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“The take home is that regular use of caffeine produces no benefit to alertness, energy, or function. Regular caffeine users are simply staving off caffeine withdrawal with every dose – using caffeine just to return them to their baseline. This makes caffeine a net negative for alertness, or neutral at best if use is regular enough to avoid any withdrawal.”

- Neurologist Stephen Novella

culo @ >>15212462

Caffeine is terrible. If you can’t get through your day without it then you’re a beta faggot.

>>15212462
lol why even bother wearing clothes at this point?

>Withdrawal occurs at dosages as low as 100 mg/day. That’s just one typical cup of coffee. One study (Field et al., 2003) even found that abstaining from just 41 mg/day for 30 hours decreased blood flow to some parts of the brain by 19-32%. The most common withdrawal symptoms are headache, fatigue, decreased energy/activeness, decreased alertness, drowsiness, decreased contentedness, depressed mood, difficulty concentrating, irritability, and foggy/not clearheaded-ness. Withdrawal is much, much more common than most people think. Many people just assume legal drugs are perfectly safe and only associate withdrawal with illegal drugs, even though there is practically no relation between the toxicity and addictiveness of drugs and their legal status, but caffeine withdrawal is extremely common. In fact, many studies overestimated the positive effects of caffeine, because they didn’t exclude habitual caffeine consumers. This causes participants to be in withdrawal during the study and the so called positive effects of caffeine are then merely withdrawal reversal. If your training sessions are notably poorer without stimulants, you may very well be in withdrawal. Withdrawal also causes muscle stiffness and weakness.
(Juliano & Griffiths, 2004).

>>15212480
I might try to quit coffee but I'm never giving up tea faggot

>>15212480
This.

>>15212488
>>Medical/health studies and research are showing that there are some side effects of tea that have a bad effect on your health. These potential tea side effects can range from cancer (esophageal and prostate) to brittle bones.
Not going to make it. Reason being = death.

>>15212488
I eliminated coffee to eliminate hand jitters for those drawing gains but I'm not giving up my green tea.

>>15212510
Everything gives you cancer

>>15212469
i-is that Stephen Novella?

>>15212488
Yep, there is no way back after green tea. Nothing can replace it. You can quit soda, coffee, drink only still water and natural juices, but green tea is kind of dragon which keeps you hooked forever

>>15212510
You are dying right now because oxygen oxidizes your body, and green tea is anti-oxidant. Whoops, death spiral

>>15212480
caffeine raises testosterone. It's also, along with creatine and beta-alanine, the only other LEGAL performance enhancing drug in most countries. It makes a noticeable difference if you are a weightlifter or a sportsfag. You can also, reset your caffeine tolerance by taking breaks or reducing dosage or even by taking an adaptogen like rhodiola rosea or ashwagandha. I'm allergic as fuck to ashwagandha but I've heard it works breddy gud.

>>15212554
>this absolute brainlet thinks a habitual stimulant intake has a net positive benefit on weightlifting
you are going to overreach aka do more volume than you can naturally handle and so destroy your longterm progress because you will need more rest you dyel faggot. stimulants have no recovery effect unlike steroids. caffeine also bites into your recover because it nukes your rem sleep

>>15212554
Can confirm. I take caffeine, creatine and beta alanine pre workout. Feels good man.

>>15212554
>he fell for the illusion

>>15212605
>BETA alanine

>>15212597
Do you REALLY think caffeine, creatine and beta alanine are going to make you lift SO MUCH more that it will hinder youe recovery? You're the DYEL faggot here. I bench 400, squat 500 and DL 600 and take stimulants every time I lift soo...

>>15212605
Creatine and beta alanine shouldnt even be taken preworkout. These are the brainlets shilling for caffeine.

>>15212597
like I said, TAKE BREAKS. What are you, a fucking Mormon or something?

>>15212462
Also, caffeine "addiction" only gives you a slight headache if you stop cold turkey and you have been consuming a lot of caffeine daily. Oh no!!

>>15212462
i don't drink coffee or tea or soda, haven't had a soda in 10 yrs and I've only tasted coffee and tea a few times.

