/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>15201561
>im not as smart so they deserve to be treated like me

if everyone is rich noone is rich. we need the poors to exist so we can be above them.

communist scum.

>>15201561
it blows my fucking mind you think a dumb person is worth as much as a smart person, holy fucking shit go neck yourself you fucking communist

>>15201561
Sounds like the plot of Rich Dad poor Dad.

The business owners don't get taxed as much because they are hiring wagies which is what the government wants. So they reward those who capture slaves. Then rich people also do shit like write off some bullshit business, and whatever other lucrative tax cuts their Jewish chartered accountants know.

>>15201590
thats stupid, the best part of being rich is the security and healthy living. the best part of being rich is not flexing on people you literal brainlet.

>>15201599
all im saying is tax them less. a doctor making 250k should have basically no taxes, but if someone worth 100mm should be paying by the assloads

>>15201599

kek are you sure about 100% correlation of wealth to intelligence ?

>>15201561
bitch ass nigga never did anything in his life piece of shit nigger fucking commie

>>15201561
let me guess everyone should get the same amount of brea too right? fucking communist piece of shit go die

>>15201599
you rich-worshipping right-wingers will die out soon. even the alt-right has moved on past this nonsense

>>15201561
bitch ass nigga

>>15201561
Why do you hate freedom?

0 taxes to everyone I say!

>>15201630
get this brainlet: if everyone has the same amount of money no one is rich. how does this not make sense to you?

>>15201708
Why are some people such crabs in a bucket?

>>15201630
This is a common attitude but ignores the fact that there are a lot more doctors than people that make 100 million. Don't confuse wealth with yearly wage.

>>15201768
because they don't understand that lefties will tax the shit out of them to provide for lesser people

>>15201762
> if everyone has the same amount of money
Do you really think I'm saying this? stfu retard

>>15201769
true, there would need to be a good cut off, maybe 10m is when the heavy taxes start kicking in.

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Based schizo poster.

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>>15201561
This is capitalism at its finest,the rich pay most of the taxes but at a lower rate bc capitalism incentivises losers like you to create something that contributes to society like a business or providing real estate do this and you get a tax break.

Wagecucks pay the most taxes bc you have to be a retard to have a job and not create one

>>15201561
Communist

>>15201923
thank you, finally someone sees i am making sense. poor people can have high taxes, i don't care. there should no taxes on anyone making 150k-300k a year. Zero.

>>15201561
Because they're elites. Git gud.

>>15201561
In the US the rich have managed to brainwash the poor so completely that even the poor don't demand them to pay their fair share. I mean just look at this thread holy shit.

>>15201561
What would be the motivation to do anything then? Everyone would just be a janitor making 200k

>>15201561
Billionaires dont really have loyalty or patriotism. They just go places that make them the most money. So its about attracting billionaires to pay taxes in your country opposed to others. The more rich people you have in your country the more tax revenue you get. Although the top 10% have 99% of capital they pay around 40%-50% of total tax revenue collected depending on where you are. This ultimately lowers the burden on the middle class. Drive out the rich by raising their taxes and they will flee, that tax burden is passed on to the middle class. Its a bit of balancing act though.

>>15201630
If they are making 100 millions and you aggressively tax them, they will flee the country and you wont get any tax from them.

>>15202036
And what is a fair share?

>>15202090
More than the poor.

world is run by criminals
they care about themselves and (You) are just cheap workforce who is living because they need new toys and better medical treatment

>>15202106
Poor dont pay taxes, they get more benefits than they pay taxes.

>>15202106
They pay vastly more USD in taxes than the poor.

>>15202137

Yeah.....and? You disagree?

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>>15201712
lol you okay man?

>>15201561
Because money is power and nobody is believably threatening them with violence for their anti-social behavior

>>15201599
being a "clever" manipulator, schemer and liar isn't the same as being intelligent in a way that's useful or valuable to anyone else. Snakes and weasels only cause damage and corruption to society.

>>15202205
This. It doesn't even have to be a literal scam. Plenty of stupid shit that made a couple of people really rich but didn't REALLY benefit society. If you invested in McDonald's early you made a shit ton of money but basically all they accomplished was make a ton of people really fucking fat. Doesn't take a genius level of intellect to exploit people's weakness to junk food.

