef at my local kroger. I live in south western Ohio.

>>15268288
lel, not hopping the subway everyday. Dude trust me, just look for cops and undercovers and you can hop everytime. You will save 120 per month gaurunteed. You get caught, $100 fine, you still make $20 on the month

>>15262909
billions are poured in to advertising and plastering that lifestyle on every channel, website, bus, roadsigns, building, commercials etc. You get the idea. To act as if those things will not and should not have an effect on people is delusional. The advertisements are psychologically designed to get people to buy their shit or to appeal to people. Living in a big city is specifically what I am referring to. Have never lived in a rural area.

>>15263980
>5k A YEAR IN FOOD
Anon, I...

>>15268549
Neither you nor employers are trusted to negotiate vacation time because your governments see you all as subjects that are too vulnerable and stupid to carve out a good deal for yourselves.
Say I'm kvetching all you will, but the reality is that it's a lot harder to do business in Europe vs the rest of the world and, increasingly, the difficult demands aren't worth the talent.
You should be more concerned about the capital flight and brain drain resulting from the stagnant growth on already subpar wages.

>>15264472
BASED

LOOK AT THE HATERS! LOOK AT THEM AND LAUGH AT THEIR MINUSCULE ECONOMIES AND TINY LIMP MILITARIES.

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

>>15264315
It was mostly silver fucktard and the majority was used to pay off debts. Spain has always been a joke

>>15267810
the average American works 35

>>15268653
"Because my style is back to hopping turnstiles!" Method Man said that, sometimes I think it would be cool to live inner city but then I remember I am white

>>15264393
that's what happens when you don't have freedom. sorry bud. the fact that you have internet suggests your country already fell in line, but here's to hoping you try to rebel against our economic policies so we'll come knocking on your door too.

>>15264591
You're retarded if you think fat ass lazy Americans will ever go to war. The only soldiers in the streets will be soros stooges or jew supplied rapefugees

>>15264490
>ELI5 why cant we just print money to pay off the national debt???

>>15268696
you act like people would buy a sheep shit for tv dinners if it were only advertised correctly.
>im immune to propaganda, its you thats the slave
sure buddy

>>15268161
>>15268183
>>15268627
>just form white communities!
WN 1.0 already tried this, aren't you faggots familiar with Ruby Ridge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4wFLrNcMrA&t=2s

>>15261652
We're not poor (by any reasonable standard), but we're incredibly shit at saving money. In fact, I'm shocked that it's only 42% - I'm sure even less than that can actually afford it, but some of those think they can by using credit cards and so on.

I've been getting advertisements from my bank encouraging me to take it a loan to pay for things like a vacation or a fancy wedding. Think about the sort of person dumb enough to take a loan like that, and then remember that those people would report that they CAN afford a vacation.

>>15268291
I’m an Ausfag but you have a very narrow perception of history.

Look back through the years, the ottoman empire, china, russia, spain, portugal, britain, the roman empire, the middle eastern caliphate, germanys 2 bites at the apple.

The truth is that by being human we all have blood on our hands. Marginalising those because of where they are from despite their viewpoints foes against the multiculturist board argument you are supposed to be supporting.

>>15265454
This

>>15268113
>he actually thinks Iran is the next world economic super power

How many dumb fucking shills are on this board fucking die scum

>>15269280
we didn't evolve to find sheep shit attractive, shit for brains. consumerist advertising abuses the fuck out of our reward system, it's unethical

>>15269567
canasian shitposter
>>15269610
can you quantify the amount of reward or dopamine release that would define your perspective?

>>15265454
>They pay us, but then they force us to spend all our money immediately or they'll arrange a shooting to take it through medical bills.
Laughing my fucking ass off, that is good shit dude.

>>15261689
Based OCD anon. I thought I was the only one who sperged over double word usage.

>>15264791

>you culture is built on death consumerism and war

I bet my ass that you are one of those retards who say shit like this but then proceeds to suck chink cock or your favourite murderous sandnigger autocrat.

>>15261652
Americans are poor because they keep electing people like Trump

>>15264874
You don't deserve any success

>>15261652
Boomers.
They gave up their collective bargaining rights and allowed management and shareholders to pocket all the productivity gains.