>>15212632
If you're a mega addict, you've got to taper it off rather than going cold turkey.

>>15212627
Creatine intake timing doesn't matter as you will reach saturation levels after taking it daily for a few weeks. Beta alanine I can agree, it's better post workout. I just drink it pre in my drink because its easier than taking separate supplements.

>>15212622
Read the fucking op you absolute brainlet.

>take stimulants every time i lift
>estatts
kys you pathetic addicted larping junkie

>“The take home is that regular use of caffeine produces no benefit to alertness, energy, or function. Regular caffeine users are simply staving off caffeine withdrawal with every dose – using caffeine just to return them to their baseline. This makes caffeine a net negative for alertness, or neutral at best if use is regular enough to avoid any withdrawal.”

Kek at caffeine. Who else here SARMs masterrace?

5 months without caffeine and it's been a shit show. I've heard it can take people up to a year to find their natural energy... if i don't start having some good, motivated, clear headed days by 6 months - i'm fucking OUT

>>15212658
how much were you taking lad

>>15212462
Switch to preworkout and actually go work on your physical well-being then you NEET fuck

>>15212658
Have you tried vitamins / supplements? Could be you have empty tank and just need to refill it

>>15212656
are SARMs less safe than normal roids?

>>15212707
>>15212656
SARMS effect your natural testosterone mechanism just as roids do so you still need to get on a pct.

>>15212462
>the jew brew

If you were as smart as a Jew, you'd know about tolerance breaks.

>>15212730
you take them orally, so does it fuck up your liver? Also, why would you choose sarms over regular roids?

>>15212738
oy vey! shoo shoo shlomo

Anon, I switched to decaf. You are correct, after a while caffeine becomes something you depend on. This is evident as soon as you stop for a day or two and get headaches and other withdrawal symptoms. I believe that everything should just be in moderation, too much of anything is going to have adverse effects. The body naturally gravitates toward homeostasis, and our diets and lifestyles and habits should do the same. Any kind of overconsumption, be it, food, drink, drug, media, exercise, work, will lead to problems. Don't listen to those who tell you absolutely that one particular way of doing things is the correct and only way.

>>15212462

No, iced coffee is one of the few things I have left to enjoy on this shitty planet

YOU ARE NOT TAKING IT AWAY FROM ME

5 months without caffeine. still trying to find this natural energy people speak of

>>15212794
Stop fapping

>>15212794
have sex

>>15212462
These people are so fucking crazy they assign ethnicist conspiracy theories...to substances

This is coming from someone who takes in no caffeine, but I do addy regularly. You gotta do what you gotta do to make life bearable/worth living, or to hold on to progress to the next step. Find your drug - the right drug for you - and use it to your advantage, but control it as much as possible. Go cold turkey for the hell of it when things will be slow.

>>15212814
last time i tried no fap it did nothing for my motivation but i will give it another go now i am no longer a caffeine cuck

>>15212462
>Jew brew
Make it yourself you pleb. Coffee is nice, just grind and filter it yourself

>>15212462
How does it feel like bros ?

>>15212462
wouldn't it be crazy if she was constipated and she was embarrassed about it but she asked for your help so she has you stick your dick in her butt and plunger the shit loose and she shits all over the place and turns red, haha that'd be crazy

Bunch of contrarian faggots. I drink 2 or 3 cups a week if I need to. Why do you have to whine about everything? God fucking damn.

>>15212462
I don't drink coffee
The coffee culture is degenerate
Coffee drinkers breaths stink

>>15213046
falling asleep with your flaccid penis (Recently Drained ofc) buried between the soft buttox of a qt is impossible to describe my friend. have sex

>>15212462
Although I agree, coffee does contain a lot of antioxidants that one would not consume otherwise. People rarely drink tea anymore.

This health benefit most likely outweighs the side effects.

what about a brapuccino

>>15212622
This literally makes 0 sense. If there is a baseline, then caffeine most definitely takes you above that baseline. I'm not denying the reality that the withdrawals are a substantial part of habitual caffeine use and an unfortunate consequence of it, but the idea that it doesn't do the very things everyone literally knows for a fact that it does is fucking retarded. Any stimulant will take you below baseline once it wears off. The idea that taking the drug doesn't take you ABOVE the baseline during it's metabolism is preposterous.

