/biz/ - Business & Finance

They're just chimkins you faggot

>>15229024
true but they're cheap and delicious so I'll just turn my cheek the other way and don't think about it

>>15229024
No one cares, they lack a soul like i.e. dogs

>>15229024
I often remind people who go on and on about slavery that using today's morality to judge salve holders is ridiculous and wrong. They grew up in an environment where that shit was ok and how life worked. Everyone knew africans were stupid and violent and had to be salves for their own good. Then I go on to suggest a future where the wholesale butchery and torture of literally hundreds of billions of animals is looked back upon similar to slavery. What will your great grandchildren think of your bloodthirsty dinner plate? Maybe you shouldn;t think so poorly of your slave-owning ancestors, hmmm
t. glorious meat eater, i will butcher those fucking animals with my bare hands

>>15229071
they have souls
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lkVzzd6rE

>>15229071
Dogs don't have souls

>>15229085
Chickens don't have souls

>>15229024
>business and finance

/biz is turning into reddit, I shit you not

>>15229106
Factory farming is an industry

>>15229071
>Thinks its ok to eat dogs
Slit eye, slope, chink spotted

>>15229024

>>15229103
>keeps going and thinks really hard
>souls aren't real

>>15229124
No particular reason to believe that any soul other than your own exists.
Only barometer which comes remotely close is an examination of how close certain entities come to referencing that part of them which cannot be properly referenced (for it isn't a phenomenon)

>>15229036
thats what we said about niggers 200 years ago

>>15229158
looks like it's impossible for certain opinions to be right and others to be wrong woah

>>15229173
Agreed. Animals do have souls.

>>15229182
well i think that subatomic particles have souls so what does it matter if i kill a chicken not destroying any upquarks am i

>>15229024
>the same way we look back on slavery
Fondly?

>>15229153
>thinking what you have is a soul
fucking brainlets I swear

>>15229207
So can I kill you?

i try my best to eat ethically
i am on track to make plenty of money longterm and have already contributed heavily to charity (both in my profession, and financially) and i plan to open an animal shelter

<3

>>15229228
B&R

>>15229024
Fellow vegan fren, just dropping in to show support and to keep fighting the good fight. It's a sign of the changing times with most news finally reporting on the negative effects of factory farming and outright saying to reduce meat consumption to reduce climate change. You even have Canada removing dairy from the new food pyramid, and all these fast food establishments bringing on the Impossible patties and Beyond patties because they want that vegan money.

Dairy sales have fallen over 10% the past two years alone. We're making a difference, so anyone that tries to get at you by saying that it doesn't, just laugh at them.

Not bothering to stay in the thread though because I find that it's just a waste of time and energy to try and change someone's opinion when everyone is anon and it's the wrong board for it too, but I see you.

>>15229245
Also B&R. Good luck anon, I will donate to your shelter once I make it.

>>15229153
>sollip...
stopped reading

>>15229024
we're going to think it was a huge mistake because now we have the support all these worthless chickens via the welfare state?

>>15229242
probably not good for your own soul

>>15229301
well?

>>15229122
fuck are these?

>>15229406
slugs that you're meant to feel guilty about

Peasants.

>>15229024

It's okay to eat people.

>>15229428
What's that? Are they milking horseshoe crabs for horseshoe crab juice?

>>15229452
Kek I know there are suppose to be comma in there but it’s still funny

>>15229024
Its fucked

>>15229106
Beyond meat looks like it had a decent correction, should I buy now? Factory farming is gay like ur dad

>>15229115
Arbitrary rule swine eater

>>15229460
Their blood is very important for testing the purity of medicines

>>15229245
Based

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE AIR HAS BACTERIA IN IS STOP FUCKING KILLING ITA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

mmm thanks op im going to macdonals now, thanks

>>15229024
Wait so they want caged chicken again?

>>15229245

>i try my best to eat ethically
i am on track to make plenty of money longterm and have already contributed heavily to charity (both in my profession, and financially) and i plan to eat an animal shelter <3

FTFY chink

>>15229024
How else would you produce enough food to feed everybody living in cities?