>>15265282
spics being CEOs means the destruction of those companies. Maybe that will encourage competition.

>>15264540
Based Quads in time stamp

>>15264472
>tfw American taxpayers finance the military protection of my country (Australia) so I can enjoy a high quality of life

Thank you based Americans.

>>15269322
REMINDER: 15% OF THE US IS BLACK AND 25% IS HISPANIC. THEREFORE ANY STAT WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE RETARDED HAS A FLOOR OF 40%.

>silly europeans look you make less money because you pay so many taxes
>yeah you get a lot of good basic services which you've paid for with your taxes
so basically burgers make more money but then they have to pay for all that stuff that we already paid for with our taxes? ie the whole hurr you make less money thing is simply because your calculating our wages after paying for our basic services, not after.
The burger education meme proves to be true once again

>>15269935
>after paying for our basic services, not after
*not before

>>15264889
>PRC
>voting

Anon

>>15269646

Most kids wouldn't be able to name the species of local or fauna in their area.

Most kids can recognize the Coca Cola logo, the McDonald arches, the Taco Bell bell, etc.

Repetition of stimuli over long periods of time works into integrating such things as "shorter distance" in our mental maps.

>>15269935
health insurance is considered pre-tax dollars. After medical/dental/taxes, I keep >60% of my pay before post-tax expenses, and I don't even meet the average household income.

If you trust bureaucrats to run your healthcare effectively then good for you. I couldn't imagine Washington running that show here, they would fuck it sideways.

American healthcare is top tier because we allow competition (and gov subsidies) to drive up the wages of our health care pros, which naturally attracts talent.

It's not perfect, but I'd rather live here than wherever you are.

>>15263803
What are you on about. I use my Coinbase bitcoins to swap for Monero using Binance.

>Americans are fat
>Americans are poor
>food in America is expensive
Pick up to two

>>15261652
even the poorest americans are still richer than the majority of the rest of the world.

>>15261652
eating out. high rents in the cities with the most/best jobs. daily/weekly entertainment like the movies, shopping, music festivals, etc. a lot of people don't take those week long, out of state hundreds of miles away vacations anymore.

>>15261652
Inflation and taxes.

>>15263901
this is true to an extent but as a Russian-American citizen please don't compare the two. Europe is light years ahead of America which is miles ahead of Mexico/Russia, which are ahead of Africa and Pan Asia and so on.

>>15268288
dont forget to add $8000-15000 for healthcare buddy

>>15271414

Companies are staffed with entire departments of statisticians who are paid to figure out how low you can drive wages before someone shoots up the office or drops dead in the break room .

Most "jobs" that have been created since 2008 are glorified indentured servitude. America is slowly rediscovering fuedulism

>>15264472
and after everyone claps you get shot :^)

>>15261652
78% of fulltime workers live paycheck to paycheck. 50% of renters are cost burdened. 57% of americans can't afford an extra a 500 dollar bill. Etc.

The system is designed this way on purpose. To prevent people from saving capital and investing.

Well wait they start realizing that they have literally nothing to lose. The coming recession will show you that when the poor decide to fight back, the entire world will get shit down

>>15271606
That's their choice.

>>15271606
Its not the system. People make stupid choices out of their own will. Poor people arent poor because they dont have enough money, they are poor because they waste their money on useless crap (cigarettes, eating out, expensive car etc.)

inb4
>da j000000s

>>15271667
In a functioning economy with large UBI this would be true.
It's nonsense though

I have to pay 30% tax because self employed

>>15271667
would be fine except monetary policy of the last decade has decidedly benefited the investor class. If you held RE or stocks you benefited massively, whereas wagies were having their money devalued in real terms and the inflation of assets kept them priced out.

>muh hard work
is the stupidest fucking meme there is. You're getting fucked in the ass and willingly participating in the system that exploits you.

>>15271682
That money printing is bailing out pensions which are invested in stocks and bonds... These pensions are for the poor and middle class you know...

>>15271677
RIP.

Fuck the taxman.