>>15202057
If they are making that much then likely because they already are too rich, no? Having an uncompetitive compounding effect. And so what you're saying is that the system, and currency/money, in place is misdesigned? In that they should never receive stable wealth letting them win by default now (and in the future) only because they won in the past? Surely technology could help with this? By enabling entirely new currency types tracking and manipulating literally every pemny?

>>15202169
I'm saying they already pay that, OP is complaining about what he already has: the rich paying vastly more money in taxes than the poor.

>>15202248
So, why are you not rich?

you can only be rich if someone else is relatively poor. in fact only if the majority are. if we didn't have less than them and rely on them for resources, they wouldn't be able to fuck our daughters.

>>15202268

I don't know bro, probably because I'm a student lol? What's your point?

>>15202291
If you are not rich, you probably are not as smart as you think you are.

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>>15201599
Oh brother. Here are dumbass bootlickers.
It's also HILARIOUS AS FUCK how you guys probably aren't even rich yourself which is basically like calling yourself a retard by your own logic. LMAO

Listen, faggots. All the ubber elite do is INHERIT wealth. They inherit real estate and businesses.

Just look at trump, retards. He was getting 200k a yr starting by age 3. Had one million dollars by age 8. It's actually more than that when taking inflation into account.

Ya, inheriting money requires so much brain power. Just Lol... get out of biz. We have enough retards as it is.

>>15202315
*yourselves

>>15202315
*yourselves retards

>>15202315
Nice cope.

>>15202314
So you think every smart person is rich(and every rich person is smart)? Maybe you should wake up from your fantasy and step into the real world lol.

>>15202314
Besides I don't think I'm a genius anyway, dumb take all around.

>>15202331
Now I know for sure you are not smart. You cant even read right.

>>15202341
Oh no, some literal brainlet retard on a racist anime/meme board doesn't think I'm smart. How can I ever hope to cope with this fact :D.

>>15202329
Uhh, what part was "coping", you low IQ monkey?

>>15202329
Also dumbass, you shitpost instead of attacking my 2 points.

1. Ubber rich just inherit wealth (exceptions aren't the rule)

2. You called yourself a fucking idiot by not being rich yourself, genius.

Holy shit, you are beyond stupid. Get out of biz already.

>>15202360
80% of millionaires are self made. I am young wealthy and self made.

>>15202356
Try crying.

>>1520238380
>80% of millionaires are self made
Just looked up the stat. Surprising really. With that said, it begs the question what the net worth of the self made ones are compared to the ones that inherited the money. For example, maybe those that inherited got 50mil+ when factoring in everything while the self made ones might have made 1-15 mil.

>I am young wealthy and self made
Kek

Anyways, op's point still stands. This country is shit. You're either very rich or you straight up fail and it shouldn't be that way. We might as well have a parasite as the national animal instead of an eagle. Misleading as fuck.

1. Discouraged workers (someone that wants a job, but gave up and hasn't applied in over 4 weeks) are NOT counted as unemployed.

2. People who make HARDSHIP wages ARE counted as employed.

Putting those 2 together = makes the unemployment stat look better/lower than it actually is. It is a lie that fools without critical thinking believe.

44% of 22-27 yr old college grads are underemployed (inb4 just do computer science as if everyone is capable of that. Even they have like a 24ish% underemployment rate for 22-27 yr olds: https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/college-labor-market_compare-majors.html
Think about that. NEARLY 1/4 cs graduates aged 22-27 will be underemployed (don't know how it evens out over time. Still not amazing though. It's around 34% when including all ages and all majors).

Comment too long. Will finish it with the next

>>15202383
This is for you. >>15202439

Anyways,
To finish the comment I was making off:

"78% of full time workers live paycheck to paycheck ( *LITERALLY one paycheck away from homelessness and that is basically poverty* ). *42% of americans will retire broke* (so you give up the best years of your life being someone's bitch just to retire with nothing), 57% of americans can't afford an unexpected 500 dollar bill, 50% of renters are cost burdened (spend over 30% of their income on rent. Half of those spend over 50% of their income on rent), 30% of metropolis city jobs (where most jobs are created) pay hardship wages (not enough to move out with) and 32% pay livable wages (basically poverty) which leaves 38% that are decent (I say decent because you also have to take into consideration the toxicity of work culture. Also, some jobs ONLY pay livable or up BECAUSE of the hours put in. For instance, the average american works 47 hours a week. 49% work 50 hours or more a week. Both of which inflate the wage stats into looking better than it actually is), etc.