You have to dose yourself sparingly, the same way you would with any other stimulant. Habitual use leads to short-term physical dependency that diminishes the value of the drug's effects.To claim that they simply are not there is ignorance.

>>15213487
Oh shit, meant to quote >>15212647

>>15212597
post body right now u fucking larper

>>15212462
Already quit along with Xanax. 3 Day dryfast will kick any addiction you have.

>>15212656
First cycle on rad140 here. Done osta and lgd in the past. Thinking this is the one I'm going to be sticking with from now on. The pumps, mental and dry gains are insane on as little as 5 mg (assuming your source hasn't diluted their product. Most do since they know low doses work)

Ama I guess?

Oh and op is most certainly a weak beta faggot. "Drugs are bad, goy"

I never realized there were so many baby bitches on /biz/ who can’t handle a little caffeine.

>>15212730
No you don't. As long as you don't do anything stupid your hormones should recover and rebalance in a couple months. Sharma don't (or hardly) affect LH and FSH which are generally all that's needed for your body to reach your natural homeostasis again

>t. about 10 sarm cycles. Some with pct but most without

>>15212533
Including cancer, seriously it does

>>15212462
Wow, you're a fucking retard. You probably think cigarettes cause lung cancer too. lol

>>15212658
>>15212794
It just takes 48h to go off a caffeine addiction. Your problem is something else

>>15213982
There aren't. Stimulants much more potent than caffeine are mandatory for real businessmen. Sometimes the /r9k/ fags wander over.

>>15212462
>drinking coffee in the first place.

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>>15213487
Are you guys actual people or just shitcoin peddling poos?

>>15212768
Drink up anon, OP is just another virtue signaler trying to put you down

>>15212744
SARMs have an androgenic ratio of 90:1.
Basically have 90% the positive effects of injecting testosterone but only 1% of the negatives. And there's also the fact that they are legal (by now).

>>15214271
My comment was about how cancer can actually cause other types of cancer, including dumb niggers who mass reply like you now kill yourself

>>15212462
>>15212469
Video related.
>>15212632
There's people with a metabolism more sensitive to it than others.

>>15214335
Fug, forgot link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEQ0VzchkBE

>>15212462
This is the new nofap.

>>15212462
>jew brew

Absolutely based and beyond redpilled

I'm getting no fap vibes
basically it's losers trying to find something they can blame their problems on instead of taking responsibility for their actions
HELLO WAKE UP CALL you suck because you make bad decisions

>>15212554
BRAPPACINO SELLER, I REQUIRE YOUR STRONGEST BRAPPACINO

>>15214449
>posts symbol of jewish religion
Absolute state of this retarded board

>>15213093
Thx for the suicide fuel, faggot

>>15214589
>christianity
>jewish

you mean catholicism, which is """"christianity""""
jews reject christ

Keto boosts adenosine

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769009/

>Not being MatchaPilled in 2019

I drink 3 energy drinks a day.

>>15214638
Matcha has a shit load of caffeine kek

>all these pathetic coffee sluts on this thread
it's almost as if you have no willpower at all
>wow i cant quit drinking this boiled bean water mixed with sugar and milk
lmao

>>15212462
>The Misconception: Coffee stimulates you.
>The Truth: You become addicted to caffeine quickly, and soon you are drinking coffee to cure withdrawal more than for stimulation.

I switched from 6 shots of espresso a day to 3, then 2. I feel much better at 3, but I don't seem to feel better at 2. Maybe 3 is my sweet spot idk. It's a stimulant after all, it sounds memey to say that it doesn't stimulate you.

>tfw average about 5-750mg caffeine a day
Ooph

I'm not much of a caffeine junkie...
I've tried to use lots green tea for weight loss (with exercise, diet etc)
and one day I had one too many and ended up in hospital with arrythmia

>>15214924
Probably too much, read my post above yours, but each to their own.

Also I have 3 shots in the morning, every morning, all at once, while watching the sun rise. Damn it feels good...!