>>15262772
>be most productive economy in the world
>yet produce no value
this is what supply side autist actually believe

>>15271695
what does that have to do with anything? You're saying people have no right to complain because they make bad decisions. I'm saying the people that didn't entered the workforce in the last 10 years got massively FUCKED by monetary policy

>>15271667
WRONG, fucking idiot.
As the other anon said, "working hard = success" is a meme retards like you fall for.

30% of jobs pay hardship wages (can't move out of mommy's basement). 32% pay livable wages (basically GUARANTEED to be living paycheck to paycheck and having little to no money to be able to save).

>>15271740
>>15271747
>I want everything and I want it right now! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Fucking children...

>>15271740
People who step on their own dick have no right to complain, or at least they should not be taken seriously.

I work in an industry where I get a good glimpse into how people spend their money.

I’m not just saying this to be edgy, HUR HUR 4chan dude, or ignorant:

A lot of Black people and Mexican people spend their money like absolute shit. I work in an area that is 75 percent white too. MOST of the white people are very frugal and know how to spend their money, while blacks and Mexicans literally drain their bank accounts dry over materialistic stuff.

It’s sad, really. These people aren’t very educated on how to be financially stable

>>15271770
> unelected policy makers are devaluing the money you earn and shoveling it into the pockets of rich people to make vaporware IPOs and onions hamburger companies and the only real response is to work harder

>>15271606
based
>>15271650
and this kids a jew

>>15271795
It is easier to control your own actions than the world. So start fucking controlling yourself and making smart choices in life.

>>15271795
Money is being devalued? Work hard, buy gold (and other stuff) and wait for the financial reset.

>>15271794
Whites had to prepare for the winter every year historically. Maybe that has something to do with it.

>>15261652
Constant, ever present, state sanctioned usury.

Nah. “Hard work” is for wage cucks. Richfags simply sit on their asses all day, maybe go to “meetings”, while poorfags do all the work which creates profit. Just be born rich dude, way better

>>15271667
>cigarettes
Too true. My mom spends like $400 a month on them. It's literally a tax on the inept.

>>15271828
Asians are the only race good at saving. Also the anon obviously hasn’t seen how red necks live. Most whites are terrible at saving

>>15269935
90% of hispanics and blacks pay nothing in taxes, in fact they earn money from taxation.
european systems would cause the country to implode as the government would default

Wagecucks absolutely seething ITT
If my employees have a problem with how I pay them they can go live in Europe

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>>15264437
Go back to /pol/ and have sex incels

>>15261652

The only thing that article is missing is how many of those 42% STILL take vacation.

Once you find out, you'll understand why these people can't afford to do anything. Because even though they can't afford it, they're still doing it - like my dipshit employee who constantly bitches about his student loans and is taking two weeks off.

America is easy mode. Taxes are low, jobs are plentiful and everything is cheap. Culturally its a horrorshow which is why I left, but I do miss never having to struggle.

>>15271916

Two weeks off jerking to porn and playing the vidya like a NEET at home =/= two weeks paying $5000 in Paris while snorting coke with 3 teenage hookers.

>>15271770
>ignoring reality/statistics this hard
Do numbers give your brain a boo boo?
Do you struggle understanding how it is MATHMATICALLY impossible for most people to survive comfortably?

Can you guys believe how fucking retarded this guy is?

>>15272005
Everyone cannot be the richest person on earth. I agree. You should take some reading comprehension classes.

If equality is your goal, go visit north korea or venezuela and check out how that turned out.

>>15272136
Again, MOST people (nearly 80 fucling god damn percent) of FULL TIME FUCKING WORKERS are living paycheck to paycheck, you moron.

That is a FAILURE of a system you retarded nationalist. What an indoctrinated sheep.

So indoctrinated, you can't even think critically. Literally a retard.

>>15271905
Seething tobacco slave
Just because you can't smell it anymore doesn't mean you don't stink
Enjoy having the cardio ability of an 80 year old man at 30

>>15272563
80 percent of people are retarded sheep for me to use for profit.