Welcome to the "land of opportunity" (load of bullshit)

>>15202445
I am fine with helping the weak as long as it is not based on stealing from the rich.

Obviously someone who is making millions should be taxed more, only a retard would think otherwise. The problem is that the people with the money have the power to influence those decisions. That is the exact reasoning to your question. It isn't because people don't care, it is because they don't have the power. It is really quite simple.

>>15202473
How else would you expect social programs to be funded then? By taxing the working class even more? That's part of the fucking issue.

The other issue is the cost of living. Affordable housing isn't a thing for the common person (hence the stats).
There needs to be apartments that are rent to own. Say a 10 unit apartment. 214sqft each. Say the total cost of all 10 units is 300k. Make each apartment cost 30k total plus a small ROI available to the owners (so idk, say 5k more per unit). There you go. This way, people could also live off of part time instead of spending most of their lives being someone's bitch.

This shit will never happen though. This would require a society driven by helping people survive rather than maximizing profits for the elite that control this country.

>>15202473
Also "the weak"? Lol

More like the unlucky. Most people fail because that's how the system is set up, fool.

>>15202639
People fail because they are lazy and stupid.

>>15202629
You clearly live in a leftist bubble. We can make things cheaper for the poor by lowering taxes and the economy more efficient by getting rid of retarded laws and regulations, creating more jobs. Most importantly people could help those in need personally, give advice or money or a job.
Its best to teach a man to fish for himself.

It is impossible to help someone who doesnt want help. Not everyone can be saved.

>>15202639
People love blaming anything other than themselves for their situation, be it the system, luck or da jeeeew. This leads to passivity and ensures nothing changes.
Taking personal responsibility for ones life is what is needed for making it.

>>15202684
So you just ignored my fucking stats. Only stupid person here is you.

32% livable wages. 30% hardship wages.

Opportunities are FINITE, you utter brainlet. You don't understand this SIMPLE concept yet expect me to believe you're rich.. lmao. Keep larping, kiddo.

>>15201561
RFR -> game tokens -> fiat -> RFR -> repeat

>>15202684
>>15202769

You're literally just wrong though. Things like stupidity and laziness are mostly genetic and basically just based on luck. Besides, even if everyone was equally smart and driven you'd still have poor and rich people based on other differences between people. It literally is the system.

>>15202769
Retard. You fail to understand the concept of limited opportunities. Nuff said.

100% of jobs won't pay 500 fucking k a year for instance. Right? Right. Duh.

Most pay dog shit. This results in people barely being able to cover expenses therefore having no capital to invest in the first place. Also, most businesses starting off fail. Either because of a lack of sales (luck based), lack of capital, etc.

The more you talk, the more you come across as some self-rightious teenager that thinks he has it all figured out.

You come across as someone who larps about what he imagines he'll be when in his 20s.

Wake up to reality.
Again, I'll repeat myself for you, brainlet.

OPPORTUNITIES ARE ****LIMITED****

MOST will on FACT fail. High expenses + most jobs pay shit = no capital to even be able to invest.

It's not a work ethic issue, you ignorant buffoon.

>>15201561
>how does an elite get elite treatment

>>15202808
>Besides, even if everyone was equally smart and driven you'd still have poor and rich people based on other differences between people. It literally is the system.

That moron doesn't understand this BASIC concept. He thinks 100% of people can become millionaires Lmao. Fucking kids, I swear.

>>15202783
98% of wages are livable 80% are prosperity wages. Opportunities are abundant for anyone willing to think and work.

>>15202810
I live in reality, am making it and seeing many others make it.

>>15202819
>98% of wages are livable
Holy fuck, you literally ignored the statistics.

>>15202842
Keep larping, kiddo

>>15202850
Your statistics were political propaganda so I told you the true information.

>>15202819
>98% of wages are livable 80% are prosperity wages.
Lmao get a load of this brainlet. Either troll, retard, or both

>>15202850
If wages werent livable people wouldnt be alive.

>>15202859
I got my sources from various locations, but okay, retard.

Where did you get your bs stats from? Dig it from your asshole? Literally made up numbers.

I bet you are one of those people that call every fact you hate "fake news" lmao. Total fucking loser.

>>15202863
......kiddo, let me explain for your underdeveloped brain.

Hardship wages = you LITERALLY can't live on your own because you wouldn't make enough to survive. This results in people living with family/friends/strangers.