Imagine feeling bad for chickens

>>15229158
And letting them free was a terrible mistake

OP is right. This is an animal holocaust

>>15229979
so just a holocaust then

>>15229689

Protip: Kill poor and retarded people.

>>15229071
>>15229103
you guys are beyond retarded. dogs obviously have souls. chickens very likely do as well.

but it's not that bad. it's better to live a life of suffering than no life at all. when a chicken is born to a mother whose entire life / entire specimen is evolved for torture, it'll have a soul that needs that suffering

>>15230932
>screeched the furious preteen.

>>15229024
The only problem with slavery was that the farm equipment wasn’t forcibly sterilized. Fight me.

>>15229460
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/559229/

>>15229024
Wrong. Factory farming is a million times worse than slavery.

>>15230977
can you define what a soul is?

>>15229428
at least they're not killed, they just take a small portion and then release them back to the ocean

>>15231205
i can define my idea of soul but i don't want to define it on /biz/

>>15229228
nigga pls

chances are your grandpappy (and half the burgers on this board) lost a job to a slave. In you guys couldn't stop bitching about mexicans and indians from stealing your jobs, why would you think for a second that no one bitched about blacks stealing jobs?

>>15231265
it's impossible to prove that anyone but you has a 'soul' because such all historical phenomena have a physical precedent and the only way to observe another soul as present phenomena is to be that [other person's] soul, which means that they are you regardless

>>15231277
*great great great grandpappy

>>15229024
>everyone's going to look back on factory farming the same way we look back on slavery
Will we be paying spics to stuff chickens full of fried nigger?

>>15231301
>it's impossible to prove that anyone but you has a 'soul'

you're very wrong.

>>15231265
why would you make an assertion about who has a soul and who doesn't and then refuse to define what a soul is?

>>15231301
would you mind defining "soul"?

>>15231265
a soul is nothing more than a platonic/dualistic conception based on the false premise that the physical world and spiritual world are two separate entities. there is no difference between the physical and the spiritual. these are absolutely out of date categories. it's all process, there isn't 'stuff' on the one hand and 'form' on the other. it's just pattern, life is a dance of energy.

It’s beyond fucked.

If we didn’t have central banking subsidizing brain dead hoardes of retards eating this shitty meat, we could subsist entirely on organic farming.

Instead...we have corporatists defending their profits through lobbying at all costs

The world is beyond fucked, and it’s all thanks to globalist central bankers

>>15231337
well why don't you give it a shot
the soul which proves that a person is an actual ethical entity is that which makes a thing conscious of itself in the way that you are presumably conscious of yourself. this cannot be observed.

>>15231349
Something along the lines of apperception. That which underpins all of being from the phenomenological perspective; or that which is requisite for a phenomenon to actually exist as such.

>>15231364
unironically the most buzzword filled bluepilled post i've ever read on this website
do you even know what you're talking about

>>15231381
you need to define vague words like soul cause I guarantee nobody else thought thats what you were talking about. it is not impossible to prove that a soul exists outside of your own based on your definition btw.

>>15231437
I think it's the best definition of the soul because it's the only one that gives things ethical merit, which is supposedly the function of introducing soul into this discussion at all.

>it is not impossible to prove that a soul exists outside of your own based on your definition btw.
I'd be happy to learn how
The most I can arrive at is highly plausible logically and necessarily believed in behaviorally.

>>15231468
>I think it's the best definition of the soul
In the context of this thread.

>>15231468
well lets start by you telling me how you are able to recognize your own soul

>>15231265
Do it pussy

>>15231398
>Math degree from Caltech
>do I know what I’m talking about

Don’t know, do you? The problem is this is an as above, so below situation just like link. Boomer doomsdayers whosay retarded shit like this actually are correct, but for more complicated reasons than they know. Brainlets in the Middle who think they’re smart (like you) don’t see the full board. Pic related, this also implies to link

The problem here is corporatism (viewing corporations as people) and giving the government the teeth to defend corporations like this and subsidize brain dead masses who live off welfare and work shitty jobs that wouldn’t exist in a high IR env

>>15231488
I'm not capable of directly looking into it, but it's a presupposition of all phenomena; and my experiencing of phenomena is a necessary truth.