>>15272563
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvGWbo7-PhE

They spend their vacation money on fireworks for 4th of july

>>15272607
My ORIGINAL point still stands. This system is SET UP this way, brainlet. THAT was my MAIN point. Not gonna make it.

>>15272612
What part of what I said = entitlement? What a stretch lmao!
You have no argument so you just say "dur hur entitled".

99% of people could be working 80hrs a week and STILL be homeless and you'd just say "they are entitled". You sound like such a fucking retard.
Being a bootlicker must lower IQ points haha.

>>15272563

Of course they are, because they spend more than they earn. It'n not necessities either, it's luxuries. They try to live like the 1% and they do it by taking credit.

>>15272640
False.

Let me just btfo you all here. The MAIN reason is due to EXPENSES, NOT money spent on luxuries. Fail.

1. Discouraged workers (someone that wants a job, but gave up and hasn't applied in over 4 weeks) are NOT counted as unemployed.

2. People who make HARDSHIP wages ARE counted as employed
Putting those 2 together = makes the unemployment stat look better/lower than it actually is. It is a lie that fools without critical thinking believe.
44% of 22-27 yr old college grads are underemployed (inb4 just do computer science as if everyone is capable of that. Even they have like a 24ish% underemployment rate for 22-27 yr olds: https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/college-labor-market_compare-majors.html
Think about that. NEARLY 1/4 cs graduates aged 22-27 will be underemployed (don't know how it evens out over time. Still not amazing though. It's around 34% when including all ages and all majors).
78% of full time workers live paycheck to paycheck ( *LITERALLY one paycheck away from homelessness and that is basically poverty* ). *42% of americans will retire broke* (so you give up the best years of your life being someone's bitch just to retire with nothing), 57% of americans can't afford an unexpected 500 dollar bill, 50% of renters are cost burdened (spend over 30% of their income on rent. Half of those spend over 50% of their income on rent), 30% of metropolis city jobs (where most jobs are created) pay hardship wages (not enough to move out with) and 32% pay livable wages (basically poverty) which leaves 38% that are decent (I say decent because you also have to take into consideration the toxicity of work culture. Also, some jobs ONLY pay livable or up BECAUSE of the hours put in. For instance, the average american works 47 hours a week. 49% work 50 hours or more a week. Both of which inflate the wage stats into looking better than it actually is), etc.
You can't even acknowledge a failed system because of nationalism. Sheep

>>15272640
Redpilled.

>>15272672
Except I just btfod you retard here. Lmao I find it funny when people get completely destroyed in arguments and STILL think they are winning. LOL!

>>15272639
It is okay fren, everythin goin to be fine.

>>15263901
> USA is in reality a third world country
> Checks the demographics of the USA
> 40% black & latino

it checks out

>>15272639
The system is set up to punish retardation and reward the ability to take advantage of retardation. The only reason to be angry about it is if you're on the wrong side of that relationship.
America is a Darwinist environment. The gay pigeons seethe, the cool birds like me make out rich.

>>15272668
tl;dr
Imagine typing this much about a place you don't even live in lmfao calm down bro

>>15272843
Lmao if you don't even have a business, shut the fuck up, kiddo.

Anyways, by your shit logic, if 99% of people were living in poverty, you would call that system a success because that "1%" still succeeds. Literal fucking stupidity.

>>15272849
I had those stats already prepared in my notes to btfo dumbasses since I meet them so much.

>>15261652
Americans just have a retarded definition of poor and can plan ahead.
I bet you most of those 42% can't afford to go on vacation because they rather buy the newest iPhone every year.

>>15272991
You bet I would, if I was part of that 1%.
You have no place on /biz/ if you're a poorfag.
Don't worry bro, these grapes are sour anyway pffft

>>15272998
imagine keeping "stats" about a clearly superior country you are jealous of tremendously. Double yikes for this double nigger lmao have sex homo

>>15273041
>if I was part of the 1%
Lol as if a dumbass like you could manage that. What's stopping you now, genius?

You are such a short sighted idiot.

>>15273052
Except I'm American, retard.
>reaching this hard to try to one up me
Absolutely pathetic

>>15264393
That wasn’t for our living standard, that was a plan enforced by Israel.