>>15215070
I too drink triple espresso in the morning, and I get em free at work

>>15212462
I had a NOCCO 3 hours ago and I'm now sitting with a coffee.
Watchu gon do bout it?

>>15213458
Underrated

Try stopping drinking caffeine

You'll feel like shit for 2-3 days before you feel much better than before

Caffeine is poison

I've been decaf for 8 years now, it has lowered my tolerance to caffeine dramatically.

When some dickhead barista can't be bothered to find the decaf and just makes me a normal coffee? Day, unironically, ruined. Anxiety, jitters, shaky, stomach in knots...

When you cut caffeine out you'll realise how fucked up it is.

What the fuck are you guys talking about? There is nothing wrong with coffee. The problem is when you eat other shit. When you eat a fucking candy bars, donuts, processed foods and other alternating DNA foods. Your shit gets all fucked up from the natural caffeine in coffee. I'm talking about a black bean coffee, not this sugar, cream and milk shit. Straight coffee. Here we go, give internet access to shit for brains and they act like the fucking senate. You fuckers are chowing down on those fucking Mcburgers and DNA Alt Mars bars. lol.

>>15214573
>Shitting on someone for recognizing their bad decisions and trying to better themselves

>>15214642
Caffeine addiction is the least of your worries

>>15212544
White tea is just virgin untouched 11/10 green tea at 5x the price.
It's also the best.
Mao Feng is a nice affordable in between quality.

>>15216418
The point he's making is that coffee isn't the problem, fapping isn't the problem, the problem is that you need to git gud.

>>15212875
addy fag here. well said
the times i did control my addy i was unstoppable, now i binge and sell them

>>15212462
Caffeine is fine so long as you have a decent amount of water after or during consumption of anything caffeinated. Sugar is worse than caffeine btw. Personally after I have an energy drink I make sure to drink at least half a gallon of water and something high in vitamin C.

>>15216999
Droning too much coffee and fapping too much hinder that
Do you just like shitting on people improving themselves or what

>>15217233
No, I'm all for improving yourself. But you might benefit more from other options like improving your health.
I've done nofap and quit coffee before, didn't do much. The change that helped the most was going for long runs. You can do that even if you're fapping or caffiene addicted.

>>15217294
Long runs are good. I still fap but I was able to cut down significantly after 2-3 weeks of not fapping and that really helped me personally.

Don't care Tbh increases insulin sensitivity and uptake of electrolytes which help me get bigger and helps my kidneys which need help due to my chronic roid abuse.

>>15212469
This is actually false. For every minute of withdrawal you go through, your body has made progress towards baseline.
So when you wake up every morning feeling like shit and you have a cup of coffee, you still get a performance boost and coffee high, because you partially paid off your withdrawal debt in your sleep.
The best part is that it's sustainable, you don't have to drink more than a cup a day to maintain your high.

>>15217745
I've been off caffeine since April, and I can tell that it was doing more than just staving off withdrawal. With coffee I could do 5 hours of sleep and then power through a work day, but without it I need more sleep or else my eyes start drooping during long meetings.

But 5 hours sleep + caffeine was giving me heart palpitations and high blood pressure, so the benefits weren't sustainable in the long run.

>do all sorts of crazy pills that affect your mind
>do even more pills to fix the harm previous pills did
>do weed or even cocaine
>indulge in harmful, unhealthy hedonistic behaviour
>"COFFEE IS WHAT WILL KILL ME!"

Why, whites?

Addiction is for the mentally weak. If you can not break free, you are a brainlet. This assumes that you acknowledge the addiction as a problem. I for one don't see caffeine addiction as a problem. I like the feeling of a hot drink in the morning with a good taste, so I will continue to drink it and enjoy my life.

>>15212462
I want to passionately kiss those lips HNNNNGHHH

>>15214305
>SARMs have an androgenic ratio of 90:1
Yeah that's not how that ratio works. Also that number is for a single SARM (rad140) and complete bullshit. Try and find its source. It's some bodybuilding forum some member just spewed.

>And there's also the fact that they are legal
For "research use" only. Not for human consumption. If you're a burger you might still be able to be locked up but you're pretty much 100% safe anywhere else in the world.