>>15229103
First of all you need to define “soul”. Second of all dogs are can be the most amazing things on this fucking planet if you raise them right. The love and protection I’ve received from dogs in my lifetime is something I don’t think I’m worthy of.

>>15231499
Of course central banks are (one of) the giant evil(s).
Firstly, saying that anything is all thanks to x is reductionist nonsense aimed at insulating the psyche from any actual thinking
Secondly, there's literally no reason to believe that central banks cause everyone to eat more meat.
Qua hypothesis central banks make us poorer and make things more expensive. Jews at the top don't just buy billions of chickens and throw them in holes. One would expect the demand for meat to go down from our gradual impoverishment.

>>15231524
I've defined soul further up. I understand the thing which you're pointing at, but I don't think it's the ethically relevant category. Your category is only relevant insofar as people (or you, even) care about dogs.

Animals are unambiguously sentient. They are capable of experiencing both pleasure and pain. Animal agriculture causes immense suffering to these creatures and contributes more to climate change than all transportation combined. On top of this the vegan diet is better for one's health than the western diet by a remarkable margin. With the advent of lab grown meat and the increasing number of plant-based alternatives becoming available veganism will inevitably become the norm. Our ancestors will look back on us with disdain and astonishment while lauding those who had the insight and integrity to realise that this is one of the most horrendous follies of our time and argued against the abuse and slaughter of innocent sentient creatures. Go vegan.

>>15231509
so your evidence of a soul is that you've presupposed that the soul exists?

>>15231553
>They are capable of experiencing
How so. Did you look at their nerves?

>>15231468
>>>15231437
>I think it's the best definition of the soul because it's the only one that gives things ethical merit

what no
also you can make an algorithm that emulates ethical merit, that won't make it have anything to do with souls

>>15231569
There's a difference between a presupposition and an assumption. In order for phenomena to exist there needs to be that to which the phenomena is a phenomena. That is I.

The eternal divine soul is universal, shared by everything and can't be measured. Your earthly spirit is material and measurable. Chickens have both but it's irrelevant. Factory farming hurts the human spirit not the chickens.

>>15231577
>also you can make an algorithm that emulates ethical merit, that won't make it have anything to do with souls
That's true; and that's the point. There's no way to ultimately (not probabilistically) differentiate emulation from the real thing.

>>15231590
I agree that there is a difference, an assumption is based on information you already have. A presupposition is an assumption without any prior information. you can make any argument you'd like as long as you use a presupposition and you have yo hope that others presuppose your idea as well, or they will find the presupposition to be the critical flaw in your logic.

>>15231552
>>15231524
This argument has nothing to do with "souls" only whether animals have the ability to experience pleasure and pain, which they do. Causing suffering is wrong, as is depriving a sentient entity of pleasure.

>>15231610
there is.

>>15231524
Dogs are just another animal. I'm glad they are generally treated well here compared to other animals, but other animals should be treated humanely also. Just because we don't want it as a pet doesn't mean we should be ok with treating it like garbage. People who can't treat other living creatures with respect are not worthy of breathing.

>>15231538
You’re missing the point. The entire reason why we have populations as large and brain dead as we do is BECAUSE elites keep importing immigrants and subsidizing the brain dead shitty existences of los ogres americanos etc. they need this perpetual pop growth to keep the fiat ponzi going. They’ll start feeding people insects to keep the populations growing, it’s already being discussed

Central banks give the government enormous power to enforce shit like this also, not just to force the populations to multiply. But to defend the corporate personhood legislation that’s protects these meat farms from legislation

I guarantee you if 1. Corporations weren’t legally people 2. Central banks didn’t exist, we wouldn’t have this bullshit. They would be legislated away, the masses wouldn’t be multiplying like rats, civilization would be better off in every regard

>>15231571
I have looked into this, yes. They are mammals and share much of our neuro-anatomy including nociceptors which we know are used to perceive pain.