>>15273053
>what's stopping you now
Nothing?
Stop projecting, poorfag.
How do you even manage to be poor in the current year if you're not a nigger with an iq of 80?

>>15273100
>nothing?
So you are part of the 1%? Really, larper? I guess I'm a fucking trillionaire. Makes as much sense Lol. Fucking loser. So desperate to "win" this argument. That you resort to larping. Pathetic dumbass.

>>15273100
>How do you even manage to be poor in the current year if you're not a nigger with an iq of 80?
I literally showed you the fucking numbers, brainlet.

>>15273118
>>15273125
>double replied
Holy shit you are SEETHING, lmfao
I'm not even American I'm just a larping hue can't believe you got this mad over b8 that obvious rofl

>>15273100
>why isn't everyone rich??
You have to be at least 18 to post here. You exposed yourself with your naivety.

>>15273157
>I wasn't serious! It was just bait
Okay, kiddo. Try to save face. That's fine.

>>15273160
>triple replied
Jesus dude calm down before you have an aneurysm

>>15273164
Not him but you are mad af and need to take a breather and remember we have id's

>>15261652
Go read that Bernie thread above this one to find out why

>>15261652

Get a Job!

KAG 2020

>>15273125
Your numbers are garbage commie propaganda.

https://fee.org/articles/extreme-poverty-rates-plummet-under-capitalism/

Here are some real statistics for you, brainlet.

>>15263980
The $17 mushroom risotto makes me doubt your other numbers

>>15273164
Seething

>>15261652
>buys latest phone
>100k student debt
>2 year old car
>eats out 10 times a week
>still lives at home
>new games out this month.
Just remembering something I want but don't need.

>vacations are for happy people not people like us.

It’s almost like the spending power of our currency isn’t what it used to be and we’ve bailed out Wall Street abd the big banks for robbing us blind as a cherry on top. It wasn’t just the hand you were dealt; the game for the non-boomers among us was rigged from the start.

>>15273063
imagine being this much of an incel lmao

>>15273236
Shut the fuck up, rabbit.

>>15273258
just have sex bro, pussy tastes good I swear.

>>15273063
>thinks this adds credence
All this did is make you sound like an absolutely seething poorfag mad he couldn't make it in one of the easiest countries in the world to be rich in.

>>15273203
That didn't btfo the nationwide stats I've stated, fucking dumbass.

>>15273236
Imagine using "incel" as an insult in a discussion that has literally nothing to do with sex. Stay a brainlet.

>>15273297
>he couldn't make it in one of the easiest countries in the world to be rich in.
The stats I mentioned say otherwise.

Numbers > your ass opinions

>>15273203
So... 44%of 22-27 yr old college grads aren't underemployed?
LOOOOOL HAHAHA FUCKING MORON

So.. 78% of fulltimer workers DON'T live paycheck to paycheck?
Did your article mention this? Na.. of course not.

Fucking idiot.

All the stats I've mentioned are 100% valid, retard. Get obliterated.
>inb4 shitposts to try to save face

>>15273320
literally cope
Do you come to /biz/ just to get mad at all the people who made it?
>wahhh your success isn't real because me and all the other brown people clean tables
Spend more time studying and less time making posts like this.

>>15273320
Commies twist definitions until they get the numbers they want. All your numbers mean nothing.

>>15273328
So I guess the stats I mentioned aren't real now?

Fucking idiot. What I loathe are dumbasses like you that can't accept numbers.

My whole point is this system is OBVIOUSLY created to make people struggle to save money due to high expenses. You fucking idiot. You can't even understand what I'm arguing. Not gonna make it.

>>15261652
Its a third worlds country! Most Mutts still live with mentally they are the best country in the world...that died in the 60's but Nixon definitely killed it. The Mutts have been operating on arrogance for at least 50 years. The vast majority don't even leave there state let alone the country. They fail to see the prison that has been built around them.

>>15273330
>f-fake news!
Jesus, you sound like those retard trump fanatics.
Every fact you don't like is "fake news". Absolute brainlet. Get absolutely bodied by me.