>>15212462
This is no different to nicotine, doesn't stop them smoking though

>>15212730
>you still need to get on a pct.
Depends really, I did LGD for a cycle and didn't take any pct and a month after coming down I had even way higher test than before taking lgd lel.

Imagine how comfy that pussy is.

>>15218147
>I don’t believe my addiction is an addiction
Nice

im not addicted. I go days without . I drink it when I need it and it works. adderall is 100x better tho

>>15212462
I want to put it in

>not becoming vegan for ethical benefit to teh fluffeh animals

>>15218961
>Not realizing that the farming methods for vegan food kill a larger number of animals than factory farming meat.

>>15212462
sniff

>>15212632
That and you pass the fuck out.

>>15212875
Addy bro here.
Currently on it. I take breaks on weekends but the caffeine adds a boost. It’s great though because you don’t ever need caffeine - it’s just a boost. And the weekend tolerance reset helps massively

>>15219566
Add ephedrine, you're welcome.

Next up:
How to quit your addiction to water

7 proven facts about why water advances aging and makes you weaker in both strength and cognition, proven by scientific studies for the past 10 years

unlock your full potential by overcoming all chemical addictions and being completely self-reliant through waste recycling starting today

Just use amphetamines pussy

>>15212462
fuck off mormon

>>15212462
I'm on about 3 weeks off, cold turkey. AMA

>>15219653
Reminder that breathing air is slowing burning us.

>be /biz/ losers
>can't even take a little coffee without getting "caffeine addiction"
Bunch of losers, I tell you.

And I have to say, I feel sorry for you losers if you can't enjoy an occasional cup of gourmet home-roasted Costa Rica Tarrazu.

I wish I could enjoy coffee but it always makes me super anxious, even if I only have a little bit. Anyone else?

>>15212462
yeah, just use coke. unironically if you don't snort like a fucking nigger but use it like a medicine it's cheaper than a fucking starbucks coffee.

>>15212462
>no caffeine
also add no sugar to that list, quitting energy drinks was a pain however quitting soda felt like I was going through hell, a sweaty cranky hell

>>15212462
moar

>>15218777
Yeah that was the same for me and ostarine. In my case, I think it's cause my shbg was too high before and since ostarine tanked it, after recovery it was still probably lower than before (never got shbg baseline bloods)

On the other hand, LGD left me feeling shitty for weeks afterwards with no pct so I always run a little torem after lgd.

So I'm hoping rad will work more similarly to ostarine in terms of pct.

Everyone is different though but so long as you're getting real SARMs I haven't heard of any negative side effects. Most people, especially on Reddit are not getting real SARMs though and that's the problem with anonymous anecdotes.

>>15212597
Caffeine increases cellular autophagy in a fast. It helps reduce fat.

>>15220915
This can happen if you live a sedentary lifestyle. I used to get like that, but nowadays I'm so active that it only gives me a boost rather than anxiety.

>>15212462
name?????

>>15212462

>"jew brew"
> poltard detected

>>15220915
try bullet proof coffee (the recipe not the brand), it's a smoother form of energy imo

>>15220942
or you know you could brew coffee at home

i was at 8-12 cups and this week i've moved into the 6-8 cups region. I'm trying to maintain this for a month and then cut to 3-6 cups. coffee helped me lose weight so it's not all gew brew

>>15221474
That would explain it. I'm extremely sedentary

>>15221552
I've tried putting butter in my coffee if that's what you mean. Although I enjoy the flavor and texture more, it doesn't do much for the anxiety

Fren, I don’t even understand why, but your pick makes bepis hard. Pls delet.

>>15212462
>>15212469

>2019
>Trusting "scientists"

baka.

>>15221608
I'm not sure what causes that, that feeling of jittery anxiety. I've experienced it before but it has been awhile. Quality of the coffee perhaps or using too much grounds. Yeah bullet proof coffee has butter and MCT oil. Other things I put in it are pink himalayan salt, cinnamon, and turmeric. If I want to add protein in the mix because I'm skipping breakfast I'll add egg yolk or collagen protein powder.