>>15231641
>Causing suffering is wrong

morality is generally based on the goal of promoting the wellbeing of humans. most humans haven't gotten to the point of adjusting the goal to promoting the wellbeing of all life.

>>15231365
>Soul is self-consciousness
Mirror test. I don't think that everything that doesn't pass the mirror test doesn't have a soul, but certainly everything that passes does

>>15231641

> Causing suffering is wrong
if i want to nitpick, is it unethical to put a murderer in prison?

but i assume it's not what you meant.
so let's say someone built a robot that was capable of reacting to pain and pleasure. would causing pain to this robot be unethical? is it unethical to run over a random pedestrian in GTA?

>>15231687
Why only humans? Aren't we primarily concerned with human welfare because others are sentient and capable of pleasure and pain? If so it is logical to extend our concerns regarding welfare to all sentient entities.

Can I go on an African safari and hunt trophy hunters?

>>15231728
no. societies are concerned with human welfare because -despite much reason suggesting otherwise- caring about human welfare is somehow beneficial to societies in the long term. democracies became far more powerful than monarchies.
you're raised to be concerned with human wellfare because those societes that raised their children otherwise are now marginal / don't exist

>>15231705
>is it unethical to put a murderer in prison?
No. We do this in part to prevent them from causing further suffering and as a punishment to deter others from causing suffering as they did.
>would causing pain to a robot be unethical?
If the robot is genuinely sentient, yes of course.
>is it unethical to run over a random pedestrian in GTA
No, they lack sentience and do not experience pain nor pleasure.

>>15231772
>caring about human welfare is somehow beneficial to societies in the long term
Morality isn't just about something being beneficial to society in the long term. With this reasoning if Hitler had won and been successful in his eugenics program he would have done nothing wrong.

Been vegan for 2 years now and have never felt better. It is the red pilled decision in the end. Stop eating garbage biz bros.

>>15229024
only faggots and women care about animals

>>15229024
These animals were forced to evolve artificially for us to use them as food
Now we either keep doing what we've been doing for centuries or we release them in the wild, which can only result in either them being absolutely BTFO by other more adapted wild animals or them adapting really well with no predators and BTFO'ing the environment

Short answer: yeah, just eat them

>>15232006
>doesn't eat properly
>tells people they should eat properly

>>15229084
>salves

>>15229024
maybe evolving from an unstoppable killing machine into a flappy bird wasnt such a great idea after all

>>15232042
Yeah kicking cats and dogs is fine because you're not a woman or homosexual. Flawless logic friend.

>>15232143
>yeah, just eat them
This perpetuates the cycle of suffering through demand. If demand stops they will stop being bred into existence. No one is suggesting we just release all the animals into the wild. It will be a gradual process.

>>15232253
Look up nutrition studies. Plant-based diets are far better for health and longevity.

>>15232690
compared to what, the average diet? please. GAPS for 18 years, literally every meal, snack and drink is good stuff. meat is an integral part of the diet.
it's like a caveman diet. eat what our ancestors ate. what our bodies are expecting. fruits, veg, nuts, eggs and animals. get cured.
http://gaps.me

Sophisticated Beyond Meat shill.

>>15232745
You're doing better than the majority of the population in terms of health when it comes to diet, good job. Now educate yourself on animal suffering and climate change. As long as you supplement with b12 you will get the same health benefits with a vegan diet.

>>15232841
that's not what dr mcbride says in her book. she repeatedly asserts that animal products are important.
i don't care if a chicken's life is shit as long as i'm not hungry. i mean i wouldn't choose it, but if i stand to benefit in any way whatsoever then bring on the henocide.

>>15232690
It depends on how you diet. Both evgan and meat based diets when done right. That is the key concept. If you're eating McDonald's processed beef, that isn't a healthy meat based diet.

Vegans are not getting nutrients that meat eaters get and the same can be said about a meat eater.

>>15232841
You see, vegans still need to supplement. Guess what you don't have naturally without a local GNC? Those vitamins in tablet form.

Tired of this vegan vs meat shit. Both have certain rules to stick to and if you exercise properly, both can give you good health.