>>15263913
Just because you dont see value on it doesnt mean there is none.

>>15273327
>>15273309
>>15273160
>>15273125
>>15273118
>trying to samefag on a board with id numbers
Why? You're just making yourself look like a newfag.
Are you really just that angry that you're poor?

>>15261680
Next in line is not China. It’s Bitcoin.

>>15273342
>people
Anyone with an iq under 130 isn't legally a person.

>>15273357
...........???
Are you a fucking dumbass? Are you so mother fucking stupid that you thought I was trying to pretend to be a different anon despite the ID not changing?????
Oh my god... retards like this actually roam this board. Retards like this actually roam this board! Think about that.
Get a load of this faggot.
I am amazed over your stupidity. Just... wow...

They could afford it if they didn’t fall for the consumerist agenda. “Bruh it’s only $35/mo for this $6000 couch”
“Wow this $60,000 suv is only $750 a month let’s do it”
Burgers just cuck themselves while I drive a beater and laugh at them with fat ass pockets.

>>15273372
>inb4 you have under 20IQ points
Stay delusional

>>15273375
I don't think anyone could possibly imagine someone on 4chan being stupid enough to let everyone know that they're mad enough to reply 3 times in a row to the same post. I'm sure he's been enlightened to just how dumb people who manage to be poor in America really are.

The answer to every problem america has ((( )))

>>15273396
No no. Don't try to spin this around. You are a retard that actually thought I was trying to be a different anon.

Just... Lol. You made yourself look like the biggest dumbass here (and trust me, in this thread, that is a DIFFICULT thing to do. Congrats).

>>15273328
I'm guessing you are a first worlder, that falls for normie memes, let me tell you Burgerland is not as amazing as you think. You've never lived in Burgerland, probably never been there.

Burgerland has changed SO much since the boomers, the ideals from that era are WAY over.

>>15273412
Someone mad he got caught.

>n-no, y-you are the dumb one here!

>>15273412
>this whole post
>all these ellipses like an underaged
Holy shit you are mad
calm down

>>15273412
Absolutely seething

>>15273418
I'm guessing that retard hasn't had a real job yet so doesn't realize how shit most are. Statistically speaking, MOST do in FACT pay shit (below middle class).

OVER 50% PAY SHIT, yet that DUMBASS ignores numbers because numbers give them a boo boo in their tiny miniscule brain.

>>15273412
Do Americans really get this mad on the internet?

>>15273375
Kek, nice damage control dipshit.

>>15273420
>caught
You're either reaching to try to "one up" me or are a legitimate newfag that didn't know IDs were a thing until recently.
Either way, get off this board. Retards aren't allowed.

>>15273412
>I'm not dumb u r because u bullied me for being dumb
U mad bro?

>>15273438
>damage control
This is for you >>15273440
Delusional shit.

>>15273434
Well I do when confronting absolute stupidity. It's one thing to be ignorant. It's another to be WILLFULLY ignorant.

>>15273448
Huh? Can you even follow what was going on? Let me spell it out for you, fucktard.

That idiot says since I posted 3 times to the same post, that I was trying to pretend to be 3 different anons.

Of course that is mother fucking stupid as hell considering we have mother fucking IDs. It's not rocket science, genius.

>>15273412
I think we can all agree that regardless of which end of the political spectrum you're on this newfag is retarded

>>15273412
Oh I see, damage controlling this hard is all I have to do to derail /pol/ threads

>>15273440
Now, read this and think of yourself. I know it is hard, but try.

>>15273412
>>15273462
Put me in the screencap

>>15273463
If you mean the guy I btfod, duh. If you mean me, that would make no sense considering I'm basically the only guy mentioning actual nationwide statistics.
I'm not the retarded saying "dur hur statistics are fake news!".

>>15273412
The absolute state of wagecucks

They are degens and didnt buy alts then and now

>>15273466
Derail? I'm addressing their claim, dumbass. Hmm... now you are coming across as a samefagger.
>>15273468
Read this >>15273452
Slowly, okay? Don't melt your brain.

>he's still going

>>15273412
What has to happen in someone's life that they make a post this cringe?