Livable wages = barely enough to survive on your own. Not enough to save significant capital.

Showing more and more that you're a teen with no real world experience.

>>15202876
I havent seen triggering like this for a long time. Beautiful. Truth hurts sometimes. You will get over it, champion.

>>15202888
Jesus, this kid loves shitposting so much.
I btfo him and all he can do is shitpost instead of arguing with facts. Lol..

>>15202888
>Truth hurts sometimes
Ya. It hurts you a lot which is why you shitpost and ignore statistics.

You lost to me. Now stay quiet before I continue to make a fool out of you in front of the biz community.

>>15202892
You wouldnt understand logic or facts if they hit you in the dick. You also use the word kid so much I think you are projecting.

>>15202906
I see you didnt even read my posts. Read them again. The answers are there.

>>15202909
>You wouldnt understand logic or facts if they hit you in the dick
Yet I'm the only one that posted actual data LMAO. Fucking dumbass.

>>15202937
You literally just posted 2 pieces of "data" which were made up.

You are such an idiot, that you didn't understand what "hardship" and "livable" wages were. I gave you definitions of those terms, and you STILL don't get it. I am not projecting, I am making an educated assumption that you're a kid because the ignorant shit you say wouldn't come from adults with life experience.

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>>15202937
Look. It's obvious you don't know the first thing about debates. You are supposed to post actual data. Some objective data. I have done this. You haven't.
Either learn how to have a somewhat solid argument with actual data to back it up, or sit the fuck down and shut your mouth.

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>>15202972
How the fuck did I get this far down & no one said TRUSTS! Common law trusts to be more specific. The really rich aren't rich at all, the trust owns everything, the trust survives in perpetuity. The trust owns everything, they own nothing. 'Own nothing control everything' one of the Rothchilds are quoted in saying. So when you see a Rothchild die with 300MM it was the literal pocket change left over!

Also they understand contract law & personhood. Which is to complicated to explain to retards that don't understand trust law.

>>15201561
It's impossible to make everyone equally rich simply because humans are not equal in capabilities and ambition. No matter what policies you attempt there will always exist a ruling class lording over the masses.
But what also inevitably happens is that a ruling class becomes so incompetent and inefficient that more more discontent accumulates in the lower classes, then the common man begins to question the fairness and legitimacy of the power distribution. Most of the time this mismanagement of the ruling class is the product of greed, arrogance and/or decadence.
Now what happens is that ambitious and competent people of the lower class use this revolutionary potential to attempt to replace the existing elite.
The mistake the communists make is that they attempt to break the cycle instead of embracing it.

>>15202972
>be in global top 5%, complain how hard it is.
Children and women bitch and complain. Men build.

For all your life experience you are still a child inside. Or a woman.

>>15203058
More like losers blame their own failings (lazy, short-term thinker) on others instead of becoming better, growing themselves

>>15203058
>No matter what policies you attempt there will always exist a ruling class lording over the masses.

Sure but it's way better for the common man to live in a social democracy like the nordic countries than it is to live in a dictatorship like North Korea or Russia. You can't really change the people but you can change the system.

>>15201561
heh you ain't seen nothing yet.
Hint: Fat juicy Rebates

>>15202057
You can't flee from the feds.
Whether to Europe or Asia

>>15202048
This is the only sane post in this thread. This place is embarrassing.

>>15203129
You absolutely can. Also, if you don’t live in a country anymore and your business isn’t based there (you can relocate it), you don’t have to pay taxes to their government.

>>15202260
You are an extremely naive, deluded commie

>>15203016
indeed i've heard british trusts are big because the the wealth in it officialy belongs to nobody, so you can ship regular profits, drug money or quite anything offshore without anybody knowing, and you can get a regular paycheck from it. as far i know

>>15203271
isnt that taxed like income?

>>15203271
Whatever you heard, you clearly don't understand! You don't understand the relationship between a trustor & trustee...or beneficiary. You are right that you don't own anything anymore, the trustee does.
>>15203287
Yes it could, but I thought we are talking about the elites!
You think trusts are just to give a payout of funds? Why would the beneficiary need money? The car they drive is owned by the trust, the house(s) they live in are owned by the trust. Want a new TV? Get the trustee to buy one.

The beneficiary only has a cash ATM type card. That only works in certain countries.
OR
As I said, they (or the trustee) understand contract law ect. They use a credit card the debt is set off.