>>15232841
Absolutely not you utter groid. The human body craves long branch chain amino acids, the type found exclusively in organ meat, in fact that’s what made us big brains in the first place. Going vegan doesn’t provide long enough amino acids which is why you’re never gonna make it.

>>15232690
>Plant-based diets are far better
lmao you pop big pharma pills and powders because your diet is literally and factually NUTRIENT DEFICIENT compared to eating meat, yet you think your diet is better

eat some delicious grass fed veal liver instead

Meat diet includes carnitine and taurine. Vegans do not consume that because you can't find them in plants. What makes a vegan diet successful is the abundance of antioxidants, polyphenols, and fighting oxidation from free radicals. High fiber and natural carbs in fruits, nuts, seeds, and vegetables fight off heart disease, provide fiber, and are low in saturated fats that can increase total cholesterol.

Meat based diet is rich in taurine and carnitine. It's also rich in B vitamins like B12, iron, magnesium, and saturated fat which has its benefits despite being targeted as bad for the heart. It's the source that matters. Olive oil vs canola oil. Chicken vs beef. Bush beans vs peanuts.

The key to all of this is exercise. It doesn't hurt to fast either and drink plenty of filtered water everyday.

The one thing is we all live in different areas of the world with different available options of food. It's not natural for someone in Minnesota to eat papaya. There is no one right way of doing anything. You have to experiment a little bit. When I come across vegans that are against meat, I remind them that animals can be bred from a sperm just like a plant can be grown from seed. Each have different makeups.

If people would stay away from processed foods, artificial ingredients, and exercise then we'd have a healthier society.

but I can get a mcchicken for $1 :)

Free range vs factory farming. Raising plants and animals has the same end game. You do the same thing when you harvest vegetables as you do when you butcher animals. Both can be reproduced over and over again for human consumption. If you want to be moral about it, then raise your animals humanely and grow your plants organically. Who gives a fuck how long you will live. There's no crystal ball that can determine how long you will live. Find what you love to do and go after it.

>>15229024
if they ever discovered a way to completely replicate food in a lab would you guys care then?

Maybe I'm turning into a pussy but the more I see this stuff the worse I feel.

i only eat organic free range chicken/eggs. i only use organic natural skin care products. 99.9% of other people dont and are fucking evil ignorant scum

>>15229103
t. zhao chang

>>15229158

Yes and see the kind of damage letting them out of the cages did

>>15232841

>MAN MADE climate change

The banks ran out of our money so now they're paying politicians to rouse people into forcing everyone to get loans at gunpoint. To "make their house more co2 friendly". Oh and of course breathing taxation. CO2 isn't even harmful, we have too little of it in the atmosphere.

You should be more worried about chemical and plastic pollution. And non-edible foodstuffs like canola and onions.

>>15231873
IF hitler was right and eugenics would actually produce a better society, he'd probably have won. he wasn't right for a multitude of reasons. diversity is obviously useful for societies to a large extent.


>>15231843
>If the robot is genuinely sentient, yes of course.
>No, they lack sentience and do not experience pain nor pleasure.

when does an algorithm gain sentience? you can make a robot that reacts to being hurt, similarly as a video game character reacts to pain. you can make the algorithm more and more complex and resemble human behaviour more and more, but at what point would you consider that it "has gained sentience"?
protip: it never does.

>>15234233
>but at what point would you consider that it "has gained sentience"

at what specific point. like if i remove this line of code it's not sentient, if i add it, it is.
if a simple algorithm doesn't have sentience, but a more complex one does, there has to a be a point where it gains it.

>>15229024
I didn't read this thread because I assume it's terrible but I've been vegan for 4 years and it's one of the best decisions I've made and I love it.

>>15234296
pussy boi

>>15234296
That's good. Going vegan has its benefits when done right. So does eating properly cooked and correctly processed meat. I feel great too because I do a mix of both with fasting, exercise, and a few supplements.

>>15229024
Wen Beyond Niggers IPO?

>>15229024
Go be a matchstick vegan somewhere else, faggot.