>>15273474
73.6% Of All Statistics Are Made Up

>>15273412
Kek

>>15273476
Don't you find it odd how "everyone" is targeting that post in particular?
That one post where I obliterated that anon?
Using mobile data to change your ID because I got under your skin, huh?

>>15273412
I'm stealing this pasta for the next time I try to samefag on /pol/

>>15273488
Unlike you, my sources are credible. Literally copy and paste the stats I've used and you WILL see various articles on each one.

>>15273486
>cringe
Stating facts is "cringe" now.. okay, brainlet.

>>15273412
I'm getting secondhand embarrassment

>>15270154
>American healthcare is top tier
But it isn't. Germany and the Nordic countries have better healthcare for less money than we do.

>>15273481
M8 you're gonna have an aneurysm at this rate.

>>15273494

>>15273490
Am I getting under your skin?

>>15273503
Free healthcare in nordics is shit.

Just think. This guy said that he's American. It's like 3 or 4 in the morning in America. He wagecucks all day at a minimum wage job because like all the other niggers he couldn't pass a drug test for a real job, and then stays up all night getting bullied on the internet.

>>15273502
Don't see how, idiot.
That moron thinks I was trying to pretend to be 3 different anons despite my ID nit changing. You are a total brainlet if you think this doesn't automatically make the anon I was arguing with a total fucking retard.

>>15273508
>shitpost because no counter-argument
So.. admitting defeat. I know it's a difficult thing to do. Hats off to you.

>>15273412
>I-I wasn't even trying to samefag I'm just that mad
That isn't any better roflmao

>>15273512
Just because you disagree with it ideologically, doesn't mean it's not working.

>>15273500
>writing less text to seem calm

We know you are boiling, it's useless trying to hide it.

>>15273490
I recruited my friends to post against you. Good luck.

>>15273525
Okay bro you won now please stop I'm gonna burst a kidney

Holy shit

>>15273519
Can you do simple math?
What is 100-32-30?
(this is a simplistic view not even taking into consideration how shit the actual job can be. For instance, truck driving jobs and trade jobs can be seen as lower middle class. Those are still shit too, but let's just forget that for a second. Statistically aka MATHMATICALLY speaking, most people are fucked. Grow a brain).

>>15273530
It is not working. I live in nordics.

>>15273543
>he couldn't get any job better than a truck driver
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>15273412
Yikes

>>15273526
Still btfod his logic. Fact.
>>15273531
>We know you are boiling, it's useless trying to hide it
I'm not trying to hide it? I hate idiots. Why would I tru to hide that??

>I recruited my friends to post against you. Good luck.
...Lol
You lost so hard to me that you had to ask your friends for help. Haha

>>15273525
>>15273543

Holy shit my fuckin sides.

>tfw got stuck with overattentive anxious autism instead of shamelessly retarded autism

>>15273536
>shitposting again because they have no counter arguments to the samefagging thing and the stats I've mentioned
>thinks if they shitpost hard enough, they'll "win"
Oh brother

>>15273561
look at this guy guys
he won the argument lol

>>15273551
>I live in nordics.
LOL. I mean, that's just an anecdote anyway but fine. Which Nordic country do you live in and post proofs.

ITT: A nigger learns that even if he looks up statistics if he can't keep his cool no one will acknowledge him blowing out libtards

>>15273557
I'm not a truck driver. Secondly, missing the point. Jesus christ...

>>15273560
Yikes... what? This has to be samefagging. You guys target the same post saying the same thing over and over again. That is definitely samefagging. Only yikes is that faggot asking his friends for help because I'm bullying him.

>>15273568
Oh, another shitpost because you have nothibg. No data. No facts. Just shitpists.

>MY SIDES LOL (I'm winning, right guys?)
Desperation. The post.

>>15273375
So you're not deceptive, just really, really mad?
Okay we'll go with that lol
Seething

>>15273591
>because I'm bullying him.

>>15273582
>if he can't keep his cool no one will acknowledge him blowing out libtards
Only a moron focuses on the personality instead of the data brought forth.

>>15273412
How will /pol/tards who can't stay in their designated shithole ever recover?

>>15273592
>deceptive
Huh? I wasn't trying to be "deceptive", idiot.
>>15273596
>Let's keep shitposting! I'm winning by shitposting!
Literal child. Grow up.

This whole thread reminded me of all the times I took 4chan seriously when I was 14.
Do targeted memory erasing drugs exist yet?

>>15273609
>I'm winning

>>15273603
By shitposting. That's how they (you) cope.
To not feel totally destroyed, you guys resort to childish responses instead of trying to btfo me with actual data. Nice one, brainlets. Keep shitposting to cope though. Why not.

>>15273620
>keeps shitposting
There there. Keep coping with the btfo I dealt you by shitposting. I get it. I destroyed your pride so at this point, since you can't attack my arguments, you try to get under my skin by being a child. You can't win by logic, but as long as you can get under my skin someway somehow, you'll feel like you "won", right? I can read you like a book.

>>15273609
No one cares about "winning" you spaz, no one has ever changed their opinion about anything because of something they read on 4chan. If you try to have le intellectual reddit debates on a shitposting board like /biz/ you are retarded.
Jesus christ, I feel sorry for you. I hope this "victory" isn't the highlight of your day.

>>15273633
For you, child:
>>15273628

>>15273575
I live in Finland.

The queues are long.
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/dentist_queues_as_long_as_8_months_in_some_areas_of_finland/10445377

The state is going bankrupt because of rising healthcare costs and the treatment can be subpar sometimes because they try to save money.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/finnish-government-collapses-due-to-rising-cost-of-universal-health-care/

I guess the system in finland is better than nothing, but it is not the paradise you might think it is. It will be going away because it is unsustainable. The government debt bubble will pop one day.

>>15273638
I'll pray for you. Everyone deserves a fulfilling life.

>>15273591
I asked my mom and dad to help too!

>>15273633
Also, that is complete BULLSHIT. It is a common desire to want to "win" an argument and prove your particular thoughts are in the right.

That's why people argue to begin with such as what you're doing RIGHT NOW, brainlet hypocrite.

>>15273503
>We
Doubtful

>>15273638
Thank you for granting us your presence. Your delusional rants have made my day 1000 times better.

>>15273649
pls rember that wen u feel scare or frigten
never forget ttimes wen u feeled happy

wen day is dark alway rember happy day

>>15273646
>>15273647
For you: >>15273628


Goodbye children. I have destroyed you losers and I was staying because I thought someone would ACTUALLY at least TRY to destroy the stats I've mentioned. I actually wanted to see if anyone could have changed my mind with actual DATA.

But no. Instead, I'm arguing with a kid that called his friends for backup. Ya no. This is why kids shouldn't be allowed in these threads. All you naive morons do is devolve an argument. I'm done. Closing this tab. I can easily say I was right by the data I've posted. I guess that's that.

Feel free to shitpost more and respond to this post though. I KNOW with 100% CERTAINTY that you guys WILL respond back to have the "last word" in order to SAVE FACE and not feel lile total dumbasses that just got totally obliterated by me. You guys NEED to respond to me to cope with the loss. I get it.
Bye bye :)

>>15273688
I hope this gives you ths confidence boost you need to get out there and succeed.

>>15273639
Why don't you just copy the German system? It's a little convoluted, but they seem pretty satisfied with it, and the wait times are less than the private US system.

>>15262909
Yeah just let me wagslave 12hrs and then NOT buy something nice. Let me feel like a literal SLAVE having to work while being dressed in shit clothes with a shit phone so everybody knows Im an outcast to society. All that to save some money that gets inflated anyway? All that to retire 3 years earlier? Being a loser with no good clothes, phone, girlfriend etc??

>>15273688
The real question is... who's gonna screen cap this thread?

>>15273688
Nooooo! I need you like joker needs batman! Don't go! Please!

>>15273694
nice

>>15273705
Freedom is nice because everyone can make the choices they want to make. Live how you wanna live. Live and let live.

>>15273713
We need a hero.

>>15263847
WTF is that? AI recognition?

>>15271721
>print currency
>produce value
Pick one