>>15229485
Beyond Meat is a hilariously obvious IPO scam

>>15229103
Humans don't have souls either. It doesn't mean we should be dicks to everyone.

>>15229269
Lmao say what you want. Dairy is a staple in all high end cooking. It’s the base for many products overall and will stay that way even after we are gone. You may not like it, but it’s true dairy is super based in the foods that I can create. Even if it’s a little bit of milk, that milk makes all the difference in the recipe no matter how you veganfags try and convince us
>durrr non dairy milks taste better!!!!!

>>15235766
>cannot cook properly without muh cow titty juice
thank god most asian dishes require coconut milk instead of breast milk from another species

enjoy the female hormones, milkbois

>>15229122
how did they fit them in those bottles?

>>15231244
A lot of them do die from it though

>>15229085
roosters are male, anon

>>15236114
Imagine being this pathetic that you spend your time ridiculing people for drinking milk. Have sex, with a woman.

>>15229084
Nogs should be slaves though. I had at least one ancestor who was a slave-owner feelsgoodman

>>15236114
Have sex incel

>>15229024
Would it be acceptable to die without knowing your maker and what he did for you?

Go vegan

>>15233693
>Maybe I'm turning into a pussy but the more I see this stuff the worse I feel.
No, it's called growing up and it happens to everyone. The only people you see saying edgy shit about the way animals are treated are teenagers and young adults (>25 year olds). Maybe the occasional religious nut.

>>15229024
>do people think this is acceptable

No, they just don't think about it. If you don't like it go back to living like your ancestors did and grow your own meat.

>>15229024
>the same way we look back on slavery.

i dont give a shit about slavery

>>15236171
They grew them in there.

Haven't read the thread but I agree that what is depicted in the photo is disgusting. That being said, I was a vegetarian for 10 years and I feel much, much better eating meat again. I try to buy free range and organic as much as possible in hopes that the conditions are slightly better.

Chickens don't have self awareness. They are just a nervous system that reacts to stimulus. No higher order thought. Plants are similar. When one part is cut down a signal is sent through out the plant "traumatizing" it. But no one gives a fuck about plants. So why give a fuck about chickens? Or any one dumb animal?

>>15229024
I went vegan for 6 months and developed type 2 diabetes and medium heart disease from all the carbs and lost a ton of muscle mass. Within 2 months of going Carnivore I have cleared all that shit up.

Eggs, cheeses, milks, heavy good fat creams, Tons of Honey for energy. I eat 2 tablespoons of honey with every meal in fact.

Oh and did I mention bacon? Yes lots of bacon. Everyday.

Carnivore diet is the key folks.

>>15231277
Keeping and acquiring slaves was expensive. You'd not use them willy nilly. The South was a mammoth debt hole and really gave zero fucks.

>>15229428
Man now that'll take ya to the moon.
Horseshoe crab blood— $53,250per gallon

>>15229122
Mantis shrimps, spending their entire life inside bottles.
Until this planet allows this, it deserves a nuclear holocaust.

>>15236862
Absolutely delusional. The youtube video posted in this very thread disproves every single thing you just said.
Are you religious by chance?

>>15236876
I don't even agree with a vegan diet but unless you already weighed 600 pounds I cannot understand how you ended up with type 2 diabetes in half a year

>>15229024
I didn’t read the whole thread but I agree with op. This why veganism is becoming more popular cause it’s cheapee than buying cruelty-free meat.

>>15236876
bullshit now kys

Why do people assume that life in the wild is preferable to life on a factory farm.

Being on the verge of starving and at constant risk of being devoured alive by predators seems far worse.

>>15237457
kys

>>15237457
The real question is why do people assume that life in the wild is the alternative to life on a factory farm? Is there some threshold of vegans which, when met, will trigger all farms everywhere to release billions of chickens into the wild?
No. If people stop eating chicken then chickens will stop being bred and the genetic abominations found in those farms will slowly cease to exist, obviously.

>>15231769
Trophy hunting supports preserve lands you brainlet. Rich old boomers who show up and pay to kill rare animals are the best thing that ever happened to those animals.

>>15229122
>>15237282

no they don't, the bottles are slitted and resealed. They are caught full-size as adults. Do you really think chinks are going to feed these until they reach full size to sell them?

>>15231769
Day of the pillow soon for boomers

>>15229024
Dont care, fuck off moralfag

>>15236862
It's about moral production. The chicken eggs from any grocery store are usually raised in poor conditions with no room to run free. They get fed poor quality feed. On the other side, you see fresh farmed chickens being taken care of and allowed to roam free range. Yes there is a difference in the quality of the meat and eggs from that.

Nothing like a farm fresh animal and their offerings.

>>15236876
Right on bro. There are nutrients in meat that you can't get from plants. I'm not against veganism, but I will never go vegan. Most vegans don't even eat a true vegan diet. Variety is key. Good carbs from legumes and seeds. Bacon has a lot of monounsaturated fat and although processed bacon does have nitrates, there are studies that say they have benefits. .

>>15237972
Not all the time - in some cases.

Anyway I don't know which one is worse.
Being trapped inside a tight coffin after you lived half of your life free, or born and bred there. Equally unproportionally cruel to the benefit.

People = shit.

>>15238403
I'm sympathetic towards animals, but does it really matter in the case of shrimp? Do they really suffer from that kind of treatment? I agree with you generally about people being shit in the way they treat animals for little benefit but I'm not sure I agree on this specifically

I would rather torture a million shrimp or a hundred thousand chickens than watch one old man go hungry.
Factory farming lowers food prices, lowered food prices reduces hunger and starvation.
I'm not willing to trade any amount of human suffering for animal happiness.

>>15238825
Absolute troglodyte "thinking" there, lad. Both philosophically and pragmatically, since the practice of raising animals for food actually uses far more resources and produces less than using the land to feed people directly (using land that goes towards feeding livestock to feed humans instead).

But I'm sure you already knew this, you just choose to ignore it to maintain your ego-driven teenager-tier pseudo-philosophy.

>>15238825
Or poor people could save money and eat less meat?

>>15229024
I completely agree with you OP. Been a vegetarian for about ten years now. This is the only contribution I will make in this thread though because these conversations never go anywhere.

The only thing the future will remember is what the dopamine inducing data prompts from their memory.

Once black mirror style virtual reality comes online nobody will give a fuck about anything.

>>15229024
I just want my chicken tendies

>>15229024
This could have been prevented

>>15232668
So what do we do? Do we just spend trillions neutering all those animals and waste resources to keep them alive and away from the wild until they finally die off? It ain't feasible, dude
The other way to do this is to just line them up against a wall and blow their brains out, but that'd be just as dramatic as what we currently do and get people complaining about muh animal rights again

>>15239123
Why did you make a post containing a premise that's dispelled by the post you quoted?
Why would we need to "neuter all those animals"? Why would we need to "keep them away from the wild"? I mean do you really think they're just breeding uncontrollably on their own like feral cats or something?

>>15229024
Its still hard to believe chickens evolved from motherfucking dinosaurs man. In eating the descendants of the trex like they are my little bitches. Take that jurassic faggots

>>15239377
Read the entire conversation

>>15239377
>>15239421
Better, explain to me how it's dispelled by the post I quoted

>>15239435
I can'tr really put it more simply than he did. Why would we release chickens into the wild? Who is suggesting this? Why would we neuter them? Who is suggesting this? If people stopped eating meat it would be a gradual process, fewer and fewer chickens would be bred. There wouldn't suddenly, one day, be a gigantic surplus of chickens that we now don't know what to do with because everyone on earth went vegan overnight, lmao. Use your brain

>>15229024
yeaa
People care more about cost though, it will only stop when a generation has been raised on cheaper meat substitutes. It will take a while though.

>>15239123
1. stop breeding new
2. continue eating the remainder for one or two years
wew, suddenly there are no chickens, where did they go?

In reality free range is a lot better than caged animals so I expect that to remain for years after caged dies out (in the west, chinese will still be eating them at least until it's cheaper not to)